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Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#61

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:26 am

i hear fom some websites its allowed in tayyibi others claim qadhi numan forbid it

so what is the tayyibi stance on mutah?

doesnt quran surah nisaa verse 24 reveal about mutah as all sunnis agree on?


www.answering-ansar.org/.../mutah/en/index.php

i am reluctant to stay on ismailiyah because mutah isobviouisly halal but if imams forbid it it would mean our imams weere false imams

i would aprreciate help or answer from anyone

for some reason dawoodis always avoid my questions

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by incredible » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:52 am

not many bohra even know about mutah,but according to islamic sharia specially shia faith it looks mutah does exits and is valid for a muslim man.

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Al-Uqul » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:00 am

incredible wrote:not many bohra even know about mutah,but according to islamic sharia specially shia faith it looks mutah does exits and is valid for a muslim man.
on what bases do these ismailis forbid it?

indeed this is irrefutible that its halal and many sahaba did it

even sunna agree it was once halal

that means qadhi numan was a Innovater and so were the Fatimi imams if they forbid it or claimed it never was halal

i also dont see why the imam of fatimites couldnt make ismaili law instead of getting this noman to borrow from twelver hadiths and mxing it with maliki fiqh

this ''small''issue would prove ismailism to be Batil ,i am Sad to say

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:24 am

mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by incredible » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:16 am

anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.

many sahaba did mutah was they all sinner?

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:34 am

Please be specific. Which sahaba did mutah and when. Please post references.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by incredible » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:47 am

anajmi wrote:Please be specific. Which sahaba did mutah and when. Please post references.

read this here is your reply

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/ ... chap10.php

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#68

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:15 am

anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.
so muhammad allowed prostitution?


Quran Surah nisaa is the Evidence for Mutah its in quran and a hadith can never out rule a quranic order

your tafsir scholars agree surah nisaa ayaat 24 is for mutah


ibn zubayr was product of mutah with asma bint umays his mom

he hated mutah

so ibn abbas told him go to your mother and Ask how u were conceived

he went and she told him he was product of mutah

ibn Al-mutah
even after umar forbid it c0z his daughter did it and eh got angry

abdulah ibn umar upheld it and condemned that his father is not nabi muhamamd to make halal haram


many sahaba did it read the article incredible posted

the claim ali forbid it was on part of the Zaydi narrater in a A3mm (sunni-common)environment

Out of Taqiyah the narrater narrated this

its all in the article .......

zayd bin ali beleived in it i think qazi numan quoted a hadith from a zaydi source so he was confused to was it halal or haram

SOME contemperary dai's complained to Imam that qadhi numan should re eveluate his Fiqh a bit


rememmber numani fiqh is mostly based on Twelver hadiths from imam al-sadiq and imam Al-baqir

BUT also from soem Zaydi hadith books

this is a Fact

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by incredible » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:20 am

Al-Uqul wrote:
anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.
so muhammad allowed prostitution?


Quran Surah nisaa is the Evidence for Mutah its in quran and a hadith can never out rule a quranic order

your tafsir scholars agree surah nisaa ayaat 24 is for mutah


ibn zubayr was product of mutah with asma bint umays his mom

he hated mutah

so ibn abbas told him go to your mother and Ask how u were conceived

he went and she told him he was product of mutah

ibn Al-mutah
even after umar forbid it c0z his daughter did it and eh got angry

abdulah ibn umar upheld it and condemned that his father is not nabi muhamamd to make halal haram


many sahaba did it read the article incredible posted

the claim ali forbid it was on part of the Zaydi narrater in a A3mm environment

zayd bin ali beleived in it i think qazi numan quoted a hadith from a zaydi source so he was confused to was it halal or haram

SOME contemperary dai's complained to Imam that qadhi numan should re eveluate his Fiqh a bit


rememmber numani fiqh is mostly based on Twelver hadiths from imam al-sadiq and imam Al-baqir

BUT also from soem Zaydi hadith books

this is a Fact

I guess you are not a muslim,but any ways Muhammed(saW) never allowed any kind of prostitution,nikah is a contract marriage for no limit of time,while mutah is contract marriage for decided time.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Mubarak » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:34 am

Questions to Al-Uqul:

1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?

