Inter Religion Marraiges : Is conversion necessary?

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-Laila-
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Inter Religion Marraiges : Is conversion necessary?

#1

Unread post by -Laila- » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:53 pm

Hello People !

So what is your take?



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#2

Unread post by -Laila- » Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:20 pm

Dear Admin,

Would it be possible for you to get Dr.Engineer to respond? I would really like to know his thoughts on this subject.



Muslim First
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#3

Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:20 pm

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Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 5: This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the People of the Book revealed before your time when ye give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost



Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 221: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters) until they believe; a slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman even though she allure you. Nor marry (your women) to unbelievers until they believe: a man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever even though he allure you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the fire. But Allah beckons by His grace to the Garden (of Bliss) and forgiveness and makes His Signs clear tomankind: that they may celebrate His praise.
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#4

Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:22 pm

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As per above commands in Qura'an, Allah has given permission for the believing men to marry chaste women from amongst the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), if they wish to do so; but it is absolutely prohibited in Islam for a believing woman to marry anyone but a believer.

Wasalaam
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#5

Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:09 pm

-Laila-
AS

Did you get answer you were looking for?

If you have specifc question then please phrase your question with perticulars.

Wasalaam
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#6

Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:29 pm

Dear Laila,
I had copied and sent your request to Dr. Asgar Ali Engineer and his comments are as follows:
"Dear Insaf,
Please forward my reply to our Bohra wrbsite since I do not know how to send it directly.
Dear Laila,
No there is absolutely no need to convert in inter-religious marriage.
Qura’n allows marriage with people of other religions like Christians and Jews and this category can be extended to people of other religions as well.
Marriage is a matter of love and adjustment, not of religion. A genuine marriage or love does not depend on ones religion, but on ones heart.
It is our social prejudices that make us convert the spouse of other religion.

Asghar Ali Engineer
Center for Study of Society and Secularism
9B, Himalaya Apts., 1st Floor,
6th Road, TPS III, Opp. Dena Bank,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai - 400 055,
Phone: 26149668, 26102089 (Off) 26630086 (R)
Fax No.: 091-022-26100712
E-mail : csss@vsnl.com"

While discussing the matter over the phone Dr. Engineer also said that even our holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) also had one christian and one Jew wife and they did not convert to Islam even after their marriages. He also said that many ulemas consider even Hindus as people of Book as Quran says Allah has sent guides to all mankind.



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#7

Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:08 pm

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I respectfully disagree with Dr. Asgar Ali Engineers Fatwa regarding Inter-religious marriages.

In Islam any Fatwa (Religious edict) could not go against the Commandments of Qur’an and Sunnah of the Prophet.

Please check out following responses to Marriage in Islam.
From Islam Q&A

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&dgn=4

A Muslim woman wants to marry a kaafir

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 2914&dgn=4

A Muslim is in love with a Hindu girl and wants to marry her

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 8015&dgn=4

Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 0884&dgn=4

Wasalaam
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#8

Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:51 pm

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While discussing the matter over the phone Dr. Engineer also said that even our holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) also had one christian and one Jew wife and they did not convert to Islam even after their marriages.
True Qur'an allows it.
He also said that many ulemas consider even Hindus as people of Book as Quran says Allah has sent guides to all mankind.
Those Ulema's are out of their mind. One cannot marry Mushrik. Qur'an says that.

Many Ulemas also forbid marraige to Shia. You can find Fatwa you like but you have to convince yourself the truth based on Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet SAW.

Wasalaam
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way2heaven
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#9

Unread post by way2heaven » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:27 pm

salam all,
People here on this forum are asking opinion of this person..

Asger Ali Enginner a media stereotype self claimed reformist has been involved in numerous nefarious activites. Pursuing Marxism for years Engineer has on numerous counts been indicted by the law for creating and encouraging disharmony within society.
Excommunicated from the close-knit Dawoodi Bohra community, Engineer has since the last three decades unsuccessfully been involved in so called reformist movment.

Influenced by his Marxist ideologies,Engineer has since years rejected religion. However as to procure publicity and mollah, the social discard has successfully stereotyped himself in the media as an Islamic scholar.His Islamic background has largely been helpful in misleading the media and projecting himself as an Muslim social acivist.

