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Re: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com


Unread post by alsojinxed » Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:04 am

this is an email from that so called "helpline" on the matter.

Mu` meneen Brothers and Sisters,

As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah`s Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)

One of our brothers/sisters has asked this question:

Dear Brother Burhan As salaam o Alaikum

Also a friend forwarded this site called http://www.zahirbatin.com Please follow carefully the details and listen to all individual tapes. It takes a bit of patience.

It’s a taped telephone conversation between sayednas nieces and nephew regarding mazoom /mukasir and what goes on behind the back door inside the kothar and all the fights etc going on. Your comments on these tapes will be very much appreciated. Thanks

(There may be some grammatical and spelling errors in the above statement. The forum does not change anything from questions, comments and statements received from our readers for circulation in confidentiality.)

Click here http://www.zahirbatin.com to read and hear the full account of events before reading this reply.


Taped conversations
In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Beloved brother in Islam, we have heard each and every tape from the said site and frankly are not surprised at the animosity and hatred the highest echelons of the Bohra leadership have amongst each other. This animosity and differences between the power mongers have always been existent, and that has resulted in at least 3-4 major break-ups of the Bohra school of thought; which resulted in the splinter-groups of Alwi Bohras, Sulaimani Bohras, Najmi Bohras, Dawoodi Bohras, etc.

To the average followers, it seems that all is fine and dandy in upper echelons of the Bohra leadership; but the truth is there are many segments amongst themselves who cannot even stand the sight of each other, and they abuse, revile, belittle, ridicule and curse each other; and this has been happening for years on end!

With the amount of ill-gotten wealth in the Bohra coffers, and the repercussions which result in one being chosen the next leader to the immediate family; this animosity should be expected, especially as the Cause of the Bohra Leadership is the pomp and grandeur of this world, rather than the obedience of the Truth from Allah and His Messenger (saws) which alone will bring salvation in the Hereafter.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 59 Surah Hashr verses 14-17:

14 They will not fight you (even) together except in fortified townships or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.

15 Like those who lately preceded them they have tasted the evil result of their conduct and (in the Hereafter there is) for them a grievous Penalty

16 (Their allies deceived them) like the Evil One (Shaitaan) when he says to man "Deny Allah"; but when (man) denies Allah (the Shaitaan) says "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah the Lord of the Worlds!"

17 The end of both will be that they will go into the Fire dwelling therein for ever. Such is the reward of wrong-doers.

Allah Alone knows for sure what exactly transpired which encouraged one of them, Taizoon Bhaisaheb, to take this step of exposing the power struggle in the upper-most echelons of the Bohra Leadership!

His grand-mother, Shahzadi Maryam Bhensaheba is a very powerful woman in her own right, and is the daughter of Syedna Taher Saifuddeen and the half-sister of the current Syedna Mohamed Burhanudeen; from a different mother. She is also the half-sister of the current Mazoon Syedi Khuzaima Bhaisaheb and the current Mukasir Syedi Hussain Bhaisaheb!

The animosity, hatred, and power struggle between the sons and immediate family of the current Syedna, the likes of Shahzadah Qaid-Johar Bhaisaheb, Shahzadah Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, etc. against the current Mazoon and his ‘gang’ has been going on for decades! The recorded conversations revealed by Taizoon Bhaisaheb on the net has taken the battle to a different level altogether!!!

It has been known for years that the power struggle in the upper echelons of the Bohra Leadership is precisely the reason why the current Syedna has not declared his so-called ‘nass’ on who will be the next Dai, even though he is of abject old age; for whoever he does the ‘nass’ on, the Dawoodi Bohra sect is bound to break into splinter-groups; each declaring his own Dai, as has happened so many times in the past!!!

But poor Taizoon Bhaisaheb is fighting a losing battle, for his opponents are apparently the high and mighty in the current power-hold of the hierarchy! He has taken the battle right to the door-step of the Leaders, the likes of Shahzadi Maryam Bhensaheba, Shahzadah Qaid-Johar Bhaisaheb, Shahzadah Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, etc.!

Can you imagine, even people like Taizoon Bhaisaheb, who is so closely related to the Syedna, does not have direct access to him; and apparently he begs the normal mumineen to take his message to the Syedna! What chance does a normal follower have when even he cannot have access to the Syedna???

The truth of the matter is that this Taizoon Bhaisaheb is fighting a losing battle; for he has gone into this war armed with wrong and false ammunition! Talking of the legality of the Mazoon, Mukasir, and Misaak is like talking about Ram and Laxman and Hanuman and Ravana! These are all figments of people’s imaginations and self-invented names and positions; which have absolutely nothing to do with reality, Truth, Or the deen of Al-Islam.

If the likes of Taizoon Bhaisaheb was guided aright by Allah Subhanah, and was armed with the knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah, he would realize that there is no such thing as Mazoon and Mukasir in the deen brought by Prophet Mohamed (saws); he would realize that this whole system of Bohra school of thought has absolutely nothing to do with the guidance and teachings of Allah and His Messenger (saws); he would realize that the concept and dogma of ‘zahir-baatin’ as understood, believed, and followed by the Bohras has absolutely nothing to do with the Truth of Al-Islam!