2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?

3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?

Thanks,
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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Humsafar » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:37 am

Mutah is the only thing that attracts Al-Uqul to shia islam. And I can undertand why. :)

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Al-Uqul » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:12 pm

Humsafar wrote:Mutah is the only thing that attracts Al-Uqul to shia islam. And I can undertand why. :)
i woudleve stayed on 12er if i wanted 2 do mutah

but im interested in Haqq something u cant understand as atheist


mutah is a virtue nd reward

http://www.mutah.com/2bewithdatruthful.htm


and if ismaili islam forbids it it is false

because christianity has truth in it too but since theres even a 1 % of falsehood

it is not a true religion

just example

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Mubarak » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:15 pm

Mubarak wrote:Questions to Al-Uqul:

1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?

2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?

3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?

Thanks,
Al Uqul,

Curiously waiting for your replies on above

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#74

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:19 pm

Questions to Al-Uqul:

1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?


A: married man can in need and permission of his wife

2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?

A:no she should not this leads to confusion of lineage,and womans mental-emotional structure is diffrent form a man

hatum is a myth created by some atheist on this site,this is haram and quran forbids women have more then one husband at same time

3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?

well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich


i would rush to give my daughter and or sister or mother in mutah if it was a certain man and that is hazret Abu Lu3 lu3


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu-Lu'lu'ah

:wink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirouz_Nahavandi

but u must wait iddah period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddah

a woman following the laws of mutah could have total only 6 clients in a year if she was a prostitute under mutah

if she doesnt wait the iddah period shes doing zinah

she would go bankrupt.lo00ol!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:
the claim mutah =prostitution is thus shattered and destroyed

Haqq always shatters Batil
Thanks,[/quote]

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:55 pm

Abdulrazaq - Ibn Juraij - Atta said: ‘…Then Atta said: ‘I heard Ibn Abbas saying: ‘May Allah's mercy be upon Umar, Mut’ah was permitted by Allah as a mercy for Muhammad's nation, had he not prohibited it, no one would be in need of fornication except the pervert one’.
This is from answering ansar. This is the kind of crap that shias believe in. This is like saying that if Allah had legalized gambling and drinking, no one would be following shaitan. Beautiful!!!

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:56 pm

so muhammad allowed prostitution?
No he did not. Mutah was not allowed. Shia hadiths allowing mutah are fabrications created to legalize prostitution.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:14 pm

In shia land there instead of red light areas we will have mutah light areas. You call the madam and the girl arrives at your door with a one night marriage certificate. All you gotta do is sign and pay. Arabs in Dubai should convert to shiaism.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:18 pm

incredible,

I went through about a quarter of the link you posted and wasn't able to find the name of a single sahaba who actually claims to have committed mutah. The entire discussion till that point is about who banned mutah. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to go through the entire link. So please copy and paste the names of the sahaba who did mutah.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:09 pm

Found this hadith, which I dismiss as a fabrication.

“Yaqoob bin Sufyan - Amr bin Asim – Hamaam – Qatadah - Abi Nadhra said: ‘I said to Jabir bin Abdullah that Ibn Abbas permits Mut’ah while Ibn al-Zubair prohibits it. He (Jabir) replied: ‘It is through me that this hadith has been circulated, I performed Mut’ah along with Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and a verse was revealed regarding it but then when Umar bin al-Khatab become the caliph, he addressed the people and said: ‘The Quran is the same Quran, the apostle is the same apostle, and there existed two types of Mut’ah at the time of Allah's apostle, I forbid both and will punish whoever performs them, one is the Mut’ah of Hajj, surely you have to separate your Hajj from your Umra, and the other is Mut’ah al-Nisa, if I catch any person who is married for an appointed duration (Mut'a), I will certainly stone him (to death).”

