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Saif53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by Saif53 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am

objectiveobserver53 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:16 pm
Crater Lake wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:52 am Is it just me, or are the Mufaddalies looking more and more like those with STF......socially isolated, internet amal instructions, praying at home, YouTube majlises....it’s lovely to see :wink:
After calling us YouTube dawat, they are resorting to it themselves! Did someone not say imitation is the highest form of flattery?
There's no comparison.
The Majlises are being streamed *privately*, using login credentials. This is how relays of waaz have been done since Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin s time. This is nothing new.
Keyword: Private, not Public.

Whereas TB and the Qutbi Bohras continue to operate a YouTube Dawat, on a platform which is publicly accessible.
Keyword: Public, not private.

Proggies and others sects on this platform are free to debate whether it should be private or public.

However, anyone with an iota of understanding of *true* "Fatemi" philosophy will know that esteemed Duat of the past, including Syedna Moiyed Al Shirazi and Syedna Qadi Noman have stressed that "Majalis Al Hikmah" should remain private, to a select audience and not public. This is why they were held within the Imams Palace.
Again, keywords: Private, not Public.

If anyone is imitating, then it Taher Fakhruddin that's imitating dissenters in the history of Fatemi history (eg: Ja'far) that chose to make public what was deemed to be private. They went against these Fatemi principles.

Taher Fakhruddin and his Qutbi Bohras are following their footsteps. حذو النعل بالنعل

dal-chaval-palidu
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:33 am

Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:16 pm

After calling us YouTube dawat, they are resorting to it themselves! Did someone not say imitation is the highest form of flattery?
There's no comparison.
The Majlises are being streamed *privately*, using login credentials. This is how relays of waaz have been done since Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin s time. This is nothing new.
Keyword: Private, not Public.

Whereas TB and the Qutbi Bohras continue to operate a YouTube Dawat, on a platform which is publicly accessible.
Keyword: Public, not private.

Proggies and others sects on this platform are free to debate whether it should be private or public.

However, anyone with an iota of understanding of *true* "Fatemi" philosophy will know that esteemed Duat of the past, including Syedna Moiyed Al Shirazi and Syedna Qadi Noman have stressed that "Majalis Al Hikmah" should remain private, to a select audience and not public. This is why they were held within the Imams Palace.
Again, keywords: Private, not Public.

If anyone is imitating, then it Taher Fakhruddin that's imitating dissenters in the history of Fatemi history (eg: Ja'far) that chose to make public what was deemed to be private. They went against these Fatemi principles.

Taher Fakhruddin and his Qutbi Bohras are following their footsteps. حذو النعل بالنعل
Bhai Saif53,

Can you explain how QJ bhaisaheb and your Moula gave in the court to make their case a book that said, between Imam Hussain (AS) and Imam Hassan (AS), one Imam killed the other. Please explain that

byculla
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by byculla » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:16 am

Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:16 pm

After calling us YouTube dawat, they are resorting to it themselves! Did someone not say imitation is the highest form of flattery?
There's no comparison.
The Majlises are being streamed *privately*, using login credentials. This is how relays of waaz have been done since Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin s time. This is nothing new.
Keyword: Private, not Public.

Whereas TB and the Qutbi Bohras continue to operate a YouTube Dawat, on a platform which is publicly accessible.
Keyword: Public, not private.

Proggies and others sects on this platform are free to debate whether it should be private or public.

However, anyone with an iota of understanding of *true* "Fatemi" philosophy will know that esteemed Duat of the past, including Syedna Moiyed Al Shirazi and Syedna Qadi Noman have stressed that "Majalis Al Hikmah" should remain private, to a select audience and not public. This is why they were held within the Imams Palace.
Again, keywords: Private, not Public.

If anyone is imitating, then it Taher Fakhruddin that's imitating dissenters in the history of Fatemi history (eg: Ja'far) that chose to make public what was deemed to be private. They went against these Fatemi principles.

Taher Fakhruddin and his Qutbi Bohras are following their footsteps. حذو النعل بالنعل
In FD All Hakeekat and Taweel ilm is NOT on youtube platform - but its Privately given.

Youtube is only one of the several means of disseminating knowledge by Fatemi dawat. Several sabaks are privately given.

MS waaz in practice when played in most bohra masjids (esp in ashara) are loud enough to be heard by outsiders and bystanders anyways - its not truly private as you retort.

ajamali
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:53 am

Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:16 pm

After calling us YouTube dawat, they are resorting to it themselves! Did someone not say imitation is the highest form of flattery?
There's no comparison.
The Majlises are being streamed *privately*, using login credentials. This is how relays of waaz have been done since Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin s time. This is nothing new.
Keyword: Private, not Public.

