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Aga Khan and or his followers

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Unread post by saif » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:01 pm

This is for some of the jealous members who contribute to the Message Board and have an obsession or fettish to bad-mouth Aga Khan and or his followers, such as the likes of Muslim First, anajmi and others who impersonate "Akberali Maherali", bleed!!!!!!!

The dogs and bitches will bark but the elephants will continue with their selfless nobility and good deeds.

"The Only True Muslim and Truly The Greatest Human Of Our Times, after Mahatama Gandhi The Aga Khan Himself" Taipei Times

The Aga Khan is one of the richest, and most secretive, men in the world
and a rival of Bill Gates in philanthropy

By G. PASCAL ZACHARY
NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE , NEW YORK
Sunday, Jul 08, 2007

The Aga Kahn's long-term investment in Uganda Fishnet Manufacturers in Kampala helped to start a fish-farming industry in the country. The fishnet factory is the only such operation in East Africa.

He is a moderate Muslim religious leader and a descendant of the Prophet Mohammed. He is also a twice-married jet-setter, and he owns hundreds of racehorses, valuable stud farms, an exclusive yacht club on Sardinia and a lavish estate near Paris.

He has poured money into poorer, neglected parts of the world, often into businesses as basic as making fish nets, plastic bags and matches, while also teaming up with private equity powerhouses like the Blackstone Group on a huge US$750 million hydroelectric system in Uganda.

And as he tries to present a less threatening face of Islam on the global business stage during a time of war, the Aga Khan - one of the world's wealthiest Muslim investors - preaches the ethical acquisition and use of wealth and financial aid that promotes economic self-reliance among developing countries and their poorest people.
In a rare interview, the Aga Khan, who is chairman of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, a for-profit company based in Geneva, says he is more concerned with the long-term outcomes of his investments than with short-term profits. Rather than fretting daily over the bottom line, he says, he tries to ensure that his businesses become self-sustaining and achieve stability, which he defines as 'operational break-even,' within a 'logical time frame.'

'If you travel the developing world, you see poverty is the driver of tragic despair, and there is the possibility that any means out will be taken,' he says in a telephone interview from Paris. By assisting the poor through business, he says, 'we are developing protection against extremism.'

The company's main purpose 'is to contribute to development,' he adds. 'It is not a capitalist enterprise that aims at declaring dividends to its shareholders.' Central to his ethos is the notion that his investments can prompt other forms of economic growth within a country or region that results in greater employment and hope for the poor.
Economic developments experts say the Aga Khan's activities offer a useful template for others - including philanthropists like Bill Gates and George Soros - who are trying to assist the world's poorest by marrying business practices to social goals, but whose foundation work usually stops short of owning businesses outright in poor countries.

Britain's Prince Charles, left, chats with the Paris-based Aga Khan during their visit to a 900-year-old fort in the northern Afghan village of Altit, Nov. 3, 2006. The Aga Khan maintains close ties to influential leaders from all walks of life.
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Paul Collier, an economist at Oxford University who specializes in the problems of poor countries, says he believes that aid agencies could benefit from operating more like venture capitalists - and more like the Aga Khan. 'He gets a multiplier effect from his investments that's really lacking in foreign aid,' Collier says. 'I'm impressed with his way of accepting risk and thinking long term.'


At the same time, the Aga Khan embodies many of the conflicting social and financial tides sweeping the global economy. He is the spiritual leader of the Ismaili Muslim sect, but he is also surrounded by unusual material riches - none of which he or his followers see as a contradiction.
'The Aga Khan is making a significant contribution that people too often underestimate' Praful Patel, a vice president in Central Asia for the World Bank

The Aga Khan concedes that he owns two jets, but says that he drives an Audi and that his yacht is 25 years old. Ismailis 'wouldn't like to see him living the life of a pauper - we want him to live a decent, an affluent life,' says Kris Janowski, the Aga Khan's spokesman. Janowski adds that the imam is 'surprised that anyone would apply the word 'lavish' to his lifestyle because he doesn't see it as lavish.'
Part of the Aga Khan's personal wealth, which his advisers say exceeds $1 billion, comes from a dizzyingly complex system of tithes that some of the world's 15 million Ismaili Muslims pay him each year - an amount that he won't disclose but which may reach hundreds of millions of US dollars annually.
The Aga Khan, 70, has had unconditional control of this money since his grandfather placed him in his position 50 years ago. He has invested those resources in a free-form portfolio of 90 businesses that employ more than 36,000 people. These holdings include five-star hotels, mobile phone companies and an airline, but most are small and medium-size enterprises in Central Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.

'The Aga Khan is making a significant contribution that people too often underestimate - many of his investments have become huge successes, but he's not driven by profit,' says Praful Patel, a vice president in Central Asia for the World Bank. 'He's treated like a head of state, has access to the highest levels in any country and his gravitas is worth a lot. It allows his outfit to succeed in investments where others cannot.'
The Aga Khan was born Prince Karim in 1936 in Geneva. He grew up in Nairobi during World War II, and he attended a Swiss boarding school before he was named imam at age 20.
There have been 49 Ismaili imams over the centuries, but only three previous Aga Khans, a title the king of Persia bestowed on the family in the 1830s. The third - the current Aga Khan's grandfather - was Sir Sultan Mahomed Shah Aga Khan, a legendary figure in colonial India who later moved to Britain and served as a president of the League of Nations.

Upon his death in 1957, Shah Aga Khan's will instructed that his son (the current Aga Khan's father), Aly Khan, be passed over in favor of his grandson, Prince Karim, who was studying Islamic history at Harvard at the time.
That the Aga Khan attended secular universities, wore Western dress and espoused Western values reflected his sect's historical need to adapt to varying cultures. The Ismailis are a minority within the minority Shia branch of Islam and have experienced frequent persecution through the centuries; as recently as the 1990s, the Taliban in Afghanistan persecuted Ismailis.

Over the centuries, as the Ismailis dispersed across Asia and Africa and later Europe and North America, they often adopted Western ways. This invited criticism from other Muslims, who questioned how someone could wear a suit and still call himself an imam. But Ismailis say they see no conflict between Westernization and their faith.
'The central trait of their long history is a remarkable tendency to acculturate to different contexts,' says Ali Asani, a professor of Indo-Muslim languages and culture at Harvard and an Ismaili.
The Aga Khan's fluency in Western ways - and what he describes as his desire to show that 'an imam's responsibilities include caring for the quality of life of the people who he leads, including their economic progress' - animated his first major business venture, the start of a media company in Nairobi in 1961. 'The origin of this exercise was the need at the time of British withdrawal from Eastern Africa to have African politics explained to the African public in African terms,' he says. 'There was no independent media in the region at the time, so we had a delicate mandate but a necessary one.'
Over time, his Nairobi company, the Nation Media Group, became the most successful media concern in East Africa, with print, radio and television properties in Tanzania and Uganda as well. The company is profitable and considered among the most professional in Africa, while also offering a voice to government critics.
'If he was a non-sophisticated, profit-only guy, these newspapers and broadcasters would not be the independent voices for the public good that they are,' says Andrew Mwenda, a radio commentator and a newspaper columnist in Kampala, the Ugandan capital.
The 1970s and 1980s were difficult times for the Aga Khan's businesses, most of which were in Africa. African leaders nationalized industries. Civil wars broke out. And economies contracted or collapsed. In East Africa, where a large number of Ismailis lived, African leaders blamed outsiders for their troubles. The government evicted most Ismailis from Uganda, while Ismailis in Central Asia suffered under Soviet repression of religious groups.
'The Cold War was prominent on my horizon all the time,' the Aga Khan recalls. 'The question I was asking all the time: 'What is going to happen after the Cold War ends?' It wasn't going to be eternal. So we stayed engaged and waited.'
With the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Cold War did end, and the Aga Khan saw fresh opportunities to energize and expand his Ismaili institutions. In Tajikistan in Central Asia, where many Ismailis lived, a civil war created an urgent need for outside assistance, and the Aga Khan rushed charitable resources into the country. More recently, he has invested in power generation and a mobile phone company there.
In Uganda, decades of civil war and social collapse came to an end when Yoweri Museveni consolidated political power in the early 1990s. Museveni personally appealed to the Aga Khan to encourage Ismailis to return to Uganda, promising to restore all their properties seized by the deposed dictator, Idi Amin. Many Ismailis returned to Uganda, and so did the Aga Khan's business.
'Uganda is still lacking big-time investors, and the Aga Khan provides some of that,' says Moses Byaruhanga, a political adviser to Museveni.
Today, Uganda is home to some of the Aga Khan's most ambitious business enterprises. He owns the country's largest pharmaceutical company, a tannery, a bank and an insurance company.
And then there is the fish net factory. On a spring morning in Kampala, amid the pounding noise of textile machines spinning nylon into sturdy nets, Karen Veverica, an aquaculture expert with Auburn University, cradles in her arms a new net, made to her specifications by the Aga Khan's factory. The net is part of her campaign, financed by the US Agency for International Development, to help jump-start a fish-farming industry in Uganda.
'Fish farmers can't just grow fish out of the blue,' she says. 'To get fish out of the pond, we need a net like this.'
Making new types of nets represents a classic economic development quandary: there is no demand for the nets, yet without them fish farming cannot take off. New nets, in short, are an unlikely 'enabling technology' that might spur growth in the local economy. But it requires patient investors.
'We can take a decision like this because we think long term,' Mahmood Ahmed, the Aga Khan's representative in Uganda, says of the nets. 'We won't enter a business without the promise of profit, but we have more considerations than profit.'
While fish nets are decidedly small potatoes, the same approach applies to the US$750 million hydroelectric system that the Aga Khan is developing in Uganda. The project, at Bujagali Falls on the Nile River, is the largest project ever undertaken by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, known by its acronym, Akfed.
Despite vast unmet needs for electricity in the region, the Bujagali project is one that few capitalists would touch, partly 'because the big global power companies have shunned Africa, fearing risks,' says Kevin Kariuki, who was born in Kenya and is a senior executive in the Aga Khan's infrastructure unit. 'The American electricity companies aren't going to come. The Europeans will stick to their home markets. We want to be the developer of choice in this part of the world, and Bujagali creates an opportunity for us.'
In what analysts describe as one of the most innovative electrification campaigns in Africa, the Aga Khan's infrastructure group is building a series of inexpensive 'minihydro' systems around very small dams. They provide electricity to parts of Uganda where the national electricity grid does not reach.
The poor West Nile region of the country now has electricity 18 hours a day, compared with its previous schedule of just four hours every other day. And prices for the electricity, which the Aga Khan sells as well as produces, are high enough to generate internal profit rates of more than 10 percent, Kariuki says.
Financing businesses that can spur economic growth in marginal regions is what the Aga Khan says animates many of his investments. That has led him, he says, to forgo the merger-and-acquisition plays of Wall Street, to avoid investing in booming domestic economies like China's and to shy away from charitable giving that is not linked to a clear business goal. He says he prefers to put money into unglamorous enterprises that are engines of employment and have great long-term potential - even if profits aren't immediate.
Ismaili investments occur alongside cultural, educational and health initiatives, carried out by various units of the Aga Khan's development network. Spending on these non-business activities can run into the hundreds of millions of US dollars annually, Semin Abdulla, a spokeswoman, says. (She says the group's charitable giving will amount to about US$320 million this year.) The Aga Khan Development Network, formed 10 years ago, looks for synergy between its business and philanthropic activities.
Mixing business and charity, while long at odds with mainstream capitalist practice, is growing in prominence, making the Aga Khan an unlikely innovator.
'If you can get capital that's partly philanthropic, you can help reach a lot of people,' says Mark Kramer, managing director of FSG Social Impact Advisers, a consulting firm in Boston. 'In many cases, businesses are much better positioned to deliver sustained social benefits than charities.'
Evaluating the effectiveness of the Aga Khan's charitable network is difficult because neither the network nor Akfed publishes any performance data. But analysts who are conversant with Akfed and its finances say that the investor deserves credit for taking risks and backing projects that might otherwise not attract any private support.
After the US started an offensive against the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, he stepped in with private investments, including building both the first five-star hotel in Kabul and Roshan, the leading mobile phone company.
Roshan has 1.3 million subscribers and is adding 60,000 a month. The Afghan government gets 6 percent of its tax revenue from the company, Abdulla says. Roshan says it employs 900 people, about 180 of whom are women.
'In Afghanistan, the Aga Khan is creating an enabling environment for business,' says Patel at the World Bank. 'While producing results, these are early days. It's too soon to see a payoff from his investments.'
That does not bother the Aga Khan. Building businesses, he says, 'is part of the ethics of the faith.'

