Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:33 pm

SBM wrote:Now Abdes do Maatam in front of some stone

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/sites/zen ... ic%209.jpg
only one step away from worshipping stones... !!

wah bhai wah,,

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Bori85 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:16 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
SBM wrote:Now Abdes do Maatam in front of some stone

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/sites/zen ... ic%209.jpg
only one step away from worshipping stones... !!

wah bhai wah,,
any idea where and what is the significance of these stones? ( I mean significance in the eyes of Abde's)

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:23 am

Look at he person on the phone. Doing Maatam has become joke with Abdes
http://zeninfosys.net/zen/akhbar/akhbar ... apan/18827

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:15 am

Here is the pict I hope
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Doing Maatam while on cell phone
Doing Maatam while on cell phone

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Unread post by badrijanab » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:31 am

Person who seems as the 'Sadar' (President) of majlis has not wore 'Saya' and is wearing denim!

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:56 pm

bhai sbm,

why you dont seem to understand? he is talking on the phone with the media correspondent in saifee mahal, apprising him first hand of the maatam by conveying the sound and fury (signifying nothing) of the purjosh maatam.

this looks like a pvt majlis at someone's house and the condition for granting raza must have been that the abde has to call in and arrange 'live relay'.

SBM wrote:Here is the pict I hope

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:19 pm

A post which appeared earlier on this forum :-

Moiz Saleh Bandukwala
4/36 Mohammadi Mansion,
7 Sutar Chawl,
Mumbai - 400002

Janab Amil Saheb, 4th April 2009
Zainee Masjid,
282, Shaikh Memon Street,
Bohra Masjid Gali, Mumbai - 400002

Respected Sir,
Abbasi Khalifa was collecting a royalty of five hundred Dirhams from the Zavvareen-e-Imam Husain for Ziyarat of Imam Husain. Mohibbane-Husain still flocked for the Ziyarat of Imam Husain. One old moomenat spun cotton during her lifetime and accumulated five hundred dirhams and immediately came for Ziyarat of Imam Husain. The Khalifa called her and enquired whether she could not have waited for some more and had some more Dirhams for hiring a camel for her journey. She had said that she had no patience to wait as she was sure of her life because of her old age. The Khalifa was very much moved by her faith and love and affection for Imam Husain and he stopped collection of royalty.

Sir, You are collecting a royalty of Rs. 1000/- per Ziyarat per day for Imam Husain's Niyaaz during Ashoora and a further royalty of Rs. 500/- per majlis and Maatam-e-Husain thereafter upto Chehlam for Majlis and Matam-e-Husain. Does your conscience permit such collection of royalty? Is it not commercialisation of Shahadat-e-Imam Husain like a television serial? Dawat-e-Hadiya is Haq ni Dawat and Shahadat-e-Imam Husain is its core. Is not something wrong somewhere?

I had come to see you for settlement of Ramazan dues during January 2009. You refused to meet me because I do not have a beard. Having a beard is a Sunnat and not a Farizat as per Islamic Shariat. However, I would have a beard if you stop collection of Royalty for Imam Husain's Niyaz, Matam and Majlis. Insha Allah God will reward you otherwise.
I hope and pray you will consider my proposition favourably.

Thanking You,

Your respectfully,
Moiz Saleh Bandukwala

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by KhalifatulRahman » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:42 pm

problem with most progressive/freedom minded bohras is, they have abondon SUNNAH.....

let me tell u one thing, if a clean shave guy talks some thing even if its truth people wont take it seriously, why?

coz he looks like he is deviate and he just wants excuse to go against syedna and his team.

I my self understand beard is sunnah and not farizat, and does not makes any difference to level of my IMAAN or it has nothing to do with my taqwa, but I still keep it why?

just coz when i speak I have weighted in my words, and people do listens to me, even if I am against crapy way of DAI and his manhoos.

so it does makes difference.......