Muslim scholars were agust when Enginner calaimed to reinterpret the Holy Quran a few years back.

Presently under the guise of Social activist, reformist, and to the extend even claimed to be a social scientist, Engineer, monetarily supported by communist forces runs a duboius institute clamining to pursue social and seclar studies.

However not only the community which excommunicated him but Muslims in general regard his views on Islam as absurd. A few examples are his declaraton of the sacred stone placed at the Kabbah, the Hajae-e-Aswad as a mere stone and declared that Allah, the god of Islam has based the religion of Islam on human weakness.

ridiculous n unbelievable too..

w.salam kh



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#10

Unread post by anajmi » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:59 pm

way2wherever,

That's the beauty in reformism and the beauty in being a reformist. I don't have to agree with Mr. Engineer nor do I have to agree with the corrupt Syedna nor do I have to agree with any Abde Moron. Mr. Engineer can claim whatever he likes about Allah but as long as he does not ask me to make the same claim, it is ok. If I am so concerned about his translation I have every right to come up with my own translation unlike the corrupt syedna who has asked abde morons to not even read a translation!!



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#11

Unread post by way2heaven » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:18 pm

ana ana anajmi,
salam..atleast give respect to fellow muslim bhai..im giving my opinion nothing else..those who are ineterested can happily read else can stay away..those who want to see others opinion can keep their eyes open, those who want to listen others can keep their ears open.

w.salam.

May allah show u all right path n direction. ameen.

way2heaven



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#12

Unread post by mbohra » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:26 pm

To Way2heaven: rather uneducated and brain-washed !

1. If what you are saying that Dr. Engineer is a Marxist or he is a Quran revisionist, is true, then why would the whole world invite him as an Islamic Scholar to talk on Islam. He has called worse by better people than you.

2. What has Dr. Asghar done for the Humanity?

Asghar Ali Engineer is a rights activist and heads the two organisations, Institute of Islamic Studies and Centre for Study of Society and Secularism. He has authored or edited 48 books on such issues as Islam and communal and ethnic problems in India and South Asia in general.

Some of the books written by Dr. Asghar Engineer:

http://www.csss-isla.com/booklist/asghar_list.php

Books written and edited by Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer
No. Book Year Publisher Price
1. The Bohras (revised edition) 1980 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.125/-
2. Communal Violence in Post-Independence India 1984 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.125/-
3. Islam & It's Relevance to Our Age 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.40/-
4. Bhivandi Bombay Riots (out of print) 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.50/-
5. On Developing Theory of Communal Riots 1984 C.S.S.S., Mumbai Rs.15/-
6. Indian Muslims a Study of Minority Problem 1984 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
7. Islam & Muslim-Critical Perspectives 1985 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.195/-
8. Islam South & South East Asia (ED.) 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
9. Communalism and Communal Problem in India 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
10. Communalism and Communal Violence 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.250/-
11. The Shah Banu Controversy 1986 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
12. Struggles for Reforms in Bohra Community 1986 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.60/-
13. Ethnic Conflict in South Asia 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.125/-
14. Status of Women in Islam (ED.) 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.60/-
15. Delhi Meerut Riots 1988 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
16. The Muslim Communities of Gujarat The Bohras, Khojas & Memons 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.200/-
17. Religion & Liberation 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
18. Justice, Women & Communal Harmony in Islam 1989 ICSSR, New Delhi

19. Liberation Theology in Islam 1990 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.225/-
20. Babri Masjid Ram Janmabhoomi Controversy 1990 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.175/-
21. Sufism & Communal Harmony 1991 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.200/-
22. Secular Crown on Fire (Kashmir Problem) 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
23. Mandal Commission Controversy 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.310/-
24. Communalisation of Politics & 10th Loksabha Elections 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.395/-
25. Politics of Confrontation (ED.) the Babri Masjid Ramjanmabhoomi Controversy Runs Riots
26. Communal Riots in Post Independence India 1991 Sangam Books Rs.135/-
27. Origin and Development of Islam 1992 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
28. Rights of Women in Islam 1992 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.200/-
29. The Islamic State (revised edition) 1994 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.85/-
30. Islam & Revolution(ED.) 1994 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
31. Problem of Muslim Women in India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.250/-
32. Lifting the Veil Communal Violence and Communal, Harmony in Contemporary India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.325/-
33. Kerala Muslims In Historical Perspective 1995 Ajanta Books, Delhi