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anajmi
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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:18 pm

saif,

If instead of all this, you can post one ayah of the quran as interpreted by the Aga Khan, I promise you I will stop harassing the Ismailis. Try and see if you can get 4:34.

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:04 pm

Originally posted by anajmi:
saif,

If instead of all this, you can post one ayah of the quran as interpreted by the Aga Khan, I promise you I will stop harassing the Ismailis. Try and see if you can get 4:34.
YOU Anusmi are too thick and dumb to understand. I repeat myself to your pea brain. WE do not thump our Qurans. HE will interpret it if and when time arises. But for you idiots, let history be the proof of cruelty and evil of your brethren the WWF..........(World Wahhabi Fanatics) ...LALOL!! (Wahhabi scream of pleasure!!)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:26 pm

HE will interpret it if and when time arises.
If that is the case then why are the Ismaili idiots jumping up and down for something that they don't have?

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Unread post by saif » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:29 pm

anajmi:

Interpreting the Holy Quran (its judgemental and opiniated any ways, according the mindset and ulterior motive of the interpreter rather than factual or scientifc basis) ONLY does not alleviate the world poverty, hunger, illiteracy, infringement of rights etc.

The following work by the Aga Khani Ismailis will illustrate to you how the research in Islamic studies (not only the interpretation of the Holy Quran for the sake of it) is helping mankind and Islam. I don't hold any brief for the Isamaili Aga Khanis as I am a born Bohri, who can compare and contrast the work, if any, being done by the Bohris in this respect.

The Institute’s Department of Academic Research and Publications (DARP) carries out research in a diversity of areas. In its research programme, the Institute aims to serve a number of constituencies, including the Ismaili community, the academic community and the interested general public. In light of these considerations, the overall objective of the Institute’s research activities is to establish itself as an important centre of Islamic studies in general and Shi‘i and Ismaili studies in particular.

In addition to research, the IIS engages in a variety of academic activities, including publications and organisation of seminars, conferences and public lectures.
In recent decades, the field of Ismaili studies has been revolutionized due to the recovery and study of genuine Ismaili sources on a large scale. These sources, representing diverse literary and intellectual traditions, had hitherto been secretly preserved in private collections of manuscripts in India, Pakistan, Central Asia, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen.
In the area of Ismaili studies, the Institute is a point of reference. This is attained not only by undertaking projects in the field, but also by serving as a forum of research for scholars. More specifically the IIS produces, through the efforts of its faculty, or by commissioning eminent external scholars, publications which appear in the Ismaili Heritage Series, or the Ismaili Texts and Translations Series; both these series are under the general editorship of Dr. Farhad Daftary.

The Institute’s scholars also contribute articles to a number of major encyclopaedias, including The Encyclopaedia of Islam and Encyclopaedia Iranica.

The IIS is involved in the preparation of catalogues of manuscripts in the collections of the Institute's Library, with the objective of making these collections known to scholars and students throughout the world. These catalogues also serve to establish close relations between the Institute and other academic institutions and libraries.

To make the publications of the Institute accessible to broader, and non-English speaking audiences, they are selectively translated into Persian, Arabic, Urdu and other languages.
In conducting its research activities, the IIS draws on its own faculty, which has expanded steadily to ten in the year 2000. In addition, some eminent contemporary Islamicists currently aid the Institute as Senior Research Fellows, including Professors Mohammed Arkoun and Wilferd Madelung. Furthermore, numerous external scholars regularly participate in the Institute’s research, publication and teaching activities
The Institute of Ismaili Studies currently offers two graduate programmes which attract students from world-wide Ismaili communities: the Graduate Programme in Islamic Studies and Humanities (GPISH) and the Secondary Teacher Education Programme (STEP).

The Graduate Programme in Islamic Studies and Humanities is a three-year post-graduate programme. This includes a two-year residential component comprising a course of study at The Institute of Ismaili Studies followed by a third year non-residential component during which students pursue a Masters degree in a field of study resonant with the goals of the Graduate Programme at a degree-granting university.
The Secondary Teacher Education Programme is a two year course of study for both practicing and prospective teachers. In collaboration with the University of London’s Institute of Education, the programme prepares individuals to support the implementation of the secondary religious education curriculum being developed by the IIS for Ismaili communities worldwide. The experience gained from classroom teaching and master’s-level studies will also prepare course participants for future careers as educational leaders either within the AKDN network or at other educational institutions.

In addition, the IIS offers a Doctoral Scholarship Programme and other preparatory programmes for current and prospective students in different parts of the world.
In pursuit of its mandate, the Institute promotes scholarship and learning on Islam through a variety of programmes and activities. These include a range of publications intended for specialists, the general public, as well as adult audiences and young people.

The Institute’s Department of Academic Research and Publications facilitates original research and publications of works by its faculty, as well as scholars from outside the Institute. These fall into several different categories such as occasional papers, monographs, editions, translations, conference proceedings and bibliographical works.

The Institute’s Department of Education is concerned with the development of an international educational programme, Ta‘lim, on the faith, history and cultures of the Muslim peoples, with particular reference to the Ismaili community. It is presented through a series of teaching and learning materials for Ismaili Muslim students and teachers in several languages.

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:33 pm

Originally posted by anajmi:
HE will interpret it if and when time arises.
If that is the case then why are the Ismaili idiots jumping up and down for something that they don't have?
Exactly......WE DONT have that problem. And if it is there, like in ALL societies, than that is CRIMINAL, not in the name Of Islam. "kuch aaya samajh mein?"

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:41 pm

Interpreting the Holy Quran (its judgemental and opiniated any ways, according the mindset and ulterior motive of the interpreter rather than factual or scientifc basis) ONLY does not alleviate the world poverty, hunger, illiteracy, infringement of rights etc.
saif,

Obviously, you have no idea about what the quran says about poverty, hunger, illiteracy, infringement of rights etc do you? Besides, if the Hazar Imam were to interpret that quran, don't you think we would avoid the hurdles that you described like judgemental and opiniated any ways, according the mindset and ulterior motive of the interpreter rather than factual or scientifc basis. Or do we just bow down in front of him because he has donated money to alleviate hunger for an infinitessimal % of the world's hungry, while living a life of luxury in a palace, and forget about Allah who takes care of the rest?

If I had a bunch of idiots considering me to be their Imam and giving me their hard earned money, I would've done some charity too, if for nothing else then to make sure that the money keeps coming in.