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:26 pm

i would rush to give my daughter and or sister or mother in mutah if it was a certain man and that is hazret Abu Lu3 lu3
Can hazret Abu Lu3 lu3 get a two day pass for the weekend?
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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:31 pm

well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
So every time a woman participates in mutah, she has to go through iddat before she can do mutah again? That would mean that a woman can do around 3 mutahs every year, right?

Do shias actually believe in this filth? Aren't you guys ashamed of yourselves?

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:51 pm

Some calculation issues in my previous post. Considering the iddat periods mentioned, a shia woman will be able to mutahnicate either 4 or 8 times a year. Which would also mean that she is sitting in iddat for over 9 months ever year. There would come a time when all shia women will be in iddat for a few months? Where do the men go to mutahnicate then? And to complicate things, what would happen if these women got pregnant?

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by zak » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:59 pm


ISNT THIS THREAD ABOUT MUTAH [ SEX FOR MONEY ...WEDDINGS ]
DONT GET DISTRACTED . DIS CUSS THAT HERE

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#84

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:00 am

anajmi wrote:
so muhammad allowed prostitution?
No he did not. Mutah was not allowed. Shia hadiths allowing mutah are fabrications created to legalize prostitution.

i have real;ized you are a dumbass :lol:

not interested in truth
but here to ridicue allahs deen

i dobt ur even a Salafi sicne they acknowledge it was allowed

the hadiths they sue Are always and only from SUNNI sources of the sahih sitta

its a site to convert sunnis to shaism of course they dont use shia hadiths!


read the article!

even the sunni meccan ulama beleived in it after umar forbid it!

according to sunni ulama themselves

read the article

or leave this forum

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#85

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:05 am

anajmi wrote:Some calculation issues in my previous post. Considering the iddat periods mentioned, a shia woman will be able to mutahnicate either 4 or 8 times a year. Which would also mean that she is sitting in iddat for over 9 months ever year. There would come a time when all shia women will be in iddat for a few months? Where do the men go to mutahnicate then? And to complicate things, what would happen if these women got pregnant?

Well we do it with Ahli al kitab(jew,christian,zoroastrian)


since most shia women have a dislike for mutah.......

in fact i know some iraqi brothers that been around in iran,lebanon and australia and syria

oen particular brother,well he was a Attractive peice

so some girl in Hijab begged him to sleep with ehr and kiss me kiss me do u .love me?

(ive experienced this sexual advance too from hijabi's sisters 2.lo00ol)

and he said lets make mutah'''

she got angry and saw it as an insult!!!!!!!


many story with guys these girls do zina but are insuklted at mutah

and the shia girls especially iraqi sisters complain and gossip to em bout how the iraqi guys are all getting with blond women

Well duh !!!! :shock:


atleast the kitabiya's will have mutah with us.lo00ol!


this is what culture has done to us


we accuse allah of allowing prostituion

in fact its Recommended and actuelly discouraged to do it with muslim women who are virgins



We need the permission of Wali(guardian)of the woman each time we do it

if they forbid it we cant do it

this inclusive ahli kitab and muslimas

some mullahs/mujtahids today all differ on these fiqhi requirements ,some more liberal then others on the conditions

but if you look at Hadiths of masoumeen it proves what i say



i myself Contracted mutah with my kitabiya Gf long ago

so i have no need to do it anymore as humsafar claims

been there done that


and we must pay Dowry and get permisison of Wali of the gurl

the dowry can be a handfull of Dates per hadith of imam jafar assadiq(SWS)


the point is muslim youth are having sex and morals out the window

sunnis must accept this solution today
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Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:07 am

if they get pregnant the child is Halal

and its obliged the man take care of this child and he has same staus as nikah child


unlike hanafi sunni islam wich allows u to marry ur illegitimate daughter.lo00ol

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:19 am

anajmi wrote:
well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
So every time a woman participates in mutah, she has to go through iddat before she can do mutah again? That would mean that a woman can do around 3 mutahs every year, right?

Do shias actually believe in this filth? Aren't you guys ashamed of yourselves?

