What is been taught in Jamiyah today?

[S. Insaf]

List of books once taught for various degrees in Surat Daras
A. Literature*
1. Poetry…
The Diwans of the following Holy Poets.
Moulana Ali
Syedna Tamim Ibne Moulna Muizz (14th Imam).
Syedna Husain bin Amin (Dai of Moulana Hakim 16th Imam).
Syedna Muayad Fid-din Hujjat of Mustansir Billah 18th Imam.
Syedna Abdullah, Dai no. 3.
Syedna Khattab, cousin of Hurrat-ul-Malika.
Syedna Ali bin Walid, Dai no. 5.
Syedna Idris Imad-ud-din Dai no. 19.
Syedna Adeali Saifuddin Dai no. 43
Syedna Abdul Qadir Najmuddin, Dai no. 47.
Diwan Mohomed bin Hani.
Sabai Muallaqat.
Kalila Damna.
Qasidai Burda.
Qasidai Hamzia.
Qasidai Karrari.
Sabai-Alaviyyat by Ibne Hadid, author of the commentary of Nahjul-Balagh.
2. Pross :
Hadis-i-Bani Israel.
Kitabut Torat.
Kitabuz-Zabur.
Nahjul-Balagh by Moulana Ali
Shahabun-Nabavi
Khatabate-Rasulil-Lah
Kitabut-Tazkirt
Baloher and Buzasuf.

B.Historical books
1. Seven Volumes of Uyunul-Akhbar by Syedna Idris, 19th Dai.
2. Seven Volumes of Azher by Hasan bin Nuh of Syedna Idris’ times.
3. Kitabe Rozatur Akhbar by Syedna Idris.
4. Kitabe-Nazhatul Akhbar by Syedna Idris
5. Four volumes of Sharaul Akhbar by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
“Syedna Qazi-un-Noman was the Pontiff and Qazi-un-quzzat of Molana Muiz (14th Imam) and Molana Aziz (15th Imam 341-386 A. H.)”
6. Kitabe Iftita-hud-Dawat by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
7. Kashfiz-Zilam fi Istitaril-Imam by Qazi-un-Noman.
8.Sirate (biography) Quaidul-Quad Johar by Qazi-un-Noman.
9.Sirate Jsfer-ul-Hajib.
10.Sirate Ustad Juzar* (Auto-biography).
C.11. Sirate Muayidiah (Auto-biography)
D.12. Kitabe Istitarul Imam by Ahmed Nahapuria, Dai of Aziz Billah, the 15th Imam.
13. Mijalisi-Hatimi by Syedna Hatim, Dai No. 3.
14. Tarikhi Mohommed bin Ishaq and Miqrizi are also read.
15. Mumtazul Akhbar.
C. Fiqah or books on Theology.
1. Daimul-Islam two volumes, by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
2. Mukhtasir-ul-Asar, 2 volumes by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
3. Kitabul Yanbu fil Fiqah by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
4. Kitabul Akhbar by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman
5. Kitabe Manbaul-Faraiz by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
6. Kitabe Rahat wat Tasali by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman
7. Risalai Zatul Bryan by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman
8. Taqwimul Ahkam by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
9. Kitabul-Havashi by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
10. Mafanihum-Niamat by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
11. Majmaul Fiqah by Syedna Yusuf, Dai No. 24.
12. Kitabe Asimah li Nafs-il-Muhtadin by Syedna Idris.
13. Tanbihul Ghafilin by Syedna Ibrahim bin Husain Dai no. 11.
14. Tanbihul Hadi by Syedna Hamiduddin Saheb.
15. Majmu-ai-Masail by Syedna Hatim.
16. Majmuat-Tarbiah by Syedna Mohomed bin Tahir.
D.Book on Tawil and Haqiqat are too numerous to be mentioned.
A. Tawil or allegorical interpretation of the precepts or Arkan of Islam.
1. Tavil-ud-Dayaim by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman.
2. Ishrina Masail fit-Tavil by Syedna Mohommed bin Tahir,
3. Tavile Manasekul Haj by Syedna Abde Ali Imadud-din.