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Unread post by pardesi » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:04 pm

Originally posted by anajmi:


If I had a bunch of idiots considering me to be their Imam and giving me their hard earned money, I would've done some charity too, if for nothing else then to make sure that the money keeps coming in.
Setting conditions to do charity huh! You wouldn't give your own fever to someone in charity, let alone money.

Please Anajmi, why do you feel compelled to answer every post. May be thats why your posting #s are so high. I bet half of those are in vein. Are you actually trying to get your rating high?

I told you earlier and I say it again, take a couple of days off and then come back for some wagging.

Nooooooo Anajmi, son, dont reply. Nope. No. I said NO.

Good boy! Here have some bones. Good doggy.

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:31 pm

Originally posted by pardesi:
Originally posted by anajmi:
Setting conditions to do charity huh! You wouldn't give your own fever to someone in charity, let alone money.

Please Anajmi, why do you feel compelled to answer every post. May be thats why your posting #s are so high. I bet half of those are in vein. Are you actually trying to get your rating high?

I told you earlier and I say it again, take a couple of days off and then come back for some wagging.

Nooooooo Anajmi, son, dont reply. Nope. No. I said NO.

Good boy! Here have some bones. Good doggy.
Be careful now.....calling someone a Dog in Wahhabi is not halal!!LALOL!! (Wahhabi shriek of satisfatcion)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:41 am

Please Anajmi, why do you feel compelled to answer every post.
You should ask yourself that question. Besides, I have the task of taking on a bunch of Ismailis, 10 or even 20 at a time. Remember, wolves always attack in packs.

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Unread post by saif » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:27 am

anajmi:

You barked again!!?

"Besides, I have the task of taking on a bunch of Ismailis, 10 or even 20 at a time."

Didn't somebody tell you that this is NOT a Progressive Aga Khani Ismaili or Akberali Maherali website. Read my lips. What part of "PROGRESSIVE DAWOODI BOHRAS" you do not understand. Or is it, by your own admission, elsewhere on this message board, that your "brain is fried".

There is a rumour that you went to a
neuro-surgeon for your above ailment and he duly advised you the good news and the bad news about your brain that the right side of your brain is vacant and the left is empty. You were so happy when you returned home that you ran to mummy and announced that: " Mummy, Mummy, good news, my brain surgeon advised me that I do have a brain!!"

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:50 am

Well, I guess I will have to change the numbers to a dozen to two dozen and include some progressive bohras and kafirs as well. The wolf pack just got bigger.

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Unread post by Salahuddin Bin Musa » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:52 am

We begin with the Name of Allaah

"Aga Khan" Is a Pet Name and not a Royal Title: "Aqa" (also, Agha or Aga) is a word, said to be of Tatar origin, signifying a dignitary or lord. The term was applied by the Turks to the chief of the janissaries. "Khan," now degraded by its overuse, was a title of nobility, and was also used for a local ruler or official. "Aga Khan" is the adopted family name of a hereditary spiritual leader (Imam) of the Shiah Nizari Ismailis. One of the many legends that have circulated about this mysterious religious leader is that the title of "Aga Khan" was conferred by the Emperor of Persia upon the great-great- grandfather of the present Aga Khan, for his dedicated services to the throne. On the contrary, Hassan Ali Shah Mahallati Aga Khan I (1804-81), was an unsuccessful insurgent. A one-time governor of Kirman in Persia, he had "proclaimed an independent government." In the opinion of Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821- 90), a noted orientalist and British spy; the attempt at rebellion against the reigning sovereign was "ridiculous."

In 1905, during a trial in the High Court of Bombay, Hassan's grandson, Aga Khan III, testified before Justice Russell that "Aga Khan" was "not a title but a sort of `alias,' a pet name when Hassan Ali was a young man." The pet name was later adopted as a hereditary family name by the succeeding Imams, who also claim to be the direct descendants of prophet Muhammad (sas).

In his autobiography, `Ibrat-afza, written in Persian and published in Bombay, Hassan narrated his several unsuccessful military encounters in Persia, in which he had been aided by the British Raj. According to Sir Richard Burton, he had received weapons in quantity from John Company (British), including at least two heavy field pieces (cannons).

In 1840, accompanied by a few hundred horsemen, the "adventurous and romantic" Hassan (Aga Khan I), fled Persia. The defeated political refugee, sought and found sanctuary under the protection of the British Raj. Upon his arrival in Afghanistan, Hassan provided the mercenary services of his horsemen to the British army. In his memoirs, Hassan spelled out his reasons for joining the invading army of the British Raj in the conquest of Afghanistan and Sind from Muslim rulers. Hassan (a Muslim mercenary and so called direct descendant of the prophet!) referred to the British as "the people of God" (khalq 'ullah), and to his role of acting as a secret agent for the British general Sir Charles Napier as "for the sake of God's pleasure" (mahd-i rida-yi ilahi).

Nearly a century later, Hassan's grandson, Aga Khan III, was proud to record in his own Memoirs the mercenary services of his grandfather, which he described as "stout assistance" rendered to the British Raj in their process of imperialistic expansion. "For
these services and for others which he rendered to Sir Charles Napier in his conquest of Sind in 1843-4, my grandfather received a pension from the British Government." Hassan's ambitions of recovering his lost territories from the Shah of Persia, with the help of "the people of God" (the British), were never fulfilled. However, he did receive a hereditary title of "Highness" which the present Karim Aga Khan uses with pride.

1866: A British Court Seals the Fate of a Sunni Muslim Community

Under the protection of and with aid from the British Raj, Aga Hassan Ali Shah - Aga Khan I, successfully established his religious authority over a small Muslim "Khojah" community of converted Hindus that lived on the west coast of India. The majority of these converts had adopted Sunni persuasion, the faith of their original converters to Islam. These Sheikhs - the converters, are presently known as "Pirs of Khojahs" by the Ismailis.

Aga Hassan Ali Shah wrote in his autobiography `Ibrat-afza' that he was himself a `Murid' of a Sufi Master Mast `Ali Shah (Haji Zayn al-`Abidin Shirwani), who was a successor to Majdhub `Ali Shah, the thirty-eighth Qutub of the `Ata Alllah Sufi Order. Hassan Ali Shah initiated a new era in the history of these converted mostly Sunni "Khojah" Muslims. Ismaili history books records that in 1864, he removed the officiating Sunni "Mullah" from the Khojah Mosque in Bombay and replaced him with a Shiah "Maulvi". In 1866, the fate of this "Khojah" Muslim community was sealed when a British judge, Sir Joseph Arnold, passed judgment in favour of the Aga Khan on all points, declaring him the undisputed religious leader of the "Khojah" community giving him the absolute control over all communal property, including prayer houses and burial grounds.This was a turning point in the history of the Khojah community.

Historical records and the court documents filed by the Aga Khan's counsel show that prior to the arrival of the Aga Khan, the majority of the Khojahs observed Sunni rites and rituals, with religious ceremonies carried out by Sunni Mullahs. After receiving the necessary mandate, Hassan began proselytizing the Khojah community. These documents also record that Hassan guided them to the creed of his ancestors, which was an Ithna'ashriyyah persuasion of the Shiah sect of Islam. Hassan's autobiography records that he himself believed in the Imamat of Musa Kazim (the younger brother of Ismail) and his descendants. Majority of the historians record that Imam Ismail died within the life time of his father Imam Jaffer as Sadiq. Today, the present Aga Khan claims to be the designated hereditary direct descendant of Imam Ismail. This is a major noteworthy glaring shift, within the last four generations of the Aga Khans.

Ismaili historians have recorded that until as late as 1874 (34 years after his arrival in India), the Aga Khan's authority as a religious leader was sharply opposed by some influential wealthy members of the community. His followers in Bombay objected to "his too great predilection for drinking and intriguing with females," according to Sir Richard Burton.

In 1881, Hassan died and was succeeded by his son Aga Ali Shah. His leadership lasted for a brief period of four years with no major events. His interests in life were horse breeding, racing, and big-game hunting. In 1885, Aga Ali Shah died and his eight-year-old son, Sultan Muhammad Shah, became Aga Khan III and the new leader of the community. The young Imam's mother, Lady Ali Shah, who was a very devoted Ithna'ashri Muslimah, became a trustee and, behind the scenes, acting leader of the community. She was instrumental in the introduction of various Ithna'ashriyyah rituals in the community. Some of these rituals are currently prevalent as a legacy of Lady Ali Shah who died in 1938.

Aga Khan III, an International Politician

In 1898, the young Aga Khan undertook his first tour of Europe. On his way, he approached Sultan Abdul Hamid of the Ottoman Empire with "an elaborate plan for colonization." The statement submitted was prepared by Rabbi Kahn. The plan was based upon Aga Khan's Zionist friend Professor Haffkine's masterpiece scheme for the establishment of a Jewish settlement "that could be progressively undertaken in the Holy Land." Dr. Haffkine had suggested before Aga Khan that "the land would be obtained by purchase from the Sultan's subjects" whereas " the capital was to be provided by wealthier members of the Jewish community."

Aga Khan, who claimed to be an Imam and a direct descendant of the prophet, wrote in his Memoirs: "As Haffkine propounded it, I thought this sort of Zionism useful and practical." The scheme was turned down by the Sultan. The disappointed Aga Khan wrote: "I must say its rejection has always seemed to me one of Abdul Hamid's greatest blunders." Today, looking at what is happening in Palestine, I but cannot refrain from quoting a passage from the Ismaili Du'a (ritual prayer), with a bewilderment and a doubt. The passage recited is a "fragmented" portion of the verse 36:12 of the Holy Qur'ân. The translation thereof, as it appears in the Du'a book including the words within the parentheses, reads: "And We have vested (the knowledge and authority) of everything in the manifest Imam."

