21 IMAMS AND THERE BURIED PLACE

[allush]

hello my brother and sisters,
i have one topic regarding 21 imams and there buried place,
because in net i found some imam information correctly and many imams still confusing me.
please help me out to know exactly the buried place of all imams except for 21.
below i find some information of imams and i add buried place also, please if i am wrong let me know and correct me.
thank you
1. Hasan ibn Ali - 625-670 (Imam - 660-670) SAUDI ARABIA MEDINA AL-BAQI

2. Husain ibn Ali - 626-680 (Imam -670-680 ) KARBALA IRAQ


3. Ali ibn Husain -659-712 (Imam-680-712)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA

4. Mohd. ul Bakir ibn Ali -676-743 (Imam 712-743)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA


5. Jafer us Sadiq ibn Mohd ul Bakir 702-765 (Imam- 743-765)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA

6. Ismail ibn Jafer 719/722-775 (Imam 765-775)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA


7. Mohammad ibn Ismail 740-813 (Imam 775-813)SALAMIYA SYRIA

8. Abdullah ibn Mohammad (Ahmed al wafi)766-829 (Imam 813-829)SALAMIYA SYRIA


9. Ahmed ibn Abdullah (Mohammad al taqi)790‐840 (Imam 829‐840)SALAMIA SYRIA


10. Husain ibn Ahmed (Abdullah) (Imam 840‐909) ASKAR SYRIA



11. Abdullah Al Mehdi ibn Husain (Abū Muḥammad ˤAbdu l-Lāh (ˤUbaydu l-Lāh) al-Mahdī bi'llāh) (909-934)MAHDIYA IS IN TUNISIA


12. Mohammed ul Qaim ibn Abdullah (Abū l-Qāsim Muḥammad al-Qā'im bi-Amr Allāh) (934-946) mahdiya tunisiya

13. Ismail Al Mansoor ibn Mohammed(Abū Ṭāhir Ismā'il al-Manṣūr bi-llāh )(946-953)mahdiya tunisiya


14. Maad‐nil Muiz ibn Ismail Al Mansoor(Abū Tamīm Ma'add al-Mu'izz li-Dīn Allāh )(953-975)cairo egypt

15. Nizare nil Aziz ibn Moad‐al Moiz (Abū Manṣūr Nizār al-'Azīz bi-llāh )(975-996)cairo egypt


16. Husainil Hakim ibn Nizare‐al Aziz (Abū 'Alī al-Manṣūr al-Ḥākim bi-Amr Allāh) (996-1021)mokattam egypt

17. Ali‐al Zahir ibn Husain‐al Hakim (Abū'l-Ḥasan 'Alī al-Ẓāhir li-I'zāz Dīn Allāh)(1021-1036)

18. Maad‐al Mustansir ibn Ali ai Zahir(Abū Tamīm Ma'add al-Mustanṣir bi-llāh )(1036‐1094)cairo egypt

19. Ahmed al Mustali ibn Maadenil Mustansir (al-Musta'lī bi-llāh )(1094‐1101)cairo egypt


20. Mansuril Amir ibn Ahmed Al mustai( al-Āmir bi-Aḥkām Allāh) (1101-1130) cairo egypt

21. Tayyeb ibn Aamir

[Qadir]

Kafan and dafan of Imam is different from normal humans. Haqiqat bayan so cannot say here. Apart from those you mentioned are daran in misr, many more imams are dafan behind the Bab al mukhallefa next to Imam Hussain's Raas Mubarak Zari in Cairo, Egypt.

[awakenedsoul]

Kafan and dafan of Imam is different from normal humans. Haqiqat bayan so cannot say here.

Huh? typical abde answer, attribute every aspect of our faith to taweel and haqiqat

[awakenedsoul]

hello my brother and sisters,
i have one topic regarding 21 imams and there buried place,
because in net i found some imam information correctly and many imams still confusing me.
please help me out to know exactly the buried place of all imams except for 21.
below i find some information of imams and i add buried place also, please if i am wrong let me know and correct me.
thank you
1. Hasan ibn Ali - 625-670 (Imam - 660-670) SAUDI ARABIA MEDINA AL-BAQI

