Just a few simple questions to abde syedna fanatics...

[Al Zulfiqar]

just some ordinary questions for abde syedna khaal donors..

1. why was the syedna black-listed and not able to visit saudi since last 20 years? and even after being graciously allowed in for an umrah, why was he instructed to strictly not allow any bohras to join him?
2. why was the amil of jeddah, shabbirbhai saheb vajihuddin arrested and deported some 20 years ago?
3. why does the syedna who claims to be representative of hidden imam, and then through him directly of Allah, disobeying Allah's farmaans as clearly laid out in the Quran, by wantonly doing shikar of wild animals for sport and pleasure?
4. why does he utter lanats against his 'dushmans', anyone who dares to oppose his and his vast family's extravagant lifestyle?
5. why does he refuse to give any accounts of thousands of crores that is collected in his name and where it is spent and on whom, when that was the strict islamic practice of the prophet and panjatan pak?
6. why does he refuse to talk with those who have grievances against his administration and instead throws them out, dividing families and causing pain, suffering and emotional torture, something which is against the very core beliefs of islam and our deen?
7. why does he call himself ilah-al-ard (god on earth) when none of the prophets, incl, Nabi Mohammed himself never claimed so ?
8. why does he allow and encourage sajda to himself? isnt this against the practice of islam and encouraging idol worship?
9. why does he spend hundreds of crores on building zareehs and expensive gilaafs, when there are thousands of poor, jobless bohras, some of whom stay in huts in mumbai and elsewhere?
10. why does he take money by force and without mercy from widows, orphans and poor bohras on pain of baraat, when islam has expressly forbidden taking zakaat from widows, orphans and the helpless?
11. what is the difference between idol worshipping hindus making bhagwan's moortis of gold and gold plating their utensils and offerings to them, and syedna making zareehs around the graves of saints, when those saints themselves lived lives of simplicity and austerity and condemned those who spent on pomp and show while neglecting the poor?
12. when was the last time the syedna ever visited a poor bohra family and had a simple meal with them?
13. why does the syedna hide all mention of his mother, never observes her urus and never visits her grave, while there is a ziyarat of his wife in london? what is he ashamed of?
14. if syedna is the dai of Allah and infallible (maasoom) as he claims, why did he apologise publicly on TV and in writing for saying laanats against the first 3 khalifas some 23 years back in mumbai, when there were riots and 6 bohras lost their lives and crores of their property was destroyed? why did he escape under police protection in their jeep while innocent bohras suffered for his mistakes?
15. if the syedna is natiq-e-quran (speaking quran), why does he always read from papers and cannot recite from memory, even when he was much younger?
16. if the syedna is haqiqi kaaba, and raudat tahera pilgrimage is likened to haj, why bohras are bothered to go for hajj? in fact, why did syedna himself go for umrah when he could have just seen his face in the mirror?
17. if the syedna is ghaib na malik (someone who sees the unknown) why does he still ask the most basic questions to anyone who visits him to do salaams?
18. why does the syedna insist on a rumaal being placed in your hand (talaqqi) before you can touch him, but not when you are doing salaam to him with money?
19. why has the syedna, whose real role as dai is to invite non-muslims and non-bohras towards daawat, (religion) never ever actively undertaken to convert anyone into our faith like the imams and syednas before him, instead throwing out bohras who dont pay or obey the amils?
20. where are the funds collected for the saifee jubilee technical institute which was announced with great fanfare and for which president of india and sheikhs and sultans from muslim countries were invited for its foundation stone laying ceremony?
21. where are the funds and gold collected for making zareeh of ma fatema few years ago?
22. why did saifee mahal circulate lies claiming that syedna laid foundation stone of our new faiz in mecca in the same old place when this is completely untrue? this was then sent to all bohras in the west and elsewhere and proclaimed in majlises by amils under orders from kothar.
23. why are bohras told to pretend and be like other muslims when other muslim dignitaries are present? not to shout maula, maula, not to rush to touch his feet and do sajda to him? why are our ladies told to hide only at that time, when otherwise they freely mingle and do salaams and boso to syedna?
24. where does the salaam money taken from bohras in the name of imamuzzaman go?
25. why have the syedna and his father expropriated all bohra community properties worldwide and taking all its income without giving any accounts?
26. why has the indian govt not jailed or punished the past syedna and the present one, inspite of overwhelming evidence from 2 independent supreme court judicial commissions appointed by the govt. that they have committed fraud, extortion and embezzlement of community wealth and caused extreme suffering, harassment and persecution of those who oppose him within the community?
27. why, inspite of syedna taher saifuddin having said under oath in court that imam does not exist and is purely an imaginary figure, does the syedna make us celebrate imam uz zaman's birthday and collects money in his name?
28. from where do the funds for the lavish upkeep of the syedna's vast family amounting to almost 1000 members come from?
29. why does the syedna and his vast family employ a whole secret army of highly paid non-bohra and non-muslim experts on finance, media handling and public relations, banking, advertising and marketing?
30. why does the syedna keep relations with known goondas like bal thackeray, narendra modi, and in the past with dawood ibrahim, karim lala and yusuf pathan etc. felicitating them, honouring them and giving them huge sums of money?

