what are the bohras of today???

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what are the bohras of today???

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:15 am

the bohras are no longer muslims nor even the tayebbi ismailis as per the daim-ul-islam, which is supposed to be the foundation of the bohra faith.

while emphasising only roza, namaz, taharat and haj, the other principles of islam are being completely ignored or have been mutated and perverted to suit the dai's nefarious designs. zakaat is an individual's right to perform, here it has been hijacked and twisted by these crooks and they extort and appropriate everything for themselves! as for the foremost principle of tauheed, belief in only ALLAH and nothing else besides, is also now blown to smithereens! the dai is worshipped as ALLAH and bohras do sajda to him and pray 2 rakats to him, call him natiq-e-quran, a veritable kaaba, having the noor of khuda on his face and much more such blasphemy!

even the principle of valayat of ali is being treated as a neccessary evil. they only want to talk about him in passing, but actually following his practices of austerity, self-sacrifice, highest standards of integrity, standing up for his beliefs and facing upto the enemies of islam with determination and courage, his generosity and philantrophy, his utter simplicity in life and his modesty in behaviour, shunning of praise and sycophancy... all that is something that is complete anathema to the dai, and mention of these superlative qualities of ali have been quietly and very cleverly swept under the carpet by these crooks! would they want to highlight the virtues of ali which contradict the lifestyle and tyranny of this dai and his father??

what bohras are today are neither muslims nor the tayeebi ismailis of yore. they are a strangely mutated breed or cult which is being led astray by a megalomaniac and his even more unscrupulous family. systematically deprived of knowledge, fed lies and half truths, brainwashed and manipulated, terrorised and emasculated, the bohras are no longer recognisable as anything to do with islam. wearing white clothes and topis is not a sign of identity or piousness, it has become a tool to create an army of slaves and discourage dissent, enforce discipline and instill a false sense of hope that maybe we are angels who worship ALLAH in the dai's form!?

in my opinion we are technically now a sub-sect of the shia-tayebbi-ismaili-dawoodi-muslims, i am at a loss to describe or define this mutant sect, perhaps learned friends can provide some suggestions...?

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Unread post by abde sayedna » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:28 am

ok now u who dont even knows his future n what is going to happen after death will explain us who is a muslim

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:23 am

...and now you, who is not even a muslim or even a shia of ali, but following some strange religion in which yr god is burhan and u are his blind slave, is going to come to this forum to justify himself????????

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Unread post by like_minded » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:45 am

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
ok now u who dont even knows his future n what is going to happen after death will explain us who is a muslim
You must shift your focus towards life.. because there is nothing after death.

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Unread post by abde sayedna » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:52 am

I WOULD WISH THAT THERE COULD BE A COURIER SERVICE SO THAT UR LATE REFORMIST COULD RIGHT U A LETTER THAT WE WERE WRONG

EVEN HINDUS BELIVE LIFE AFTER DEATH SO IT MEAN U R NOT EVEN APPLICABLE FOR HINDU

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:31 pm

himaare syedna,

yr syedna is running a very efficient courier service. pay him money, he writes a ruku chitthi, it is recd with yr body and the doors are opened to the morgue..

why look for others to send courier?

btw, when are we celebrating syedna's mother's urus?

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Unread post by abde sayedna » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:38 am

yes zulfikar u r rigth our sai chitti is our way to jannat do u have any service like this

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:07 pm

himaare-syedna..

yr replies sound like the hujjat of a typical miyabhai.. even if he is buried under a ton of faeces, he will still keep his tangdi up in the air.... as if hoping that will show him to be right, something similar to "***** ki doom tedhi to tedhi"!!

yr syedna gives safai chitthi after doing safaya of poor bohras..!

btw, after u got married, did u completely neglect yr mother, abandon her and forgot all about her? refused even to mention her name and totally cut her out from your family history? never visit her grave and let it go to ruins?

that is what yr beemar syedna has done to his own mother, in order to keep earning his haraam ni kamai!!

also it seems clear that u are one of the chalis chor of yr ali baba?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:24 pm

syedna's himaar (abde syedna),

why are u not answering my questions about syedna's mother? and what about yr bawasaab hunting and killing animals in the name of the imam? or refusing to touch ordinary bohras without a rumaal, unless there is lots of money in yr hand or its non-bohras he is shaking hands with?

and what about the rest of the principles of islam, like tauheed and valayat, which the bohras are not following and instead mocking with their sajdas to dai and ignoring mention of maulana ali's lifestyle?

kem dum dabavine bhagi gayo abde??