As long as the British Raj ruled in India, "the secret services of the Aga Khan III were in constant demand." He was an "Ambassador without Portfolio" for the British. In his Memoirs, he proudly referred to such services as "secret diplomatic missions." Besides several other titles, he received "the highest decoration which it was possible for any Indian subject of the Crown to receive (K.G.C.S.I.)," records Aga Khan.

In 1930, the Aga Khan led the British Indian delegation to the Round Table conference held in London. In 1934, following the Second Round Table conference, the Aga Khan approached the British Government of India with a request to give him a territorial State so that he could join the company of Indian Maharajahs and Princes. Sultan Muhammad Shah - Aga Khan the third, was greatly disappointed when his offer was rejected by the Mcdonald government. In 1937, he represented the British Indian government in the League of Nations. Thereafter, he was elected president of this prestigious international organization.

In 1989, United States Federal Agents arrested three groups of Agakhani Ismailis in Dallas, Seattle and New York on the charges of illegal money-laundering. A total of thirteen Ismailis, eleven men and two women were charged. Five pleaded guilty. The illegal money-laundering operation stretched from United States to London and Switzerland, as well as from United States to Canada, London and Belgium. This was the largest money-laundering operation ever uncovered in North Texas and one of the largest in USA.

Vincent Perini, a lawyer representing one of the Ismaili Mukhis (the chief representative of the community), who had illegally taken more than US$ 30 million in currency out of USA, between 1985 and 1987, said; the sect's members are required to give 12 percent to 25 percent of pre-tax income to the Aga Khan, a billionaire resident of Paris. "Traditionally, members of the community literally take the money in the form of cash to the Aga Khan, and traditionally there was secrecy involved," added Perini.

Aga Khan's three Marriages and one Mut`ah

At young age, Aga Khan fell in love with his uncle's beautiful daughter, Shahzadi Begum. In 1896, the marriage between Shahzadi and Sultan (A.K.III) was celebrated with grandeur and splendour in Poona (India). Mihir Bose records in his much publicized book `The Aga Khans'; "The Aga was seeking to make his mark as an Anglicized Indian in Western society, and his wife, brought up in strict Jenana quarters could hardly follow there. As the Aga moved into the wide world, his wife languished in the closed world, full of `resentment and reproach'."

In 1908, Aga Khan who had left his beautiful wife back home, lost his heart to a pubescent teenage ballerina "Ginetta" (Miss Magliano), during his visit to France. In his `Memoirs' Aga Khan wrote: "I made the acquaintance of Mlle. There is a Magliano, one of
the most promising young dancers of the Ballet Opera of Monte Carlo, a ballerina..." In his Will document, Aga Khan wrote: "In the year One thousand nine hundred and eight I was married to CLEOPE TERESA MAGLIANO according to the Muta form of marriage..."
In `The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam' under the heading Mut`ah, one reads; "Mut`ah: A marriage stipulated to be temporary, sometimes called a `marriage of pleasure'."

Out of this union of a French Ballerina and a Persian Imam, two sons were born. Giussepe Mahdi Khan the eldest, died in 1911.Aly Salomone Khan who lived to be a legendary playboy, was the second. In the archives of the Turin town hall (Italy), there exists a record of the birth of Aly Salomone from the union of an unmarried 22 years old Teresa, with 34 years old His Highness the Aga Khan.

In 1903, Aga Khan sent Aly Khan to Syria to visit his followers with his special `Holy Farman'. The Farman pronounced; "We are sending our son to you. Consider his arrival as my arrival. We are appointing our Prince as our `Wali-ahad' meaning, the successor to our throne." Members of the Syrian Jama'at took Bay'ah (oath of allegiance) at the hand of their future Imaam and offered Nazrana (gifts). Almost every magazine and home of Ismailis in India and Africa had a photo of young Prince dressed in white Arab dress riding a white Arabian horse, taken during his visit to Syria, with captions "H.S.H. Prince Aly Khan Heir Apparent to Mowlana Hazar Imaam".

Within 50 years, the infallible Mowlana Hazar Imaam realized that his `Holy Farman' had to be recanted. The beloved "Wali-ahad" did not live a life expected of a future Imaam. In the June 1995 issue of an American magazine `Vanity Fair', there is a spellbinding twelve page article `The Goddess and the Playboy' describing the "relentless pursuit of speed, sport, and women" by Prince Aly Khan. Aga Khan by his Will document, without making a
mention of his earlier pronouncement, made Aly Khan's son Karim as his successor to the throne of Imamate.

This recantation surprised his followers all over the world.They began asking questions; Did the infallible Mowlana Hazar Imaam really erred? Can the 1400 years old Ismaili tradition and the Shiah Law "that the issue of a son is not an heir if there be a son
alive", be broken? According to the deep rooted Ismaili tradition and uncompromising conviction, Hazar Imaam's "Holy Farmans" are to be reckoned as the verses of the "Speaking Qur'an". At any given time and place they can supersede the verses of the so called "Silent or Book Qur'an". Based upon this conviction, the majority of the Agakhani Ismailis have done away with most essential basic Qur'anic Laws, such as; performing of greater or lesser ablutions before praying, facing towards qiblah while praying, takbir al-ihram, qiyam, ruku, salat al-jum'ah, physical fasting during the month of Ramadhan, hajj as well as the "Oneness" of Kalimah Shahadah.

Biographer Willie Frischauer records in his book `The Aga Khans'; "Bettina (one of Aly's several girl friends) wrote: `To Aly it seemed that his father's preference for his son was a kind of public humiliation for him...He was never quite the same from that day on." When Aly Khan declared that he too had taken the Bay'ah of his own son Karim as his "Hazar Imaam"; Karim became the spiritual father of his own father, according to the Ismaili tradition. In 1960, the mortified Aly Khan was killed in a tragic car crash. He suffered crushed chest, fractured skull, broken neck and legs in that fatal accident.

Aga Khan's third marriage in 1929 was with a French brunette, Andree Carron. Aga Khan's wealth and persuasion failed to convert this Roman Catholic girl to accept Islam. Out of this Muslim and Catholic union was born Aga Khan's third son Sadruddin Khan. In 1938, Aga Khan who was nearly 60, met a tall French beauty contestant named Yvette in Cairo. Six years later, Aga Khan divorced his third wife Andree and married Yvette Lebrusse - "Miss Lyon" 1930 and "Miss Universe" contestant 1931. Aga Khan converted his fourth wife to Islam and named her "Umme Habibah". She accompanied the weak and ailing Aga Khan at all social and religious gatherings.

In 1953, during his visit of Africa, there was "a subversive campaign among members of the sect calling for his and Aly's abdication from their spiritual leadership" records, `Vanity Fair' (June 1995). The campaign grew to such a proportion that at a special meeting of the Ismailia Council, held at the hotel suite of the Aga Khan, a decision was taken that "all members of the East African communities be requested to sign a declaration of loyalty
to the Aga Khan, or be excommunicated if they refused." This was too much of a shock for the old and weakened Aga Khan.

In 1954, Aga Khan was virtually crippled suffering from lumbago and sciatica. He could barely walk two yards, writes Mihir Bose. Three years later, the debilitated and ailing Aga Khan, who was now also suffering from a prolonged cancer, died. His grandson Karim became the 49th Hazar Imaam of the community and `Aga Khan the Fourth' to carry on the family tradition.

A follower forgives sins of the deceased 48th Imam

On November 4, 1935, the High Court of Justice at Strand, London, pronounced a decree nisi dissolving the marriage between Thomas Guinness, a member of the British Parliament, and, his wife Honourable Joan Guinness. Joan later became the mother of Karim Aga Khan the fourth. The grounds mentioned in the divorce petition filed before the High Court were that "the Respondent (Honourable Joan) had frequently committed adultery with Prince Aly S. Khan (father of the unborn Karim) from the 17th day of April 1935 until the 20th day of April 1935 at Hotel Ritz, Place Vendome, Paris."
Note: The words within the parentheses are mine. Aly Khan was declared a co-respondent and had to pay the costs.

Prince Aly eagerly waited for the High Court's decree nisi to be made absolute. On May 11, 1936 the decree became absolute and Joan, the daughter of a former ADC to the Viceroy of India and a mother of one male child, was free to remarry. Within eight days, on May 18, Aly and Joan got married in a Town Hall of Paris. The couple got remarried at the Paris Mosque. At the wedding an announcement was made that the couple would remarry in India. The idea of the third marriage ceremony, to be performed before the followers, had to be abandoned because the Honourable Joan, who was now Princess Joan, was already pregnant, records Mihir Bose.

In less than seven months of their marriage, Prince Joan gave birth to Karim. The historical records differ as to the place and date of Karim Aga Khan's birth. A history book published in 1960 by the Ismailia Association for India records Karim son of Aly S. Khan
was born in Paris. Biographer Willi Frischauer records, he was born in Geneva, Switzerland. Historian Mihir Bose records in his book 'The Aga Khans', Karim was born on 17th December 1936. Ismailis all over the world celebrate their Imam Karim Al-Husseini's birthday on December 13.

Karim, the "ultimate cosmopolite" was born in Europe, raised in Africa, educated in United States and presently resides in France and Switzerland. He is half English aristocrat through his mother, one-quarter Italian through his father's mother and one-quarter Iranian through his grandfather. On July 13, 1957, Karim the Harvard-educated bachelor, by-passed his father and became the 49th Mawlana Hazar Imaam of the Shiah Imami Ismailis and the fourth Aga Khan. The new Imaam took an oath of allegiance from each of his followers that were present in Geneva for the ceremony.