there will be more questions to follow when expedient. meanwhile all the extreme abde fanatics can start by replying to these few simple questions. i invite gay sammy dude, al dhillah, haggun nus-nus, gulf, frog, pig, bird and other denizens to give serious and scholarly answers, if they have any of course. if not, we can expect their usual gaali galoch and final confirmation and vindication that they are all fools.

[Human]

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WOW! I don't know enough to answer them but it was fun reading the questions anyway. We'll see if any orthies are able to reply sensibly on this thread.

On fire, AZ!!!

[ghulam muhammed]

why does the syedna keep relations with known goondas like bal thackeray, narendra modi, and in the past with dawood ibrahim, karim lala and yusuf pathan etc. felicitating them, honouring them and giving them huge sums of money?

Read as 'Yusuf Patel' or else the abdes will fill the entire space on this forum trying to prove that he never had any contacts with yusuf pathan, the cricketer because this is the only part which they will try to defend as otherwise they have no other alternative rather then run away like how their master ran away in a police jeep, leaving his slaves behind to face the wrath of sunni muslims during his mohurrum vayez.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Bro. gm,

thanks for the correction. abdes, please read yusuf patel for yusuf pathan. in any case it should not make any difference to abde khaal donors as their syedna was his buddy.

[SBM]

And how about Shaukat Sarkar who was given title of Shaikh and half of Kothari got free apartments in Sarkar Tower in Mazgaoon area of Mumbai besides stolen luxury cars (For those with amnesia, Shaukat Sarkar was gunned down for his involvement with underworld)

[guy_sam2005]

just some ordinary questions for abde syedna khaal donors..

1. why was the syedna black-listed and not able to visit saudi since last 20 years? and even after being graciously allowed in for an umrah, why was he instructed to strictly not allow any bohras to join him?

black listed is just your figment of imagination,many bohras were there with moula(tus)during his umrah,it was not not allowed it was limited.

2. why was the amil of jeddah, shabbirbhai saheb vajihuddin arrested and deported some 20 years ago?

NO idea..aamils do many things within the rules or sometimes not which mankes them face the law.

3. why does the syedna who claims to be representative of hidden imam, and then through him directly of Allah, disobeying Allah's farmaans as clearly laid out in the Quran, by wantonly doing shikar of wild animals for sport and pleasure?

we dont think he is disobeying anythin...if u know even hamza(as) was nicnamed lion hunter.

4. why does he utter lanats against his 'dushmans', anyone who dares to oppose his and his vast family's extravagant lifestyle?

i have never heard him say lanaat on anyoone..not even asgar.

5. why does he refuse to give any accounts of thousands of crores that is collected in his name and where it is spent and on whom, when that was the strict islamic practice of the prophet and panjatan pak?

account to whom is the question...we dont want any accounts.if we did we wouldnt give in the first place.

6. why does he refuse to talk with those who have grievances against his administration and instead throws them out, dividing families and causing pain, suffering and emotional torture, something which is against the very core beliefs of islam and our deen?

he has never refused.i have told in earlier posts.moula(tus) is easily accesible if u tried.and most of the greivences are solved with time.

7. why does he call himself ilah-al-ard (god on earth) when none of the prophets, incl, Nabi Mohammed himself never claimed so ?

i dont have any reply for that.but nonetheless i have never heard he calling himself that.