Whereas TB and the Qutbi Bohras continue to operate a YouTube Dawat, on a platform which is publicly accessible.
Keyword: Public, not private.

Proggies and others sects on this platform are free to debate whether it should be private or public.

However, anyone with an iota of understanding of *true* "Fatemi" philosophy will know that esteemed Duat of the past, including Syedna Moiyed Al Shirazi and Syedna Qadi Noman have stressed that "Majalis Al Hikmah" should remain private, to a select audience and not public. This is why they were held within the Imams Palace.
Again, keywords: Private, not Public.

If anyone is imitating, then it Taher Fakhruddin that's imitating dissenters in the history of Fatemi history (eg: Ja'far) that chose to make public what was deemed to be private. They went against these Fatemi principles.

Taher Fakhruddin and his Qutbi Bohras are following their footsteps. حذو النعل بالنعل
I think you are just jealous that they get their message across for free whereas you dummies have spent much of the people’s money on CC TV. I think you are also jealous that people like us watch the Hikmah series and forward them and MS followers draw succor from it and see STF’s wisdom. If the feedback I receive is anything to go by, it is very well received among your jamaat members indeed. All your smear campaigns against STF and SKQ are not working. Some people will always be drawn to messages of truth and wisdom. They also love his guts to say what he has to say publicly and that he does not need to hide behind passwords.

I think your time would be better spent Answering exactly how you pray Takarrub? Did Sadiq inam do nass on Moosa Qasim and then on Masur Imam after Ismail imam’s passing? Why is your moronic Moula claim that in court? How desperate is he exactly to prove that nass can be changed? Why was your moronic Moula encouraging People to gather in groups in some people’s homes even after the pandemic was raging? Did he not get Taaeed?

UnhappyBohra
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:00 am

ajamali wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:53 am Did he not get Taaeed?
I think he was receiving Taaeed from the same source as our bumbling President......

BTW you are spot on with your comment about STF’s courage. He speaks the truth and is not afraid who hears it. People like Fake53 can make up what they want about Fatemi traditions. But higher values of truth and courage always prevail. Truth and wisdom is not for a few. It is for everyone. What’s so secret about saying that with the zikr of Allah comes peace?

Why should these things be said behind palace walls? Muffy's bhashan cannot be relayed in real-time because his handlers can never be sure when he will put his foot in his mouth. That is the reason he needs to hide his bhashans from those who would spot his absurdities right away.
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RedBox
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by RedBox » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:13 am

ARAZ FOR IMAMAT NAMAZ AT HOME.

You can do Araz for Raza of Imamat Namaz at Home. Only for your Family Members who are Residing at Your Home.

Register and do Araz to receive the Azeem Barakat to perform Imamat Namaz.

Note: Only family members residing at your home should be present during namaz.
Register on ITS52.COM

UnhappyBohra
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Re: Coronavirus

#157

Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:15 am

RedBox wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:13 am ARAZ FOR IMAMAT NAMAZ AT HOME.

You can do Araz for Raza of Imamat Namaz at Home. Only for your Family Members who are Residing at Your Home.

Register and do Araz to receive the Azeem Barakat to perform Imamat Namaz.

Note: Only family members residing at your home should be present during namaz.
Register on ITS52.COM
Haha - lessons learned I see. It will not heal the sick nor bring back the dead.

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:51 am

Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am

However, anyone with an iota of understanding of *true* "Fatemi" philosophy
Heh heh anyone with an iota of knowledge of Fatemi philosophy would know who received nass from Sadiq imam and how it was passed on :D

Pleeeaaase, your credibility of anything Fatemi is less than zero.

Adam
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Re: Coronavirus

#159

Unread post by Adam » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:43 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:33 am Bhai Saif53,
Can you explain how QJ bhaisaheb and your Moula gave in the court to make their case a book that said, between Imam Hussain (AS) and Imam Hassan (AS), one Imam killed the other. Please explain that
This has been misquoted.
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Adam
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by Adam » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:46 pm

objectiveobserver53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:51 am Heh heh anyone with an iota of knowledge of Fatemi philosophy would know who received nass from Sadiq imam and how it was passed on :D
Pleeeaaase, your credibility of anything Fatemi is less than zero.
Simple. From Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq AS to Imam Ismail AS.
If you've heard otherwise, please cite an authentic reference. Exact quotes and sentences.
Don't rely on what's been fed to you by the Qutbis. They've been proven to be habitual liars, time and time again.

Adam
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Re: Coronavirus

#161

Unread post by Adam » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:47 pm

This has been misquoted.