34. Communalism In India - A Historical and Empirical Study 1995 Vikas publishing House, N-Delhi

35. Gandhiji & Communal Harmony (ED.) 1997 Gandhi Peace Foundation Rs.355/-
36. Rethinking Issues in Islam 1998 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.200/-
37. State Secularism and Religion 1998 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.350/-
38. The Qur'an Women and Modern Society 1999 Sterling publishers, Delhi Rs.400/-
39. Contemporary Politics of Identity, Religion and Secularism 1999 Ajanta Publication, New Delhi Rs.350/-
40. Rational Approach to Islam 2000 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.500/-
41. Islam, Women and Gender Justice 2001 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.590/-
42. Islam in India - The Impact of Civilizations (ED) 2002 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.295/-
43. Communal Challenge and Secular Response 2003 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.550/-
44. On Developing Theology of Peace in Islam 2003 Sterling Publishers Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.400/-
45. The Gujarat Carnage 2003 Orient Longman Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.425/-
46. Communal Riots After Independence - A Comprehensive Account 2003 Shipra Publications, New Delhi Rs.550/- or US$40
47. The Rights of women in Islam 2004 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd.,New Dehli Rs.500/- US$ 24.95
48. Islam - Challenges in 21st Century 2004 Gyan Publishing House, New Dehli Rs.540/-
48. The Qur'an, Women and Modern Society - second edition 2005 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi Rs.500/-

Institute of Islamic Studies,
9B, Himalya Apts,
1st Floor, 6th Rd,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai:- 400 055.
India. Centre for Study of Society and Secularism,
Irene Cottage, Second Floor,
4th Road, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai:- 400 055, Ph:- 91-22-6149668, 6153489.
India.

2. www.rightlivelihood.org/ recip/2004/asghar-ali-engineer.htm

He won the 2004 The Right Livelihood Award " - an alternative Nobel Prize by the ...for strong commitment and cooperation over many years to promote the values of co-existence, tolerance and understanding in India and between the countries of South Asia"

The annual Right Livelihood Awards, was presented on December 9 in the Swedish Parliament, was given in recognition of dedicated work at community level in development, human rights, ecology, renewable energy and gender empowerment.

3. Some of the lectures, papers he has presented and worshops attended internationally are as follows:

- Women in Islam - What Identites? Whose Interest?
Joint effort with the Women's Development Collective (WDC)
Speaker: Asghar Ali Engineer, CSSS, India; Budi Munawar Rahman, Paramadina, Indonesia; and; Neelam Hussain, Simourgh, Pakistan
27 October 2002

- In May 2004,
Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer was invited to Oxford & Coventry Universities for an international seminar on 'Religious Violence in South Asia', held on 26th March 2004.

He spoke on Communal Carnage in Gujarat in 2002. His presentation on Gujarat violence was greatly appreciated by scholars working in this area. Prof. Paul Brass from USA who works on communal violence in India, showed particular appreciation for Dr. Engineer's presentation.

Taking advantage of Dr. Engineer's presence in UK, number of organisation in London and Birmingham organised his lectures.

The Department of Human Rights, East London University, London organised his lecture on 25th March on 'Interpreting Islamic Human Rights in the contemporary context'. Large number of professors and senior students studying Islam and Human Rights attended the lectures and Prof. Siraj Sait, teaching human rights conducted the program. The lecture removed many misconceptions about Human Rights and Islam.

On this occasion Dr. Engineer's second edition of the book Rights of Women in Islam was released. Dr. Engineer's threw light on rights of women in Islam as a part of human rights.

On 26th evening Mr. Engineer was invited by London Circle - an organisation of Muslims of all nationalities in London, to speak on 'Gender dynamics of Shariah Law'. Large number of Muslim women also attended this lecture, which was convened by Mr. Asim Siddiqui, Chairman, London Circle. Most of the audiences were from Arab Countries.

On 27th March, Dr. Engineer was invited to give a lecture on Islam, Democracy and the Shariah Law, by an organisation called Islam21. It was presided over by Mr. Najah Kadhim, A Professor of Economic from Iraq and was convened by Dr. Ghiyasuddin Siddiqui. The lecture was held at Muslim Cultural Heritage Center, London.

