Khums on Stimulus Checks

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SBM
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Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by SBM » Tue May 19, 2020 5:29 am

I know Kothari Mafia does visit this forum, would not be surprised if they have a full time monitor
So here is the suggestion to them for their lost revenue
Every US Citizen has received $ 1200.00 stimulus check and every Abde/ Amte is required to pay 20% Khums on this amount and since Khums only belongs to Dai, they have gold pot since they already have a complete list of US Abdes/Amtes ( One has to declare their citizenship when registering for ITS)
So may be they can send out the farman and implement collection on this extra ordinary income.
no commission needed for this free advice :D :D :D :D

zinger
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by zinger » Tue May 19, 2020 6:21 am

SBM wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 5:29 am I know Kothari Mafia does visit this forum, would not be surprised if they have a full time monitor
So here is the suggestion to them for their lost revenue
Every US Citizen has received $ 1200.00 stimulus check and every Abde/ Amte is required to pay 20% Khums on this amount and since Khums only belongs to Dai, they have gold pot since they already have a complete list of US Abdes/Amtes ( One has to declare their citizenship when registering for ITS)
So may be they can send out the farman and implement collection on this extra ordinary income.
no commission needed for this free advice :D :D :D :D
Are you sure you are not a monitor? why are you putting these ideas in their heads? you want to create a Frankenstien monster or something here?

SBM
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by SBM » Tue May 19, 2020 9:41 am

Zinger
This is the small price to pay for the Sharaf of being Abde or Amte--Donot you agree :) :lol:

Mkenya
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by Mkenya » Thu May 21, 2020 5:41 pm

SMB: Be prepared for carloads of ayyans with horns blaring circling your house. They will be bringing thaal-loads of the best of Bohri cuisine.
And the reason: you showed the thekedars of US jamaats that you suffer their pain. Imagine, with a ban on communal gathering during Ramzan they are suffering from a huge shortage of funds from captive audience. And you told them not to despair. There is a huge pool of dollars from which they can syphon to their hearts' wish. I can hear them: "Aa dollars tamne to governmente muft aapa che. Motu dil kari ne badhu araj kari do. Maula ghana kushi thase."

zinger
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by zinger » Fri May 22, 2020 6:02 am

Mkenya wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 5:41 pm SMB: Be prepared for carloads of ayyans with horns blaring circling your house. They will be bringing thaal-loads of the best of Bohri cuisine.
And the reason: you showed the thekedars of US jamaats that you suffer their pain. Imagine, with a ban on communal gathering during Ramzan they are suffering from a huge shortage of funds from captive audience. And you told them not to despair. There is a huge pool of dollars from which they can syphon to their hearts' wish. I can hear them: "Aa dollars tamne to governmente muft aapa che. Motu dil kari ne badhu araj kari do. Maula ghana kushi thase."
:lol: :lol: :lol:

zinger
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by zinger » Fri May 22, 2020 6:03 am

SBM wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 9:41 am Zinger
This is the small price to pay for the Sharaf of being Abde or Amte--Donot you agree :) :lol:
you have really done it now for the poor mumineen of US :lol:

Qadir
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by Qadir » Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am

Khums is a mandatory payment on any and all income to the wali of zaman. During zuhoor zaman, Waliul Hind used to collect khums. Duat mutlaqeen have a long tradition to not enforce collection of khums too much.
Khums is to be used by Imam or dai in whatever way they want to. It doesn't necessarily be spent in people's welfare.
So, what duat mutlaqeen have done instead is make other payments mandatory such as sabeel (for upkeep of masajids), niyaz (food in jumaat) and qardan Hasanat.
Now while khums has a fixed percentage, these other payments are not fixed and can be changed as per your wish. If you want to pay more, you can. If you want to pay less, you can negotiate. Also not paying these is not a gunah unlike khums

juzer esmail
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by juzer esmail » Fri May 22, 2020 12:46 pm

Qadir wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am Khums is a mandatory payment on any and all income to the wali of zaman. During zuhoor zaman, Waliul Hind used to collect khums. Duat mutlaqeen have a long tradition to not enforce collection of khums too much.
Khums is to be used by Imam or dai in whatever way they want to. It doesn't necessarily be spent in people's welfare.
So, what duat mutlaqeen have done instead is make other payments mandatory such as sabeel (for upkeep of masajids), niyaz (food in jumaat) and qardan Hasanat.
Now while khums has a fixed percentage, these other payments are not fixed and can be changed as per your wish. If you want to pay more, you can. If you want to pay less, you can negotiate. Also not paying these is not a gunah unlike khums
"Khums is mandatory on any and all income"
Please come again, I didn't get you!

SBM
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Re: Khums on Stimulus Checks

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Unread post by SBM » Fri May 22, 2020 3:52 pm

Khums is a mandatory payment on any and all income
Br Qadir
In previous post I did say Khums (which is mostly Shia practice) is applicable only on the extraordinary gain on your assets and NOT ALL INCOME.
Zakat is mandatory on any and all income
You even agree that you used wrong words and corrected yourself and once again you post the same.
I understand you like to help your DAI because he is suffering financially but please DONOT spread wrong information