8. why does he allow and encourage sajda to himself? isnt this against the practice of islam and encouraging idol worship?

no it is not..sajda towards moula(tus)is entirely different from sajda towards allah.n there is no force for sajda here.even moula does sajda whenever he visits rozaz of other dai's

9. why does he spend hundreds of crores on building zareehs and expensive gilaafs, when there are thousands of poor, jobless bohras, some of whom stay in huts in mumbai and elsewhere?

there are many welfare schemes for those...and every year crores of money are spent on upliftment..

10. why does he take money by force and without mercy from widows, orphans and poor bohras on pain of baraat, when islam has expressly forbidden taking zakaat from widows, orphans and the helpless?

merclcilessly i dont agree..some aamils are high handed..but not all

11. what is the difference between idol worshipping hindus making bhagwan's moortis of gold and gold plating their utensils and offerings to them, and syedna making zareehs around the graves of saints, when those saints themselves lived lives of simplicity and austerity and condemned those who spent on pomp and show while neglecting the poor?

even spending on zarihs bother u..dude he cannot spend where you want...after all how much have u paid to ask all this.

12. when was the last time the syedna ever visited a poor bohra family and had a simple meal with them?

syedna himself doesnt have a huge meal

14. if syedna is the dai of Allah and infallible (maasoom) as he claims, why did he apologise publicly on TV and in writing for saying laanats against the first 3 khalifas some 23 years back in mumbai, when there were riots and 6 bohras lost their lives and crores of their property was destroyed? why did he escape under police protection in their jeep while innocent bohras suffered for his mistakes?

i replied to that earlier

16. if the syedna is haqiqi kaaba, and raudat tahera pilgrimage is likened to haj, why bohras are bothered to go for hajj? in fact, why did syedna himself go for umrah when he could have just seen his face in the mirror?

dumb question

17. if the syedna is ghaib na malik (someone who sees the unknown) why does he still ask the most basic questions to anyone who visits him to do salaams?

not important

18. why does the syedna insist on a rumaal being placed in your hand (talaqqi) before you can touch him, but not when you are doing salaam to him with money?

one reason is better grip...and ofcourse control sweating

19. why has the syedna, whose real role as dai is to invite non-muslims and non-bohras towards daawat, (religion) never ever actively undertaken to convert anyone into our faith like the imams and syednas before him, instead throwing out bohras who dont pay or obey the amils?

iots either pure faith or no faith..there is no loose faith.

20. where are the funds collected for the saifee jubilee technical institute which was announced with great fanfare and for which president of india and sheikhs and sultans from muslim countries were invited for its foundation stone laying ceremony?

youll know when the time comes

21. where are the funds and gold collected for making zareeh of ma fatema few years ago?

its still being collected..and next time ill go for qadambosi will surely do arz of some gold inshalla..why do u bother when we are not.

22. why did saifee mahal circulate lies claiming that syedna laid foundation stone of our new faiz in mecca in the same old place when this is completely untrue? this was then sent to all bohras in the west and elsewhere and proclaimed in majlises by amils under orders from kothar.

i told you before we all know its not gonna happen in near future.

23. why are bohras told to pretend and be like other muslims when other muslim dignitaries are present? not to shout maula, maula, not to rush to touch his feet and do sajda to him? why are our ladies told to hide only at that time, when otherwise they freely mingle and do salaams and boso to syedna?

in order not to ofend them.

24. where does the salaam money taken from bohras in the name of imamuzzaman go?

not our job

25. why have the syedna and his father expropriated all bohra community properties worldwide and taking all its income without giving any accounts?

again..accounts to whom?

26. why has the indian govt not jailed or punished the past syedna and the present one, inspite of overwhelming evidence from 2 independent supreme court judicial commissions appointed by the govt. that they have committed fraud, extortion and embezzlement of community wealth and caused extreme suffering, harassment and persecution of those who oppose him within the community?

ask that to indian government

27. why, inspite of syedna taher saifuddin having said under oath in court that imam does not exist and is purely an imaginary figure, does the syedna make us celebrate imam uz zaman's birthday and collects money in his name?

have u seen prophet..or personally know anyone who has seen him?

28. from where do the funds for the lavish upkeep of the syedna's vast family amounting to almost 1000 members come from?

they have various businesses..and also get salaries..

29. why does the syedna and his vast family employ a whole secret army of highly paid non-bohra and non-muslim experts on finance, media handling and public relations, banking, advertising and marketing?

advertising and marketing are your figment of imagination.others are required.