On 25th March, Dr. Engineer had to deliver two lectures in Birmingham, one organised by Birmingham Circle by Prof. Aquil Chaudhary. He spoke on Islam and Dilemmas of Modernity.

In the evening he spoke in a meeting organised by South Asians living in Birmingham and Leicester. The lecture was organised by Ms Haki Kapasi. Mr. Fazal Husain Kapasi leader of the reformist Bohras in UK also took part in the meeting. Mr. Engineer stayed with him and discussed about the forthcoming reformist conference in UK at the end of July 2004.

Dr. Engineer returned to London on 29th March and was invited to deliver a lecture on Quran and Modernity by Islamic College for Advanced Studies. This college is run by Iranian and particularly focuses on Shia theology. Dr. M. J. Elmi, Principal of the college and Senior Professor, Prof. Ezzi were also present in the lecture. And Prof. Tahir Wasti organised the lecture. Prof. Ezzi particularly greatly appreciated Dr. Engineer's lecture.

- In October 2001
The University of Western Australia's Department of Political Science presented two lectures by internationally renowned scholar of Islam, Professor Asghar Ali Engineer from the Institute of Islamic Studies in Mumbai, India.

His lecture: 'Islam and Women' will be delivered tomorrow (Wednesday, October 24, 2001) at 6pm in the Alexander Lecture Theatre.

The second lecture titled: 'Islam in South Asia' will be presented on Friday, October 26, 2001, at 11 am in the Political Science Conference Room.

- November 16 &18 2001

1. The Religious and Social background of Afghanistan and the Taliban: The Problems Involved

Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 16 (Friday), (17:10 ~ 8:40) PM
Place: Room No. 911 (9th. Floor), Library Building, Sophia University,Tokyo.

2. The present state of the Islamic movement in South Asia

Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 18 (Sunday), (15:00~17:00) PM
Place: 1st. Floor of the Hakubi-kan, Kyoto University.

Indian Muslim Council, USA (IMC-USA)
'Defending India's freedom, democracy and pluralism'
IMC-USA Weekly News Digest - January 14th, 2003

What: 'Secularism & Democracy in India: Challenges Ahead'
When: January 24th, 2004 from 12:30 - 4:30 PM.
Where: Santa Clara Marriott, 2700 Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA
Tickets: $10, includes lunch. Free baby-sitting.
RSVP: bayarea@imc-usa.org , (408) 219-1433
More Info: http://www.imc-usa.org/events.htm

Sponsored by: Coalition against Communalism (CAC), Friends of South Asia (FOSA), South Asian Progressive Action Collective (SAPAC), NRI's for a Secular & Harmonious India (NRI-SAHI), Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA), Indian Muslim Relief Committee (IMRC)

What: 'Communalism & Identity Politics in India'
When: January 25, 2004. 6:00PM - 8:00 PM
Where: FunAsia, Richardson, TX
RSVP: info@imc-usa.org , (972)889-8000

Sponsored by: Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA)

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What: 'Democracy & Communal Harmony in India: Role of NRI & PIO Community'
When: Saturday, January 31st 2004, 1:00PM - 3:30 PM
Where: Indo-American Center, 6328 N. California, Chicago, IL 60659
Tickets: $10 per person, $5 for students (Includes Buffet Lunch)
RSVP: bb_nri_pio@yahoo.com , (708)466-0244

Sponsored by: Building Bridges [A Coalition comprising of following organizations: World Tamil Organization (WTO), South Asian Progressive Action Network (SAPAC), Coalition for Secular and Democratic India (CSDI), Indian Muslim Council-USA (IMC-USA), South Asia Group for Action and Reflection (SAGAR) ]

If you need a list of hundreds others, please feel free to ask. We will gladly oblige.



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#13

Unread post by way2heaven » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:33 pm

mbohra, bhai uneducated n brain-washed terms could well be right for me...im glad tht i've added few more names to my existing list..

i just want to say follow right path n direction, show others right path n direction..nothing more.

by the way where are u from? IND, CAN, UK or ??

w.salam.

way2heaven



anajmi
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#14

Unread post by anajmi » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:47 pm

way2wherever,

I am giving respect to my fellows muslims. Even though I consider you to be an Abde Moron, I am reading your posts and responding to them. Isn't that what you want? Or besides being an Abde Moron are you a moron too?



