Saifee Hospital

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practical
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Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by practical » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:16 pm

On the day of the Daris and iftitha of Saifee hospital (a community iftitah this is explained in an email by Dawoodi bohra net), was relayed live by satellite all over the world. It is obvious that this program was shown to the mumenins live at Masjids. While showing the children’s ward there was music played. This confirms that bohras have accepted the music in the Masjids.

Another point is they have shown a film of Moazizas of Aqamoula before the daris starts. In this moaziza one person is permanently cured from the cancer by dua of Aqamoula. One can not understand why so much expense has been done on the building of hospital when Aqamoula can cure by only dua.

mumineen
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Unread post by mumineen » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:37 pm

MUMBAI Newsline:

South Mumbai to get new hospital

With 200 doctors and 295 beds, Saifee Trust Hospital to open on June 4

Prachi Jatania

Mumbai, May 30: Hospital trivia
• The Saifee hospital was envisioned by Syedna Taher Saifuddin, who led the Dawoodi Bohra community from 1915 to 1965 and fostered efforts in medical care for the community
• His son and successor Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, the present head of the Bohras, rebuilt the Saifee hospital to provide healthcare facilities to all
• A 1985 souvenir, which includes chapters by Adamjee E M Peerbhoy, mentions that Mahatma Gandhi once stayed at the sanatorium
• During 1897-1898, it functioned as a plague hospital

THE imposing structure stands tall, only a 100 feet away from the city shoreline. From June 4, this structure, the 10-storeyed Saifee Trust Hospital, will transform the healthcare scene in South Mumbai.

‘‘It’s a proud moment for the community and our family. The healthcare needs of the poor will be taken care of,’’ said Ali Akbar Adamjee Peerbhoy, the great grandson of noted philanthropist Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy, the first Indian sheriff of Bombay.

With 33 specialised departments, 200 doctors and 295 beds, the Dawoodi Bohra community’s maiden initiative in the city looks at fostering the healthcare needs of the area.

The multi-speciality hospital, with its traditional Islamic dome and arch, bears witness to its historic past. In 1886, the hospital was a sanatorium and teaching institution for the community.

Originally built by the late Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy, the prime property was handed to him in 1830. The three building wings housed two masjids—for men and women—and resthouses for pilgrims.

A 1985 souvenir details how orphan Bohra boys were taught Koran in Gujarati and how they ‘‘studied Arabic literature and Mohammedan theology’’.

By restoring the sanatorium and Peerbhoy’s shrine—he died in 1913, the Saifee hospital is keeping alive its pre-Independence legacy. ‘‘With respect to Sir Adamjee’s dedicated work, the sanatorium has been housed at the same spot,’’ said a hospital spokesperson.

‘‘It’s a good initiative, it will have the best patient service,’’ said Murli Deora, former MP.

prachijatania@expressindia.com

idrish
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by idrish » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:58 pm

Jahannam ma hazaro saal jalse AAP na dushman
Kahe che sagla qudsani, Ghanu jeevo Ghanu jeevo

The remarkable feat that Aqa Mola (T.U.S) has achieved is impressive, infact every act of His from, from the very small to something to this scale is inspiring and humbling.

All the Kafirs here who talk about the mismanagement of funds in the community should see and now realise where our beloved Moula uses the funds that are gathered. It is all devoted towards us momineed. The money we pay in shape of Niyaaz, Sila Fitra, Qarz-al-Hasana is in the end used for our own betterment.

The roohani shaan and jalwa that we have witnessed, specially in the past few weeks have strenghtened our belief in Mola and imm sure many among from you will join on the side of the real truth as this will take us to Jannat INSHALLAH.

Aakhir ma .. MOULA MUBARAK MUBARAK MUBARAK !!!

mumineen
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by mumineen » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:19 pm

"idrish" says:
"The money we pay in shape of Niyaaz, Sila Fitra, Qarz-al-Hasana is in the end used for our own betterment. "

- Dahodwalla of Boston paid 52 crore rupees towards the cost.

- Mumineens throughout the world were compelled to pay/pledge for the hospital. See sample reference below:

http://www.torontojamat.ca/Ntorontojama ... spital.htm

http://www.torontojamat.ca/Ntorontojama ... 20Form.pdf

- The Saifee Hospital's first function is to use it as a Darees Hall - NOT a hospital.

access reference below:

http://www.torontojamat.ca/Ntorontojama ... abudat.htm

"THU 26-May-05 Video Relay of Darees from Saifee Hospital. Salawaat nu jaman after namaaz. 7:00PM"

- The Saifee Hospital, like the Roza Tahera, will be used as a Mint by the Kothar - a cash cow!. The Bohris would be compelled to seek treatment at the Saifee Hospital, when they seek raza and benedictions from Aqua Moula for their ailments.

