Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:05 pm

Guy
Well I did come across those people, I had to use the offices of Dr. Saifuddin Bhapai to get some help for one family and even with his influence it did not work and the Bohra family end up being discharged before full treatment was given
Second one was for eye operation and because it was a charity case, patient was told to bring all the supplies like syringes and gauze pads of their own, Hospital refused to supply them where this was not the case with Private VIP patients
Third patient who had high blood pressure was not given proper medical care and after one day of stay he was discharged and on his way out of the room, he collapsed and died there.
These are not fairy tales these can be verified thru Hospital records. Every Hospital can provide those information by deducting the identity of the patients. That is why I did ask you "CAN YOU QUANTIFY THE AMOUNT OF FREE MEDICAL CARE GIVEN BY SAIFEE HOSPITAL" in terms of days of stay-surgical procedure and the most important UN-INFLATED COST associated with charity cases

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:53 pm

Supreme Court of India's final order on 3rd Feb. 2000 in the matter of Civil Apeal No. 5682 0f 1999

2. 30 (Thirty) beds in the proposed Saifee Hospital shall be reserved for the treatment of members of the Dawoodi Bohra Community free of charge. Such beds and treatment to be provided to economically needy Dawoodi Bohras regardless of whether they have the Oath of Alligiance (Misaq) or not and regardless of whther they have been excommunicated (Baraat) or not. The criterion of ecomonic need shall be as determined by the Maharastra Government for other charitable hospitals.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:08 pm

So for as Saifee Hospital being a charitable hospital and Supreme Court of India’s order to it to provide free of cost beds and treatment to poor and needy Dawoodi Bohras regardless of Misaq and Baraat is concerned, that order is quite clear.
Now question is whether the Supreme Court’s order is followed by the hospital or not?

I personally know one recent case which throws some light on the honesty of Saifee Hospital.

One Bohra lady, Nafeesa Zainul Lokhandwala arrived in Mumbai for attending Sayedna Saheb’s vaiz in Marol on 16th Dec. 2010. She came to Mumbai with her two kids by train and got down at Bandra Railway Terminus. From there she went to Bandra local train station to take a train to reach Marol. When train arrived she hurriedly climbed on the train but realized that her two kids could not make it due to normal rush. She quickly got down from the train. But she fell down on the platform as her legs got entangled in the Rida that she was wearing. She fell down and had serious head injury.
She was rushed to Saifee Hospital at Charni Road. She was treated in that hospital for three days and thereafter her husband, Nasir Lokhandwala was given a bill by doctors of Saifee Hospital, which he found beyond his reach. So he took his wife back to Godhara and admitted her in Neo-life Hospital where she died after struggling for few days.
The doctors in Saifee Hospital had also said there was no chance of her survival.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:58 am

thats really a sorry thing........no comments...........insaaf bhai since you have their names would it be possible that u have their ejmaat numbers too............cause my relatives in godhra knows nooone by that name....

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:56 am

Late Nafeesa bahen's brother has a shop of soft drinks "Dahodwala Drinks" or "Dahod Drinks" which is quite popular.
I am trying to get her husband's phone no. so that we all can send condolence to him for the tragedy.
There were two deaths during Marol vaiz but I have not mentioned them as I have not yet got their details.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:16 am

I am sorry. The name of the shop is Burhani Cold Drinks near Tower masjid. The family originally is from Dahod and hence also known as Dahodwala.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:38 am

@guy_sam

It is only on this site that you can ask for proof and even expect to get it. Have you tried it in your majlis, waez or official websites? I am sure you are aware of the consequences of such a temerity. Try it once and see for yourself.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:52 am

Smart wrote:@guy_sam

It is only on this site that you can ask for proof and even expect to get it. Have you tried it in your majlis, waez or official websites? I am sure you are aware of the consequences of such a temerity. Try it once and see for yourself.
i dont have 2 ask proofs for anything..cause its all liek a open book for me.the rights and wrongs too....
and insaaf bhai..thanks for details ill try to verify.....number would be very helpfull so can also find out wat was it all bout

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by Smart » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:24 pm

guy_sam2005 wrote:
Smart wrote:@guy_sam

It is only on this site that you can ask for proof and even expect to get it. Have you tried it in your majlis, waez or official websites? I am sure you are aware of the consequences of such a temerity. Try it once and see for yourself.
i dont have 2 ask proofs for anything..cause its all liek a open book for me.the rights and wrongs too....
and insaaf bhai..thanks for details ill try to verify.....number would be very helpfull so can also find out wat was it all bout
Wow, so you seem to be the next dai. You seem to have 'gaib nu ilm'. Ghanu jeevo to you.