This ‘zaahir-baatin’ dogma preached by the misguided self-invented leaders, is only a ploy to confuse and misguide the normal people, and a baseless philosophy invented by the self-declared priestly class to subjugate their followers to become the slaves of man (abde-syedna) rather than become the slaves of Allah Subhanah (Abd-Allah)!!!

If one has heard and studied the taped conversations, he would hear terms like ‘Aala-Kitaab’ (The books of High), or ‘Haqeeqat ni Kitaab’ (The books of Truth), etc., which is apparently the source of their mis-guidance; but never would one hear the name of the Blessed and Noble Book of Allah Subhanah: The One and Only Al-Quran Al-Kareem, which incidentally is the only ‘ Aala Kitaab’ and the only ‘Haqeeqat ni Kitaab’

These misguided self-declared leaders use these self-invented books and program their followers into the ‘zaahir-baatin’ concept of absolute misguidance! This is where they get their notions of the ‘baatin’ (hidden) Imam and the ‘zaahir’ (open) Dai!!! This is where they propagate the false concept of the ‘saamit-kitaab’ (silent book, namely the Glorious Quran), and the ‘bolti-kitaab’ (speaking-book, namely Hadrat Ali ibn Abi Taalib (r.a.)!!!

Thus whatever suits their agenda and helps them in subjugating their ignorant followers, they declare as ‘zaahir’; and whatever suits their agenda they declare ‘baatin’! And they unashamedly declare that ‘normal’ people like you and me are not qualified or not worth understanding the ‘baatin’ knowledge; this ‘baatin’ knowledge is only for the so-called ‘Royal-family’ and that too the upper-most crust of the hierarchy!!! These self-invented books are held in such secrecy, that none other than the top-most level of the Bohra Leadership have access to it!!!

And amongst all this self-created, utter and absolute confusion; these evil people declare that the Divine Book which Allah Subhanah Himself revealed for the Guidance of mankind, cannot be understood by normal people like you and me!!!

That is why you will see that the Bohras, be they their leaders, priests, or the normal followers….they will never understand or even try to understand even one Aaayah or Command of the Glorious Quran! In fact, if you invite them to read the Quran with understanding, they will immediately challenge the translation, the author, the language, the motive of the translator, even the authenticity of the Glorious Quran itself! …..basically they will challenge anything and everything, but they will never ever agree to read the Quran with understanding….for that is precisely what they have been told since birth! For them, the knowledge of the Quran is ‘baatin’ (hidden) knowledge, and its ‘taaweel’ (real meanings) are known only and only by the priestly class!!!

And once these evil self-invented priests and leaders have taken away the understanding of the Divine Book of Guidance from their followers; they may lead them anywhere they want, and these poor and ignorant followers obey and submit to them like slaves or even worse, like cattle, believing that everything the High Priest and his cronies say and do is absolutely in line with the guidance and teachings of Allah and His Messenger (saws), when nothing could be further than the Truth!!!

These evil priests and misguided leaders have created and propagated this confusion, and have succeeded in taking a multitude of good and honest people away from the deen of Islam! They conceal the clear Aayahs of the Quran for a paltry worldly gain, without realizing the heavy penalty they will occur in the Just Court of Allah Subhanah on the Inevitable Day of Judgement! These ignorant and arrogant leaders have made a mockery of the Divine Commandments of Allah Subhanah and sold their Hereafter for a paltry sum that they extort from their followers in this world! What an evil bargain they have made!!!

If only they knew the Quran, and were guided aright by the Merciful Lord, they would realize that what they are following is absolute and complete disobedience of the Clear Commands of Allah Subhanah; and the reward of disobedience to the Commands of Allah Subhanah is guaranteed Hell-Fire!

May Allah Subhanah have Mercy on our Bohra brethren and guide them to understand, obey, follow, and submit to the clear teachings of the Glorious Quran before they meet with their appointment of death; for after that it would be too late!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 159:Those who conceal the clear (Revelations) and Guidance We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, on them shall be Allah’s ‘laanah’ and the ‘laanah’ of those who are entitled to curse!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Al-Baqarah verse 174:Indeed those, who conceal the commands that Allah has sent down in His Book and barter them away for paltry worldly gains, fill their bellies with fire. Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He regard them as pure and there is a painful torment for them!

Please read the following Aayahs of the Glorious Quran, and decide for yourself who has a bigger right to be believed: Allah Subhanah or these self-made priests?

Allah says in Chapter 2, Surah Baqarah aayat 185:"Ramadan is the month in which the Quran was sent down: this Book is a perfect guidance for mankind and consists of CLEAR teachings which show the Right Way, and are a Criterion of the Truth and falsehood."

Allah says the Book is a perfect guidance and consists of clear teachings and is a barometer for the Truth and falsehood! But some men say this Book is incomprehensible and impossible to understand.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 16 Surah Nahl verse 89:We have sent down to you this Book, which makes everything plain, and is a guidance, blessing and good news to those who have surrendered themselves entirely.