Mkenya
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Re: Coronavirus

#162

Unread post by Mkenya » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:45 pm

Why the h%$* hijack the topic and use it to fan your obsession with raza, imams, sabaq, etc. Please drain away if you have nothing to enlighten people on this topic.

malgudidays
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by malgudidays » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:49 pm

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SBM
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:16 pm

malgudidays wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:49 pm The Show Must Go On
VN from Karachi Amil Saheb.ogg
Just do the Salaam to these Khidmatguzars and then reveal that you are Covid-19 positive and you are supposed to be in isolation but for Moula's Khushi and as per Aamil's saheb's farman, you welcomed them in the house and then tell them that you will be informing the health department

ajamali
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:23 pm

Adam wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:46 pm
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:51 am Heh heh anyone with an iota of knowledge of Fatemi philosophy would know who received nass from Sadiq imam and how it was passed on :D
Pleeeaaase, your credibility of anything Fatemi is less than zero.
Simple. From Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq AS to Imam Ismail AS.
If you've heard otherwise, please cite an authentic reference. Exact quotes and sentences.
Don't rely on what's been fed to you by the Qutbis. They've been proven to be habitual liars, time and time again.
Hahaha. This did not come to us from the “Qutbis” but rather from friends who were present in the court. Your side only tried to retract it the next day. It only took them a Day to realize what a boo boo they had made. Apparently MS forgot to teach his dear son taqarrub. Or told him it would be OK to say whatever was expedient (smells of desperation!)

Anyway the judge did not allow them to retract their assertion because they had tried really really hard to prove that point the previous day. So they could not be simply allowed to retract their assertions.

So Adam you are in grave disagreement with your Moula’s son and your Moula - assuming nothing happens without his raza... And according to court records, not only are you not Bohras, you are not even Ismailis!

You will have your quotes when the court transcripts are made public. The funny thing is that QE was sitting right there and he did not protest either as Chagla was repeatedly encouraged to insist that nass was done on Musa Qasim. And if you want exact quotes should you not demand transparency about what is happening in court from your bosses instead of coming here and begging us for details.

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:01 pm

Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am

There's no comparison
Yes damn right. There is no comparison between STF’s bayans and Muffy brayans. No comparison between your childish Sabaq’s and STF’s comprehensive teachings and command over Quran and texts.
Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am
The Majlises are being streamed *privately*,
Forgive me for not fainting in admiration :roll:
It is the nature of untruth to be whispered secretly. It is stupidity that needs to be guarded, especially when it threatens to expose those in power. Truth can be declared openly and without fear as we have seen STF do.

Saif53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by Saif53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:30 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:33 am
Bhai Saif53,
Can you explain how QJ bhaisaheb and your Moula gave in the court to make their case a book that said, between Imam Hussain (AS) and Imam Hassan (AS), one Imam killed the other. Please explain that
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@dal-chaval-palidu
Here you go:
Expert Witness Cross Examination
https://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... ation.html
I'll post it on the case thread as well.

Saif53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by Saif53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:35 am

objectiveobserver53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:01 pm
Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am There's no comparison
Yes damn right. There is no comparison between STF’s bayans and Muffy brayans. No comparison between your childish Sabaq’s and STF’s comprehensive teachings and command over Quran and texts.
Saif53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am The Majlises are being streamed *privately*,
Forgive me for not fainting in admiration :roll:
It is the nature of untruth to be whispered secretly. It is stupidity that needs to be guarded, especially when it threatens to expose those in power. Truth can be declared openly and without fear as we have seen STF do.
The comparison was drawn by you. Not to the speaker, but to imitation of "online" Majlises. It was clarified that there is no comparison.
One is a private one, one is public.
It is the nature of untruth to be whispered secretly. It is stupidity that needs to be guarded
Well, that's not Fatemi philosophy. It's the opposite actually. Every Fatemi text mentions that knowledge should be preserved, protected and revered, like a jewel, not made public. You'd know this, if you actually knew anything about Fatemi/Dawoodi Bohra Philosophy. It's obvious you don't.

zinger
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:54 am

@SBM
@Ajamali
@Crater Lake

Came on after a few day again and saw your posts.

Glad to see that you guys are all safe.

Work here too, is going on in full swing. WFH rockstars is what our office calls us :D

Anyways, stay safe, stay healthy and

@SBM - Keep up the good fight

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Coronavirus

#170

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:44 am

Saif53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:35 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:01 pm
Yes damn right. There is no comparison between STF’s bayans and Muffy brayans. No comparison between your childish Sabaq’s and STF’s comprehensive teachings and command over Quran and texts.

