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Gulf
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Unread post by Gulf » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:41 am

:) :) :)
Huzurala Tus will Grace Surat for Zikra Waaz 1429H on 6th Shawwal Al Mukarram Inshallah.

Ehlaan Posted In Al Jamiya Tus Safiya Surat with Signature of following;

1. Shz Qasim Bs Hakimuddin Saheb DM (Amir ul Jamiya)
2. Shz Abbas Bs Fakhruddin Saheb DM,
3. Shz Qaidjohar Bs Ezzuddin Saheb DM ,
4. Shz Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin Saheb DM

Wish all Mumineen of SURAT heartiest Mubarakbadi.

Jahannum Ma Hazaaro Saal Jalse Aapna Dusman.



Aarif
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Unread post by Aarif » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:48 pm

Gulp,

Did you take raza before posting these details on a reformist site. If not you are not a good follower of syedna and he will be very angry with you...



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:14 pm

@gulf
Jahannum Ma Hazaaro Saal Jalse Aapna Dusman.

"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."
A popular saying in English.



jayanti
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Unread post by jayanti » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:09 am

Smart, u r among one of them! ;) correct



mr cool
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Unread post by mr cool » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:40 am

do you the meaning of DM IT IS CALLED DUM MULLA



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:40 pm

@jayanti

Read the context and then my statement and you will get the meaning.

Footlickers, beggars, slaves, insaan ne sajdo karwawala belong to the same category. I am sure you understand who they are!



mohammed_truthseeker
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Unread post by mohammed_truthseeker » Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:03 am

Bushra - Does that mean Bush RA - Bush - peace be upon you.



mohammed_truthseeker
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Unread post by mohammed_truthseeker » Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:04 am

Sorry I meant - May Allah be pleased with you.



Hozefa
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Unread post by Hozefa » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:46 am

mohammedbhai,
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Piss Be Upon Him
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mohammed_truthseeker
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Unread post by mohammed_truthseeker » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:25 am

rightly said :)



Aarif
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Unread post by Aarif » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:30 pm

That's a nice one Hozefa.. :D :D



Hozefa
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Unread post by Hozefa » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:41 am


folks this is for your review,
There should have served a good and inteligent bayaan indeed, but I think this narrator have screwed up the actual script


From:ypitolwala@yahoo.com


786/110
06/10/1429 H.

Aje Maula tus ye Waaz 3:45 Uthavi,

Shafa'at per puro bayan hato,
mumeneen ni jama'at tame koi fikar na karjo wallah e azeem aa burhanuddin tamari shafa'at karis, koi fikar na karjo,
pachi farmayu Syedna Taher Saifuddin Bawaji Saheb farmauta tasbih su che ke Bhai Burhanuddin, Ye Tasbih che ehna bayan ma ehvi hikmat che sunnar teri ne qudus ma pahunche che,

Fatema a.s ni shahadat shan si zikar farmavi em farmayu Fatema ye em wasiyat sukam kidi ke mane raat ma dafan karjo, koi ne khabar na pare, ke dushmano aa shisha ne nikali na le, aa fakat mumeneem tamara waste che,

Husain a.s ni Shahadat andaaz si padi k pahar jevi mushkil hoi to Husain a.s asaan kare che ane Husain per je musibat utri ye pahar pe pare to tukde - 2 thai jai.


Khuda aa shafiq bawa ni umar sharif ne ta roze qayamat daraz ane daraz karjo. Aameen.

there was a note: Please forward to as many Mumnineen as you can.



Aarif
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Unread post by Aarif » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:30 pm

mumeneen ni jama'at tame koi fikar na karjo wallah e azeem aa burhanuddin tamari shafa'at karis, koi fikar na karjo,
"tamari shafa'at karis" should read as "tamari zeb saaf karis"

"koi fikar na karjo" should read as "Mhane tamara badha paisa aapi ne koi fikar na karjo. Mhara paase tamara paisaa safe che" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



neutralbohri
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Unread post by neutralbohri » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:39 am

Was there anything new in this year's Zikra's majlis?

People flock to Zikra majlis because that knowledge which is not given generally during moharrum and ramzaan is imparted in Maula's bayaan in the zikra majlis.

By the way , did anybody attend this year's Zikra majlis? Anything new this time?



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:05 pm

mumeneen ni jama'at tame koi fikar na karjo wallah e azeem aa burhanuddin tamari shafa'at karis, koi fikar na karjo
I suppose this shafa'at did not reach the Bohras is Dhule, so now they have to do fikar. Of how they will survive and where.
They did become the sitting ducks as I had mentioned in an earlier thread.