A whole community is looking for answers to a large number of questions, which apparently is an open book to you. At various times in the past few years many people here have posted questions. Can you answer even 1% of these? It will be a big favour to all of us. It will also prove to us that you are greater than the Syedna, because neither he nor his cohorts have been able to answer them.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:59 am

nooone in community has any questions other than a few so called reformers.who cant even be called in our community.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by Smart » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:42 pm

^
If they (the reformists) are not in our community, what are you doing here ? it is their website and their forum. Don't you think you are a trespasser here.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aqs » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:25 am

latest devolopment

Bohris' Rs 1,500-cr Bhendi Bazaar redevpt plan nixed

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City ... 061035.cms

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by profastian » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:24 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Aqa Moula_Zindabad wrote:do u acknowledge a fact "There is jannat in ur mothers feet" and of course she is a human.....whenever we do salaam to our mother we kiss her knees and feel proud of that
Why dont you give this sermon to your beloved moula who refuses to acknowledge his own mother and her grave and even during his umpteen visits to surat he visits only the graves of the late dais with due pomp and show (being carried in a palkhi by his slaves) but have you seen him visiting his own mother's grave which is just next to that of the late dais ???? Have you heard him shower praises in honour of his mother the way he does for his wife on any and every given occassion ????
Comparing Maula's mother to late DAI is like chalk and cheese, so is comparing Maula's mother to Maula's wife

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:08 am

Smart wrote:^^^
This is how dreams turn to nightmares for the common bohras.
are u a common bohra????????????/

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:11 am

Smart wrote:I see that you don't appreciate. You need a modicum of intelligence to do that. Otherwise you would not be kissing the feet of a human being and being proud of that! Well, to each his own.
ya right whatever u guys do is a epitome of intelligence........................preaching to those who give a damn to hatred mongers..

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by porus » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:18 am

aqs wrote:latest devolopment

Bohris' Rs 1,500-cr Bhendi Bazaar redevpt plan nixed

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City ... 061035.cms
The TOI article reports that 8 out of 34 proposals have been rejected. Does anyone know if the other 23 have been approved and if the proposals can be re-submitted. Did not the developers seek legally binding agreement from the 70% who have rejected the scheme?

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aqs » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:45 am

porus wrote:
aqs wrote:latest devolopment

Bohris' Rs 1,500-cr Bhendi Bazaar redevpt plan nixed

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City ... 061035.cms
The TOI article reports that 8 out of 34 proposals have been rejected. Does anyone know if the other 23 have been approved and if the proposals can be re-submitted. Did not the developers seek legally binding agreement from the 70% who have rejected the scheme?
this is from a Blog

We will get okay in a week: Syedna’s secy

Mumbai: The BMC has shot down Syedna Burhanuddin’s proposal to redevelop the Bhendi Bazaar locality to provide free homes to Dawoodi Bohras. However, his executive secretary, Abdeali Bhanpurawala, said the proposal had not been rejected. “The committee has asked us to get 70% of the consent which we shall be submitting within a week,’’ he said.
Cluster redevelopment under Section 33(9) of the Development Control Regulations is the latest attempt by the state to carry out a makeover of the island city that has over 16,000 old and dilapidated buildings. The minimum land that a builder needs to acquire for cluster redevelopment is 4,000 sq m—or one acre. Once approved by the high-power committee, a proposal is forwarded to the urban development department, which scrutinises it and forwards it to the CM for final approval. The proposal then returns to the BMC that grants a letter of intent.
A list of the rejected proposals was made availabe to the TOI. “The consent has to be registered with the deputy registrar of cooperative housing societies and is irrevocable,’’ said officials.

http://blog.propertynice.com/bohris%E2% ... lan-nixed/

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by ANA BOHRI » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:13 am