2. Husain ibn Ali - 626-680 (Imam -670-680 ) KARBALA IRAQ


3. Ali ibn Husain -659-712 (Imam-680-712)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA

4. Mohd. ul Bakir ibn Ali -676-743 (Imam 712-743)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA


5. Jafer us Sadiq ibn Mohd ul Bakir 702-765 (Imam- 743-765)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA

6. Ismail ibn Jafer 719/722-775 (Imam 765-775)AL BAQI SAUDI ARABIA


7. Mohammad ibn Ismail 740-813 (Imam 775-813)SALAMIYA SYRIA

8. Abdullah ibn Mohammad (Ahmed al wafi)766-829 (Imam 813-829)SALAMIYA SYRIA


9. Ahmed ibn Abdullah (Mohammad al taqi)790‐840 (Imam 829‐840)SALAMIA SYRIA


10. Husain ibn Ahmed (Abdullah) (Imam 840‐909) ASKAR SYRIA



11. Abdullah Al Mehdi ibn Husain (Abū Muḥammad ˤAbdu l-Lāh (ˤUbaydu l-Lāh) al-Mahdī bi'llāh) (909-934)MAHDIYA IS IN TUNISIA


12. Mohammed ul Qaim ibn Abdullah (Abū l-Qāsim Muḥammad al-Qā'im bi-Amr Allāh) (934-946) mahdiya tunisiya

13. Ismail Al Mansoor ibn Mohammed(Abū Ṭāhir Ismā'il al-Manṣūr bi-llāh )(946-953)mahdiya tunisiya


14. Maad‐nil Muiz ibn Ismail Al Mansoor(Abū Tamīm Ma'add al-Mu'izz li-Dīn Allāh )(953-975)cairo egypt

15. Nizare nil Aziz ibn Moad‐al Moiz (Abū Manṣūr Nizār al-'Azīz bi-llāh )(975-996)cairo egypt


16. Husainil Hakim ibn Nizare‐al Aziz (Abū 'Alī al-Manṣūr al-Ḥākim bi-Amr Allāh) (996-1021)mokattam egypt

17. Ali‐al Zahir ibn Husain‐al Hakim (Abū'l-Ḥasan 'Alī al-Ẓāhir li-I'zāz Dīn Allāh)(1021-1036)

18. Maad‐al Mustansir ibn Ali ai Zahir(Abū Tamīm Ma'add al-Mustanṣir bi-llāh )(1036‐1094)cairo egypt

19. Ahmed al Mustali ibn Maadenil Mustansir (al-Musta'lī bi-llāh )(1094‐1101)cairo egypt


20. Mansuril Amir ibn Ahmed Al mustai( al-Āmir bi-Aḥkām Allāh) (1101-1130) cairo egypt

21. Tayyeb ibn Aamir

According to our historic texts the 9th (Imam Ahmed) to 20th (Imam Mansur) Imams are all buried in Cairo in Bab Mukhallafat al-Rasul near the zareeh of Raas ul Hussain. Not sure about the 7th and 8th Imams.

[allush]

dear sir (awakenedsoul)
you want to say that from 9th to 20th imams, it mean total 12 imams grave yard in egypt in BAB MUKHFLT NEAR RASUL HUSSAIN A.S.
But sir i study well in net, i did not find such authentic information about this, how it is possible that all 12 imams in one place and in one door, thats why i write before that, i confused lot about buried place of imams. if anyone in forum know authentic information about this topic, please share it.

thank you

[SBM]

Haqiqat bayan so cannot say here.

Easy cop out when you do not know the answer. Again if Einstein and other great minds would have said the same thing, we still be living in Stone Ages ( oh yes, followers of Dai are still living in stone Age as they like to call themselves Abdes/Amtes-read Slave)

[awakenedsoul]

dear sir (awakenedsoul)
you want to say that from 9th to 20th imams, it mean total 12 imams grave yard in egypt in BAB MUKHFLT NEAR RASUL HUSSAIN A.S.
But sir i study well in net, i did not find such authentic information about this, how it is possible that all 12 imams in one place and in one door, thats why i write before that, i confused lot about buried place of imams. if anyone in forum know authentic information about this topic, please share it.

thank you

I agree that there is no conclusive evidence for this. That is why I said "according to our historic texts". I have not yet encountered any photographic evidence or otherwise to prove this. Furthermore it is reported by historians that the body of Imam Hakim (AS) was never found after he mysteriously went missing.

[awakenedsoul]

Haqiqat bayan so cannot say here.