Allah Subhanah has Himself declared that this Glorious Quran makes everything plain, is a guidance, and a blessing and good news for the believers who have surrendered themselves. But some unfortunate people unjustly claim that this Message of Allah is not supposed to be understood!!!!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Ha Mim As Sajdaah verse 2-4:This is a Revelation from the All-Compassionate, the All-Merciful Allah. A Book whose verses are well-expounded, an Arabic Quran for the people who want to understand, and a giver of good news and a warner.

Allah Subhanah Himself declares that this Glorious Quran is a Book whose verses are well-expounded, and a guidance for the people who ‘want’ to understand it! May Allah have mercy on the people who declare that this Book is not supposed to be understood.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 30 Surah Rum verses 58-60:We have set forth in this Quran every sort of argument to make the people understand; but whatever ‘aayah’ you may bring, the disbelievers will certainly say, “You are following falsehood”. Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who understand not. So, patiently perservere; for surely the promise of Allah is True. And let not those who have no certainty of faith, shake your firmness.

The people who refuse to understand the Glorious Quran are always the foremost in accusing the believers of the Quran of following falsehood! Little do they realize that Allah Subhanah has sealed up their hearts for their obstinence!!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 43 Surah Zukhruf verses 43-44:So, hold fast to the Book that has been revealed to you, you are surely on the Siraat al Mustaqeem. The fact is that this book is a great honor for you and your people, and soon you shall be CALLED TO ACCOUNT for it.

Some people say that the Book of Allah should not be understood, and obviously if one never understands it, he will not obey and follow its clear commands! But Allah guides the believers to hold fast to this Glorious Quran, for those who do, are surely on the Straight Path of Islam. And on an Inevitable Day, Allah shall surely call all of mankind to account for it.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 157-158:Now that a clear proof, a Guidance and Blessing, has come to you from your Lord, who can be more unjust than the one who treats Our Revelations as false and turns away from them? We will inflict the severest torment on those who turn away from Our Revelations because of their aversion. Do the people now await that the angels should come down before them? Or that your Lord may Himself come down? Or that the manifest Signs of your Lord should appear?

Some people declare that the Book of Allah is not for us to understand!!!! Allah Subhanah declares that those who treat His Revelations as false and thus turn away from them are unjust, and will come under the severe Wrath and Punishment of Allah Subhanah.

So, what will make these people understand the Message of the Quran? Are they awaiting that the angels of Allah should come down before them? Or that the Majestic and Supreme Lord of the Universe should Himself come down before them? Or that some of the Lord’s Manifest Signs or Miracles should appear before them? Will these unjust people who refuse to understand and accept the Guidance of the Quran, believe only then?

We seek the refuge of Allah Subhanah from the people who refuse to accept and understand the Message of the Glorious Quran!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraaf verses 2-3:This is a Book which has been sent down to you. So, let there be no hesitation in your mind about it. This has been sent down that you may thereby warn (the disbelievers), and that it may be an Admonition to the believers. O people, follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and do not follow other ‘auliyaas’ besides Him. But you seldom take Admonition!

The unjust people who refuse to accept and understand the Revelations of Allah Subhanah have done so, only because some of their ‘auliyaas’ or self-declared holy men have told them to do so!

These ignorant people refuse to accept what Allah has commanded them to do; but are ever-ready to accept every command of their self made ‘auliyaas’!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verses 40-44:Some of these people will believe in (The Quran), and others will not. Your Lord knows these mischief-makers very well indeed. If these people deny you, say to them: “I am responsible for my deeds and you are for yours. You are not accountable for what I do, nor am I for what you do.” There are many among them who hear what you say, but will you make the deaf to listen to you, even though they be incapable of understanding this? Then there are many others among them who see you. But will you show the way to the blind, even though they be bereft of sight? The fact is that Allah does not in any way wrong the people, but they wronged themselves!

Our duty was only to convey the Message of the Glorious Quran to you…..Allah Subhanah Himself declares that some people will believe in it, and some others will reject it!

These Bhaisahebs, and Aamils, and the ‘raza na saahibs’, etc. know how to perform the rituals of darees, waaz, jaman, niyaaz, nikaah, janaaza, etc. but they have absolutely no idea of the clear commandments of the Quran! Simply because in their schools and universities, that is exactly what they have learnt! Neither do they know the Quran, nor do they encourage their followers to understand the Quran!

Had they read the Glorious Quran even only once with understanding, they would bear witness to the whole world that the Bohra concept of ‘shafaa’ and ‘wasila’ amounts to the highest form and a clear manifestation of the most heinous of sins: ‘shirk’ or associating others with Allah Subhanah!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anam verse 94:(And Allah will say), “So, you have come before Us all alone, as We created you at first. Now, you have left behind all that We gave you in the world. Now We do not see with you those ‘shufa’a’(intercessors), who, you believed, had a share in molding your destinies! All the relations between you and them have been cut off, and all those, in whom you trusted, have left you in the lurch.”