- The Kothar arranges to send "indentured" medical specialists to some of the developing countries to treat mumineens - but they (through the local jamaats) charge "an arm and a leg" -literally, for their services.

Nobody is jealous of the Grand Saifee Hospital. It is the delusion of grandeur and showmanship - at the expense of the gullible and oppressed Bohri Community, by the Kothar and Aqua Moula which is obscene and uncalled for. Why ask a politician to inaugurate - not a religious leader?

ushay
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by ushay » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:31 pm

y3h to acha hua naam hum ney tera
apni kashti mein pehley sey likhwa liya
dur sey hum ko tufaan takta raha
bach gaye aaj hum dubtey dubtey !
regards to our beloved moula Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin (TUS) for us he is the true spiritual leader no matter wht other munaafiks say !
DAI KEY DUSHMANO GAUR SEY AB SUNO
RAAH SEEDHI CHALO AKL SEY KAAM LO
AAJ TAK AESA REHBAR NA TUM LAA SAKEY
EK MUDDAT HUI DHUNDHTEY DHUNDHTEY !
dUndhtey reh jAogey :)

idrish
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by idrish » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:56 pm

My dear brother ..

Our Moula is not just the Spiritual leader of our community but he is also an astute politician (look up the meaning of 'politician' in a dictionary ... it does not have a negetive connotation) He is the leader of a million strong community of followers and he knows that we live in a world where we are constantly effected by worldly forces .. and it was wise to have the hospital inaugrated by the head of the state, a worldly figure, so as to strike a balance b/w duniya ane aakhirat.

and bhai ... this hospital has been widely publicised as been made by the Aqa Mola (TUS)and mumineen for the momineen and not haveing borrowed a penny from outside entity. I live alone in a western country and we too were asked to contribute in our own way but I was never forced at all.

One more thing I noticed that u are a severe critic of community's policies and that you bear such a strong grudge against Aqa Moula (TUS), then why do you call Him 'AqaMola' in the first place ? I understand Aqa and Mola are words u use for someone who u revere and respect.

Bhai, look into your heart and follow what it says rather then a few wolves in sheep's clothing. Preach and return the love and respect that Moula has given you.

May Allah grant our beloved Moula a long long life .. AMEEN !!!!

Abd-e-Syedna TUS.

allbird
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by allbird » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:51 am

Can anyone of you "Progressive" tell me your contribution (Rs/$$/ wise) towards Saifee hospital apart from that you people are also benefitted from this venture (30 beds allocation ).

If you have contributed apart from writing letter to President/Prime Minister well and good if not shutup and enjoy charities from us to you.

A gift from Aka Moula to you.

Mamluke Syedna :)

Invincible
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Invincible » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:27 am

To all dawaat na dushmano

It is my extreeme sincere pleasure to see aqua mowla inaugurating the Saifee hospital. this is a marvelous blow to all of you Kafirs and dawaat na dushmano. You "dogs" have barked all the time in various ways in impeding the construction of Saifee hospital (financial mismanagements, court cases) but today the world have acknowledge mowlas philanthropy, its noble deeds and international respects. We have won; we have truly won the battle. Mowla's wish and happiness is fulfilled. Every dawoodi bohra today is proud to be a faithful follower of Sayedna Muhamed Burnaduin mowla. The prime minister of India, manmohamd sing tribute itself is a manifest of the respect my truly bawa shafiq holds. The international dignitaries have accepted mowla contribution and so dawoodi bohra community is extremely proud to see the auspicious opening of the grand Saifee hospital on the 94th Birthday of Aqua mowla. We are truly very very proud to be the followers of Fatemi dai, and it is the ehsaan aqua mowla on us mumineen.

I wish you guys for the sake of humanity, if you can't appreciate the noble deed of serving the humanity, if you can't realize the respect mowla has attained in the world, then trully your senses are farcical and in a dark corner. Your hatred and ingnomity is clearly evident. May Allah bless Mowla more victories and bigger blows to you lainos.

My posting will surely have many replies from you all munafekeen, I will see many complains but the truth is the respect our mowla has attained at the international standards, and in India itself is a manifest of our Victory. Today everywhere we are proud to be from a Dawoodi Bohra community. I wish mowla a long long healthy life and more prosperity for dawaat. More blows to your dark stinky faces.

