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Unread post by kimanumanu » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:50 am

The website was taken down but thanks to the internet archive it is still preserved:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030307023 ... batin.com/

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:12 am

The corresponding recordings have been posted on the previous pages.

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:24 am

haqniwaat wrote:The corresponding recordings have been posted on the previous pages.
Thanks haqniwaat. Request Admin to pin this somehow (to say the nass audio clip thread?) and stick it, so it doesnt get lost.
I believe its far too important to get lost again...

Do you have more? I mean with any where there are other voices on the other side?

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:07 pm

I will try and post all these in one thread.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:16 pm

The website was taken down but thanks to the internet archive it is still preserved:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030307023 ... batin.com/

Recordings attached.
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Unread post by allbird » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:50 pm

Shocking facts, how do this people behave ?? Black devils in white clothing.

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:44 pm

The author of this website has already accepted and admitted his mistakes to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
Taizoon BS is has already come to India and given Misaq to Syedna Mufaddal TUS.

If you don't beliee me, why don't you ask him?

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Unread post by alam » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:08 pm

Adam
Witnesses retract all the time. Prisoners get tortured into confessions for crimes they have not committed.
Who cares who gives misaaq to SMS or not?
Don't we all know what a joke that has become for SMS and company!
They (SMS and company) are the ones who have no respect for their own broken Misaaq from past so many decades. ?

Is this the best defense you have of this zahir
-baatin website? It only shows more of your masters' crimes against truth and justice.

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:14 pm

Adam wrote:The author of this website has already accepted and admitted his mistakes to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
Taizoon BS is has already come to India and given Misaq to Syedna Mufaddal TUS.

If you don't beliee me, why don't you ask him?
Ha ha ha. If I had a nickle for every time you are wrong, I would be sooo rich.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:25 pm

What Happened to Taizoon BS
(Observations of a khidmat guzaar in muffadal bs' office)

After being whisked away following his zahir batin website, thanks to Mumbai police support, Taizoon bs fled to the USA. After a few months, he appeared in London under Shehzada Qaiid Johar bs and his misaaq was taken in front of witnesses at the London masjid. He was to be taken to Germany, where Syedna Burhanuddin RA was present for medical treatment at the time, but nobody has any record of him actually being taken there. Of course, mufaddal bs was also in Germany at the time.

Then he was taken to Mumbai, where he spent a year under house arrest of Shehzada Idris bs. He was told to do maafi in public to all other bs. Must have been very humiliating for him, but that was the idea. Many have heard Idris bs telling him that someone 'may come and smack you because everyone is still very angry at you'.

Then one day he was brought to Badri Mahal and escorted to mufaddal bs' office, but he was apparently told that he was being taken to Huzaifa bs' office. He must have been shocked after this deception. Mufaddal bs' wife and others, including myself, were also there, but we were told to leave after Taizoon bs had done salaam to mufaddal bs and mufaddal bs left the room. I could still hear what was being said. Shk Mohammed Husain was talking to Taizoon bs and he said something about reciting an ayat (Rabbana zalamna anfusana...) in front of everyone in Rozat Tahera during the urs majlis at night. Something about so everyone can see him, what he looks like, and he is to ask all mumineen to forgive him for posting his zahir batin website.

Then Ashara was in Dubai and the Ezzi brothers were after him. They were trying to find out which hotel room he was in. We all know why. He was always under threat of violence and everyone, especially Badrul bs and Taha bs were trying to find the right spot to beat him up severely. Maybe that is why he always looked so scared whenever I saw him, understandingly so.

Finally, he was no longer seen after Syedna Burhanuddin RA went to USA for Boston masjid iftitah. He must have been freed after that, possibly because he is a US citizen, and there must have been some enquiry on his behalf.

Last I heard, he had umuruddin raza for over 9 years in Clark County, Nevada. Apparently there are mumin families there.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:32 pm

http://www.bohranet.com/jamaat-americas
His name is listed here under Clark County, Nevada.

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:40 am

haqniwaat wrote:http://www.bohranet.com/jamaat-americas
His name is listed here under Clark County, Nevada.
Well we certainly wish him peace. He is a courageous and righteous person indeed.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:56 am

Adam wrote:The author of this website has already accepted and admitted his mistakes to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
Taizoon BS is has already come to India and given Misaq to Syedna Mufaddal TUS.