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:20 pm

still no reply from anyone on what shud be the correct religious definition of the bohras today???

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Unread post by JC » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:20 pm

Bohras religious identity is:

Bohdus ....!!!

Boh = Bohra
Dus = from hinDUS

and when u speak, it will sound so convincing..!!

This cult has NO religion, they worship a mortal known as Dai, and are grave worshipers.... what else one can say.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:49 pm

i think that the bohras should very proudly start calling themselves from now on..

"TAHERIS"

just that and nothing else. as they worship taher saifuddin as ilahe-e-ard (in his own words during the chandabhai gulla case) and after his death, his son automatically becomes allah and his sons and grandsons as royal sons of allah (another blasphemy they have created) and do sajda to them and pray 2 rakats to them and call the dai as the quran-e-natiq and the veritable kaaba, allow him to hunt endangered animals, fly in chartered planes and accept that he is so divine that his refusal to touch them like untouchables is ok.. but non-bohras are fine, they can be touched as they are halal, the taheris are haraam!

since all this new stuff started from taher saifuddin and he was the new prophet, sorry allah of theirs, rightly bohras shud be very proud to call themselves taheris. there is no need to add muslims, shia's or even bohras after this name, as these taheris are completely different from all these. this is a new religion invented and enforced by taher, later his son burhan and soon one of burhan's sons..

so let us agree from now on to call himaar abde, gulf, frog, pig, african and their fellow fidayeen as TAHERIS.

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:11 pm

Good idea brother Al Zulfiquar.

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Unread post by JC » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:27 pm

Agreed Bro Al-Zulfikar.

These people are Taheris.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:17 pm

Br. Jc and other Brothers;

If you do not watch and not keep your Mullaji in check then your Bohrism will end up looking like Agakhanism.

Here are some choice selection from one Forum:

• It is said that the Imam is Epiphany of the Nur of Allah.

• In my opinion, the Divine hierarchy is as follows:
Allah - The Unknowable God
Ali - The Universal Intellect
Muhammad - The Universal Soul

• We can only know Allah through Ali and Muhammad. Since really, they make Allah manifest

• As for the hierarchy i presented, this is authorized by the Fatimid Imams as well as the Alamut Imams. So, no, this is NO rumour!
Read Henry Corbin, Allah first created the Universal Intellect aka "The Ali" aka Shri Vishnu. From the Universal Intellect, proceeded the Universal Soul aka "The Muhammad" aka Shri Brahma. All the material creation proceeded from the Universal Soul - ie: Brahma the Creator-God. This philosophy is also that of Plato. It has parallels also in the Jewish Kabbalah, and Hindu philosophy. Remember, Islam is a pluralistic faith, there is unity in a diversity of interpretations!

• Quran reveals:
(1) Lord is Allah;
(2) Lord is He whose throne was over the water;
(3) History is important

• - yes, the "THRONE" was over the water. Let me ask you, what is the "THRONE"? The Throne is the Imam. The Throne has also been equated to the Universal Intellect. Therefore, the Imam is the Epiphany of the Universal Intellect.

• "nd history reveals that Lord Vishnu's throne was over the water. Lord Vishnu is thus Allah"

- no, Lord Vishnu was over the water. Vishnu was a fish, the fish was in water. Therefore, Lord Vishnu - Universal Intellect - Imam is the THRONE of Allah.