30. why does the syedna keep relations with known goondas like bal thackeray, narendra modi, and in the past with dawood ibrahim, karim lala and yusuf pathan etc. felicitating them, honouring them and giving them huge sums of money?

for obvious reasons which you wont understand

[Smart]

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In the old days, we had parrots, who repeated what others said. Now we have the copy paste artists. Both have one thing in common. Nothing of their own to contribute. Absolutely zilch.

[guy_sam2005]

oh smart wish u were smart enough................i have told many times am too lazy in typing

[Smart]

Well, your reply proves that your brains are even more lazier. The only thing that you have have against me is to tell me how I am not smart. Granted. I bench mark myself against likes of Socrates etc. and agree that I fall short.

The more important part is I am smarter than the your lord and master and way more smarter than you. The difference is like between a human and an amoeba. So will you stop repeating the same crap and start thinking and using your brain, gifted by Allah and hijacked by the Syedna and his chamchas?

I am sure this one single thing will release you from a life time of slavery.

[Sajid Zafar]

Bhai Al-Zulfiqar:

Your hue & cry will fell on dump ears as usual. Abdes are cowards like their master. They can only utter ‘laanats’ and abuses, which are the weapon of choice in their armory.

[Al Zulfiqar]

gay sammy dude,

your earlier attempt to ridicule this forum by simply copy pasting my lengthy post was rejected by this forum and hence you came back with non-replies which make no sense.

you talk like a crooked politician from both sides of your mouth. and like a typical corrupt, shameless and incorrigible politician, when you have no solid argument or points with which to refute the facts, you resort to the age-old and time-tested ploys, viz. when in trouble throw doubt on everything, divert the topic, make fun and/or refuse to answer pretending ignorance or try to lessen or dismiss the seriousness of the accusations.

what you have proved beyond doubt is that you are person without any character, integrity, honesty or intellect. you are an ignorant, cold-hearted and uncivilised brute with no compassion or intention of reform, a low class gutter individual with pathetic education, uncouth upbringing and even worse manners. all you do is come here to mock, ridicule and further the interests of your fellow tyrants and crooks who are misusing religion to make haraam money and enjoy a life of ayyashi.

your hope that we should leave crooks like you alone, is not going to happen. all your attempts to defend your immoral and unethical masters have failed. either you quit this forum or keep wasting your very valuable time making an utter fool of yrself, which 100% of here have realised long ago.

[S. Insaf]

Hamza was known as "Lion of Arabia" because of his exemplary bravery
Hazrat Ali was known as "Shere-Khuda for the same reasons
Not Lion hunters

[questions]

To S. Insaf :I was wondering about Hazrat Hamza and guy sam's 'lion' reference. Everyone knows there are no lions in the desert !

Guy sam : For a while, you seemed to be seeing the light, but it looks you are digging your heels in. Personally I think you know the truth in your heart but are being vocal in spite of it.

and to Zulfiqar : Good questions, all. At least they are out there for folks to think about.

[Al Zulfiqar]

To S. Insaf :I was wondering about Hazrat Hamza and guy sam's 'lion' reference. Everyone knows there are no lions in the desert !

Guy sam : For a while, you seemed to be seeing the light, but it looks you are digging your heels in. Personally I think you know the truth in your heart but are being vocal in spite of it.

and to Zulfiqar : Good questions, all. At least they are out there for folks to think about.

questions, if you have been around as long as i and many others on this forum, it wouldnt take you so long to judge the abdes for what they really are - wilfully blind fools and morons.

[ghulam muhammed]

Uncle Sam ki Gai,

Please be a man and give some intellegent answers and not some hollow ones like :

No Idea.

Never heard him saying laanat.

Account to whom .. we dont want any accounts.

moula is easily accesible.

I dont have any reply, never heard he calling himself that.

crores of money are spent on upliftment ???????

how much have u paid to ask all this.

syedna doesnt have a huge meal.

dumb question.

not important.

one reason is better grip... and of course control sweating.

youll know when the time comes !!!!!!

not our job.

accounts to whom ????

ask the indian government.

they have various businesses.. and also get salaries.

for obvious reasons which you wont understand.