Easy cop out when you do not know the answer. Again if Einstein and other great minds would have said the same thing, we still be living in Stone Ages ( oh yes, followers of Dai are still living in stone Age as they like to call themselves Abdes/Amtes-read Slave)

This happens a lot in our community. I remember when Hussein BS started reciting in different qiraat styles I approached a jamea graduate and asked him the reason, the answer I got was "ehma haqiqat na aala asrar che ek din inshallah tamne parwu naseeb thai". However, I was still curious so I went home and researched it on my own. The "haqiqat" I found had me

[allush]

my friends i know that haqiqat and tawil bayan are top secret, it will not understand easily after reading on net also.
For haqiqat and tawil sabaq i must consult with any aala shaqs in JAMIA TUS SAFIYA or i have to attend first general sabaq from aamil sahab and then i will get tawil and haqiqat raza . But for that i have to wait too much, and life is very short after this CORONA ERA.
I still confused that for my simple question, why people is saying that its a tawil and haqiqat.
i just ask that where is real grave yard of imams.........
please if anybody in this forum answer my question, i will be very thankful to him or her.

thank you

[Qadir]

my friends i know that haqiqat and tawil bayan are top secret, it will not understand easily after reading on net also.
For haqiqat and tawil sabaq i must consult with any aala shaqs in JAMIA TUS SAFIYA or i have to attend first general sabaq from aamil sahab and then i will get tawil and haqiqat raza . But for that i have to wait too much, and life is very short after this CORONA ERA.
I still confused that for my simple question, why people is saying that its a tawil and haqiqat.
i just ask that where is real grave yard of imams.........
please if anybody in this forum answer my question, i will be very thankful to him or her.

thank you

The reason why you would have to attend the general sabaq is to get the meaning of Haqiqat and Taweel.
Think about it this way if you give a 12th grade book to 5th grader, he will be able to read it, understand it but it won't do much good in enhancing his/her knowledge because frankly he doesn't know a lot of basics the book covers.
If you think life is very short, why didn't your parents just teach you a skill and put you into workforce, why study for 12-13 long years?

Bow coming back to the Imam's qabar question, yes there are a lot of imams dafan inside the Bab al Mukhallefa, as i initially mentioned in my post. I haven't prayed the kitab yet (I'm only 21 so I'm still on my way) so i don't know the Haqiqat ilm but when i was in Misr in 2018 I asked the same question. The janab told me that Imam's jisn is noorani qudsani so their janaza, kafan and dafan are different from normal humans.
If you want to learn more, you can choose to go to Aamil Saheb of your town and work your way up to Haqiqat sabaq. That's your only option because not even the most knowledgeable Non-bohra shia clergy will not be able to answer your question.

Until that time comes when you get naseeb of learning this ilm, just go to Misr and have aqeedah in your mind that the imam are there and they are listening. Maybe do dua there to one day learn the raaz.

[allush]

dear sir(qadir)
i really like the way you teach me and make me good knowledge.
now i will not ask any question regarding this topic and i will find my answer myself one day.
thank you soo much to all

[awakenedsoul]

Br Qadir
Your two answers are contradictory. First you implied that you had knowledge of the funeral rites of Imam but could not mention it here since its haqiqat. Then you admitted that you have in fact not yet attended a haqiqat sabaq. I don't mean this in a wrong way but there is no shame in admitting if you don't have an answer, please don't throw around the words 'taaweel' and 'haqiqat'.
I have actually had the chance to attend sabaq of 2 haqiqat kitaabs under the current Mazoon saheb and shz Hussein BS. From the nature of haqiqat ilm, I don't think it covers stuff like kafan and dafan of imam but rather the spiritual concept of imamat, the primordial realm and all that. I could be wrong of course since my experience is limited to 2 kitaabs.

[Qadir]

Br Qadir
Your two answers are contradictory. First you implied that you had knowledge of the funeral rites of Imam but could not mention it here since its haqiqat. Then you admitted that you have in fact not yet attended a haqiqat sabaq. I don't mean this in a wrong way but there is no shame in admitting if you don't have an answer, please don't throw around the words 'taaweel' and 'haqiqat'.
I have actually had the chance to attend sabaq of 2 haqiqat kitaabs under the current Mazoon saheb and shz Hussein BS. From the nature of haqiqat ilm, I don't think it covers stuff like kafan and dafan of imam but rather the spiritual concept of imamat, the primordial realm and all that. I could be wrong of course since my experience is limited to 2 kitaabs.

Kafan dafan of imam is the penultimate ilm you or me as a mumin can get. If I'm not wrong its the 7th haqiqat kitaab. It doesn't mean that after that kitab you are done its just that its the last level, there's a lot of other kitabs which you can continue to pray bit they won't go to much deep or high as the ilm you get in 7th haqiqat kitaab.

I do realize that my first post came apart as if i know the ilm but that was just a poor choice of words. I apologise for that but once again i hope that whoever wants to know gets the ilm one day in this world.

[awakenedsoul]

Kafan dafan of imam is the penultimate ilm you or me as a mumin can get. If I'm not wrong its the 7th haqiqat kitaab. It doesn't mean that after that kitab you are done its just that its the last level, there's a lot of other kitabs which you can continue to pray bit they won't go to much deep or high as the ilm you get in 7th haqiqat kitaab.