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#15

Unread post by mbohra » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:05 pm

Way2heaven:

Why do you want to know where I am from? You are wrong on all four counts - as usual!



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#16

Unread post by way2heaven » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:29 am

mbohra, not only u but all of u r right..minority is alwaz right. u people want to change the system which is quite unlikely can happen in near or far future!!!!

wsalam.
way2heaven



-Laila-
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#17

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:14 am

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
Dear Laila,
I had copied and sent your request to Dr. Asgar Ali Engineer and his comments are as follows:
"Dear Insaf,
Please forward my reply to our Bohra wrbsite since I do not know how to send it directly.
Dear Laila,
No there is absolutely no need to convert in inter-religious marriage.
Qura’n allows marriage with people of other religions like Christians and Jews and this category can be extended to people of other religions as well.
Marriage is a matter of love and adjustment, not of religion. A genuine marriage or love does not depend on ones religion, but on ones heart.
It is our social prejudices that make us convert the spouse of other religion.

Asghar Ali Engineer
Center for Study of Society and Secularism
9B, Himalaya Apts., 1st Floor,
6th Road, TPS III, Opp. Dena Bank,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai - 400 055,
Phone: 26149668, 26102089 (Off) 26630086 (R)
Fax No.: 091-022-26100712
E-mail : csss@vsnl.com"

While discussing the matter over the phone Dr. Engineer also said that even our holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) also had one christian and one Jew wife and they did not convert to Islam even after their marriages. He also said that many ulemas consider even Hindus as people of Book as Quran says Allah has sent guides to all mankind.
Thanks for that Insaaf. But what about women marrying outside the religion.



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#18

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:47 am

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
Dear Laila,
I had copied and sent your request to Dr. Asgar Ali Engineer and his comments are as follows:
"Dear Insaf,
Please forward my reply to our Bohra wrbsite since I do not know how to send it directly.
Dear Laila,
No there is absolutely no need to convert in inter-religious marriage.
Qura’n allows marriage with people of other religions like Christians and Jews and this category can be extended to people of other religions as well.
Marriage is a matter of love and adjustment, not of religion. A genuine marriage or love does not depend on ones religion, but on ones heart.
It is our social prejudices that make us convert the spouse of other religion.

Asghar Ali Engineer
Center for Study of Society and Secularism
9B, Himalaya Apts., 1st Floor,
6th Road, TPS III, Opp. Dena Bank,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai - 400 055,
Phone: 26149668, 26102089 (Off) 26630086 (R)
Fax No.: 091-022-26100712
E-mail : csss@vsnl.com"

While discussing the matter over the phone Dr. Engineer also said that even our holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) also had one christian and one Jew wife and they did not convert to Islam even after their marriages. He also said that many ulemas consider even Hindus as people of Book as Quran says Allah has sent guides to all mankind.
Mmmmmm....Muslims are big on conversions ....thats the general feeling....! But whats the point?! Falling in love with someone doesnt mean one will change the mind set that one has grown up with all ones adult life. So these conversions before marriages are nothing more than a circus !!! I completely agree with Dr. Engineer (if thats indeed him)



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#19

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:54 am

Originally posted by anajmi:
way2wherever,

I am giving respect to my fellows muslims. Even though I consider you to be an Abde Moron, I am reading your posts and responding to them. Isn't that what you want? Or besides being an Abde Moron are you a moron too?
Hehhehehehe....that was funny !



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#20

Unread post by heavenoheaven » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:56 am

there is free entertainment for everyone on this moroned website..hahahaha

hows this laila??

w.salam.
way2heaven



-Laila-
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#21

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:57 am

Originally posted by way2heaven:
salam all,
People here on this forum are asking opinion of this person..

Asger Ali Enginner a media stereotype self claimed reformist has been involved in numerous nefarious activites. Pursuing Marxism for years Engineer has on numerous counts been indicted by the law for creating and encouraging disharmony within society.
Excommunicated from the close-knit Dawoodi Bohra community, Engineer has since the last three decades unsuccessfully been involved in so called reformist movment.