The sprinkling of holy water upon the face of a dead Ismaili and forgiving of his/her sins is an important ritual called "Chhantas". The ceremony is usually carried out before the burial, by a religious leader (Mukhi) of the local Jamatkhana to which the individual belongs. When the deceased Aga Khan was alive he used to collect a small donation, sprinkle the holy water and forgive the sins of his spiritual followers. The present Aga Khan has carried on the family tradition. In Aswan (Egypt), one of the several "Mukhis" that were present for the burial of their late 48th Imaam performed the traditional ceremony. The Qur'an reveals; "...And who can forgive sins except Allah?" 3/135.

Strange it may sound, when the old Aga Khan was suffering from cancer, his wife Begum Ummeh Habibah sent a message to Ismailis the world over, to pray every day in the Jamatkhanas for the recovery of their Imaam to whom they attributed "Divinity". When the body of the late Imaam was to be laid to rest, another message came asking Ismailis the world over, to assemble in their respective Jamatkhanas, precisely at the time when the body was to be lowered in the grave in Aswan, and pray for the departed soul.

On December 13, 1986, Karim Aga Khan ordained a legally drafted Constitution from Geneva which gave him "inherent right and absolute and unfettered power and authority over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters of the Ismaili Muslims." Further
more, the Constitution also defines that Karim Aga Khan's "Farman" ("Any pronouncement, direction, order or ruling made or given by Mawlana Hazar Imaam") "shall prevail over this Constitution, and a later Farman shall prevail over the earlier."

One has but to admit the fact that unlike the divided and disintegrated Islamic Ummah of our era, the Ismailia community which is duty bound by the Ismailia Constitution has apparently and perceivably remained united in spite of all the enigmas and allegations. But, on the other hand the comparison is between a tiny group of less than one and half million Ismailis with the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of 1.2 billion Muslims that is spread from one end of the world to another. The media project figure of between 15 and 18 million followers of Karim Aga Khan is a `ten fold exaggeration' of the actual number.
"
Creditors Chip Away At Aga Khan's Lustre" New York Times.

It is reported that Karim Aga Khan had been articulating; the worst thing that could happen to an individual was to be got trapped in an unhappy marriage. Well it so happened, in October 1969, the articulator who was then thirty-two, got himself trapped. Karim married Sally Frances Croker Poole, an English divorcee. Sally once modeled coats under the slogan `to catch a sheik', records Mihir Bose. The marriage ceremony was performed according to the French Civil Law in a town hall in Paris. Karim changed thename of his bride Sally to Salimah. Thereafter, the duo visited the followers around the world, who were overjoyed to greet the married couple.

Since Karim's grandmother was an Italian, his mother and wife British, one can say that the ancestry of the Ismaili Imaams which originated from Arabia and had relocated in Persia during the post Fatimid period, was now being established in Europe via British India. During his trip of British East Africa, in one of his religious pronouncements ("Farmans"), the 48th Ismaili Imaam while talking of the straight path ("Siratul Mustaqeem"), advised his followers not to "walk" upon the "talks" of Arabs and Moguls (Persian), who happened to be his progenitors. The reason put forward by the anglicised Imaam was; "Arabs are like donkeys" and "Moguls seek alms in every country", what will they teach you? Aga Khan's followers in British East Africa, whose ancestral roots were in India, became anglicized and proudly adopted the English names for their children, such as, John, Jimmy, Tommy, Sam and Mac. However, their family names remained unchanged. They are mostly derived from the names of Hindu idols, such as, Ramji, Kanji, Samji, Govindji and Shivji. Even today we find the same trend among the followers of Aga Khan.

Begum Salimah became a mother to Princess Zahra in 1970; Prince Rahim in 1971 and Prince Hussein in 1974. It is not easy to guess the current financial standing of Karim. By one estimate, during his peak financial period, he was worth 1.5 billion dollars. Aga Khan receives, besides the returns from his personal investments, 12.5 to 25 percent of the gross income of his spiritual followers and other religious contributions that run in millions. Almost all of these collections and contributions are in cash (no receipts issued). Recently, there have been suggestions from the grass root levels that the community could save millions in tax refunds from their respective governments if proper receiptswere to be issued. Furthermore, the Jamaat may not have to face the embarrassment of illegal "money-laundering" as in the recent past. In 1990, a few Ismailis were convicted for running one of the largest illegal money-laundering operation in the Unites States, for the cash collections made in the Jamatkhanas.

In 1988, Karim Aga Khan threw a lavish party to celebrate the 18th birthday of his daughter Princess Zahra, in his chateau near Paris. `Daily Express' of London reported that over 800 guests assembled to dine on caviare and smoked salmon, drink vintage champagne and dance to Lester Lanin's band specially flown in from America. The fire display alone was estimated to have cost pounds sterling 200,000.

Five years later, Karim Aga Khan was caught in the global recession for making a series of bad decisions concerning his major business investments. His Italian holding company Fimbar was in deep financial trouble. Aga Khan had to give up the control of a chain of nearly 36 most glamorous hotels in six countries. The holding company and the CIGA chain of Hotels, which was running in deep red for the last number of years, owed nearly half a billion pounds to various international banks. When they failed to pay the interest on the loan, the creditors moved-in in May 1993 to seize the assets. That was no ordinary setback and public humiliation for the Aga Khan who was at one time dubbed "King of tourism" by the `Economist'. The `New York Times' reporting the creditors action wrote; "Creditors Chip Away At Aga Khan's Lustre".

Karim Aga Khan has received several honours from many world governments and universities. The latest one of this decade was the Commadeur Legion d'Honneur, France, for services to humanity in the third world by the network of his international institutions and foundations. One of the major projects undertaken is The Aga Khan University and Hospital in Karachi, Pakistan. The Aga Khan Foundation and the network of his institutions do receive very huge contributions (in millions of dollars) from various Governments, international Consortiums, major Corporations and individual philanthropists (Ismailis and non-Ismailis), especially from Europe, North America and Pakistan.

Karim Aga Khan, the recipient of the Jefferson Foundation Medal, is a frequent visitor to the White House since the Kennedy era. In 1985, president Regan and the first Lady Nancy Regan stayed at the Aga Khan's villa in Geneva during the historical summit meeting with the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. One wonders why a religious leader of the Muslim community, having such close relationships with the world's greatest power broker the U.S.A., has remained noticeably silent on the issues such as the invasion of Afghanistan, Arab-Israel conflict, Gulf War and the ceaseless embargo upon Iraq, crisis in Somalia, Kashmiris struggle, Algerian election, Serbian atrocities and the continuing sufferings of Bosnian and Chechen Muslims.

In the past a request was made to Karim Aga Khan by a source from Pakistan to financially assist the Muslim countries in the purchase of military hardware. There is no evidence of the request being acceded to. A documentary made and shown on the British TV, during the Afghan-Soviet war, showed that the followers of Aga Khan were proud to parade before the camera crew the Soviet Tanks and armaments that the Soviet army had left with them. The leader of the Afghani Agakhanis, Syed Jafferi - a hereditary chief Mukhi of the Imaam who had lived in the United States for sometime, bragged that the members of his Jamaat had repeatedly attacked, killed and captured the Muslim Mujaideens that were passing through their valley - a strategic mountain pass - to fight the Soviet army. When the documentary was shown to the leaders of the Mujaideens in Pakistan, he mentioned before the local media that once the Mujaideens have settled their scores with the Soviets they will take care of Syed Jafferi and his fellow tribesman. In the meanwhile, Karim Aga Khan and his followers are trying to relocate these Afghani Ismailis in Canada with the financial assistance of the Canadian Government and the Jamaat in North America.

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We begin with the Name of Allaah

Extremity of Commission of Blasphemy by Prince Karim Aga Khan and his followers(Ismaili Community)

By Missionary Molvi Tableegi

ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH OF H. H. PRINCE KARIM AGA KHAN.

