Where is Maula?

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UnhappyBohra
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:15 pm

SBM wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:14 pm Wow
How much vile you have-
I thought STF followers are supposed to be compassionate and but again it is same OLD same OLD.
While SMS talks about his BAWAJI SAHEB-STF talked about his Bawaji saheb and how he came to do Khidmat of SKQ and SMB in last days of their life --nothing different- Many people do that except they do not have air-condition houses with many servants around
We do not need to be compassionate to oppressors. He has held us hostage with his threats against our families.

Plus, if he is vacationing somewhere he certainly does not need our compassion. If he is lying somewhere with a ventilator tube down his throat, He is certainly suffering far less than he made his own father suffer. As someone said earlier, karma catches up to everyone.

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:34 pm

@SBM

Imam is Imam he is unquestionable just like we as Muslim dont question on Quran and Muhammed. Rest every thing is questionable.

Now if you have doubts about Imam as well then go and study more and try some thing else.

SBM
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:43 pm

So if Imam is Imam and he in UNQUESTIONABLE (first of all where does it say in Quran) then why do you question his successor DAI,
Do you believe DAI is appointed by IMAM??? or at least before Judge Gutam Patel decides ( question is if both STF and SMS followers accept his ruling and if the winner accept Judge Patel's ruling then the looser can claim victory by saying their DAI is appointed by HAQ NA IMAM and not by an outsider)

abde53
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by abde53 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:48 pm

All Bhai and Behno
why progressive and followers of Taher Saifudin care where our Moula is? we the true mumineen of Haq na Dai do not question so why you all have jalan, do you miss our shafiq Moula Mansure ul Yemen Muffadal Moula's deedar because you do not like Taher Saifuddin's deedar :mrgreen: and I agree Taher Saifuddin does not have that kind of shaan and shaukat what our Moula Muffadal has

Mkenya
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Mkenya » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:50 pm

Let me assure you that he is alive and well. Elsewhere on this forum there are posts of Jamea students phoning Mumins inquiring about displaying 'Ya Hussein' flags, doing 1000 'Ya Hussain' tasbi, etc. Here in our city Mumins are told to wear topi and women to don rida when they come to collect thaali. His micromanagement nullifies all speculations.

Mkenya
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Unread post by Mkenya » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:55 pm

abde53: I thought he was 'HIND, SINDH ANE YEMEN NA DAI"

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:19 pm

SBM wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:43 pm So if Imam is Imam and he in UNQUESTIONABLE (first of all where does it say in Quran) then why do you question his successor DAI,
Do you believe DAI is appointed by IMAM??? or at least before Judge Gutam Patel decides ( question is if both STF and SMS followers accept his ruling and if the winner accept Judge Patel's ruling then the looser can claim victory by saying their DAI is appointed by HAQ NA IMAM and not by an outsider)

You are clueless about Imamat. So please dont try to deviate the topic. Imam will appear when he wants to. Here we are discussing dai.

Imam and dai are different positions and bhakt tried to drag Imam into it just to deviate the topic.

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:24 pm

Most dangereous of bohra community are those who understands nothing about namaz quran hadith or any such things. But always remains excited about zyafat kadambosi and relays. These stupid type of people are worst of community.

For them showing such interest makes them more religious than others. Though they have no clue about Islam at all.

SBM
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:48 pm

You are clueless about Imamat.
So Mr Shabab SCHOLAR-- why donot you educate all uneducated people here instead of just posting irrelevant hyperbole

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:44 pm

SBM wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:48 pm
You are clueless about Imamat.
So Mr Shabab SCHOLAR-- why donot you educate all uneducated people here instead of just posting irrelevant hyperbole
You are getting tiresome SBM....... like a broken record.

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:10 pm

SBM wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:48 pm
You are clueless about Imamat.
So Mr Shabab SCHOLAR-- why donot you educate all uneducated people here instead of just posting irrelevant hyperbole
You learnt nothing so far and there is a slim chance you will learn any thing with this kind of attitude. Any ways dont divert the topic.

juzer esmail
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by juzer esmail » Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:51 am