Influenced by his Marxist ideologies,Engineer has since years rejected religion. However as to procure publicity and mollah, the social discard has successfully stereotyped himself in the media as an Islamic scholar.His Islamic background has largely been helpful in misleading the media and projecting himself as an Muslim social acivist.

Muslim scholars were agust when Enginner calaimed to reinterpret the Holy Quran a few years back.

Presently under the guise of Social activist, reformist, and to the extend even claimed to be a social scientist, Engineer, monetarily supported by communist forces runs a duboius institute clamining to pursue social and seclar studies.

However not only the community which excommunicated him but Muslims in general regard his views on Islam as absurd. A few examples are his declaraton of the sacred stone placed at the Kabbah, the Hajae-e-Aswad as a mere stone and declared that Allah, the god of Islam has based the religion of Islam on human weakness.

ridiculous n unbelievable too..

w.salam kh
Hello mate everyone has a right to an opinion and the above is just your opinion....actually it sounds more like propoganda to me, to be honest !Anyway thats my opinion !



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#22

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:59 am

Originally posted by heavenoheaven:
there is free entertainment for everyone on this moroned website..hahahaha

hows this laila??

w.salam.
way2heaven
So why do you visit? Unless you are one too... :)



-Laila-
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#23

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:02 am

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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I respectfully disagree with Dr. Asgar Ali Engineers Fatwa regarding Inter-religious marriages.

In Islam any Fatwa (Religious edict) could not go against the Commandments of Qur’an and Sunnah of the Prophet.

Please check out following responses to Marriage in Islam.
From Islam Q&A

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&dgn=4

A Muslim woman wants to marry a kaafir

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 2914&dgn=4

A Muslim is in love with a Hindu girl and wants to marry her

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 8015&dgn=4

Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&d ... 0884&dgn=4

Wasalaam
.
Hi Muslim. Thanks for your input. But your response sounds very pedantic to me. Why one rule for man and another for a woman?! How long will we women keep paying for what Eve did ?!



heavenoheaven
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#24

Unread post by heavenoheaven » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:04 am

i want entertainments thts why im here?? ur name sounds like bollywood movie..LAILA!!!!

Propaganda abt what!!!! to convert this group of idiots n stupid people to DAWOODI BOHRA...better this progress stay away dawoodi bohras are already far far progressed!!!!

w.salam.
way2heaven



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#25

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:09 am

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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While discussing the matter over the phone Dr. Engineer also said that even our holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) also had one christian and one Jew wife and they did not convert to Islam even after their marriages.
True Qur'an allows it.

He also said that many ulemas consider even Hindus as people of Book as Quran says Allah has sent guides to all mankind.
Those
Ulema's are out of their mind. One cannot marry Mushrik. Qur'an says that.

Many Ulemas also forbid marraige to Shia. You can find Fatwa you like but you have to convince yourself the truth based on Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet SAW.

Wasalaam
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How can you have such narrow vision? Can I ask something basic? If God wanted all the human beings on this earth to follow ONLY ISLAM, HE would have had a Prophet in every corner of the earth !!!!! Anyone who preaches superiority of ones faith is defeating the whole purpose of religion !!!! Actually I think religion is man made. Its the brain child of a few wise men who had to resort to involving a supreme being in order to have harmony and peace BEFORE we all KILLED each other !!!!



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#26

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:10 am

Originally posted by heavenoheaven:
i want entertainments thts why im here?? ur name sounds like bollywood movie..LAILA!!!!

Propaganda abt what!!!! to convert this group of idiots n stupid people to DAWOODI BOHRA...better this progress stay away dawoodi bohras are already far far progressed!!!!

w.salam.
way2heaven
WHATEVER ......



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#27

Unread post by heavenoheaven » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:14 am

WHATEVER..ur afraid to say clearly or what??
wsalam.



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Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:17 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by heavenoheaven:
WHATEVER..ur afraid to say clearly or what??
wsalam.
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#29

Unread post by -Laila- » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:28 am

Originally posted by heavenoheaven:
WHATEVER..ur afraid to say clearly or what??
wsalam.
Ok if you insist .......Jhaanam ma jaa!



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#30

Unread post by heavenoheaven » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:31 am

Laila,
may allah fulfill all ur dreams n wishes.

w.salam.
way2heaven