THE MYSTERIOUS TALE OF BIRTH OF KARIM AGA KHAN WITH COURTESY FROM SOLOMON ALI KHAN THE "HUSBAND" OF THE "MOTHER" OF KARIM AGA KHAN Prince Aly Khan & Joan Barbara Yarde Buller The name of the mother of present Aga Khan-IV is "Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller". She was the daughter of Lord Churston former ADC to the Viceroy of India while her mother had been one of the original Gaiety Girls. This English woman of England; the mother of Aga Khan-IV in fact was the wife of "Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness" an Officer in British Royal Merchant Navy linked with Air Force, an Anglo Irish brewing family belonged to Merchant Banking family and she herself was running the business of "Wine Breweries". At the time of marriage with Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness, who was also the Tory Member of the British Parliament for Bath, she was only 19 years of old. This mother of Karim Aga Khan was of highly loose character, men trapper, personally fond of drinking plenty of wine and getting involved in illicit sexual relations with several men to partly quench her unquenchable sexual lust. In the presence of her husband she had maintained sexual relations with several men at a time when Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness also the Tory member Parliament for Bath used to usually remain out of station abroad in tours being in British Royal Navy linked with Air Force and was not giving time to his wife in as much as in 1934 Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller passed the whole summer vacations lonely in absence of her husband Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. In January 1935, Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness went to Australia making prior arrangement for his wife Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller for passing summer holidays in Switzerland with friends. Upon return from Australia, Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness came to know that his wife Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller had fled to North America which was also later on stated by Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness in the court of Law at London. Lastly Mr. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness had met with his wife Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller at his mother-in-law's house in April 1935 where she had confessed having every type of relations with Aly Solomone Khan with whom she had made her firm determination to marry by seeking divorce from Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. At that time the system of seeking divorce was very typical, complicate and cumbersome in Britain and it was mandatory to first voluntarily prove adultery with other men before the Court which was an easy task for Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller to prove in as much as from 17th to 20th April 1935 she and Aly Solomone Khan had passed days in a Hotel at Paris and made merry with the view to practically prove in the Court of Law about the commission of adultery being the basic requirement of the court for granting the decree nisi of divorce. At last, the secret of this sexually corrupt woman gradually started transparently revealing upon her own husband that his wife is clandestinely and in connivance with her husband, having illicit sexual relations with many men in general and with Aly Solomone Khan the son of Aga Khan-III in particular. Therefore, on account of this daily routine quarrels that had erupted on this particular issue, the husband of this prostitute women, after having totally fed up, was constrained to file a criminal case No 936 in month of June 1935 in the Divorce Court of Law at London for seeking divorce from this loose characterized woman and simultaneously filing the claim of defamation/compensation and cost of damages from Aly Solomone Khan by producing valid and unassailable proofs before the said Court of Law. The allegation of illicit sexual relations with several men upon the mother of Karim Aga Khan was proved by the Court of Law when Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller did not defend herself in any manner in this behalf and her Affidavit sent from Paris by her Attorney, was read over in the Court and simultaneously also that she was having illicit sexual relation with Aly Solomone Khan the elder son of Aga Khan-III was duly proved. Therefore, the Judge of the Court Mr. Justice Bucknill did not hesitate in pronouncing the judgment in favour of Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley Guinness on 4th November 1935 which was made public on 18th November 1935, reading as under: -

JUDGEMENT OF LONDON DIVORCE COURT: "…Decree nisi" is being issued and pronounced on account of having illicit sexual relations with other men by the wife of Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley Guinness. Also "Decree" is simultaneously issued and pronounced against Aly Solomone Khan the son of Aga Khan-III for the compensation in terms of money for the reasons that this loose characterized woman, the wife of Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley Guinness, was having illicit sexual relation with Aly Solomone Khan………" Pronounced by the Judge Mr. Justice Bucknill. 4th November 1935

ORIGINAL PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE, PROBATE DIVORCE AND ADMIRALTY (DIVISON) (DIVORCE) SOMERSET HOUSE, STRAND, COUNTY OF
L O N D O N Page No. 1 5412 1 Court Fee Stamp IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE PROBATE DIVORCE AND ADMIRALTY (DIVISION) (DIVORCE) G U I N N E E S T. L. E. B. -V- G U I N N E S S The Hon. J. - and - A L Y K H A N Prince ____________________________

P E T I T I O N - For - DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE STAMP OF COURT Page No. 2 IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE PROBATE DIVORCE AND ADMIRALTY DIVISION ( D I V O R C E ) The 9th day of May 1935. TO THE RIGHT HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT T H E P E T I T I O N of THOMAS LOEL EVELYN BULKELEY GUINNESS for Dissolution of Marriage. S H E W E T H : -

1. That on the 4th day of July 1927 at the Parish Church at the Parish Church in the Parish of St. Margaret Westminister in the County of London your Petitioner was lawfully married to The Honourable Joan Barbara Guinness, then The Honourable Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller, Spinster (hereinafter called the Respondent).

2. That after the said Marriage your Petitioner lived and cohabited with the Respondent at 11 Carlton House Terrace, London, in the County of Middlesex and at the Heaton Priory, Bath in the County of Somerset and at divers other places.

3. That there is issue of the said marriage one child only namely Patrick Benjamin Guinness who was born on the 10th day of March 1931.

4. That the Respondent has frequently committed adultery with Prince Aly S. Khan.

5. That from the 17th day of April 1935 untills the 20th Page No. 3 day of April 1835 at the Hotel Ritz, Place Vendome, Paris, in the Republic of France the Respondent committed adultery with the said Prince Aly S. Khan.

6. That your Petitioner is at present living at 11 Carlton House Terrace, London, in the County of Middlesex, and is a Member of Parliament, and the Respondent is now living at 11 Malina Place London in the County of Middlesex and they are both domiciled in England.

7. That no previous proceedings with reference to the said marriage have been taken in this Division of this Honourable Court by or on behalf of either of the parties thereto.

YOUR PETITIONER therefore prays that Your Lordship will decree:-

1. That his marriage with the Respondent may be dissolved.

2. That he may have the custody of the child of the marriage.

3. That he may have such further and other relief as may be just. Sd/- T.L.E.B. Guinness IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE PROBATE DIVORCE AND ADMIRALTY DIVISION ( D I V O R C E ) TO THE HONOURABLE JOAN BARBARA GUINNESS of 11 Melina Place London in the County of Middlesex and PRINCE ALY S. KHAN of Ritz Hotel, London in the County of Middlesex. TAKE NOTICE that you are required, within eight Page No. 4 days after service hereof upon you, inclusive of the day of such service, to enter an appearance either in person or by your solicitor at the Divorce Registry of the High Court of Justice at Somerset House, Strand, in the County of London, should you think fit so to do, and thereafter to make answer to the charges in this Petition, and that, in default of your so doing, the Court will proceed to hear the said charges proved and pronounce Judgment, you absence notwithstanding. The Petition is filed and this notice to appear is issued by WITHERS & CO. of 4 Arundel Street, Stand, W.C.2. DATED at London the 9th day of May 1935 Sd/-

Registrar. NOTE : - Any person entering an appearance must at the same time furnish an address for service within three miles of the General Post Office, London. Page No. 5 Notice of Application to make Decree Nisi Absolute. In the High Court of Justice, PROBATE, DIVORCE AND ADMIRALTY DIVISION (DIVORCE.) SHAW & BLAKE LTD Law Stationers and Printers Bell Yard, Temple Bar, And 17, Barrey Street, LONDON, W.C.2 Guinness against Guinness & Aly Khan 5th day of May 1934 NOTICE is hereby given of Application on behalf of the Petitioner That the decree nisi for the dissolution of the Marriage of the Petitioner and Respondent pronounced in this cause on the 4th day of November 1935 be made absolute, the usual Affidavit in support of the Application having been filed on the 5th day of May 1936 Withers & Co, 4 Arundel Street, Strand W.C.2 London. ********************************

UPON HEARING THIS JUDGEMENT of the said Divorce Court of London, Aly Solomone Khan very happily made the payment of the claim of compensation/cost of damages to Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley Guinness and thereafter he intensively rejoiced that her husband divorced his lover. As a matter of fact Aly Solomone Khan had helped in obscurity both to the Court of Law as well as Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley. Guinness for the reasons that Aly Solomone Khan was determined and not at all prepared to leave his lover Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller at any cost. At the time of divorce to Mrs. Thomas Loel Evelyn Buckeley Guinness on 18th November 1935 from the London Divorce Court, Karim Aga Khan-IV was in the womb of his mother Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller and after the divorce, she very happily proceeded with her lover Aly Solomone Khan to his house. In the last days of very next month of December 1935 after the divorce on 18th November 1935, the birth of Karim Aga Khan took place on 13th December 1935.

This unassailable truth and fact can be verified from the following websites of international repute and reliability:-

1.http://www.vaxxine.com/mgdsite/year/1935.htm regarding Special Events for the Year 1935 presented by Greg Duncan.

2.http://www.invercarron.com/today/1213.htm regarding What happened on December 13th.

3.http://www.vaxxine.com/mgdsite/history/1213.HTM regarding Data for December 13 presented by Greg Duncan.

THE MYSTERIOUS BIRTH OF KARIM AGA KHAN On 13th December 1935 after few weeks of divorce on 18th November 1935 is of course mysteriously anomalous and it is not discernible as to of whose Foetus Karim Aga Khan was composed of for the reasons that until November 1935 the mother of Karim Aga Khan was under the wedlock of Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. Therefore, it is transparently clear and unambiguously apparent that after remaining of Karim Aga Khan in the womb of his mother for approximately seven months, legally he would be recognized, termed and called as the son of Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness and not of Aly Solomone Khan. Even then it is still a mystery and not clear about the actual father of Karim Aga Khan so much so this woman called the mother of Karim Aga Khan had simultaneously developed illicit sexual relations with other many men too in general besides her husband Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness and at the same time with Aly Solomone Khan the son of Aga Khan-III in particular owing to which God knows better that from whose foetus Karim Aga Khan had been conceived in the womb of Mrs. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. Anyway Karim Aga Khan would be termed as the son of Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. But since Karim Aga Khan was the suspicious child as such Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness had flatly refused to recognize and accept Karim Aga Khan as his own legitimate child. Thereafter, Aly Solomone Khan adopted this unknown illegitimately born Karim Aga Khan as his child under cover of intensive love with his lover Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller.

On 21st February 1936 both these lovers i.e. Aly Solomone Khan and Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller participated in the ceremony of Silver Jubilee at Nizam Hyderabad in India and thereafter on 18th May 1936 Aly Solomone Khan the son of Aga Khan-III solemnized marriage ceremony in Paris, France after the decree nisi had become absolute in six months from the date of pronouncing decree nisi by the court, with her lover Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller and at that time she had attained the age of 26 years after remaining for 7 years in the wedlock of Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness. The mother of Karim Aga Khan Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller had given her five months old child Karim Aga Khan to Aly Solomone Khan as dowry immediately after the marriage ceremony and then instantly went into the wedlock of her lover Aly Solomone Khan. The aforementioned facts are absolutely correct and perfectly right because these facts have been derived and retrieved from that book which has duly been published by Aly Solomone Khan himself with his own signatures due to which there remains no room of even the slightest ambiguity and suspicion about the unassailable authenticity of these very hard facts. Who knew at that time that this suspicious unknown illegitimately born child would become Aga Khan-IV in the future?