"the last Imam of the Cycle, the Qaim or Resurrector, having completed the work of the Seventh Day and erected the THRONE THAT HE HIMSELF IS 'IN PERSON' "- Henry Corbin, Cyclical Time and Ismaili Gnosis

• Allah is the Unlimited, Ultimate, Unknowable Origin. Allah has no attributes, as He is beyond them. Therefore, the Allah cannot take any form or manifestation. However, all the attributes of Allah actually apply to the Universal Intellect. And the Imam is the epiphany of these attributes as relative to men.

• Allah says He is Zahir. I think that is Him as Imam
but He also says that He is Batin. I think this means him as Nur.
Now the question is, can this be true that ZAHIR=BATIN?

• I think the creator is Allah as Imam.

• The closest we can ever be to him in this world is to follow the Farmans of Hazir Imam and stay devoted to him until he decides it is time for us to enter the next world.
( Ismailis believe in reincarnation )

• Yes Allah/mawlana hazar imam is unlimited and all that. Mawlana hazar imam's farman is he is nearer to us than our vein. However, this is purely in a non-physical sense. You will find similar message in the quran besides the message that Lord is Allah

• Dua also reveal:
Seek at the time of difficulties, the help of your Mawla the present living Shah Karim al-Hussaini.
Shirk-shirk-shirk- Shirk-shirk-shirk- Shirk-shirk-shirk- Shirk-shirk-shirk- Shirk-shirk-shirk- Shirk-shirk-shirk-

• You have looked to the Imam of the Age for advice and help in all matters; and through your Imam's immense love and affection for his spiritual children, his Noor has indicated to you where and in which direction you must turn, so as to obtain spiritual and worldly satisfaction.

Dua/Quran clearly mention one should worship and seek help from Allah only and the farman also makes it clear that ismailis look to mawlana hazar imam for advice and help in all mattes. So mawlana hazar imam is allah. Farman also reveal that the Noor is his (Mawlana Hazar Imam's).

• --- It is to be noted that mawlana hazar imam address the jamat as "My beloved spiritual children". So it is He who has made "you out of one soul".

There is very intersting stuff at this Ismaili Doctrines

Brother think and return to Islam of ProphetSAW.
.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:34 pm

bhai MF,

you are right, the taheris are certainly being led in the direction of the syedna being divine, but they have gone some steps further than even the agakhanis, now the dai is considered khuda himself, the quran-e-natiq, the kaaba, worthy of sajda, 2 rakat namaaz and so on.

in the future please do not refer to the bohras of today by any other term than taheris. they are no longer bohras or shias or even muslims. they are very proud TAHERIS..! thanks.

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Unread post by SAJJAD » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:21 pm

In my opinion,the appropriate name for all fanatic abdes should be TAHERIYAS and not Taheris.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:05 am

is it a subconscious leaning towards TAHERI-*** ?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:09 pm

for the TAHERIS, the raudat tahera is the alternative hajj.

it is now an official goal of the taheri kothar that every taheri shud have done the ziyarat of their god taher atleast once in their lifetime. any one who cannot afford it, shud approach his local amil and request help.

now every year they duly collect money from all taheris also for this. haj par na jav to chalse, raudat tahera to jaroor javu joyiye.!

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:32 am

"for the TAHERIS, the raudat tahera is the alternative hajj."

Alternative hajj!!!

It is main hajj. The other one is alternative.

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Unread post by yusuftopiwala » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:41 am

Bhai Muslim First,

In your reply you talk about Zahir & Batin. I want to know more about understanding of seven tentants in Batin. Is there any sect which does not follow tentants in Zahir and follow the Dawoodi Bohra Faith in Batin.

I know there is a sect, but I do not know who are they and where are they.

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Unread post by JC » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:44 pm

Very rightly said - for Taheris Hajj is something which is secondary - Umrah, hah ... what is this .......

For Taheris - Haj is Grave Worshipping of Taher and Umrah is Grave Worshipping at Karballa. For them Sunnah prayers have been replaced by Two Rakat for dai. For them Ziarat of dais is more important ..... these taheris are grave, dead and mortal worshippers ...... they are a cult of sheep and slaves managed by thugs and dacoits.