This is the scenario Allah presents to the believers in the Holy Quran about those people who trusted their intercessors, rather than the Words of Allah Subhanah! All their lives these people invoked and called upon their ‘holy men’ and thought these people could mould their destinies in this world and help them in the Hereafter! But Allah Subhanah Himself says that He will cut off all the relations between such people, and all those ‘holy men’ they trusted to intercede for them in the Court of Allah, will leave them in the lurch!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 18:These people worship beside Allah those which can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, “These are our ‘shofa’a’ (intercessors) with Allah!” O Mohammed, tell them, “Do you wish to inform Allah of that thing which He knows to be neither in the heavens nor in the earth?” He is absolutely free from, and exalted above the shirk that they commit.

Allah exhorts the people to use their common sense when they invoke self-made intercessors, who have absolutely no authority from Allah Subhanah. Allah tells the Prophet (saws) to ask them sarcastically, whether by invoking the intercessors to take their duas to Allah, do they wish to inform Allah of something which He does not already know!!! Allah has termed this system of ‘wasila’ as shirk in the Holy Quran… and Shirk is a sin which Allah has promised in the Quran never to forgive on the Day of Judgement! And Allah Subhanah never ever goes against His Promises.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 40 Surah Mumin verse 47-48:Then imagine the time when these people will be disputing with one another in Hell. The weak ones will say to the haughty ones, “We were your followers! Now, can you save us from some part of our punishment in Hell?” The haughty ones will say, “We are all in the same state here, and Allah has already passed judgment between His servants.”

Allah draws a scene and conversation between the supposed and arrogant holy men whom the people followed in the life of this world, hoping that they would help them in the Hereafter! No one has the power or authority to alter or influence the Decision of Allah Subhanah.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verses 165-167:There are people who set up equals and rivals with Allah and adore them with the adoration due to Allah! Whereas the believers adore Allah most ardently. Would that these transgressors could realize now what they will realize, when they see the chastisement before them: that power and authority wholly belong to Allah, and that Allah is severe in punishment! When He will inflict punishment, those very leaders and guides whom they followed in the world will disown them. But punishment they shall get and all their bonds shall be cut off. Then those who followed them will say, “Would that we were given another chance to return to the world. Then we will disown them just as they have disowned us today!” Thus Allah will bring before them the deeds they did in the world in such a manner as to make them wring their hands in regret, but they shall be unable to come out of the Fire.

Allah Himself declares that the very leaders and guides whom they followed in the world will disown them on the Day of Judgment! But then it would be too late for those who invoked these people and their graves, and all they will be able to do is wring their hands in regret and disgust!

My beloved brothers, read the Quran once with understanding… and then decide what Path you want to take to your Lord. That is all I ask of you! My duty as your brother, friend, and well-wisher was to invite you to the Revelations of Allah. To accept my invitation, or deny it… is entirely upto you.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verses 103-106:Tell them (O Mohamed), “Should We tell you who are the most unsuccessful people and miserable failures in regard to their deeds? They are those, all whose endeavors in the worldly life, had gone astray from the Right Way, but all along they were under the delusion that everything they were doing, was rightly directed! Those are the people who rejected the Revelations of their Lord and did not believe that they would ever go before Him. Therefore all their deeds were lost, for We shall assign no weight to them on the Day of Resurrection. Their recompense is Hell for the disbelief they showed, and for the mockery they adopted in regard to My Aayahs and My Messengers!”

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 29:Proclaim, “This (Quran) is the Truth from your Lord: now whosoever wills may accept it, and whosoever wills may reject it.” (As for those who reject it) We have prepared for such workers of iniquity a fire whose flames have encircled them. There, if they ask for water , they will be given a drink like the dregs of oil, which will burn their mouths! What an evil drink, and what an evil abode!

I sincerely and humbly apologize to the brother who posed the question to give our comments on the taped conversations of Taizoon Bhaisaheb, for writing such a long answer! But, it is our duty as your brothers in faith, and your sincere well-wishers to declare the clear commands and teachings of Allah Subhanah in front of anyone who cares to listen to good caution.

Had Brother Taizaoon Bhaisaheb armed himself with the Knowledge of Truth of the Glorious Quran, rather than arguing on the baseless points of ‘zaahir-baatin’, ‘mazoon-mukasir’ and the breaking of the Bohra ‘misaak’; he would have done himself a huge favor!

If Brother Taizoon Bhaisaheb insists on challenging the upper echelons of the mis-guided Bohra leadership with his same dogma of ‘zaahir-baatin’, etc….. then his state would be as described by Allah Subhanah Himself in the Glorious Quran:

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 24 Surah Noor verses 39-40:

39 But the Unbelievers, their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when he comes up to it he finds it to be nothing: but he finds Allah (ever) with him and Allah will pay him his account: and Allah is swift in taking account.

40 Or (the Unbelievers` state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with billow, topped by billow topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness one above another: if a man stretches out his hand he can hardly see it! For any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!

Only if Brother Taizoon Bhaisaheb had sought the help of Allah and armed himself with the Truth from the Glorious Quran! For it is the Truth, and Truth Alone, which can set him free……

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 17 Surah Bani Israel verse 81:And declare, “The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. And falsehood is a thing that must, by its nature, vanish!”