If you don't beliee me, why don't you ask him?
If he has really given misaq to SMS, that may almost be "proof/confirmation" that misaqs are taken under duress.

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:02 am

Adam wrote:The author of this website has already accepted and admitted his mistakes to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
Taizoon BS is has already come to India and given Misaq to Syedna Mufaddal TUS.

If you don't beliee me, why don't you ask him?
Adam
I did ask him and yes he was in Bakersfield for Ashura and yes SMS did create a fissure in his family life. As far as Misq you did take Misaq of SKQ as Mazoon and so did SMS and all the Shezaadas, did they fulfill their Misaq?
While Taizoon;s Misaq to SMS may be under duress your's and SMS's Misaq to SKQ as Mazoon was not. Did you commit sins by not fulfilling your oath (Misaq)

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Unread post by MMH » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:36 am

Adam wrote:The author of this website has already accepted and admitted his mistakes to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
Taizoon BS is has already come to India and given Misaq to Syedna Mufaddal TUS.

If you don't beliee me, why don't you ask him?


Adam....that's the lollest thing I have ever heard!!!! Lol lol lol!

You need to check up your sources because they seem to be highly unreliable. ..

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Unread post by allbird » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:59 am

Total subjugation, using very sadistic approach. So now where does Rasuallah (SWT) or Moula Ali (A.S) or Moulatena Fatema Zahra come into picture. Where is Islam here !

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Unread post by pheonix » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:22 am

Heard the videos for the first time and cant understand what the excitement was all about back then.
The Taizon guy seemed like an absolute illiterate speciallly in the uloom of Haqaiq, and its laughable that the proggies think that he did something really great.

Are there any more audio tapes which have any more substance?

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:27 am

They did shake up kothar though and ultimately this Ashara in Surat, Dai himself confirmed that indeed Mazoon was being targeted all those years.

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:55 am

pheonix wrote:Heard the videos for the first time and cant understand what the excitement was all about back then.
The Taizon guy seemed like an absolute illiterate speciallly in the uloom of Haqaiq, and its laughable that the proggies think that he did something really great.

Are there any more audio tapes which have any more substance?
You are a little slow...So let me explain why. Everyone on these tapes is more or less admitting that batin Mazoon is different. Whereas Burhanuddin Aqa kept insisting that was not so and he himself took Mazoon's name in misaaq till the very end. In effect, everyone in Saifee Mahal was contradicting Aqa Moula - including MS. Get it? Apparently your mastery of of the twisted uloom of Haqaiq that you received from those people did not help you deduce this little thing.

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Unread post by everest » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:10 am

Hats off to this Taizoon bs for his courage to blow the whistle on the hatred that existed for Mazoon saheb Syedi KQ. May Allah reward him for speaking the truth in the face of the tyrant and oppressive regime. Respect!

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:21 pm


1. What am I wrong about?

2.This is a typical Qutbi = Proggy debate.
Whatever Taizoon Bs position is, it really doesn't matter (so why is Haqniwaat adamant on re-posting everything?)
Whatever the site says, or doesn't. Or whatever Taizoon bs or the Qutbi's believe. Whether it is true or a conspiracy theory, This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Nass - which is the foundation of the issue.

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin was appointed Mansoos by a clear Nass, in line with Fatemi Belief.

Bring one iota of evidence, one tiny crumb of proof of Nass on KQ, then continue the debate.
Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

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Unread post by pheonix » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Crater Lake wrote:
pheonix wrote:Heard the videos for the first time and cant understand what the excitement was all about back then.
The Taizon guy seemed like an absolute illiterate speciallly in the uloom of Haqaiq, and its laughable that the proggies think that he did something really great.

Are there any more audio tapes which have any more substance?
You are a little slow...So let me explain why. Everyone on these tapes is more or less admitting that batin Mazoon is different. Whereas Burhanuddin Aqa kept insisting that was not so and he himself took Mazoon's name in misaaq till the very end. In effect, everyone in Saifee Mahal was contradicting Aqa Moula - including MS. Get it? Apparently your mastery of of the twisted uloom of Haqaiq that you received from those people did not help you deduce this little thing.
I think you might be a bit 'slow'. From what i have heard of the tapes posted, nothing of the sort(batin Mazoon is different.) was ever admitted, she just said that a zahir- batin rutba can be different, (or it could be the same too) and nobody but the imam knows.