Yes she must follow the I3ddah period at all times and have permision of wali

well sunnsi ebelive in misyar marriage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Misyar

a deception

atleast were honest and say ''look this is temporary it can turn into permanent marriage but u know it''

so the woman is emotionally prepared for the separation

unlike the misyar marriages

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cf ... 9091249638

wich trick woman into permanant relationship and commitment and then u dump her!


we feel just as much shame as the sahaba who did it when muhamamd Ordered them to do it

notice the hadiths of sunna say muhamad ordered us(Amrana)not let us do mutah



http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/

chapter 6 talks about mutah

REMEMBER THSe USES ONLY SUNNI SOURCES

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

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Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:31 am

anajmi wrote:
Abdulrazaq - Ibn Juraij - Atta said: ‘…Then Atta said: ‘I heard Ibn Abbas saying: ‘May Allah's mercy be upon Umar, Mut’ah was permitted by Allah as a mercy for Muhammad's nation, had he not prohibited it, no one would be in need of fornication except the pervert one’.
This is from answering ansar. This is the kind of crap that shias believe in. This is like saying that if Allah had legalized gambling and drinking, no one would be following shaitan. Beautiful!!!

no because we would have no Sexual Frustration like we have today

Brother u urself masturbate on a Regurlar bases.............

so do all the guys on this forum

but 12er Jafari shia we just go a freind or woman who want relation with us and we tell ehr about mutah

in fact soem people became muslim coz mutah was chance to share deen with them

lets eb honest today even some(not all)hijabi woman are doing zina

ive seen it myself

and ive been invited to do such sexual filth with hijabiyas by them

this is due to they cannot get married young as old days when economics and the west didnt enforce their lifestyle on us


but mutah is solution to social ills

opakistan my freind is the number oen palce were the word ''porn''and sex''are searched

a muslim country shockingly with one of the highest sexual crimes Rates the world over


this is comapred with iran where this is low and we can go to qom when we need a woman to do mutah with

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php ... rostitute/

though the mujtahids allow ,the iamams (as.0Forbid it

it we may not do it with a woman known for zina among the people

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php ... rostitute/


but nevertheless mutah woman are readily available for us

allw e need is the permisison of their Wali and if they do it with su and they dont follow i3ddah ruels the sin is on them not us

because once a man did Mutah with married woman

and he didnt find out she was married until afterwards

he came to ali al-ridha the twelver imam

and ali al-ridha Said :why did u Even Ask?

because were not allowed to be suspiciouis of woman and we must accept them as truthfull

when they say there single


http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/pr ... n_holy_men

She Found Prostitution Among Iran's Holy Men

though wrong and theyre completely violating the Laws of nikah al-mutah

it still shows that mutah is available and men are satisfied

in fact its a sociological fact that if theyre werent any prostitues or women giving their sex services up

Rape would be unleashed

so they have a use in society just as the Garbage man (imagine if there werre no garbage men!)

thoguh we underestimate their use and degrade them

Al-Uqul

Re: Mutah

#89

Unread post by Al-Uqul » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:09 am

i dont agree with this site on most stuff

ista western phenemonon and muslims are hwowver slowly getting the same ills

http://www.nomarriage.com/


many men dont want to marry today especially when wives cheat,and 90 % of relationships in the west are based on lies and Masks

wives usualy cheat because the man usually is a asshole and refuses to Follow the sunnah of Nabina Muhamamd(sws)of tenderness and emotional support to their wives.....

but this has made many Men not wanna marry even in muslim world i hear it from arabs i know all the time


even some freinds once said marriage would ruin his life and its a deal between family and nothing else in his opinion

This guy was ultra-Religiouis Yani its even hiiting them

with world changing like this we must fit these new ways into The Shari3at of allah

and mutah will control this sexual craziness in a Healthy flow and orginization


many western philosphers scholars such as the greatest british philospher '' Russel''' have argued mutah is a solution for society in the west

Inshaallah in my luch break ill post these excerps and studies inshAllah :)

:P

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Re: Mutah

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:36 am

Al Aqul
Brother u urself masturbate on a Regurlar bases.............
so do all the guys on this forum
AA
You are ASSuming lot of things and making an ASS of yourself. Please do not speak or assume for other people of this forum
speak for yourself.