I do realize that my first post came apart as if i know the ilm but that was just a poor choice of words. I apologise for that but once again i hope that whoever wants to know gets the ilm one day in this world.

I have not heard about a 7th haqiqat kitaab or penultimate haqiqat ilm but maybe it is true. I do know that there are certain kitaabs that only the dai and his mansoos are allowed to read and other kitaabs that high ranking hudood can study as well. In my opinion the very idea of penultimate knowledge stifles human progression and keeps us stagnant. For example, if people had said that Newton's Principia is the ultimate book in physics Einstein would probably never have discovered the theory of relativity.

I hope you do get to know that ilm and satisfy your interest. As for me, I don't see the usefulness of the knowledge of kafan and dafan of an imam to a regular person except for curiosity purposes.

[Humsafar]

Kafan dafan of imam is the penultimate ilm you or me as a mumin can get.

Really? Kafan and dafan of a dead Imam is the source of penultimate knowledge? How so? Please explain. This is not a vain question. I really want to know. I mean once you have that knowledge what do you do with it? Does it help you achieve enlightenment?

[SBM]

Kafan dafan of imam is the penultimate ilm you or me as a mumin can get.

Really? Kafan and dafan of a dead Imam is the source of penultimate knowledge? How so? Please explain. This is not a vain question. I really want to know. I mean once you have that knowledge what do you do with it? Does it help you achieve enlightenment?

I can enlighten you Br Humsafar- Aa Taawil aney Haqiqat nu bayan chey and you need to be enrolled in Sabaq to learn why it is so important to hide the information about Kafan/Dafan of Imam when Prophet's and Imam Hussain's Kafan/Dafan is public knowledge and being used by Kothari Goons to collect money and create a Ashura Tamasha by graphically describing his Shahdat and suffering of his family.

[Rashida saifuddin]

it is an old trick to keep people wondering and to keep monopoly.... normally those who attend those sabaqs are taught that they are the chosen one and there is a huge karam of dai to accept them for these sabaqs ultimately those who attend these sabaqs thinks they are superior to other people and they have all the rights on the ilm and other dont have it.

this trick is used to divide people and to keep few idiots loyal to kothar, our young friend Qadir is also one of those (chosen) idiot who thinks they are some special people who are attending these sabaqs which cant be discussed to other people.

[Kaka Akela]

This Qadir bhai pretends to be a 21 year old and only in sabaqs od Zahir kitabs or early tawil or haqiat kitabs, then how does he know about imam's kafan dafan in 8th haqiqat kitabs??

I know him to be a jamea graduate and he lives in Sri Lanka. Let him not fool us.

[Qadir]

This Qadir bhai pretends to be a 21 year old and only in sabaqs od Zahir kitabs or early tawil or haqiat kitabs, then how does he know about imam's kafan dafan in 8th haqiqat kitabs??

I know him to be a jamea graduate and he lives in Sri Lanka. Let him not fool us.

Oh my!! How did you know?

I have tried to maintain my identity hidden for so long and you caught me this time. Well i guess if you ever want to socialize you must know where i live, you're free to come anytime.
P.s. Don't worry we'll maintain social distancing

[Rashida saifuddin]

Just came to know about a girl from nairobi being lured by a so called hafiz and she is pregnant now....request to all young girls and woman to stay away from these so called mullah and dont think that they are hafiz means they will not do any thing wrong.

[SBM]

I have tried to maintain my identity hidden for so long and you caught me this time

So Qadir Bhai- you agree if Kaka Akela can find you then all your Tawaail and Haqiqat learning went to ZERO because he proved if he can discover you, he can discover all you Haqiqi and Taawili Sabaqs too

[allush]

hello my brother and sister
please let me know exactaly meaning of

KAFIR
MUSHREKEEN
MUNAFEKEEN.

with detail and example.
and mr.qadir please dont tel that this is also haqiqat and tawil

thank you

[SBM]

hello my brother and sister
please let me know exactaly meaning of
KAFIR
MUSHREKEEN
MUNAFEKEEN.

For the followers of SMS, anyone who is not Abde/Amte of SMS

[Kaka Akela]

With the presence of such aalims on this website like Adam, Qadir et al it will be very presumptuous of me to think i can explain the differences between these 3 categories. If i am wrong i request them to jump in and correct my definitions.

Kafir = kufr kernay wala, deny kernay wala, refuse kernay wala like shaitan refused to do sajda to Adam.

Mushrik = sharik kernay wala, shamil kernay wala, add kernay wala , khuda na sathay koi nay jordnay wala

Munafiq= nifaq kernay wala, bija nay ehna aqeeda per si hata denay wala. Believers me jhagda karanay wala.

Severity-wise Mushrik , kafir, then comes munafiq.