And i am really curious to know whether the tapes posted was the extent of it or was there more content?

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:27 pm

pheonix wrote:And i am really curious to know whether the tapes posted was the extent of it or was there more content?
Phoenix Bhai/Bhen,
If the audios already posted are not enough for you, I feel like it is a waste of anyone's time to try and explain anything further to you. Good luck!

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Unread post by pheonix » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:18 pm

haqniwaat wrote:
pheonix wrote:And i am really curious to know whether the tapes posted was the extent of it or was there more content?
Phoenix Bhai/Bhen,
If the audios already posted are not enough for you, I feel like it is a waste of anyone's time to try and explain anything further to you. Good luck!
Enough for wat? All I can hear is a fool talking crap.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:27 pm

pheonix wrote:All I can hear is a fool talking crap.
Brother, haqniwaat was referring to the zahir/batin audio tapes and not Muffy's bayans !!

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Unread post by pheonix » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:22 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
pheonix wrote:All I can hear is a fool talking crap.
Brother, haqniwaat was referring to the zahir/batin audio tapes and not Muffy's bayans !!
Gosh if he is slow, then you must be 'dim'

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Unread post by Adam » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:31 am

Jockey wrote:
Adam wrote:
1. What am I wrong about?

2.This is a typical Qutbi = Proggy debate.
Whatever Taizoon Bs position is, it really doesn't matter (so why is Haqniwaat adamant on re-posting everything?)
Whatever the site says, or doesn't. Or whatever Taizoon bs or the Qutbi's believe. Whether it is true or a conspiracy theory, This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Nass - which is the foundation of the issue.

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin was appointed Mansoos by a clear Nass, in line with Fatemi Belief.

Bring one iota of evidence, one tiny crumb of proof of Nass on KQ, then continue the debate.
Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
how about you bring an iota of proof about your fake fatemi beliefs, we all know how good you are at that
What is it now?
I already provided you with evidence.
Please PM me.
I can't keep track of your random questions.

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:54 am

No smoke without fire? From this, now archived, web page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100312003 ... index.html

After Afzalussalaam to the leaders and all mumineen:

O leaders and the workers in Kothar and Amils, are you these people (Quran)"Those who have ears with which they cannot hear." In the last year, Mamluk Syedna TUS had written a letter, in which I disclosed the truth as to what is going on in Jamea and what changes are happening in the beliefs of the Ustads and the students, and how the Kitabs are being mis-interpreted. Haiderali (high in the Kothar) and his party wrote a letter in which they blamed my letter on some other individuals, and questioned me why I had not signed my name in the first letter. Apparently, they, Haiderali and his group also failed to sign their name on the letter they took out. WHY? Because they fear that if they sign their names on the lies they wrote, people in the coming decades will pray lanat on them.

"Every Rutba na Sahib is alone in his position"(This is the bayan in Dawat Kitabs) but instead of that they started saying that there is no need for Mazoon and Mukasir and started doing excess praise "Gulu" (which is deemed not right in our Kitabs) of the Dai. They teach in higher classes in Jamea that the Mazoon Mukasir are different in Zahir and Batin. (Quran): "They make haq wear the clothes of Batil and hide the haq." Fazil is now mafzool or lower than fazil! The Shaitan has made them wear clothes inside out- the wrong way.

One of the famous discourse of Shezada Kalimuddin Sahib is his claim that there is no need for Mazoon and Mukasir and they are EXTRA and are different in Zahir and Batin (according to him, the Mazoon Mukasir we know are only figureheads and the real Mazoon Mukasir are hidden in Batin), and just like Shezada Kalimuddin sahib, many people in Jamea repeat the same. These Jamea Ustads are the flag bearers of Shezada Najmuddin Sahib's (former Amir ul Jamea) philosophy and his workers against Haq. Yesterday, people like that called the Dai a Nazim (administrator), and not the Dai; laanatullah on them, and these Ustads are following in their footsteps.