All the above are hollow answers which makes no sense at all. Actually you should have kept your mouth shut instead of answering in such a ridiculous manner because by doing so you are going on making a fool of yourself again and again.

[guy_sam2005]

gay sammy dude,

your earlier attempt to ridicule this forum by simply copy pasting my lengthy post was rejected by this forum and hence you came back with non-replies which make no sense.

you talk like a crooked politician from both sides of your mouth. and like a typical corrupt, shameless and incorrigible politician, when you have no solid argument or points with which to refute the facts, you resort to the age-old and time-tested ploys, viz. when in trouble throw doubt on everything, divert the topic, make fun and/or refuse to answer pretending ignorance or try to lessen or dismiss the seriousness of the accusations.

what you have proved beyond doubt is that you are person without any character, integrity, honesty or intellect. you are an ignorant, cold-hearted and uncivilised brute with no compassion or intention of reform, a low class gutter individual with pathetic education, uncouth upbringing and even worse manners. all you do is come here to mock, ridicule and further the interests of your fellow tyrants and crooks who are misusing religion to make haraam money and enjoy a life of ayyashi.

your hope that we should leave crooks like you alone, is not going to happen. all your attempts to defend your immoral and unethical masters have failed. either you quit this forum or keep wasting your very valuable time making an utter fool of yrself, which 100% of here have realised long ago.

you should have been a lawyer...u like to make a story where there is none...

[guy_sam2005]

Uncle Sam ki Gai,

Please be a man and give some intellegent answers and not some hollow ones like :

No Idea.

Never heard him saying laanat.

Account to whom .. we dont want any accounts.

moula is easily accesible.

I dont have any reply, never heard he calling himself that.

crores of money are spent on upliftment ???????

how much have u paid to ask all this.

syedna doesnt have a huge meal.

dumb question.

not important.

one reason is better grip... and of course control sweating.

youll know when the time comes !!!!!!

not our job.

accounts to whom ????

ask the indian government.

they have various businesses.. and also get salaries.

for obvious reasons which you wont understand.

All the above are hollow answers which makes no sense at all. Actually you should have kept your mouth shut instead of answering in such a ridiculous manner because by doing so you are going on making a fool of yourself again and again.

nor does the questions...actually they not even worth replying...most of the questions are fictious

[guy_sam2005]

and useless and wothless just like most of your posts..sam ki gai and all..as if that would bring a revolution in your reforms.
u call us abde's and name yourself ghulam mohammad....n still ridiculd oother for their ficious names.

[ghulam muhammed]

actually they not even worth replying...most of the questions are fictious

If the questions are not even worth replying then WHY did you reply in the first place ? The questions are not fictitous but the real truth and we know for the fact that 'truth is always bitter'. Actually your answers were senseless and not worth replying to but we purposely respond to your stupidity because we know that youll reply stupidly the next time and in that way you will go on making a fool of yourself and it will be for everyone who visits this forum to see the weak and hollow responses of the abdes to some real burning issues in the community.

Its more a case of "Angoor khatte hai".

[ghulam muhammed]

u call us abde's and name yourself ghulam mohammad....n still ridiculd oother for their ficious names

No. Not ridicule you for your fictitous name but point out the relevance of your name to that of your true self.

[Al Zulfiqar]

you should have been a lawyer......

thanks for the compliment gay sammy dude. as a lawyer i just proved that you are not only mentally incompetent but criminally insane. a bed has been reserved for you in the dangerous psychiatric patients ward at saifee hospital with the raza of syedna.

[guy_sam2005]

actually they not even worth replying...most of the questions are fictious

If the questions are not even worth replying then WHY did you reply in the first place ? The questions are not fictitous but the real truth and we know for the fact that 'truth is always bitter'. Actually your answers were senseless and not worth replying to but we purposely respond to your stupidity because we know that youll reply stupidly the next time and in that way you will go on making a fool of yourself and it will be for everyone who visits this forum to see the weak and hollow responses of the abdes to some real burning issues in the community.

Its more a case of "Angoor khatte hai".

when you see so many problems in community why bother stayin ...follow any religion in the world........why bother changing peopls who dont want to.

[guy_sam2005]

you should have been a lawyer......

thanks for the compliment gay sammy dude. as a lawyer i just proved that you are not only mentally incompetent but criminally insane. a bed has been reserved for you in the dangerous psychiatric patients ward at saifee hospital with the raza of syedna.

your language can never be termed as gaal galoch till you are on reformist side..............i am a very little abde who can frustrate you to that level..imagine when you have to face others with your highly ambitious reformist movement.........