S. Insaf
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Unread post by S. Insaf » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:32 pm

Surat Amil and Jamat members beaten up
On Lailatul-Qadr 22nd Ramadan, (Sunday 21st August 2008) Amil of Ezzi Mohalla - Surat announced that Sayedna Saheb has sent a "Maozat" amount to be distributed among poor and deserving mumineen.
After two days on 25th Ramazan (Wednesday 24 August 2008) a group of 50 to 60 Bohras went to the office of the Ezzi Mohalla Tanzeem Committee. It is also the office of Amil. They inquired about the "Maozat" amount received from Sayedna.
The Amil informed them that the amount had already been distributed. After hearing this, the group demanded the list of the recipients. Amil give them the list.
On going through the list they found that the entire amount was distributed among the relatives of Jamat members, Shaikh Taher bhai Daginawala, Shaikh Shabbir bhai Ghadiwala and Shaikh Hakimuddin. Nothing was distributed among poor and deserving mumineen.
This ultimately resulted first in heated arguments and then in to violent clash and the Amil and Jamat members were beaten up thoroughly. Taher Daginawala submitted his resignation.

See the height of corruption in the land of Jamiyah Saifiyah. See the effect of Zikra on Sayedna's own trusted men.



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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:41 pm

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

Don't know who said, but sounds appropriate.



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:00 pm

It was said by John F. Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, in a speech at the white house in 1962.



S. Insaf
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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:27 pm

Surat Amil and Jamat members beaten up
The name of Ezzi Mohalla Amil is Shaikh Yusuf Ali and the amount of Maozat was Rs. 25 lakhs.



Right
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Unread post by Right » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:13 am

I still don't understand why the Zikra MAjlis is conducted ?

Do Dai before 52 nd Dai were also conducting it ?



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:28 am

Too many incidents of common bohras beating up the amils and jamaat members this year. Is there a domino effect or is the house of cards collapsing?



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:33 pm

"Zikra" is one more occasion for the kotharis to display their show of strength and project their vice like grip over the bohra community at large. They just need some excuse to gather bohras from all over the globe at one place and show the world how great is "Mola ni shaan". The bayaan here is nothing much different then the one you hear in Moharrum or you could say it is an extension of the Moharrum vayez. Now we all know what is the vayez during Moharrum, there is more emphasis on wajebat, bawaji saab (Taher Saifuddin saab) and the usual laanats showered on Sahaba Rasul s.a. There is no emphasis on Imam Hussain a.s.'s shaan and moreover there is zero emphasis on what we as true followers of Imam Hussain a.s. should actually learn and inculcate the message passed by Him to us. There is no stress on the actual message of Hussain a.s. but only a lesson in history repeated year after year. Thats the reason why bohras even after attending the vayez are like "Chikna ghada par paani".

If the true message is understood by the average bohra, he/she will immediately question the present authorities as to in what way are you following Imam Hussain a.s. teachings. What sacrifices are you making for the Ummah. How are you living as compared to the great soul. So there is a ploy to keep the masses ignorant and reap the benefits arising out of it.

"Zikra" is actually "Zikar" and by that we mean Zikar-e-Ilahi (Chanting Allah's name). Now how much of Allah's name is recited and how much stress is given on Allah and His Commandments is for everyone to see.



S. Insaf
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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:09 am

One of my relatives from Ujjain (Safdari) who had gone to Jamiyah Saifiah - Surat for education and had to run away because of the ugly behaviour of the teachers there has told me that:
1) The students selected there are NOT on the basis of their financial condition or their interest in the religious education, they are selected on the basis of their charming handsome look and smartness.
2) The young student are selected and kept in Jamiyah for eleven years till they have spend good years of their youth in the seminary and are left with no other option except to do amalat.
2) The earlier during Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb's time examinations were conducted and degrees were confirmed on the fial year students. It was then known as "Imtihan". But now it is name as "Zikra" because Sayedna Burhanuddin saheb comes to Surat and do the "Zikar" of his father and our 51st Dai's Karam & Ahsanat.



Smart
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Unread post by Smart » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:16 am

Bro S. Insaf,
The students selected there are NOT on the basis of their financial condition or their interest in the religious education, they are selected on the basis of their charming handsome look and smartness.
Why do you think charming handsome looks matter? We have all heard stories about paedophiles priests amongst Roman Catholic priests and their stories about choir boys. The Catholic Church is now paying millions of dollars as compensation and going bankrupt.

Is there more than meets the eye?