Najmuddin Sahib took out those four from Jamea (munafiqeen) and he put his forty ustads instead who do ten times more fitnat in Dawat. They guide people against the right path. In fear of Badrul Jamali, every Ustad is scared to do any zikar of Mazoon or Mukasir. In fact, those who do nafrat of these Rutba are very quickly promoted. Now is this Bawasahib's Jamea? Najmuddin Sahib and his sons have taken over Jamea by force like it happened in the Saqeefa, and these people are working in their footsteps. Why? Because they did not get what they wanted! A Rutba!

"They take out the sword of Mohammad upon Mohammad.", they take the name of the Dai and do the wrong interpretation and give misleading statements and make changes in their teachings, all against the Dai and his Rutbas. Does Mola like all this? Never, in the name of the Allah. But there are such issues in the house of Mola!

Shaikh Al Fazil Marhoom Yusuf Bhai Moayyadi (Mukhlis Senior Ustad of Jamea) told me this on his last day in this world. We were at Rangila's house to put the foundation when he told me "Najmuddin Sahib in his private Mehfils (party) used to tell his confidants that make Syedna's Shezadas busy in play like hunting and then tomorrow what will they do without you." Today we see that without Haiderali, Mohammad Hasan and Shakir (who died) they cannot do anything. Jamea is now changed, Yajooj and Majooj have come inside by force.

Syedna TUS's Zaat (self) is the real and true Jamea, so to be in it, it is important that you have a clean and pure heart, Zahir Batin should not be different (Like in the Misaaq). It should not be that one makes a tasawwur (belief) by himself, but takes that belief from our Mola. Syedna TUS says that Duat are Surats of Quran, not like these twisters of the right beliefs who say that Dai is the Quran. Burhanuddin Mola TUS writes that Syedna Taher Saifuddin is like the Yaseen. (Who should we believe, Mola TUS or them)

There is still time, listen to Mola TUS and stay away from the Shaitan's clan whose principle is to create separation between man and wife. All Rutbas are linked to each other (should not be separated, one is Aala and the other is Adna) so respect them all, and stop speculating who the Dai will appoint as his successor. May Allah keep Burhanuddin Aqa amongst us till Qiyamat, Ameen! and may Allah give you all tawfeeq that you become one of those people for whom Syedna Muayyad Shirazi has done doa: "May Allah make you O mumineen those people who stay away from people (who follow shaitan) who do Gulu (excess praise) and Taqseer (lesser respect that what is due) and keep Jannat for you in Aakhirat where there is no naseeb for people who do takabbur like Iblees."

I have given the above advice, because I am a true person, mukhlis, who wants to take it may take it, and who wants to leave it may leave it, I have not given it for any reward.

Abde Syedna AlMinaam TUS

Mola's Khadim who with fear does khidmat of teaching in Al Jamea tus Saifiyyah.

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:00 am

Why did Mukasir (now new Mazoon) change his stance? From another, now archived, web page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100312002 ... a/id2.html

I recieved this email yesterday. It details the power structure of the Shezadas who was controling Dawat and creating a wall between and Haq and Batil

Badrul Jamali (BJ for short) and his family are now controlling the administration of Dawat! They can beat up mumineen they dont like (Mansoor / Shabbir Yamani in Surat) and do fitnat against Mazoon Sahib all the time and get away with it! First Question is why? Why do they do that? Its obvious to most intelligent mumineen that they do it for worldly reasons. To get more power and to keep that power all the time. The reason I Say THEY is that its not just Badrul Jamali alone. His brothers, sisters and his whole family are with him. They are all supporting and helping his evil activities enjoying material benefits for themselves.

But the second question is even more serious. Why are Aqa Moulas (TUS) Shehzadas aligning themselves with him, especially Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, whom I respected quite a bit before it became very clear to me that he is supportive of all of BJs activities. Shezada Sahebs wife is Badrul Jamalis sister, so BJ is always protected no matter how much he terrorizes mumineen. We are at a time in the history of Dawat when a big fitnat is being planned right under our noses. One could hardly imagine that people in high places could act harmfully towards Dawat. Today, many mumineen are beginning to discover just that.