Brother Taizoon Bhaisaheb has asked the believers to take his message to the Syedna! Well, guess what? We have made available for him, the Divine Message of the Lord of the Worlds!! It is our ardent desire and prayer to the All-Mighty Lord, that this message of ours reaches Brother Taizoon Bhaisaheb, and whoever else willing to listen to good caution.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your Brother and well wisher in Islam,


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Re: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com


Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:34 pm


For original of above post. go to

http://www.dawoodibohrahelpline.com/vie ... ?QAID=5067


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Unread post by porus » Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:32 pm

What does one make of this Burhan? He is obviously a Wahhabi dupe, who thinks that his is the only version of scriptures that is valid. No other interpretation is acceptable. Rather like the Bohra clergy he is so busy denouncing!! Isn't he?

If the Bohras are misguided, the same argument can be applied to those who follow the Quran? What basis is there for rejecting salvation through Christ Jesus. Quran bashers are plenty and their arguments can easily be found on the web. Or why reject the primordial religion of the Hindus and adopt this alien creed of Islam? Alien, that is, to Indians, who the Bohras are.

No, the only sane religion is to reject all or accept all. Tolerance, man! Let them be. No body can be certain of who has the truth. If you think you have found the truth, then you need to have another look.

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Unread post by barwani » Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:43 pm

Tolerance? That’s soooooo 6th century .. all the cool kids are talking about Acceptance now!

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Unread post by bohraji » Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:51 am

Have to agree with Porus.Burhan and his two brothers are Wahhabi clouts,trying to spread the poison on the innocent community. Obviosly his eldest brother Ismail must have had a row with the kotharis that made him and his entire family fall on to the feet of the wahhabi fanatics.As every one in the region knows about how devoted and ass licking Ismail was once to the kothar .The proof of the tapes still remains a mystery as we cannot be sure as of how the tapes can be authentic.If the truth is so important to Taizoon bhaisaab then why is there no video clip. Perhaps the whole doing is of Ismail and Burhan themselves as they do know the insides of the royal family well enough to let the secrets out. Plus they also have the financial means remember these brothers own amongst themselves one of the largest businesses in the Gulf that would put the heptullahs to shame.

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Unread post by californiaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:56 pm

got a new email from taizoon, go and see his website again he's updated it.

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Unread post by californiaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:01 pm

Here's his email:
I will send you one as soon as possible -- I've already received so many requests that I cannot keep up with the demand. Please note: if you receive a cd, it will only work on your computer and not in a cd player. You can also download the entire cd from the website using an advanced PC (computer). Please remember me in your doa.
WEBSITE BANNED IN UAE : I have received emails confirming that the isp in UAE has banned the website per someone’s instructions -- apparently they are afraid of the truth. This is proof that the people who hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb and are responsible for this poisonous zahir-batin tasawwur have so much power that they can even ban a website on the internet.
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Taking Allah’s qasam, I say that Syedi Mazoon Saheb has been insulted by so many people in my family saying such things to me as "he is like Awwal Thani Thaleth" (naoozobillah!) and that "he is a munaafiq" (naoozobillah!) and that "he is only a figurehead mazoon!" List Of Who Said What To Me I am sincerely requesting all mumineen to go and ask these people whom I have named to reveal who the mazoon is in batin since they only believe in Syedi Khuzaima Bhaisaheb Qutbuddin as mazoon in zahir. If they are so right then why don’t they come out and contest their twisted beliefs? Are they afraid of the facts?! The fact is that Syedi Khuzaima Bhaisaheb Qutbuddin indeed is mazoon in zahir and in batin and there are no books in Dawat which say otherwise. Or have they written new books of Dawat on their own?!
These people have been pressuring me to say something against Syedi Mazoon Saheb because they know I truly believe in him as Aqamola's TUS mazoon in zahir and in batin. They have been using me for years as an instrument to attack Syedi Mazoon Saheb and this is why I have published my website. My website will remain online until these people ask for forgiveness to Aqamola TUS and finally are revealed to the world that they have done the most serious sin any mumin can do by breaking their misaaq. They have been threatening me with physical violence – this is how deep in the gutter they are! Just because they cannot explain their twisted beliefs they are willing to resort to physical violence?!
Fazal Bhai Januwala [url=http://f_januwala.tripod.com/]http://f_januwala.tripod.com/[/url] has also given lots of evidence of the mountains of lies these people have spewed against Syedi Mazoon Saheb for over 14 years!
If Syedi Mazoon Saheb is not a pillar of ikhlaas and sabr than I don't know who is! If they go looking around the earth in every niche and corner they will not find another mazoon but Syedi Khuzaima Bhaisaheb Qutbuddin -- in zahir and in batin! I cry everyday and pray that Aqamola TUS receives Fateh Mubeen over these people and Syedi Mazoon Saheb through Aqamola TUS receives the same. I beg of you as a mumin brother and sister -- with my hands folded -- to forward my website (www.zahirbatin.com) and Fazal Bhai's website (http://f_januwala.tripod.com/) to as many mumineen as possible so that we can save all of them from this extraordinary fitnat and historically colossal attack upon Imam al-Zamaan's SA Dawat and His Dai al-Satr TUS.