HAQIQAT
These books are divided in four classes :
1.In the first class he is taught the philosophical portion of the literature and is shown how philosophy can be reconciled with religion.
52 risalas of Ikhwanus-Safa by Moulana Ahmed bin Husain, 9th Imam, are taught for the subject vide appendix A (1)*
2. In the Second class are taught the following books.
(a) Esoteric books written by Syedna Qazi-un-Noman, a well known Hujjat of Moulana Aziz Bil-Lah, the 14th Imam (427-487 A. H.)
(b) Books by Syedna Jafer-ul-Mansur.
(c) Books by Abi Yaqubi Sajistani.
(d) Books by Abi Hatim-ur-Razi.
3. Books of the following authors are taught this class.
a) By Syedna Muayad Shirazi, Babul-Abwab Chief Pontiff.
b) By Syedna Abi Barkat.
c) By Syedna Badre Jamali.
4. In this class are taught the books of Syedna Hamdud-din Babul-Abwab or the chief pontiff of three Imam 15, 16, and 17.

In the time of our 43rd Dai Sayedna Abde Ali Saifuddin Saheb these books were taught to obtain certain degree of Mulla and Shaikh with a clear written instruction that “The Mashaikh should be selected based on their scholarship, piety, and religious devotion. Thus selected Mashaikh first raised to the degree of Mukasir then to the post of Mazoon and then to the exalted post of Dai.

We all know that today’s Dai or Mazoon or Mukasir or even various Shaiks have not gone through this prescribed course and training. Therefore my question is that: Does any one attached to the Saifee Daras (Jamiyah Saifiyah) Surat or any one out from there know what is been taught today?
Only knowledgeable persons should reply. Please refrain from casting adverse remarks, my request.

[babu]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
Only knowledgeable persons should reply. Please refrain from casting adverse remarks, my request.

HEHEHEHE

Sir ,
Darte Kyon ho ? BE BRAVE
JAB OKHLI MAI SIR DIYA HAI TO MOOSAL SE KYA DARNA ???
:p

[pro_pig]

br insaf so what r u trying to say? r u planning to go to jamiya.

[profrog]

hey snake(insaap) what is your standing in the community that you dare ask such questions to us your value is less then that of a scorpion or snake(which you will become ) taari awkat maa reh ane duniya maa ane jahnnam ma jal je

[profrog]

just by knowing the names of this books does not make you an expert or aalim ,today jamea is much more advanced then before even quran hifz is being taught but that probably is not the answer your poisonous heart wants

[like_minded]

Originally posted by profrog:
just by knowing the names of this books does not make you an expert or aalim ,today jamea is much more advanced then before even quran hifz is being taught but that probably is not the answer your poisonous heart wants

Jamiya- Kothar's Robot manufacturing unit.

[profrog]

like i said this is not the answer the snake(insap) and his like-minded snakes (poisonous type)wanted

[like_minded]

Originally posted by profrog:
like i said this is not the answer the snake(insap) and his like-minded snakes (poisonous type)wanted

frog,

I guess you are a product of Jamiya (Robot), no wonder your heart is filled with hatred and laanat. I pity you.

[profrog]

ya snake for you and your kind i have nothing but but laanat and hatred,to me you are worse then the lowest animals(which you will become soon) and for your info everybody in the world in one form or another has laanat for iblis and his followers which you are maybe not iblis but certainly his like minded followers

[profrog]

ya snake for you and your kind i have nothing but but laanat and hatred,to me you are worse then the lowest animals(which you will become soon) and for your info everybody in the world in one form or another has laanat for iblis and his followers which you are maybe not iblis but certainly his like minded followers

[like_minded]

frog,

I dont blame you for this, This is actually the result of 20+ years of brain-washing by syedna and his thugs.

All you blind followers have learnt just one thing from syedna and that is LAANAT, LAANAT and more LAANAT.

I pity you

[like_minded]

Reasoning and understanding is beyond you guys.

[profrog]

its you who deserves the pity of the world because of what will happeen to you but you will not even get that,just as iblis got the time from allah to do hia work till qayamat you progs also have your time now but its running out,then we will see who deserves the pity, this laanat is very small compared to what will happen to you,ask your ilmi like minded snake insaaf to enlighten you

[like_minded]

I admire your forecasting knowledge!!

[S. Insaf]

Dear Friends,
I was in Zanpa Bazar Surat very near to Jamiyah in Feb 2005 for World Reformist Conference and used to take my breakfast in a Muslim Hotel 'Mohammadi' outside Jamiya where lots of male and also female students come for eating. I talked them in groups and individually but they could not tell me "What is taught in Jamiyah." May be they were afraid to disclose. May be they did not know what to say. I was there for 11 days doing this exercise but could know nothing.
The community spends a lot of money on Jamiyah and hundreds of Bohra youngsters get admitted there every year. They remain there for years at the age when they can learn something fruitful outside and their carier and life. Is it not fair to know what happens to them in those years they spend in Jamiyah? After all it is seat of higher learning. But few of the Amils and Mashaikhs who claim to be teachers in Jamiyah were found by me so ignorants of our religion and faith that I decided to know what is taught in Jamiyah.
Please treat this seriously.