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Unread post by East Africawalla » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:50 am

I think they should be called 'JANNAATIS', the only people who will be going to Jannaat because of their faith and a safai ni chitthi and Mola will be there to clear any hurdles by taking them by his hand.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:57 am

EAW
So according to you Jannat will be a very lonely place as only Bohras(Taheris) will be there and again out of that group only Shaikhs, Mullas and NKD will be in tow with Moula.
WHAT A LONELY PLACE THAT IS GOING TO BE :)

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Unread post by SAJJAD » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:24 pm

The current burhanuddin regime sucks. Especially the old man’s role as a religious leader has faded away long time ago. His dead “baap” taher was the main cause of their current demise. He was the evil person who abolished the true bohrism into cult with his lust for power, money and fame. He imposed all kinds of new innovations on the gullible community. The current old man is following his “baap’s footstep with much more force and tactics with the help of his “kuttazadas”. They are hungry for money like hyenas are hungry for flesh.

As you can see very clearly that burhanuddin and his mafia kothar have nothing to do with Islam. Their aim is to suppress the community in everyway for their benefits. They have imposed all kinds of money making schemes that includes raza, ziafat, expensive gifts, wadhawani rasam, najwa, qadambosi, salam bethak, all kind of taxes, misaq, darees, wholesale nikah and take away community’s property all over the world and involved in money-laundering.

As I have posted the following topic on April 13, 2007 clearly indicates that we would be better off without the current dia or his rotten dawat.

SAJJAD Active Member # 158 Posted April 13, 2007 01:23 PM Brother Humsafar, as you said in your posting that the function of Burhanuddin should be as ”dai be a dai and not a dictator.” I don’t think the dai’s current role as dictator will progress anytime soon to a symbolic and spiritual “dai-like” figure. This is because the present regime and his family are infatuated with their thirst for more money and engage in corrupt practices along the way. This empire’s future successor will be selected using the same father-to-son transfer of power system we’ve seen take place for more than 100 years.I think the way the situation is going, there is no need for a dai or dawat. As you can see very clearly for the past 100 years, Taher Saifuddin and Burhanuddin has converted our Islamic beliefs into a cult-like organization demanding full allegiance and isolation from non-Bohri believers. In addition, they impose unnecessary and heavy taxes to members of the community and continually innovate schemes to expand their coffers even more. Innovations such as worshipping, kissing, wadhawani rasam, raza, and pampering obviously displays the level the dai has made us all succumb to. Look at pictures on various Kothar websites and one can plainly see what I am talking about. All these rituals benefits kothar and it has made their empire into a multi-billion dollar business.The irony is that you don’t learn anything Islamic in Kothar’s lackluster lectures. Every waaz or sabak is the same bullshit our ears have grown accustomed to. To sum it up, it’s all about praising Burhanuddin and chanting every five minutes, altogether, “ta qayamat tak jivo”, which is an impossible and brainless prayer. As many of you may agree in your hearts, but feel afraid to speak up due to potential repercussions, it’s time for Burhanuddin and his bandwagon to set sail.The kothar’s use of “gripping our emotions” is a clever strategy employed to keep membership levels from declining. They use Imam Hussein’s character and poorjosh matam as a way to access our emotions. This scheme is their most successful one and has allowed them to make a lot of money. Imam Hussein and His Ahle-bayt scarified themselves for saving Islam, but these idiots are making fortunes and manipulating our minds in the name of Imam Hussein.The present old man still hasn’t retired. Instead, he wanders all over the world doing the same things as mentioned before. For the last 40 days Bohris have been celebrating his birthday. This act of worship and bowing down has certainly polluted our religion. Now is the time to abolish all of this nonsense and do something about it rather than act like a herd of sheep. Speak up and protest against them! Enough is enough. How long will we allow Burhanuddin to strip us of our rights and passion for a community that is based upon “original” Islamic principles, and not a reinvention of Islam like the Kothar is engaging in? Inshaallah, I strongly believe a brighter future will lay ahead of us without a dai or dawat.