Last June, TOI was the first to report on the project initiated by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, the spiritual leader of the one million-strong Dawoodi Bohra community, under the aegis of the Saifee Burhani Upliftment Trust. Bhendi Bazaar, which stretches from the JJ flyover junction at Byculla to Minara Masjid on the south side, was chosen as 80% of the Bohra community live and work out of this place

As per Syedna's Scry 70% of residents or shop owner's consent is required and they will manage to get it with in one week.

observation

1) 80 % of bohra live n work in this area and they are not able to get consent from 70% it clearly shows that many bohras living in this area are not happy with this mega project.now only Allah can help them because finally they will have to accept it "by hook or by crook".

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by porus » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:25 am

ANA BOHRI wrote: observation

1) 80 % of bohra live n work in this area and they are not able to get consent from 70% it clearly shows that many bohras living in this area are not happy with this mega project.now only Allah can help them because finally they will have to accept it "by hook or by crook".
80% of Bohras may live there but what is the percentage of Bohras in that area?

If Bohras comprise only 40% of the population then complete agreement from Bohras still leaves out nearly 70% of the population. In any case, consent is needed from landlords. All may not be Bohras.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:19 am

The above quoted news says "Of the 34 proposals submitted for approval, the committee rejected nine (9). Civic officials said these proposals had been rejected as the developers could not get the consent of 70% of either the landlords or tenants.

There two majore problems in the concerned area of Bhindi Bazar:-

1) In last hundreds of years many landlords have changed hands. Their official records are quite confusing. Even their tenants are unaware who the actual owner is today. They are giving from Rs. 21 to Rs. 225 rent per month some rent-collector.

2) There are several Masjids in Bhindi Bazar:-

1. Raza Jama Masjid Phool gali
2. Handivali – Saifee Jubilee Marg
3. Dhanwali Masjid –
4. Shafaquee Masjid –Mutton St.
5. Hazrat Khuwaja Hasanul mafee Ruhi Masjid
6. Rafai Masjid – Bara Imam Rd.
7. Zainabia Masjid –Pakmodiya
8. Saifee Masjid
9. Husaini Masjid,
10. Qutbi Masjid,
11. Fatemi Masjid

12) 5 Muslim Dargahs beside Roza Tahera

13) Two Shia Imam Baras

Some of the Masjids and Dargahs are of historical importance. These are no where in the plans submitted except Roza Tahera. Even Saifee Masjid (Masjid-e-Aazam) is not shown in the plans. May be because it has a recent history Lanat and apology incidents and the people concerned wants to wipe it out.

Dawoodi Bohras may come under pressure but most Muslims are refusing to hand over their Masjids and Dargah.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aziz » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:07 pm

insaap careful your fangs are showing,very soon even the so called progs will know your true colours when you shed your skin at times like this as all snakes do,
how do you know about the plans which have been submitted oh sorry i forgot you know a lot of bhaisahebs and non existing people at badri mahal who tell you everything,
if according to you every masjid in which lanaat has been said on the three is to be demolished then no masjid will remain in the shia world even the one udaipur onder the prog control would need to be demolished ,be careful very soon the udaipuris will say lanaat on you along with bohras for suggesting this

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:43 pm

Dear aziz,
As far as my knowledge goes no Shia has submitted a written apology to Sunni Muslim for their act. I know that there were serious clashes between two sects of Muslims in Lucknow and other places, but that is a past history. Every body is careful now expect the arrogants.

Even Imam Ayatulla Khumeni of Iran had advised Shias in a written farman to stop Tabarra and Zanjir Matam.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aqs » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:31 am

S. Insaf wrote:The above quoted news says "Of the 34 proposals submitted for approval, the committee rejected nine (9). Civic officials said these proposals had been rejected as the developers could not get the consent of 70% of either the landlords or tenants.

There two majore problems in the concerned area of Bhindi Bazar:-

1) In last hundreds of years many landlords have changed hands. Their official records are quite confusing. Even their tenants are unaware who the actual owner is today. They are giving from Rs. 21 to Rs. 225 rent per month some rent-collector.