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Unread post by KhalifatulRahman » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:19 am

remember jo dikhta hain wahi bikta hain.........in white attire these royals guys are doing all black work, but no one is objecting, coz they look islamic and no one has guts to raise a question against them.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:57 am

problem with most progressive/freedom minded bohras is, they have abondon SUNNAH.....
Khalifa AKA whoever you are
How dare you come here and use a Wide Brush to tell us that. You don't know me, you do not know my involvement in Ummah and Dawah. There are few members on this board from both side of the spectrum including Non Bohras who in their own ways are following Sunnah of Prophet
IT SEEMS THAT MUSLIM COMMUNITY HAS USED THE WORD SUNNAH VERY LIGHTLY. DO YOU FOLLOW SUNNAH OR YOU FOLLOW A TAILOR MADE SUNNAH TO SUIT YOUR CONVENIENCE. OSMAMA BIN LADIN BRAG ABOUT FOLLOWING SUNNAH, PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED IN PAKISTAN EVERY DAY
IN THE NAME OF SUNNAH, GIRLS ARE BEING DENIED EDUCATION AND PROGRESS IN THE NAME OF SUNNAH.

I think Khalif is a person who is here to just create problem has nothing to contribute to betterment of community and has time on his hand to post
unnecessary blogs. THIS PERSON MAY BE A PLANT FROM THE GOONS WHO ARE GETTING RATTLED BY THE SUCCESS OF THIS FORUM
I think every one who agrees with me should stop replying to his post and hopefully Admin will get an idea that he/she is not wanted here and be removed.

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Unread post by think » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:13 pm

k.R is very much wanted to expose the lies and deciet of the bohri zadas and mullahs and the fake clergy .

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:34 pm

now that ramzan is around the corner, its time people were reminded how maatam is going to be used to influence them mentally during the holy month, when instead of ibadat, there will be tauheen of roza and namaaz.

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Unread post by LionHunter » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:21 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:now that ramzan is around the corner, its time people were reminded how maatam is going to be used to influence them mentally during the holy month, when instead of ibadat, there will be tauheen of roza and namaaz.
incorrect, brother,

if matam is done by understanding the cause of Hussain(s) it becomes more mubarak then roza and sunnah nafil namaz.

but if it is just chest beating without any sense then it is useless.

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:57 pm

if matam is done by understanding the cause of Hussain(s) it becomes more mubarak then roza and sunnah nafil namaz.
According to whom? Allah says in the Quran - fast so you may achieve taqwa. Anyone, other than Allah and his prophet (saw), who claims anything else supercedes roza, is a liar!! And I can guarantee that neither Allah nor his prophet (saw) has said anything about matam for Hussain.

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Unread post by LionHunter » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:01 am

anajmi wrote:
if matam is done by understanding the cause of Hussain(s) it becomes more mubarak then roza and sunnah nafil namaz.
According to whom?
Imam has said " sleep of person with knowledge is better then prayers of jhahiliyah"

and understanding cause of HUSSAIN(s) if best knowledge one can have.

however I was talking about nafil roza and namaz not fard.

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:17 am

anajmi wrote: neither Allah nor his prophet (saw) has said anything about matam for Hussain.
neither has hussain! but curiously, according to mansoos, hussain did sajda and prayed for the 51st and 52nd dai before he was martyred. wah bhai wah!

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:57 pm

watch out folks. alongwith maatame-hussain is coming maatame-burhanuddin. this historic practice, a pioneering first in the annals of the shias and dawoodi bohras, will be unleashed on the day of smb's chehlum.

some catchy naara's to whip up hysterical frenzy are being worked on, but will be along the lines of: "ya hussain ya burhan", or "ya hussain na aqa mola", and so on.... you get the drift.

it is also planned that from now on every darees ni majlis, every bayan, every marsiya, will end with zikr of smb and link it seamlessly with the unbelievably historic and amazing coronation (nassbandi) of muffy, the 53rd.

abdes and amtes are well advised to strengthen their pectoral muscles (chests) to be able to bear the onslaught of flailing arms and fists whilst passionately mourning the loss of the greatest 'islamic' ghanu jeevo figure in dawoodi bohra history. su eni niraali shaan hathee.

hamara aqa ane mola syedna wa maulana aali qadr muffadal bhaisaheb saifuddin (tus) abul jaffer-us sadiq, aqeequl yemen, vajaah ar raas, sultan al bawahir, mukhtar al shohoda... khuda hamne emna thanda saya ma aabaado shaad, sehato kamila ane afeeyato jameela ma bani sake to baki ane baki rakhje. aameen!

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by bohraji » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:17 pm

LOL !
AZ Bhai, Beleive it or not. Its 3.45 A. m, and I burst out laughing reading your second paragraph. I just could not read the rest. I have left it for tommorrow.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:29 pm

bohraji wrote:LOL !
AZ Bhai, Beleive it or not. Its 3.45 A. m, and I burst out laughing reading your second paragraph. I just could not read the rest. I have left it for tommorrow.
padhna aur hasna, woh bhi kisto mein...??