Badrul Jamali and associates are using Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb to practice their evil activities, oppress mumineen and instill fear in mumineens hearts. On the other hand, they do propaganda of displaying Shezada Sahib as the chosen one. The fact that Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb relies on such people like Badrul Jamali and Mohammad Hasan of Cairo speaks a lot about Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisahebs own character. Instead of learning from Aqa Moula TUS, this Shehzada seems to have received his training from his Sasra - Yusuf Bhaisaheb Najmuddin the Father of BJ.

It was obvious that when Aqa Moula TUS made young Khuzema Bhaisaheb Mazoon-e-Dawar, old Yusuf Bhaisaheb was very upset. Everybody knew that. Now BJ and associates want us to believe Yusuf Bhaisaheb is some kind of a saint! Yusuf Bhaisaheb infact is the one who has sown these evil seeds in Saify Mahal and Kothar and Jamea and corrupted their minds. They have chosen Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb as their Leader, and are openly saying they will not accept anything else. Otherwise why this opposition and Muqaabla of Mazoon Saheb? Why this open Challenge to Aqa Moula TUS? They are not willing to even accept Mazoon as Mazoon as we learn from Taizoon Bhaisaheb (http://www.zahirbatin.com) who revealed their beliefs to the community. The general mumineen think this is an internal family fued. FAR FROM IT. This cult attacks our Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin TUS with their shameful activities and atrocities on mumineen. To stand on the side and let this cult impose themselves on us mumineen is more shameful.

Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims! Is it not true that Imam-uz-Zamans presence in Satr is by these 3 Rutbas-Dai, his zayre dast Mazoon and Mukasir. Then what compels Mohammed Hasan to say this? Why does he talk against Mazoon and Mukasir and drives the propaganda machine for Shehzada saheb through his cronies in Misr? To say that to call Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Moula is OK, but to call Mazoon Saheb Moula is a gunah? Mazoon Sahib was appointed in that Rutba by Aqa Moula TUS since he is worthy of it, and on the other hand, Shezada Saheb needs to be propped up by this propaganda machine of Aamils, Jamea and Tanzeem etc, all of whom are obviously dependant on this group and their leader for their well being.

When Shezada. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb started pressuring mumineen to do Vajebaat 2 times more, 3 times more, and some even 10 times more this year in Ramadan, this group supported the idea no matter how absurd it was. Low-income mumineen were pressured to give Vajebaat of amounts that constituted 50% of their years income or their safai chithi was refused! Aamils and Khidmat Guzars were made to pay extreme amounts than their last years Vajebaat, and all those who did not have the money were given loans. Vajebaat means what is Vajeb on what you have, so if you have to take a loan, then you never had it in the first place! And where will these so called Khidmat Guzars get the money from? Obviously from the community. I cant wait to see what happens next year! Double again?

Aqa Moula TUS has never said to give Vajebaat by taking loan. Then who runs this parallel show? Everyone knows it is Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. They dont care about the poor mumineen in our community, for I know for a fact how the money is distributed amongst their loved ones. Zohra baisaheb, the wife of Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb gives her hand to men to do Salaam and they kiss it!! Since when does she have Mehram with so many men, or is she trying to fill the vacuum left by beloved Busaheba?

Seems like Badrul Jamali and group have already proclaimed their own leader and do not want to wait for Aqa Moula TUS. True Ikhlaas would be to do doa for Aqa Moulas TUS Long life till Qiyamat and Zuhur of Imam on Moulas hand, not by self proclamation! This tasawwur of Ikhlaas was given by none other than Mazoon Saheb to one of my friends.

Mukasir Saheb made it very clear in one of his Sabaqs in Mumbai recently when he said that the Rutba and Rutba na Sahib, meaning the person in the Rutba are the same. He totally negated the fundamental lie of Zahir-Batin propagated by this Nifaaqi group and said that only Dushmans of Dawat would propagate such a this Tasawwur. He said much more and clarified that to NOT believe in any one of the Rutba na Saheb is Nifaaq.

BJ and associates tried to beat up Taizoon Bhaisaheb by sending members of Burhani Gaurds and Ezzi family members, who are all hardcore supporters of Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb. If you read his website www.zahirbatin.com, he describes the horror he faced in detail, Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should never have talked ill of Mazoon Moula to Taizoon Bhaisaheb. The fact that these people resort to violence and call violence Mohabbat nu Josh speaks a lot about them.