[SBM]

when you see so many problems in community why bother stayin ...follow any religion in the world........why bother changing peopls who dont want to.

Guy Sam
with that logic then you should question the wisdom of Imam Hussain (nauzubillah) why did he sacrified his family for the people of Kufa who did not want to change
With this I also submit that Progressives are the true followers of Imam Hussain while Abdes or Ortho are the true followers of KUFI who do not want to change

[Al Zulfiqar]

when you see so many problems in community why bother stayin ...follow any religion in the world........why bother changing peopls who dont want to.

perhaps you should have been around in the time of the prophet muhammad to give him this advice. in fact you should have been adviser to all the prophets from nabi adam downwards, because they could have followed any religion in the world and not bothered changing people who didnt want to.

but its nice to know that you equate yrself and yr fellow morons with the pagan kafir tribes of arabia who didnt want change and not only resisted the path of truth but took up arms against it, slaughtering the panjatan paak.

[JC]

Fully agree with Bro Al-Zulfikar ........

When someone points out something wrong, these orthos went crazy and do not want to even listen to that or think it over ... let alone changing things ...... BUT if Kothar comes up with a scheme, they will join the bandwagon without even thinking for a minute .......

It is so simple that Ali, Hussain, Imamat .... all has been kept to 'justify' their power and rule. Minus Matam, they DO NOT have anything .......... why do you think Maula LOVES the voice (read noise) of Matam??? So that NO other voice is heard..!!!

Now they are bent upon making men grow their beards and not to cut it (or color it) and make women wear rida everywhere... WHY on earth ........????????

Why do not orthos understand this simple thing that Beard is in Islam, but Islam is not in beard ....... IF I do not follow a SUNAT, why the hell should I care what maula says?????!!!!!!!!!

[Smart]

Has anybody observed that the thread starter, haqqun_nafs has been absent from the forum for quite some time. Another observation, is that these abdes come in waves of three. One by one they drop off or become less prolific.

Is it just a random pattern or is there something more sinister, a plan maybe, by their masters, so these guys can feed off each other and support one another in their lies.

They come here with all guns blazing and once they realise the facts and lose their credibilty in their own eyes, they quietly disappear. The forum then quietens down, till a new batch is unleashed.

I would like senior members who have been on this forum for a long time, to put in their observation. I am trying to understand the strategic undercurrents of the Kothar, who has realised the importance of this forum and this website. They would like to damage it, in every way possible. They have a history of violent suppression of dissent.

[S. Insaf]

As during late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's time I had long association of higher ups in the establishment I know there are few so-called Shahzada/Shahzadis who are well educated in college and universities. Some of them were with me in Business Management classes in Bajaj Institution. Most them are Law graduates. Some were even critical of present functioning in the establishment but were afraid to speak out.
Since the participants on this forum come with assumed names why don't they come forward and put their point of view. They don't have be afraid of reformists who have a track record of functioning on non-violent way.

[guy_sam2005]

Has anybody observed that the thread starter, haqqun_nafs has been absent from the forum for quite some time. Another observation, is that these abdes come in waves of three. One by one they drop off or become less prolific.

Is it just a random pattern or is there something more sinister, a plan maybe, by their masters, so these guys can feed off each other and support one another in their lies.

They come here with all guns blazing and once they realise the facts and lose their credibilty in their own eyes, they quietly disappear. The forum then quietens down, till a new batch is unleashed.

I would like senior members who have been on this forum for a long time, to put in their observation. I am trying to understand the strategic undercurrents of the Kothar, who has realised the importance of this forum and this website. They would like to damage it, in every way possible. They have a history of violent suppression of dissent.

we leave because we have better things to do than replying for lies and convincing directionless frustrated people.

[Al Zulfiqar]

we leave because we have better things to do.....

since all your other moron friends have left, seems you are the only one with nothing better to do..??!!!

you have said atleast 20 times on this forum in the past that you are a very busy guy and cannot write long replies. esp when they involve answering some really tough kick-ass questions from reformists, so why are you not attending to your billion dollar business (helping syedna in looting bohras) and wasting time here, when none of your retard arguments are having any effect?