If you have not received a cd or cassette please ask your neighbor as I have mailed these all around the world to various mumineen. They are trying to blame this person and that person to divert attention from their mischievous plots against Syedi Mazoon Saheb! They are diverting attention from their twisted tasawwur and perverted aqeeda of zahir-batin because they know they are wrong! And they are trying every way they can to prevent this from reaching Aqamola TUS! And they are still plotting against Aqamola TUS and His Dawat!

Abde Syedna TUS,

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Unread post by californiaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:09 pm

i know this guy taizoon from california he's a very sincere fellow who has been mistreated by his family for going to mazoon sahib for sabaq. this high level personality he speaks of is none other than shahzada mufadal bhaisab . i can recognize his voice on the tapes he has on his website - its taizoon only. feel sorry for the poor fellow i dont know what will become of him now and what they will do to him. i think we should give him our support and listen to him. he is right in saying that we should believe in dai mazoon and mukasir. we should all go to our akamola and ask him to forgive us for all the wrong we have done and all the bad things we say on this board it is not right we should think about what will happen to us when we die we want to go to heaven not to hell.

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Unread post by californiaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:14 pm

we can reform amils and kothar and all but we cannot reform our dai for he is representative of imam uz zaman and he is masum like we believe and we give misaq to him so we should remember all of this. taizoon is just telling us to remember dai mazoon and mukasir and they are important and not anyone else , he is right. i am not a reformist and i donot believe dawat can be reformed only people like kothar and amil can be straighetened out and they will be soon i hope have some patience and hope we are suffering like taizoon who is prince like you say in previous posts.

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Unread post by californiaguy » Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:25 pm

here is his email he sent to shazada idris baisab a few years ago he sent this email to several people one of my close bhaisab friends gaive this to me here it is:
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Tasleemat
Date: 98-08-02 16:14:50 EDT
From: Mumbai52
To: idris@badruddin.demon.co.uk

Shehzada Saheb,

I am in very deep distress and have no one to turn to, and thought maybe you can help. I don't even know how to express what I am about to write, but I have faith in Aqamola's TUS doa mubarak, and know that he will always be with me, until and and even after my last breath. Please read this with shafaqat, as Aqamola TUS would want to see rehmat on any mumin.

Several months ago, Taher bhai Qutbuddin stayed over at our place here in Bakersfield, along with his wife. Before he came, the Aamil Saheb here, and many others from Baite Zaini made it very clear that they will not call our home, or have anything to do with us, as long as Taher bhai is at our house.

During Ashara Mubaraka in Nairobi, Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb called me in the morning one day, and asked me how things were. Then, the following day, he called me again, and told me that "since Taher bhai stayed at your house, he has probably messed up your mind and I want to clean it".

Then, he began to ask me questions like "can a mazoon receive taeed from Imam uzZamaan?" I replied "no". "Then who receives taeed?" I replied: "Aqamola". Then he said: "who will come in your qabr?" I replied: "Aqamola". Then, he began to ask me if I knew what happened with Mazoonsab. I replied that I knew a little bit, but not much. Then he began to tell me things that he said Mazoonsab had done in Africa. He told me to go and ask anyone "right here, any mumin, and they will tell you the story!" I was absolutely shocked! I replied: "I thought Aqamola TUS had said not to talk about this and that Aqamola had given maafi to Mazoonsab?" He said: "yes, but Mazoonsab still did all these things...so what if he had been given maafi, he still did these things, didn't he?!" Then, he went on to tell me what Mazoonsab had done in Udaipur, recently...how he used his hands to give salaami "like Aqamola TUS".

You probably want to shoot me by now, but wallahil azeem, this is what took place in Nairobi with me and Mufaddal Bhaisab. My logic does not allow me to agree with what he says about Mazoonsab. Because according to my logic, and Allah has given me a brain, if Aqamola TUS has kept Mazoonsab a mazoon, and if I try to question anything Mazoonsab does, I am questioning Aqamola. Also, since Aqamola TUS has made Mazoonsab Aqamola's mazoon, Mazoonsab belongs to Aqamola, and I believe he is Aqamola's TUS amaanat, and if I say or do anything against Aqamola's TUS amaanat, I am doing khayaanat. Nobody has told me this...I am deducting this all by myself, with pure and simple logic.

Also, in the ruqu chitthi (that I read in Sahifatus Salaat), which, when I die, I will have this piece of paper next to me, says: "wa bi haqqe dai'il ajal...wa mazoonehi wa mukasirehi...", which means to me that upon my death, I will have next to me as wasila in the ruqu chithi, the names of Aqamola TUS, Mazoonsab and Mukasirsab. How can one say anything against them and expect to receive their wasila in one's grave?

I don't care what anyone does to me anymore. I have simply had enough of this! They can crucify me or kill me or do whatever they want, but I know that when I die, Aqamola TUS will take me to heaven...He said exactly this in His wa'az in Dallas. I know that hell is going break loose on me now, but I am ready for it, for I know that Aqamola TUS will guide me and help me through it all.