Anyway such incidences in such families do take place in the love of a woman. Sensing the gravity of the situation and in order to cunningly hide this top secret of illegitimate birth of Karim Aga Khan a History Book was published in the year 1960 by the Ismailia Association of India, which recorded Karim, son of Aly Solomone Khan was born in Paris. Biographer Willi Frischauer records, he was born in Geneva, Switzerland.

Ismailis all over the world celebrate their Imam Karim Al-Husseini's birthday on December 13. As a matter of fact the actual year of birth of Karim Aga Khan is 1935 and not 1936 as has been manipulated fraudulently by Ismailis with the consent of Aga Khan to change the year of birth from 1935 to 1936 keeping the month and date as same i.e. 13th December with the view and ulterior motive/malafide intentions to remain aloof and hidden from the unassailable evidence of actual year of birth that tantamount to his illegitimate birth and that too of unknown foetus. This is common practice in Aga Khan's family so much so in the past such incidences have duly taken place when Aga Khan-III had married various women for pleasure only through Muta'h form (Temporary marriage) and children were being born illegitimately: -

Reference:

In 1908 Aga Khan-III carried out marriage for pleasure only through Muta'h form (Temporary Marriage) with Mlle. Teresa Ginetta Magliano one of the most promising young dancers of the Ballet Opera of Monte Carlo, A ballerina. She was then just nineteen. In the spring of that year she accompanied him to Egypt where they had performed Muta'h marriage (Temporary marriage).

This marriage was not in accordance with the Muslim Law of Marriage. During this marriage for pleasure, within three years two sons were illegitimately born i.e. first son who was named as Giussepe Mahdi Khan who died in February 1911 and the second son named Aly Solomone Khan was born on 13th June, 1911 at Turin, Italy as a result of which Ali Solomone Khan the so called father of Karim Aga Khan was also himself illegitimately born as is the position of his so called son Karim Aga Khan.

This fact is further clarified by the own words of Aga Khan-III which have appeared in his Memoirs published in 1954 at page No. 104 followed by his will at Page No.4 thereof, wherein Aga Khan-III has himself confirmed that he permanently married with Mlle. Teresa Ginetta Magliano through the permanent form of marriage in the year 1923 in Bombay-India whereas prior to 1923 the marriage was running under the guise of Muta'h (i.e. only for pleasure) during which pleasure period Aly Solomone Khan was born in the year 1911 i.e. 12 years earlier than the actual permanent form of marriage in accordance with Muslim Law. Hence by virtue of this reference it is established that the so-called father of Karim Aga Khan namely Aly Solomone Khan was himself too an illegitimately born person out of the marriage of pleasure and not through permanent form of Marriage in accordance with the Muslim Law.

This shameful and sordid scandal and story does not end here that Karim Aga Khan is an illegitimately born child of an unknown foetus but startlingly his father Aly Solomone Khan was also illegitimately born out of the foetus of either Aga Khan-III or someone else unknown. The birth of Aly Solomone Khan had taken place in Turin on June 13, 1911. On that day in all nineteen infants were born in Turin out of which eight were males and eleven females. There was no notice in the city's newspapers that one of them was the son of Sir Sultan Mohammad Shah Aga Khan-III. Four days later, as required by law, Dr. Pozzi arranged for an officer of the Turin city government to come to the house on Corso Oporto to prepare the birth certificate. The Aga Khan-III, who had not come to Turin for the birth, had authorized Dr. Pozzi to represent him in the registration process.

The unassailable proof of the birth certificate is still available on the record file of Turin town hall, which reads as under: - "In the year 1911, 17th of June, 5 P.M. before me, Piere Carossa, acting vice-secretary of the delegation (Dec. 31 1909), officer of the civil government of the city of Turin, has come Dr. Alfredo Possi, 39 years old, obstetrician, living in Turin, who declared that at 2 p.m. of the 13th of June, same year, in this house, 17 Corso Oporto, from the union of Teresa Magliano, UNMARRIED 22 years old, living on independent means, here in person, as a co-declarant with His Highness The Aga Khan, son of the late Aga Ali Shah (Aga Khan-II), 34 years old, born at Karachi (British India), living at Monte Carlo, was born a male baby who is not present and to whom are given the names of Aly Solomone.

To this are present as witness Francesca Crescio, 28, living on independent means, and Rosa Magliano, 39, living on independent means, both residents of Turin. The child has not been shown owing to hygienic reasons. It is therefore resolved that Aly Solomone Khan being the illegitimately born son of Aga Khan-III is from the womb of Unmarried Teresa Magliano who had illicit relations with Aga Khan-III without any marriage and during the rape, this son Aly Solomone Khan has taken birth. The marriage of Aga Khan-III, took place in Bombay with the mother of Aly Solomone Khan Teresa Magliano Ginneta when Aly Solomone Khan had become eleven years old, going on twelve.

The effect on him of this belated event can only be surmised. He never spoke of it as an adult. Nor did any other members of the family. For by then, Aga Khan-III's youthful romance had been sanctified by time - and rewritten by biographers. With prudent hindsight, the date of the wedding had been put back to 1908, three years before Aly Solomone Khan's birth, and the Aga Khan-III's "petite amie," as Ginetta is still remembered in Deauville, had been elevated, as of the year of her meeting with the Aga Khan-III, to the status of Begum, the title given his wife. Only in the course of a careful search of documents and ransacking of memories relating to Aly Solomone Khan's childhood, did it become evident that the official family version of these crucial early years fell somewhere on the far side of candor. There were Aly Solomone Khan's birth certificate which proclaimed his mother to be "nubile" - unmarried; the documents in various municipal archives relating to Ginetta's houses - in Monte Carlo, for instance, the record of the Services Fiscaux on the sale of the Villa Ginetta in 1919, states: "Mademoiselle Magliano had declared: that she was single and of adult age….", the 1921 census report for Nice which lists the "chef de ménage" - head of household - of the Villa Terpsichore, as "Magliano, Ginetta."

Finally, there as the Aga Khan-III's will which, of course, came to light only after his death, its contents known to only a limited circle. This testament makes the fascinating assertion that the Aga married Ginetta not once, but twice. The 1908 ceremony, the only one hitherto mentioned by biographers and interviewers, was revealed to be a "muta marriage" - a strange form of temporary marriage (marriage for pleasure), which requires no ceremony, no witnesses and can be contracted for an hour, a night or a hundred years. The requirements are consent of both parties and fair payment - "muta" - means pittance. STRONG DEMAND FOR SETTING UP AND APPOINTMENT OF HIGH LEVEL IMPARTIAL COMMISSION OF THE GENETIC SCIENCES AND PARA MEDICAL EXPERTS FOR CARRYING OUT CLICK HERE http://www.dnatestingcentre.com

D.N.A. TEST OF PRINCE KARIM AGA KHAN. It is now ripe time during the period of modern Genetic Science by virtue of which if multiple, powerful, sensitive and effective cross Deoxyribo Nucleic Acid (D.N.A) test of H.H. Prince Karim Aga Khan is carried out meticulously and candidly it would be surely determined in speaking evidence that Karim Aga Khan is not born out of the blood and semen of Aly Solomone Khan and will reveal upon the whole world about his hidden illegitimacy so much so DNA is the blueprint for life bases form the genetic code.

This fact of the Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) test can be verified from the website as shown hereunder by way of clicking the website on Internet, Click here: http://www.god93.dial.pipex.com/ks4biology/dna1.htm.

It would also be observed that three bases form one bit of the code-a triplet code. Cells use the triplet code to make proteins in cell organelles called ribosome. Some of the proteins work as enzymes controlling chemistry in the cell. In this way, the DNA tells cells what to do. The performance of thorough DNA test upon Karim Aga Khan built up from nucleotides, found in chromosomes and Nucleotide built from a nitrogenous base (base containing nitrogen) a 5-carbon sugar (a pintos sugar) and a phosphate group with Nitrogenous bases of (A), Cytosine (C), Guanine (G) and Thiamine (T) in terms of genetic code made by a triplet of bases of chains: AAA; GCT; CAT etc., is itself a genetic engineering and is surely going to blatantly expose Karim Aga Khan that he is an unknown illegitimately born "******* " as per the sayings of the ancient times of 1935 and an unknown illegitimate born love child of the modern age sayings, presented by Joan Barbara Yarde-Buller to Aly Solomone Khan as dowry at the time of her marriage with him on 18th May 1936 within seven days after the decree nisi that had been pronounced by the London Divorce Court, had become absolute. As a secondary measure, it is also worthwhile here to reiterate that Karim Aga Khan should physically and practically prove before the world whether he has underwent the procedure of his own circumcision or not when he is claiming himself to be a Muslim so much so he is an illegitimate born child of unknown foetus and hence there is every likelihood that he may not have undergone the process and ceremony of circumcision when his mother was in the wedlock of Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness carrying the foetus in her womb before the divorce and marriage with Aly Solomone Khan. In this regard a detailed genetic technique scanned report need to be published in the world newspapers so that the world may know the facts in this behalf through the images of the said Report.