2) There are several Masjids in Bhindi Bazar:-

1. Raza Jama Masjid Phool gali
2. Handivali – Saifee Jubilee Marg
3. Dhanwali Masjid –
4. Shafaquee Masjid –Mutton St.
5. Hazrat Khuwaja Hasanul mafee Ruhi Masjid
6. Rafai Masjid – Bara Imam Rd.
7. Zainabia Masjid –Pakmodiya
8. Saifee Masjid
9. Husaini Masjid,
10. Qutbi Masjid,
11. Fatemi Masjid

12) 5 Muslim Dargahs beside Roza Tahera

13) Two Shia Imam Baras

Some of the Masjids and Dargahs are of historical importance. These are no where in the plans submitted except Roza Tahera. Even Saifee Masjid (Masjid-e-Aazam) is not shown in the plans. May be because it has a recent history Lanat and apology incidents and the people concerned wants to wipe it out.

Dawoodi Bohras may come under pressure but most Muslims are refusing to hand over their Masjids and Dargah.

Insaaf Saheb,

Plan is not to cover whole Bhendi bazaar so only 2 Masjids of Non Bohras are getting affected and due to adamant nature of Phool wali gali or Tokra gali Masjid Imam that whole lane is not included and with kashmiri Masjid negotiations are going on for some minor structural changes, except that none of the Non Bohra Masjids or Dargah's are in the precinct of development.

and For Zainabia some swap deal is being talked about where a equal or a better property will be handed over in return of the place, and i dont think Zenabia has any historical value for Ithna Asharis so they will be happy to go towards najam baud which is there strong hold

None of the Muslims are asked to handover there Masjids or Dargahs

rest all is your imagination running wild, for which i dont blame you, as you also have to live up to the standards

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aziz » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:05 am

even the so called apology you keep harping about ,read carefully moula said he did not intentionally hurt muslim feelings,there is no apology for laanat at all because lanaat na haqdaro par to lanaat parveej joye,
you are are stating the apology over and over again as if it was all due to your hard work that this was achieved,
you forget that even in the past imam hassan did suleh with muawiya la,so was he wrong?
the bottom line is you are celebrating for something which against the three who were the chief enemies of panjatan,i wonder what type of even a prog that makes you.
definately you are not a dawoodi bohra but by siding for the three even the progs should disown you

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aziz » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:27 am

in your adawat of dai burhanuddin tus you are making very strange bedfellows ie the wahabbis so much that you have become like them and calling the three hazrats,and ended up converting your fellow progs as well on the way to wahabbism.for us its okay keep increasing your azaab thousand fold everytime

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by mumin » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:52 pm

this aziz is stupid. how can you decide who to give lanat and who not to. and how can you make statements about aazab. perhaps you forgot that the Rasool mmaried abu baker's daughter as well as usman's daughter. now just think about the mesage of the rasool in this deed. is it not abundantly clear that we petty humans have no right to give lanat to any body. Let Allah decide on judgement day. it is definitely not right to give lanat to anybody.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:18 pm

Dear mumin,
Please don't fall in their trap, they are trying to divert the topic because it difficult for them to bear.
To my co-religionists on the other side of the divide please note that I do hope that the condition of people living in Bhindi Bazar should be improved by some one with honest intentions.
Maintainance charges in Towers will be quite high, which the poors of this area will be able afford or not?
I know the area of Bhindi Bazar, which falls in the present perposal of Cluster redevep, and the list of Masjids, Dargah and Imambaras given by me is from that area.

Dear Aziz please see the photos of plans and models of Redeveloped area given by the Saifee Burhani Trust and decide yourself. In last one and half year the trust could manage just 51% but promises that within a week it will submit 70% list. Let's pray for some kind of Mojiza.

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:23 pm

Rasool mmaried abu baker's daughter as well as usman's daughter
Br.momin

it should be

Rasool mmaried abu baker's daughter as well as umar's daughter

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by mumin » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:37 pm

yes bro, you are correct. The names of the daughter's I believe are abu bakaer's daughter aisha and umer's daughter hafsha

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Re: Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

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Unread post by aziz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:09 am

if you want to let allah decide on the day of judgement fine ,why do you then judge us dawoodi bohras and our moula,if we are wrong let allah decide on the day judgement as well
why the hypocracy