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:04 am

Our jamaat is already chanting "Ya Mohammed Ya Husain" every night.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:51 pm

AgnosticTheist wrote:Our jamaat is already chanting "Ya Mohammed Ya Husain" every night.
you make it sound as if the chant is hypnotic and mind-numbing, guaranteed to dull the senses and turn one into a brainless idiot and quivering jelly??

if you wish to remain within the narrow confines of the bohra cult, you should not use words such as 'chanting'. the more appropriate and politically correct usage of words in dawaat ni zubaan should be 'MUMENEEN NI JAMAAT YE PURJOSH MAATAM KIDHU AND EMNA DAI ANE IMAM HUSSAIN NE YAAD KARINE EMNA HAIYYA AND CHASHM AANSOO THI CHALKAY GAYA' and so on...

either you are an agnostic, atheist or abde bohra. you cannot be all 3..

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:49 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote: either you are an agnostic, atheist or abde bohra. you cannot be all 3..
I am just a normal human being with open mind. And yes, I am agnostic at times, theist at times, atheist at times and bohra most of the times (but not an "abde").

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:51 pm

AgnosticTheist wrote:
Al Zulfiqar wrote: either you are an agnostic, atheist or abde bohra. you cannot be all 3..
I am just a normal human being with open mind. And yes, I am agnostic at times, theist at times, atheist at times and bohra most of the times (but not an "abde").
dear AT,

i was just kidding. dont get so serious... the bohras are one big comedy circus. paisa pheko, tamasha dekho. i am lucky that i am getting to enjoy all these laugh riots for free!

do you know how hilariously rib-tickling is the bohra and muffy back-slapping comedy act? in canada, the moose are laughing. in africa the donkeys, in UK the irish and even the dour scots are having a belly laugh, in the arab world the camels, in pakistan and afghanistan even the taleban are rolling in mirth around the campfire whilst spilling their qahwa, in usa the late night comedic talk show hosts are about to rip into the moronic, bumbling fool muffy and his unending gaffe's. in fact as a rich source of drama and mirth, muffy beats george dubbya bush hands down, he is a gold mine of jokes. oh, i genuinely wish he lives ta qayamat, much more than his father, as his attempts to lodge himself into the larger bohra consciousness is a priceless act full of lung busting humour.

long live aapro muffy. muffy zindabad!!!

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Unread post by JC » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:34 pm

But Bro AZ, why then abdes are crying 24/7?? They always CRY?? Is there any perpetual pain anywhere?? :roll:

How about doing Purjosh Matam chanting Muffadal Maula Zinda Bad ........... :cry: :cry:

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by questions » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:30 pm

Jc I know exactly what you mean always crying !

Women in muffy land will soon be doing Matam on
" ya roti ya topi"

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:20 pm

JC wrote:But Bro AZ, why then abdes are crying 24/7?? Is there any perpetual pain anywhere?? :roll:
re: the perpetual pain and where it is located, this being a family oriented public forum, where 'decorum and decency' has to be maintained, i can only hint towards it. is it a 'pain in the neck'? well, i have a much 'lower' opinion. it fits. i mean its but natural considering the way this community is being shafted 24/7....

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Unread post by JC » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:18 pm

Thanks Bro AZ .......... Dard Galay Tak Aa Ponhcha Hay ............ Do Kotharis call it 'Dard'?? No Pain, No Gain (or shall I say 'pleasure)... :wink:

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:34 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

some catchy naara's to whip up hysterical frenzy are being worked on, but will be along the lines of: "ya hussain ya burhan", or "ya hussain na aqa mola", and so on.... you get the drift.

i have recd a watsap mesg that kothar and muffy in particular are looking for more catchy naara's.

any suggestions anyone? the best naara gets the sharaf of talaqqi with muffy on presenting a salaam of 2.52 crore rupees, followed by a bayan from muffy for the winner alone and in private.

su eni azeem shaan chhe!

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Re: Maatam for mind control and subjugation..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:09 pm

in the light of the events of the past few months, I am sure enterprising abdes/amtes have conjured up some more catchy naara's in the praise of their allah on earth mufatlal, naara's which they can do rhyhtmic maatam on.

let us see your creativity and imagination run riot here.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:09 pm

HAWE GUTHAN PAR BESI NE MATAM KARO !!

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