[accountability]

Brother Insaaf: as you said, that zaboor and torah are taught in jamea, I wonder where did it come from. Torah is in hebrew, only a few jews in upper hierarchy of jewish religion have their hands on. The available version of Torah is highly edited one.

[pro_pig]

r u planning to enroll in jamiyah or u planning your grandson to enroll so he cannot be like u.

[S. Insaf]

Brother Accountibity,
You are right. It is included in the Prose section right from the begining.
2. Prose :
Hadis-i-Bani Israel.
Kitabut Torat.
Kitabuz-Zabur.
Nahjul-Balagh by Moulana Ali
Shahabun-Nabavi
Khatabate-Rasulil-Lah
Kitabut-Tazkirt
Baloher and Buzasuf.

[babu]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
Dear Friends,
I was in Zanpa Bazar Surat ----------------------------- to know what is taught in Jamiyah.
Please treat this seriously.

Sir ,
Bored from Udaipur ?? so jumped on Jamea Topic .

Or your policy is :-

AISI BAANI BOLIYE , JAM KAR JHAGRAA HOYE !
ULAJHNA US SE NA KABHI JO TUM SE TAGDAA HOYE !!

[S. Insaf]

According to Dr. Brown's Literary History of Persia, "since it was compusary for Imam, Dai and his associates to have through knowledge of other religions and worldy science too the principle books of all religions were translated in Arabic by sholars during 14th Imam Muiz-billah time (952-975 A.D.). All impotant books from different parts of the world were purchased for Cairo Libraries at a tremendous cost. The Fatimite Library of Cairo contained 1,000,0000 volumes elegantly transcribed and bound."
So I suppose the Torat must also be translated then.
I think the Torat is also called old testament and I have read it in English.
Brother Pro-Pig,
Please see our Imams and earlier Dai like Sayedna Hatim whose sholarship and literary contributions are remarkable.

[BB]

Br. Insaaf

I appreciate your knowledge about fatimi daawat...
I really want to know how can you expect to have knowledgeble Shiekhs and Mullahs when they have been given this title not based on thier education background but based on payment of a sum .....I know many mullah nkd and even Shiekhs they used to be heavy drunkard and now by paying some cash they have become mullah or shiekh.If you ask them to read Quran they won't be able to read it properly forget about the meaning...

I think you are expecting too much from our community members...PLEASE LET THEM ENJOY 2 KHARAS AND 2 MITHAS..

[tahir]

Originally posted by babu:

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
[qb]

AISI BAANI BOLIYE , JAM KAR JHAGRAA HOYE !
ULAJHNA US SE NA KABHI JO TUM SE TAGDAA HOYE !!

jaman khai ne tagdaa babu bhai,
You mean you have more fairytales from Udaipur?

PS: Please do a spell check. Thank you.

[babu]

Yes ,
1 st March ????????????

[SBM]

Babu Bhayya
You didnot make any sense by putting 1st MARCH......
NOT THAT YOU EVER MADE ANY SENSE BUT THIS IS GETTING CLASSIC :p

[babu]

Just wait and watch the next post of Mr. Insaaf ... he will tell u about it.

[tahir]

babu bhaiyya,
Its you who wait most eagerly for Mr Insaaf's posts. Infact you are here solely for him and keep pleading him to post everytime. The rest of us already know the truth.

[babu]

This message board is just a timepass for us , but it is passion for you guys ,and yes "Kuch Ki to dukandaari bhi isi se chal rahi hai " ( You know them very well so no need to give their names here )

[SBM]

Originally posted by babu:
This message board is just a timepass for us , )

This shows that you have no life and no other social contacts. If this is your timepass, May Allah help you.

[tahir]

Originally posted by babu:
This message board is just a timepass for us , but it is passion for you guys ,and yes "Kuch Ki to dukandaari bhi isi se chal rahi hai " ( You know them very well so no need to give their names here )

And whats your passion- phook , jaman, waaz and becoming fodder for Syedna's dukandari.. ...I am glad I don't have that 'passion'

[pro_pig]

tahir we (dawoodi bohra) care for u one fish can spoil the whole river i am thanks to allah that he made u prog dawoodi bohra and u and all yours fellows never come back