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Unread post by SAJJAD » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:41 pm

If one looks at the current mission of Mulla Burhanuddin and his kothari family, it’s plain to see that it’s all about robbing the community. Robbing not just our money, but our brains, determination, and something we will never get back – time.

I think most would agree that a true dai’s duties are the following – living a life of moderation -not eating out of a golden plate or requiring to live every moment of life in lavishness, helping the less fortunate members of our community -When has Burhanuddin ever thought of contributing to needy Bohras or any needy people in general?, serving as a role model to the community , knowledgeable in our Islamic beliefs and values - When will Burhanuddin ever give a speech without reading line by line from books written in 30 point font?, does not use position to abuse people , approachable in the sense that anyone can approach the dai without having to kiss a body part, pay salaam, or walk up with expensive gifts , and most importantly not a acting like a Yazid . Remember folks, Imam Hussein died to stop people like Yazid from “polluting” Islam. Unfortunately, the present dai has no regard for this principle. Do you think Burhanuddin is going to change for the better? For over 100 years the same trends have continued and I certainly don’t see them “reforming” themselves anytime soon. That is why I suggested in my previous posts of getting rid of present dai and dawat. If we can have a dai that embodies and carries out the respective duties listed above, then I support having a dai with dawat.

For the past ten years or so Burhanuddin has invented matam to be carried out on every day and occasion. Before, matam was done only during the month of Muharram. My point is that these bastards woke up one day and decided to implement matam as a centerpoint of our ideology. Why? Obviously, the dai does it for personal gain and amassment of great fortunes. To top it off, Imam Hussain’s bayan occurs everyday to ensure we beat our chests. As I’ve said before, the Kothar uses bayans to attack our emotions putting us in our most vulnerable state and allowing them to control us in ways we never thought possible. As a result of their forced control, families have split, best friends turning into enemies, and more hatred as filled our hearts and minds — All because one does not give full allegiance to the dai. And what’s worse, the Kothar continuously preaches about alienating and cutting off all ties with anyone who questions the actions of the Dai or Kothar. How can we be happy with this type of dai?

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:04 pm

I fully agree with Bro Sajjad.

We DO NOT need this dai or dawat - they are thugs, cheats and power abusers.

Lets pray for the end of this cult and also take some actions. If for some reasons we are part of this cult, lets try stop paying, delay in paying, try instigating questions and confusions in the minds of taheris, when there is purjosh matam, lets do it slowly - let the dissent be seen, no matter how little. lets avoid going to majlisis etc as little as possible. lets take actions, no matter how small. lets do our part - One day we will prevail.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:50 pm

Bro. JC,

I second you on this.

that is what i have always maintained to all those in my acquaintance, that even if you cannot openly defy and join the reformists and being excommunicated, then atleast take an attitude of non-cooperation. go the markaz/masjid only when its absolutely neccessary, avoid paying as long as u can, pay the minimum, do not pander to the amils and his chamchas' every whim, show some defiance when u are asked to do something and stop being so meek, do not ask for raza for every little thing and do not give them any undue importance.

even this little bit will help in bringing the tyrants to their knees.

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:25 am

@East Africawala
I think they should be called 'JANNAATIS', the only people who will be going to Jannaat because of their faith and a safai ni chitthi and Mola will be there to clear any hurdles by taking them by his hand.

Bohras number about 1.2 million in the world with a population of 6 billion. It means they are 0.02% of the world's population.

If they are the only ones to go to Jannat, then do you think Allah created 99.98% of the human beings for sending them to Jahannum?

If no, then what is the Syedna doing to bring the rest of the population to his version of the sirate mustakeem?

1 Rupee = 100 paise
1 paisa = 100 kavdi
so 1 paisa is 1% and 2 kavdi is 0.02%
Do we call the Syedna as do kavdi ke maula?