I have nobody on this earth except Aqamola TUS who truly cares about me...and my wife. And you know for a fact per my history, that nobody in my family cares about me...it's all a big game for them. I have heard them many times talking about "two firqas that will happen" and "who will be mansoos". I say, Naoozobillah!!!!! May Allah grant Aqamola TUS the longest life, until the day of qiyamat! How can any moomin even think about mansoos! What a bunch of heretics! So when they say "TUS", do that not mean it?!!!! Are they waiting for something?!!!! And they call themselves moomin?! How can any moomin worry about "mansoos"? Why would any moomin worry about this, when the only thing a moomin cares about and loves is Aqamola TUS? What would Aqamola TUS say about all of this if someone were to do araz to him that this is how these people think?

Abde Syedna al Minaam TUS

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Unread post by Just Bohra » Wed Jan 08, 2003 1:39 pm

Long back approximately in 80s Shazada Qasimbhai Saheb has projected himself as 53 rd dai in Madras and terrorised the mumenins. Insulted Prominent personalities of our community. This incident has not come in the notice of Shazada Mufadalbhai Saheb when he has quoted Mazoon Saheb (T.U.S.) in the talk with Taizoonbhai Saheb.

Sahzada Aliasgherbhai Saheb has compelled the management to close down of BIB a business management institute run by Saifee Jubilee High School Sidhpur though it was run by the raja mubarak of Aqamoula (T.U.S.). Just to keep his ego he has managed to bow down this management to close the very well managed and run institute. I am sure that Sahzada Muffadalbhai Saheb will be well aware the tactics used by Sahzada Aliasgherbhai Saheb to bow down the management, which was such a low level that the calibre of shazada will never go at this level. Why shazada Muffaddalbhai Saheb is silent on this issues and targeting only Mazoon Saheb (T.U.S.)?

The then Amil of Chennai Sayyedulkher bhaisaheb has siphoned crores of rupees of karje hasana and the Muffaddalbhai Saheb has taken no action against him. The Kauserbhaisaheb Amil of Kolkatta has looted crores of rupees of mumenins and even after several complains no action were taken but since the management of Amils has been taken over by the Shazada Qaidjohar bhai saheb he has been shifted and the mumenins of Kolkatta are very happy hopping that they will get a new good Amil Who will look for the welfare of mumenin and not for his.

Is Muffaddalbhai saheb is not looking in these incidents only because they are their in-laws?

The Qasimbhai Saheb and Aliasgherbhai Saheb are responsible for the corruption and exploitation of the religion and made it a business.

Shazada Muffadalbhai Saheb should understand that till Aqamoula confirms Mazoon Saheb as his Mazoon no one has right to deny it and to suspect. If at the level of sahzada, they inject the Zahir Batin theory to the gullible bohras then what will happen the taswur and tomorrow some body will start suspecting Dai.

I totally agree with what Taizoonbhai Saheb is saying and the tassawur of both the sahzadis and shazadi Maryambensaheba is wrong and they should give misaq again.

I request all mumenins to boycott all the bhaisaheb and bensaheba who are beliving the non existing tasawoor of Zahir & Batin and we all must not pray behind them not to do any salam and not to attend their bayans and majlis. I think then only they will be checked.

Abde Sayedna (T.U.S.)
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Unread post by MOHD HUSSAIN » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:17 pm

Dear Just Bhora: Since you know lot of people related to Syedna- Would you please tell us the relations of these so many Bhaisahebs & Baisahebs to Syedna ,to each other ,to mazoon & to Mufaddal -Please also tell us who is the eldest son of syedna & in line to be next dai? I am ignorant about all these- Kindly reply- Thanks

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Unread post by Just Bohra » Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:56 am

Originally posted by MOHD HUSSAIN:
Dear Just Bhora: Since you know lot of people related to Syedna- Would you please tell us the relations of these so many Bhaisahebs & Baisahebs to Syedna ,to each other ,to mazoon & to Mufaddal -Please also tell us who is the eldest son of syedna & in line to be next dai? I am ignorant about all these- Kindly reply- Thanks
Dear Mohammed Husein

I do not know much about complete family butknows that Qaidbhai Saheb is eldest and it is not proper to judge who will be the sucssor of Aqa Moula tus since it is moulas previlage to declare.

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Unread post by MOHD HUSSAIN » Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:05 pm

Br Just Bhora: thanks- How is Taizzon related to Syedna Or The Mazzon? thanks

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Unread post by messiah » Sun Jan 19, 2003 4:58 pm

Is the site www.zahirbatin.com still a functioning site?


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Unread post by Humsafar » Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:16 pm

Taizoon, I suspect, has been forced to close his shop and asked to go fly a kite. Here today, gone tomorrow. What was zaahir has suddenly become baatin. A fitting epitaph for a site that has gone into cyber-oblivion. Time for fatehmubin??? :)

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Unread post by jamanpasand » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:21 pm

It appears the Muffadil was the main challenger to Mazuum in 2003.

Has that position changed?

Where is poor Taizoon now ?

Last time, I heard him carried away in police protection from Mumbai.

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Unread post by Maqbool » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:16 am

There is an interesting discussion on this subject on this site. Thou it is old but good reading for abdes.

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Unread post by murtaza2152 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:08 am

Maqbool wrote:There is an interesting discussion on this subject on this site. Thou it is old but good reading for abdes.
Long time ... its a Wahhabi Crap !