Then we have this great lawyer, Mustafa AbdulHussain in London, who writes on Dbnet and mumineen.org that Taizoon bhaisaheb's exposing of this Nifaaqi ZahirBatin belief in this manner of putting it up on the website and sending CDs to people is questionable! He says that Taizoon's claim that he had to resort to these means because he could not do Araz to Aqa Moula TUS means that he (taizoon) believes that the Dai is unaware of the situation, if the situation exists, and that if we believe that the Dai can be unaware, then we believe that the Dai is not infallible (infallible means Masoom/Ismat). This is the weakest belief one can have. The Dai is aware of everything the almighty makes him aware of and sees by the light of Allah and Imam, but also lets some things be as they are for Hikmat purposes. There are many examples of that. For example see what Januwala has on his website: http://f_januwala.tripod.com/

Moula Ali AS cut the hands of a man who was actually not guilty of committing that crime, so do we say he is not infallible! Mr. Mustafa the lawyer may have a degree in law, but he does not have 10 cents worth of knowledge regarding Dawat Ilm. I am sorry to say this, but calling Taizoon a reformist as Mustafa Abdul Husain has done, is committing a big SIN as he has called a mumin a munafiq and by doing so, as per bayan of Syedna Hatim RA in Kitab Tambih al Gafeleen, he, Mustafa, himself is now a munafiq unless he repents!! Of course there is pressure on the Dai and as seen in History, Rasulullah SAW went to do battle of Ohud outside Madina due to pressure from others, when actually Rasulullah's SAW opinion and decision was to fight by staying in Madina. So yes, these things are possible and can happen as per Hikmat. Aqa Moula TUS took the name of Mukasir in this Gadir Misaaq and said it is Syedi Saleh bhaisaheb Safiuddin. Everyone knows this and most understand that it can happen. The Human factor is there, but the Dai is greater than Malaikat because he does what he does even being in this Human Body, where else even Malaikat have faltered after being totally spiritual (as per bayan in Adam Nabi history). The Dai is infallible, yes, and the true meaning is that he will never pass away without conferring Nass on his Mansoos. Moula Burhanuddin TUS will never pass away without conferring Nass, but I do doa that may Allah grant Aqa Moula TUS his wish that Imam does Zuhur on his hands.

What next everyone wonders? Now that this cult is spreading lies about Mazoon Moula and speaking openly against the Qasam we take in Misaq, are we just going to sit and do nothing? The best way to show them that they cannot move mumineen from the right path to their evil motives (see picture no.1 which is attached to this document) is to show our love for our Aqa Moula TUS and his Mazoon and Mukasir whenever the opportunity arises. We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil. Our misaaq is not to the Shehzada or Royal Family or Aamil or who has the power. That is not what takes us to heaven. It is the belief in Aqa Moula TUS and what he tells us to believe in- his Mazoon and Mukasir. Everything else is irrelevant. Dont let Badrul Jamali and his group fool you even if they have the backing of the high and mighty Shehzadas. Lets be truthful to ourselves and keep our faith and not let the Shaitaan steal it, like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it. To speak against Rutba na Sahebs is like doing the work of Shaitaan. The Rutbas and everything else is Aqa Moulas TUS responsibility, lets not do the sin by trying to take that responsibility from Moula TUS. May Allah give Moula TUS life till Qiyamat.

Ameen

Mamluk-e-Syedna TUS

Mumin Mukhlis-Khidmat Guzar

I am from Royal Family-Saify Mahal-Have taken Sabaq from Mukasir - e - Dawat, who has always given Haq ni Tasawwur. May Allah give him Jazaa - e - Khair.

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Re: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com

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Unread post by Hamd » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:18 am

Bismillah hi taa'laa

I asked this question to one of KQ sympathizer but as usual he run away and didn't replied, so I am asking again, since KQ says mazoon and mukasir are highly respected rutbas and dawat cant run without them, so why he has not declared his mazoon and mukasir till now? its been months he has declared himself dai but yet not declared his mazoon and mukasir, if he dies tomorrow who will be his successor