Mufadal

moomin052
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by moomin052 » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:44 am

to the muddai who says we have music in our masjids what next will you also stop recitation of marsiyas and madehs also,why dont you grow up and accept shan of our moula ,must have hurt you guys a lot seeing pm saheb at opening of hospital huh?,anyway where is ajgar(poisonous python)?probably licking his wounds in some dark corner or has he died of envy and hasad,ponchi gayo jahannam ma? you cannot win against our moula whatever you try. saifee hospital bani gayi ane iftetah bhi thayu shan si thayu,tame jalo ane jalo tamara nasib ma yej che

spot
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by spot » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:58 am

just a reality check...a full service hospital in a western country would cost about 80-100 million us dollars (about 36,000 indian lakhs or 360 crore). this is one that would be approximately 1/2 the size of saifee hospital. of course work wages are far lower in india.

trance
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by trance » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:16 pm

dear muklis bhaiyo n behno,

Aqa Mola (TUS) has really hurt these jahanam na tukdas , have you noticed the stunned silence !!

lets keep it that way we all know aqa mola ni shaan evi che ke jalsao par jalsao diklav se and dushmanoe ne batavseh.

Asghar! its approaching monsoon season ! maybe you will get flushed out of your hole for once and for good.

We always win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bye for now

Ajgar_Killer
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Ajgar_Killer » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:46 pm

where R U all reformist RATS....probably gone in ur DARK (S) HOLE ;) Bhai bolunga to bologe ke bolta hein...lekin baat u hein ke ISSE PEHLE YAHA ITNI SHAANTI KABHI NAHI DEKHI....i m not able to digest it....lagta hein BOLTI band ho gayi....1 more POWERFUL kick on ur S

Hussain
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Hussain » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:14 pm

Hi All
Believers and non believers.
So you all are now opposed to Saifee Hospital.
Why? I dont understand.But if thats the stand you all want to take , so be it.
Just reflect amongst yourselves , as you accuse mainstream bohras , arent you all being forced to have an opinion on matters that relate to the Great Leader that is Aqa Maula(TUS).
I mean anything he does you all immediately inclined to oppose no matter if it is good or bad.
Now all he does cannot be bad in all your eyes. But not from you has the guts to voice a "POSITIVE" opinion about this great man and his vision on this forum , if you are as democratic as you all potray , why is this not seen?

babu
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by babu » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:25 pm

Isi ko kehte hain ..." TELI KA TEL JALEY AUR MASAALCHEE KI ---- JALEY

:D

Udaipuri
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Unread post by Udaipuri » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:33 pm

Yes, we reformists are so jealous that, now you all "mukhlis" will get free treatment at the posh Saifee Hospital.

You guys have best of both the worlds: 2 kharas and 2 mithas at free jamans and now a free bypass (surgery) at Saifee Hospital.

Aqa Moula could not have arranged for a better deal.

allbird
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by allbird » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:22 am

Hahahhaa....hhaaaaa

One who laughs the last laughs the most. Look at all those posting from mumineens on your forum. We beat u in the streets, in life and on forums too, on all fronts. LOSERS.....

Ah Mohd Husian - Insaf kaka galli ma bhaga galli ma k...... Insaf M.....

W'll wait for you next attraction. Insa-Allah w'll beat you again.

Ala Moula (TUS) Zindabad

Average Bohra
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:24 am

The Hospital is truly a great architectural structure. I have some questions as I don't know the details (I wasn't even aware of its construction until the recent posts on this board).

1. Is this Hospital for Bohras only ?
2. Is it a not-for-profit or otherwise subsidized in any way ?
3. Why did some beds have to be "allocated" for the Progressives ? Could you just not walk / drive up and recieve service ? How did you manage to get 30 beds ? (Google search shows some court case regarding Peerbhoy).

Info. is sincerely appreciated...

khuzema
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by khuzema » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:04 am

The buliding looks great. Very nice, good Job.

Lets hope and pray that the hospital will continue to serve the southern part of the mumbai for years and years to come.

Good work indeed.

khuzema
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Unread post by khuzema » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:11 am

As posted on Ekhwan

http://hikmah.ekhwan.com/2005/05/saify-hospital.html

The article says, the hospital building is the tallest building in the Mumbai. This is 100% false. The hospital is defiantly a very good work but why to propagate lie. I was told that there are 4 taller building then the hospital in just 5 km radius of the hospital. There are many taller buildings in entire Bombay when compare with hospital.

moomin052
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by moomin052 » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:58 am

to udaipuri now you are also jealous of the food we eat wether its three kharas or three mithan tane su bare che, it is all nemat of aqa moula(tus) and yes aqa moula has built this hospital so all mumineen can get faido, tu jalto rehje ajgar na sathe

BB
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by BB » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:11 am

I think we should be proud of a good peace of work in the form of saifee Hospital...but only question arises is is it going to be useful for a common man? or it would be like our MUSAFIRKHANA which cost you more than a hotel and we have to be under a lot of restriction.
I hope they don't ask for "Safai ni chitthi"even in case of EMERGENCY.