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:02 pm

Mazun has not been alloted any area/masjid in this Ramzan by Mansoos and his group where he can conduct Imamat as he has not led a single Imamat prayer till today !

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:47 pm

Article on Dawoodi Bohras in Encyclopaedia of Islam, 3rd Edition

The Encyclopaedia of Islam Three is an authoritative reference work containing entries about a wide variety of Islamic topics. We have graciously been granted permission to host their encyclopaedia entry about Bohras, authored by Dr Bazat-Tahera baisaheba Qutbuddin, daughter of Syedi Mazoon Saheb Qutbuddin, who is Associate Professor of Arabic Literature at the University of Chicago.

Read the article here: Encyclopaedia of Islam Three: Bohras

Dr Bazat-Tahera baisaheba Qutbuddin has also translated a book containing the kalaam of Maulana Ali (AS), titled A Treasury of Virtues: Sayings, Sermons, and Teachings of Ali, with the One Hundred Proverbs, attributed to al-Jahiz, the details of which are below:

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2013/12/24/a ... d-edition/

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:04 pm

The above mentioned article is now mysteriously REMOVED from the kothar sponsored site !!

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:54 pm

What Happened to Taizoon BS
(Observations of a khidmat guzaar in muffadal bs' office)

After being whisked away following his zahir batin website, thanks to Mumbai police support, Taizoon bs fled to the USA. After a few months, he appeared in London under Shehzada Qaiid Johar bs and his misaaq was taken in front of witnesses at the London masjid. He was to be taken to Germany, where Syedna Burhanuddin RA was present for medical treatment at the time, but nobody has any record of him actually being taken there. Of course, mufaddal bs was also in Germany at the time.

Then he was taken to Mumbai, where he spent a year under house arrest of Shehzada Idris bs. He was told to do maafi in public to all other bs. Must have been very humiliating for him, but that was the idea. Many have heard Idris bs telling him that someone 'may come and smack you because everyone is still very angry at you'.

Then one day he was brought to Badri Mahal and escorted to mufaddal bs' office, but he was apparently told that he was being taken to Huzaifa bs' office. He must have been shocked after this deception. Mufaddal bs' wife and others, including myself, were also there, but we were told to leave after Taizoon bs had done salaam to mufaddal bs and mufaddal bs left the room. I could still hear what was being said. Shk Mohammed Husain was talking to Taizoon bs and he said something about reciting an ayat (Rabbana zalamna anfusana...) in front of everyone in Rozat Tahera during the urs majlis at night. Something about so everyone can see him, what he looks like, and he is to ask all mumineen to forgive him for posting his zahir batin website.

Then Ashara was in Dubai and the Ezzi brothers were after him. They were trying to find out which hotel room he was in. We all know why. He was always under threat of violence and everyone, especially Badrul bs and Taha bs were trying to find the right spot to beat him up severely. Maybe that is why he always looked so scared whenever I saw him, understandingly so.

Finally, he was no longer seen after Syedna Burhanuddin RA went to USA for Boston masjid iftitah. He must have been freed after that, possibly because he is a US citizen, and there must have been some enquiry on his behalf.

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:52 am

Would like to see Adam’s comments on this thread !
A dream that may never come true !

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:47 am

Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin, who was mazoon of Syedna Burhanuddin RA for over 50 years, was despised and hated by countless people in Saifee Mahal - for decades - especially Mufaddal bs. This hatred and outright denial of Syedna Qutbuddin ever being the actual mazoon was widespread in Jamea, Baite Zaini, and even aamils. The website zahirbatin.com explained in detail, with evidence, of this hatred and complete denial of Syedna Qutbuddin as ever being the true mazoon of Syedna Burhanuddin RA. These recordings were extensive and long and were recorded by Taizoon bs in the year 2002. CD's of the recordings were even mailed around the world to mumineen.
Attached is one small excerpt from those recordings where Naamah bs wife of Mehlam bs Hakimuddin vehemently downplays any importance of the rutba of mazoon.
Outright Denial of Any Importance of Mazoon Rutba
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:57 am

More excerpts uploaded - see attachments.
Why is mazoon's name in misaaq?
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Taizoon bs says Mukasir Husain Husamuddin gave him this Tasawwur
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:06 am

Taizoon bs explaining the Nairobi episode with him and Mufaddal bs - notice how distressed he is.
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Hatred by countless Qasre Aali individuals for decades. Maryam bs was his grandmother.
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:23 am

More names of family members who told him zahir batin concept and finally, his grandfather told him that the kitaab he prayed near the past mukasir Husain Husamuddin is invalid because Mazoon Mutlaq rutba no longer exists.
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More twists and turns to rattle your mind - that this person is not really that person - listen for yourself!
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:45 am

"Mazoon Mutlaq" appears in several kitaabs. Listen to the total denial and eradication of any importance of mazoon.
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"There is no logic in kitaab" is the answer he is getting!
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"Put your belief in a different compartment" he is told. Mazoon is a munaafiq, he is told - many years before 2002! Why is Burhanuddin Mola taking name of mazoon in misaaq?
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Zahir and batin concept in every kitaab, he is told.
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