THIS HAS BEEN NECESSIATED FOR THE COGENT REASONS THAT even Aly Solomon Khan had not undergone the performance of his own circumcision which secret and fact was revealed after his death on12th May 1960 in a car accident when a team of persons who were entrusted the job of giving bath to the dead body of Aly Solomone Khan, had revealed this secret and had spread this news amongst selected persons that strangely the circumcision of Aly Solomone Khan the so called father of Karim Aga Khan was found to have not been performed. To be continued on Part-II (About Aga Khan a notorious Playboy and a Womanizer)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:56 am

Dawood,

What part of "PROGRESSIVE DAWOODI BOHRA" don't you understand? We are not interested in the history of Aga Khan. Go to some other web site where they actually care about him.

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Unread post by marabu » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:29 am

to all Ismail's
accept that imam of times (aga khan) has done wonders for his community as well as less fortunate persons on this earth. i strongly believe that messages on this board for or against hazzar imam is waste of time

as far as this bohra is concerned i want issues related to to this community and if not perhaps we should change the label for this board .

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Unread post by saif » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:53 am

anajmi:

Wow!!Hallelujia!!Wonders never cease!!!At last the penny seems to have dropped even on a "fried brain". Even you advised:

"Dawood,

"What part of "PROGRESSIVE DAWOODI BOHRA" don't you understand? We are not interested in the history of Aga Khan. Go to some other web site where they actually care about him."

"You know the saying: "You sling so much sh.t on an ignorant/stupid person and some of it is bound to stick on him/her some day"

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:03 pm

saif,

Seriously my friend, are you as stupid as I think you are? I was repeating what you said simply to get an idiotic response out of you and that is exactly what you did!!

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Unread post by saif » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:21 pm

anajmi:

I am glad to note, that you admit and confess, that like you, you also have stupid and idiotic friends. But please do not call me your "friend" as I don't even know you from "adam" - that other stupid and idiotic friend of yours!!

Case rested.

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Unread post by saif » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:28 pm

anajmi:

I am glad you admit and confess now that you have stupid and idiotic friends just like you.

But please don't call me or associate me as your "friend" as I even don't know you from "adam" - that another stupid and idiotic friend of yours!!

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:23 pm

whether the diehard sunni's consider the agakhan and his followers muslim or not, the fact does remain that they are far better human beings than the fanatic and rigid ultra-religious and ultra-conservative muslim types.

who cares what the extreme lobby thinks with their views of "we alone are right and the rest are stupid and to be despised"? atleast the ismaili khojas are doing no harm to anyone.. so why vilify their beliefs and constantly slander and abuse? even the prophet didnt take up arms until he was physically attacked, otherwise he was a model of tolerance and love to humanity at large.

the agakhan's support and help to his community, esp in times of crises and in the long term is exemplary. compare him with our syedna who only gives dua's and abandons his flock, esp at the times of greatest need. the syedna not only takes shamelessly, he is a hard-hearted and cold-blooded cruel mercenary who loots, never gives. atleast the aga khan gives generously not only to his own community but helps others, incl. non-muslims with his hospitals, colleges, universities and charitable institutions.

all those who ask for this interpretation and that from ismailis are only hate mongerers who quote the quran from one side of their mouth and spew venom and gutter language from the other! and if someone as much as says even a word against them they resort to out-shouting them and bullying.

since no one has so much time and patience as these determined hate-mongerers, they eventually give up and the bully's declare a one-sided victory! this is a classic miyabhai tactic. they have the energy to keep abusing at the top of their voice, decent people eventually just give up and walk away. the loser in the end is actually the hatred spreading bully, because he has expended all his energy and time in trivialities and has got nowehere, whereas the wise guys get on with their business and achieve success in life.

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:00 pm

saif,

Yeah, I've got some stupid and idiotic friends and most of them are on this board. Al Zulfikar is one of them.

I've told him so many times to keep abusing the Syedna cause it's not making any difference to him. He needs to shout louder and louder and he needs to spew more venom from both sides of his mouth. Till then, you are free to achieve success in your life.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:43 pm

my mail referred to hate mongerers and hypocrites who talk of the quran and use gutter language at the same time. it was not addressed to any one particular individual.

guess what? who responded..?? you have your answer. the guilty one jumped to his own defense.

and as saif has mentioned, please do not assume that you have ANY friends here, stupid or otherwise. when your avowed purpose in life is nothing but to create enmity and prejudice and hatred against others, and to keep barking like a rabid dog, then dont expect anyone to pay attention to your rantings.

indulging in fancy oral footwork demonstrates nothing except that you have too much faltu time on yr hands to do the devil's work.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:21 pm

Al Zulfikar,

Seriously, my friend, do you think I would be treating my friends the way I treat you morons? You might be a coward in not addressing me directly but I am not. I will tell you on your face that you are a hypocrite. Besides, my bark is far more effective than yours. Look at the responses I get. And now consider your tirade against the Syedna. It's like trying to poke a hole in Swiss cheese.

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Unread post by jawanmardan » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:21 pm

It may be resecful to refrain from discussing Nizari Isma’ilism for the time being as this board is focussed on the Bohra tradition and often that central subject is obscured by Hazar Imam, and our tariqah.

However, I do live in hope that at some point we are able to exchange ideas, and thoughts between our tariqahs (in the absence of extremist, and prejudicial views). So that our understanding of our common humanity and relationship to God can be expanded.

Love and Light

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Unread post by mumineen » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:44 pm

jawanmardan:

Here!! Here!!

We have said this before a number of times and reiterate again!!

Why are we so concerned about the Aga Khani Shia Ismaili Khojas? We seem to have a fettish, bad-mouthing a community and its philanthropic leader who has NOT done us any harm. If you peruse through this website's archives, we have already exhausted this subject - probably due to anajmi and his sycophants etc., and that ex-Ismaili Khoja Akberally Maherally's (a.k.a Alex Virani) anonymous instigative posts on this website (he has already become a Sunni and is merely being vindictive). We are being used.

Are we suffering from the inferiority complex that we slander and libel others to mask our inadequacies and defects and hence are jealous of the Aga Khani's successes in this world?.

Please grow up and cease and desist from these futile attacks - "pissing in the wind".

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Unread post by pardesi » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:21 am

Jawanmardan/Mumineen,

I absolutely agree with both of you. This site is dedicated to the Progressive Dawoodi Bohras and their movement/traditions and should stay that way. The problem is that in every topic under discussion their is a provoking mention of the Ismailis and their Imam just to spice things up by certain elements on this board.

I ran across this site accidentally few years back searching for an article on the Fatimids. The first year or so I stayed out but visited often. Then I could not stay out as there were few Ismailis here who were in a war of words with MF at first and then I noticed Anajmi. The rest, as they say, is history. And now I am stuck on this board because of regular invitations.

May be we should start with this to divert attention from the Aga Khan -

Ismailis have a history in print that dates back to the time of Prophet Mohammad. Then the split occurs between Ithnas and Ismailis. We carried on till the next split (Nizar/Musta'ali). We Nizari Ismailis have been able to continue on and there are a lot of books on Ismaili History of the Nizari sect.

My question is do the Dawoodi Bohras have printed books of history going back to their Imam Musta'ali. Before that split, I think pretty much everything is common between us except for a few differences here and there. We even shared a few dai's at the time of split.

It would be interesting to read their Bohra Ismaili history, at least to me.

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Unread post by Nobigotry » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:26 am

I say Ameen to let's have a meaningful discourse. I have already mentioned elsewhere that I came to this site to learn about the Tariqah that we consider the closest to ours.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:03 pm

I think pretty much everything is common between us except for a few differences here and there. We even shared a few dai's at the time of split.
Br Pardesi
AS
It does not pay to lie or sugercoat as'few differences here and there'.

Agakhanism is quite a different religion then Bohrasm.

Unlike Agakhanis, Bohras still follow 5 pillers of Islam (+ 2 additional), They believe in Hujj, pray 5 Salats (compressed in 3 times) and fast in Ramadan, and that keeps them in the fold of Islam.
Anybody who abandons Salat, Roza and Hujj has taken them out of Islam. BTW for Bohras Ali is not Allah. For Agakhanis Ali is Allah, and MHI is Ali (Allah) in different dress.

I wish you best. May you have Noorani Darshan of Alpha and Omega of your Hazir Imam.

I have just pointed out 'few differences here and there'. Hope there is no further discussion on this forum. Please continue if you wish under 'Islam Today'

Wasalaam
Sincerely
You’re MF

Brother mumineen;

My apology. 'Gustagi Maaf Karna'. I will do my best to restrain myself and not get into discussion on Agakhanism on this Bohra forum.

Wasalaam

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Unread post by jawanmardan » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:29 pm

[/QUOTE]Br Pardesi
AS
It does not pay to lie or sugercoat as'few differences here and there'.

Agakhanism is quite a different religion then Bohrasm.

Unlike Agakhanis, Bohras still follow 5 pillers of Islam (+ 2 additional), They believe in Hujj, pray 5 Salats (compressed in 3 times) and fast in Ramadan, and that keeps them in the fold of Islam.
Anybody who abandons Salat, Roza and Hujj has taken them out of Islam. BTW for Bohras Ali is not Allah. For Agakhanis Ali is Allah, and MHI is Ali (Allah) in different dress.

I wish you best. May you have Noorani Darshan of Alpha and Omega of your Hazir Imam.

I have just pointed out 'few differences here and there'. Hope there is no further discussion on this forum. Please continue if you wish under 'Islam Today'[/QUOTE]

It does not pay to lie about Nizaris. You ought avoid discussing Nizari Isma’ilism since your willfully ignorant of our theology, yet continue to misrepresent our beliefs.