Ashara ke ahem dino mei DAI ki zabaan se 1 lafz bhi live nahi suna aur na hi unke live didaar naseeb huwe. Purani recordings jo pehle hi suni hui hoti hai wo hi dikhai/sunai gai. Ye to kuchh aisa mahol ban raha hai ki DAI parde ho gaye hai. Dai Khandala mei thei. Agar chahte to kam se kam ek baar mumino ko online live kalaam suna sakte thei. Eid ul Fitra ke din to bada chalange de diya tha ki "Aashura ma jem jamey thaata thaa em jamey thaasu, koi ni taqat nathi ke roki sakey, virus ni pan taqat nathi" oos chalange ka kya huwa BHAKTO ? Dadaji ki, Bawaji ki aur apni khud ki poorani records chalwa di aur bhakts khush ! Hadd to ye ho gai ki SASUR JI ki bhi recording chalwa di. BHAKTS oos mei bhi khush !Bhakto, tumnei inn 9 dino mei har roz Syedna Taher Saifuddin ke audios mei kitni baar unki zabani apne bete, apne mansus Syedna Burhanuddin ka naam lete huwe, unki zikar karte huwe suna ? Maine to taqreeban har bayaan mei suna. Lekin mai taras gaya Syedna Burhanuddin ki zabaani apne bete ka naam ya zikar sunne ko. Kitni koshishe ki hogi kasre aali aur jamea walo ne aisa koi bayaan talaash karne ki jisme Bete Mufaddal ka zikar ho par nahi dhundh paaye !!!Ek sawal uthta hai zehan mei................Jab Ashara mei laakho mumin jinhe DAI maante hai unke poorane bayaan sunkar maatam kar rahe thei tab DAI khud kya kar rahe hoge ? Kya apne hi poorane bayan sunkar maatam kar rahe hoge ? Kya Imamuzzaman ne unhe aisa karne ki ijazat di hogi ?

Sheikh_Sajjad_Husain
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Sheikh_Sajjad_Husain » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:21 am

juzer esmail wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:51 am Ashara ke ahem dino mei DAI ki zabaan se 1 lafz bhi live nahi suna aur na hi unke live didaar naseeb huwe. Purani recordings jo pehle hi suni hui hoti hai wo hi dikhai/sunai gai. Ye to kuchh aisa mahol ban raha hai ki DAI parde ho gaye hai. Dai Khandala mei thei. Agar chahte to kam se kam ek baar mumino ko online live kalaam suna sakte thei. Eid ul Fitra ke din to bada chalange de diya tha ki "Aashura ma jem jamey thaata thaa em jamey thaasu, koi ni taqat nathi ke roki sakey, virus ni pan taqat nathi" oos chalange ka kya huwa BHAKTO ? Dadaji ki, Bawaji ki aur apni khud ki poorani records chalwa di aur bhakts khush ! Hadd to ye ho gai ki SASUR JI ki bhi recording chalwa di. BHAKTS oos mei bhi khush !Bhakto, tumnei inn 9 dino mei har roz Syedna Taher Saifuddin ke audios mei kitni baar unki zabani apne bete, apne mansus Syedna Burhanuddin ka naam lete huwe, unki zikar karte huwe suna ? Maine to taqreeban har bayaan mei suna. Lekin mai taras gaya Syedna Burhanuddin ki zabaani apne bete ka naam ya zikar sunne ko. Kitni koshishe ki hogi kasre aali aur jamea walo ne aisa koi bayaan talaash karne ki jisme Bete Mufaddal ka zikar ho par nahi dhundh paaye !!!Ek sawal uthta hai zehan mei................Jab Ashara mei laakho mumin jinhe DAI maante hai unke poorane bayaan sunkar maatam kar rahe thei tab DAI khud kya kar rahe hoge ? Kya apne hi poorane bayan sunkar maatam kar rahe hoge ? Kya Imamuzzaman ne unhe aisa karne ki ijazat di hogi ?
STS Co.. and its offshoots ka Imam(as) kya lena dena... ye toh apne aap ko Imam declare karni ki tayyari main lagey hue hai..

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:21 am

Jamea students really worked hard this time. Whole Muharram was on their shoulders.

Especially young kids between 15 to 25

yfm
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by yfm » Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:48 pm

don't you have something recent to report?