I hope and pray that a common men get benefits from the hospital contributed by common men.

practical
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by practical » Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:09 am

Moomin052,

It is clear from your post who is jealous!

So you confirm (Indirectly)that the music is acceptable in the masjid!

The other thing is you will never understand difference between marsiaya and music. First change your language, you are exposed to the world and being a follower of Aqamoula in does not suits you to write in the language you are using.

May god bless you.
Vassalam

Hussain
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Hussain » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:38 pm

This is to average bohra , man (or woman) you really are average or you live in a part of the world where no Mumin news reaches.
Saifee Hospital is one of the newest and most modern hospitals in India today.
It does have some allocation for needy people and thats where the progressives can come in and get free treatment if they cannot afford it the same is for any person of any community.
The rest of the treatment will be charged as usual.

akeel
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by akeel » Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:59 pm

This is for Khuzema,
Well i agree its a mistake in the article. What it meant was one of the tallest and it doesnt look that high but the hieght of the building is not only taken by what it is above ground but also the basements. So as you know the Saifee Hospital is well below the ground and its the first one in Mumbai to get permission to build three levels of basement as compared to two previously and the third part of the basement is surrounded bu water which is a comendable job by the builders considering how difficult it is to build it under those circumstances. I hope i have cleared the misconceptions as i ahve learnt this during my university.

akeel
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by akeel » Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:01 pm

and also one more thing. There is an error on part of the person who put the article in that site you mentioned Khuzema. ITs the Tallest HOSPITAL in mumbai not building as you can check it on this link below
http://archive.mumineen.org/awliya/duat ... pital.html

bye

Average Bohra
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:01 pm

hj786,

I live in a part of the world where they don’t know that Mumin’s exist, and Mumin news is obviously non-existent. Needless to say it is not high on my “must read news” category either.

Thank you for the information regarding Saifee Hospital. Hospital’s are a very lucrative business, and I am assuming it is more so the case in India due to the prohibitive cost of entry and limited competition. Which raises another more significant question.

Why are you guys treating this endeavor as an adroit philanthropic event ? Building a lucrative family business from donated money is a marvelous business accomplishment, not charity.

Hussain
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Hussain » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:14 pm

Hey Average

Well what can I say , if youre the kind of guy or gal whod rather answer these chats than actually looking for facts thats ur problem.
As far as being proud of this hospital its strange and even absurd that you should ask this question.
This venture is built in the memory of one of the greatest Dai by another equally great Dai who we are proud is our Leader and Father in every sense of the word.
If your dad built a great thing wudnt you be proud of it.
And when you say family business , that may be true but remember we are a HUGE family more than a million people in this family and we are all proud of what our beloved Father has acheieved.
Who knows even you may be part of it.
Not all in a family get along now do they!!

Average Bohra
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:59 pm

hj786,

I went looking for facts regarding the rate structure for the hospital and I found no information on it, just propaganda. That is when I decided to post my question on this board. Feel free to confirm on the malumaat and mumineen sites.

Again, great looking building, much needed facility, and as family members I trust you will partake in the profits.

Best wishes to you and your family on this new entrepreneurial endeavor

tahir
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Re: Saifee Hospital

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Unread post by tahir » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:19 pm

This venture is built in the memory of one of the greatest Dai by another equally great Dai
LOL... :D
but remember we are a HUGE family more than a million people in this family and we are all proud of what our beloved Father has acheieved
didnt know that mulla burhanuddin has over one million illegitimate children (all morons though)...all must have born by mere "phook" and "shifa noo paani"....

....ok jokes apart, bohris are literally one big family cuz of this practice of marrying within cousins (both cross and parallel).....any bohri can track his relation to any other bohri in any part of the world just within 4 generations....digging into an old thread of this forum, it is generally believed that children of such marriages are prone to genetic deseases...adding further, I would say that children of such marriages are usually of below average IQ (read morons)....and guess what!! mulla burhanuddin promotes such marriages.....I wonder if he is doing this to create an army of million idiots whose intellects are too low to see through his misdoings and who can blindly accept him as "father".....(O beloved father... ;) )

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:27 pm

In India, such people who marry their own sister (cousin) are called "BHENCHOD"....

PS: admin, plz dont delete this message cuz I am just trying to tell people the origin of this most commonly used slang of the subcontinent.

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