Forgive me for not fainting in admiration :roll:
It is the nature of untruth to be whispered secretly. It is stupidity that needs to be guarded, especially when it threatens to expose those in power. Truth can be declared openly and without fear as we have seen STF do.
The comparison was drawn by you. Not to the speaker, but to imitation of "online" Majlises. It was clarified that there is no comparison.
One is a private one, one is public.
It is the nature of untruth to be whispered secretly. It is stupidity that needs to be guarded
Well, that's not Fatemi philosophy. It's the opposite actually. Every Fatemi text mentions that knowledge should be preserved, protected and revered, like a jewel, not made public. You'd know this, if you actually knew anything about Fatemi/Dawoodi Bohra Philosophy. It's obvious you don't.
It is very clear it is your interpretation of Fatemi philosophy twisted to suit your current situation where your leader is a fool and you cannot make public his stupid speeches. We always received Burhanuddin Moula’s waaz clips on WhatsApp, the ikhtebaasat were widely available etc etc. In fact initially you guys were happily uploading stuff on YouTube. It’s only when people started mocking his senseless rants that you began to hide everything. Sorry Fake53 aka the perv Adam - not convinced. I am quite convinced that if your leader had anything worthwhile to say, you’d be sending clips of his speeches on WhatsApp.

SBM
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:23 am

Zinger
Life has to be tough in India, I speak to my family almost daily and it is not easy to be cooped up in side the house. Well all of you are in our prayers and May Allaha make it easy on all of us and keep us safe from his Azaab.

Saif53
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Re: Coronavirus

#172

Unread post by Saif53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:57 am

objectiveobserver53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:44 am It is very clear it is your interpretation of Fatemi philosophy twisted to suit your current situation where your leader is a fool and you cannot make public his stupid speeches. We always received Burhanuddin Moula’s waaz clips on WhatsApp, the ikhtebaasat were widely available etc etc. In fact initially you guys were happily uploading stuff on YouTube. It’s only when people started mocking his senseless rants that you began to hide everything. Sorry Fake53 aka the perv Adam - not convinced. I am quite convinced that if your leader had anything worthwhile to say, you’d be sending clips of his speeches on WhatsApp.
Suite your self and imagine that Dawat esoteric texts, Majalis al Moiyediyah etc don't instruct people to keep these texts private.
Stick your head in the sand.

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:25 pm

Saif53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:57 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:44 am It is very clear it is your interpretation of Fatemi philosophy twisted to suit your current situation where your leader is a fool and you cannot make public his stupid speeches. We always received Burhanuddin Moula’s waaz clips on WhatsApp, the ikhtebaasat were widely available etc etc. In fact initially you guys were happily uploading stuff on YouTube. It’s only when people started mocking his senseless rants that you began to hide everything. Sorry Fake53 aka the perv Adam - not convinced. I am quite convinced that if your leader had anything worthwhile to say, you’d be sending clips of his speeches on WhatsApp.
Suite your self and imagine that Dawat esoteric texts, Majalis al Moiyediyah etc don't instruct people to keep these texts private.
Stick your head in the sand.
I'd suggest you don't let your imagination take flight while interpreting philosophy. what you are saying does not pass the common sense smell tests. If there is knowledge that benefits humanity, surely it must be shared. Only those who wish to benefit from it by twisting it to fit their agenda would want to keep it a secret.

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:54 pm

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zinger
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:59 pm

SBM wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:23 am Zinger
Life has to be tough in India, I speak to my family almost daily and it is not easy to be cooped up in side the house. Well all of you are in our prayers and May Allaha make it easy on all of us and keep us safe from his Azaab.
Thank you SBM Bhai, the US is in our prayers too... 3400 deaths in the last 24 hours and Trump says the worse is behind us :roll:

zinger
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:04 am

objectiveobserver53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:54 pm F8D938BB-4C0B-43D5-A7B1-6ED2C5C96107.jpeg
Blessed is the hand that giveth

gulam_parinda
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by gulam_parinda » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:08 am

zinger wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:04 am
objectiveobserver53 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:54 pm F8D938BB-4C0B-43D5-A7B1-6ED2C5C96107.jpeg
Blessed is the hand that giveth
गुना में बोहरा समाज के दो भाइयों ने 25 बीघे गेहूं की फसल दान की, कोरोना संकट में जरूरतमंदों के लिए मददगार बने
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RedBox
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Re: Coronavirus

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Unread post by RedBox » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:19 pm

nothing to do with corono but this is a good 12 mins spent to know some islamic history



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b87XCSUYRWg