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:17 am

Sheikh_Sajjad_Husain wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:21 am
juzer esmail wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:51 am Ashara ke ahem dino mei DAI ki zabaan se 1 lafz bhi live nahi suna aur na hi unke live didaar naseeb huwe. Purani recordings jo pehle hi suni hui hoti hai wo hi dikhai/sunai gai. Ye to kuchh aisa mahol ban raha hai ki DAI parde ho gaye hai. Dai Khandala mei thei. Agar chahte to kam se kam ek baar mumino ko online live kalaam suna sakte thei. Eid ul Fitra ke din to bada chalange de diya tha ki "Aashura ma jem jamey thaata thaa em jamey thaasu, koi ni taqat nathi ke roki sakey, virus ni pan taqat nathi" oos chalange ka kya huwa BHAKTO ? Dadaji ki, Bawaji ki aur apni khud ki poorani records chalwa di aur bhakts khush ! Hadd to ye ho gai ki SASUR JI ki bhi recording chalwa di. BHAKTS oos mei bhi khush !Bhakto, tumnei inn 9 dino mei har roz Syedna Taher Saifuddin ke audios mei kitni baar unki zabani apne bete, apne mansus Syedna Burhanuddin ka naam lete huwe, unki zikar karte huwe suna ? Maine to taqreeban har bayaan mei suna. Lekin mai taras gaya Syedna Burhanuddin ki zabaani apne bete ka naam ya zikar sunne ko. Kitni koshishe ki hogi kasre aali aur jamea walo ne aisa koi bayaan talaash karne ki jisme Bete Mufaddal ka zikar ho par nahi dhundh paaye !!!Ek sawal uthta hai zehan mei................Jab Ashara mei laakho mumin jinhe DAI maante hai unke poorane bayaan sunkar maatam kar rahe thei tab DAI khud kya kar rahe hoge ? Kya apne hi poorane bayan sunkar maatam kar rahe hoge ? Kya Imamuzzaman ne unhe aisa karne ki ijazat di hogi ?
STS Co.. and its offshoots ka Imam(as) kya lena dena... ye toh apne aap ko Imam declare karni ki tayyari main lagey hue hai..
check my private message pls

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:49 pm

Juzer Esmail Bhai
Your post is making rounds on Whatsup group globally, Watch out for Kothari Mafia looking for you :D :D

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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:04 pm

SBM wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:48 pm
You are clueless about Imamat.
So Mr Shabab SCHOLAR-- why donot you educate all uneducated people here instead of just posting irrelevant hyperbole

Aha a juicy topic. What do Bohra doctrine mean about Imamate. Imam is a title we have created. It means different things to different sects.

Do you really know when the concept of immamate actually started ?

Did imam Ali AS as Shia know him by really ever call himself ....I am your imam or even Imam Hussein AS ever claim he was the Imam of his time ?

Find out the real truth and you will be surprised.

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:03 pm

The very declaration of Imamat was in gadir.

Bohra spring
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Shabab wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:03 pm The very declaration of Imamat was in gadir.
Were you there to witness it ?

Did the use the words Imam ?

SBM
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:30 pm

Welcome back Br Bohra Spring- one name I forgot to include in my other post

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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:59 pm

Bro SBM no worries. I am intrigued by the youthfulness of Shabab and his knowledge of facts.

I will excuse them on fact their beliefs are based on their mums or madrassa teacher's recitations
Let's get the debate started. Inshallah battle of minds begin let haq and batil be placed forward

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:16 am

Bohra spring wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Shabab wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:03 pm The very declaration of Imamat was in gadir.
Were you there to witness it ?

Did the use the words Imam ?
word Imam is mention in Quran?

if you dont have copy of Quran in your home let me know, I will send you one.

Bohra spring
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:39 am

I will repeat where in Quran it is mentioned that the 21 imams Bohra follow are described.

Ali AS being the successor is not in the Quran. It is implied contextually. There is not literal statement. Ghadeer is a Sunnah narrative.

If you have a verse that states there will be 21 Imams give the reference on this blog.

I am not disputing Ali AS eligibility for being successor . I am a Shia of Ali AS . But also know the 3 Khlifa have contributed immensly to spreading the Prophet SAW mission in his life and after his death. Ali AS was very close relationship to Abubakr RA and Umar RA.

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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by whereisms » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:25 pm


objectiveobserver53
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:05 am

whereisms wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:25 pm https://whereis.ms
He is strapped upright to a chair somewhere and drugged up to his eyeballs...if there is any justice in this world....

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:11 am

Bohra spring wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:39 am I will repeat where in Quran it is mentioned that the 21 imams Bohra follow are described.

Ali AS being the successor is not in the Quran. It is implied contextually. There is not literal statement. Ghadeer is a Sunnah narrative.

If you have a verse that states there will be 21 Imams give the reference on this blog.

I am not disputing Ali AS eligibility for being successor . I am a Shia of Ali AS . But also know the 3 Khlifa have contributed immensly to spreading the Prophet SAW mission in his life and after his death. Ali AS was very close relationship to Abubakr RA and Umar RA.
"Man Kunto Maula Fa haza Ali-un Maula"

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:13 pm

' House Arrest'.

yfm
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by yfm » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:15 pm

Inhouse fighting lanatullah. Pay back!

Shabab
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Re: Where is Maula?

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Unread post by Shabab » Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:58 am

I think the logic behind his absense is that he is running from fat belly millionaries bohras who might come to ask for some money due to losses in covid lockdown. Big parties of UK UAE Kuwait must have faced big losses.

So he better preferred to remain gayab till then. Wallah o alam