aqs wrote:Fatimid Imams of Cairo are example
There was complete transperancy with regard to daawat funds and the grieviances of the followers if any were promptly addressed. Moreover Imamat was a state affair which was religous as well as political hence you couldnt expect the head of state to live in a hut. I bet if there was any extended family of Imams who lived an extravagant lifestyle at the cost of daawat money.
You delibarately refused to give the example of Mola Ali (a.s.) on which your so called faith totally hinges on to and who inspite of being a Khalifa and having access to baitul maal lived the life of utmost austerity
aqs wrote:Kindly check what Fakhir Najwas were gifted as a norm to Imams in Egypt.Or you devise a better way to arrange Ziyafats when thier is a huge queue for the same, Any criterion better than Money ??
Again, kindly check what najwas were gifted as a norm to the Prophet (s.a.w.) and Mola Ali (a.s.). Or you devise a better way to arrange ziafats for them when the ummat was much larger then the miniscule bohras. Did they choose any criteria least of all money for bestowing their blessings on their followers. There are thousands of examples wherein in no uncertain terms those holy souls have outright rejected monetary benefits at all times.
aqs wrote:Please refer to Rasullalah (saw) asking to burn down a mosque which was constructed without his(saw) permission
On the contrary I request you to please go thru pages of Islamic history and find out as to under what circumstances and why the Prophet (s.a.w.) ordered that the Masjid be burnt. Also you have conveniently skipped my moot question as to whether Prophet (s.a.w.) ever ordered the Masjids to be transferred in His name and ever demanded money from the ummah as a pre condition for giving the same religous sanctity.
aqs wrote:if you are talking about some people who in your view were not legible enough for the title than you might agree that some times to save people from a greater sin they are caught before hand and given some designation in the society which can prevent them from committing further sin.
Firstly let me make it clear that my questions are not based on what I think is right or wrong but on what is right or wrong in the eyes of Allah and Prophet (s.a.w.). The ones who are given scholarly titles are mostly the ones who hardly have even the basic Islamic knowledge and at times are the ones who indulge in haram activities. Now if just by giving them some titles will cleanse them of all the evils then it speaks volumes of your mental calibre. Please for once admit that this whole thing is a farce in order to amass as much wealth as possible.
"Mola Ali (a.s.) ki thokaro mein duniya ki daulat thi, lekin aapne hamesha is daulat ko thokar maari" and your mola who claims to be the vicegerent of Mola Ali (a.s.) does exactly the opposite.
aqs wrote:
can be a local administrative problem, but please elaborate on extortion part as what was money asked for, and as per my best knowledge no such thing is prevalent in community, even people from Reformist view are given raza without any dilly dally. Insaaf saheb can quote about his brother Hyder Ali Insaaf from Bhopal.
Local adminstration under whose guidance ??? Now with regard to extortion for the dead, Iam a witness to one family who in the nineties had to shell out a whooping Rs.2.52 lacs to kothar for burying their relative in nariyalwadi kabrastan. Even today no bohra is buried for free inspite of the fact that all religous burial grounds are given by the Indian govt free of cost. Go to the years old nathabhai kabrastan or even some unattended old graves in other kabrastans which are purposely dug up to make way for new dead bodies with the sole purpose of generating more revenue. In a crude language the ones who indulge in such types of
Unislamic and
Inhuman acts for monetary benefits are called
KAFAN CHOR.
aqs wrote:again largely a local administrative issue and can be dealt locally
Accha kiya to maine kiya, bura kiya to aur logo ne kiya.
aqs wrote:have you ever heard in any majlis or waez by any amil or from any one that dont let Muslims enter our Masjid, might be some one from local community had objected but nothing as such is a official stand of Dawoodi Bohras. All abd Allah are welcome
Have you ever heard any amils or any zaadas
publicly say that the rest of the ummah are 'miyabhai' and 'aa to musalman chhe ane hame mumin chhe' but ask any bohra and they will vouch for it. Also try taking some 20 muslims to saifee masjid and that too when the abdes go to pray 'mola ni namaz' (not Allah ni namaz) and you will get the answer to ur question.
aqs wrote:please refer to Imam Hassan (as) truce with Muawiya, and if you talk about felicitation than the first concern of any leader is safety of his followers and for that sometimes you have to take decision which are hard.
Comparing Imam Hasan (a.s.) to mola is far from even comparing apples with oranges, there is no comparision at all even remotely and if you insist then compare other thousands of acts of Imam Hasan (a.s.) especially His simple, honest, brave life which was full of sacrifice and concern and betterment of the ummah which is an inspiration not only to the Muslim ummah but even the world at large. Forget comparision, your mola is not even a billion miles close to this great holy soul.
Further, it may be difficult for you to digest but there are various fictitous stories created by your mola with regard to grave allegations attributed to some noble souls only for the specific purpose to legitimise his evil acts by comparing the alleged falsehoods of these souls with regard to events in the present times thereby justifying his own falsehoods. One glaring example... If anyone raises questions with regard to the unholy and corrupt practices of his subordinates, the zaadas immediately remind you "Nabi (s.a.w.) ne pan to ola 3 khabiso ne paalva parela, evi reete mola ne pan logo ne paalva padhe chhe" (Nauzubillah).
With regard to your other statement, if you in any manner can justify the felicitation of Narendra Modi (and that too in the House of Allah) who had engineered the mass genocide of Muslims then it speaks volumes about your sick mentality. You justify felicitation of a person whose acts have been condemned enmass by people accross the globe ?????? What sick mentality, forget being a bohra or a shia or a muslim... you are not even a human being. The one who needs to be condemned in the strongest manner is felicitated by a so called spiritual leader who promises paradise to his followers. This act of his makes him even worse then a corrupt politician or even a gangster. Even Dawood Ibrahim has got some feelings for people of his community which your mola lacks. Atleast he reacted in some manner which although was violent and not correct but atleast it displayed his concern for fellow muslims whereas your molas reaction was nothing but like rubbing salt on the wounds of the muslims who suffered at the hands of Modi. On the one hand your mola gives lectures on the unity of the muslim ummah but in reality he displays his true colours of hatred for muslims at large by felicitating and bribing one of the biggest enemies of the ummah.
I draw one conclusion from your posts which is that you have intruded upon this site only for a specific purpose i.e. to defend mola no matter how wrong he is and which you too are aware of from heart to hearts but are afraid to admit for fear of burning in hellfire if u disobey mola which is due to the utter wrong beliefs engraved in your heart and soul since childhood. Bro, I too have encountered the same situation as I was brought up in an environment where the word of mola superceeded the word of Allah (Nauzubillah). This is due to the fact that this cult consists of people who can be compared to "kuva me medak" who have never seen an ocean, hence go on doing "tarr tarr" thinking that there is no life beyond their tiny pond. There is no scope for a study of comparative religion because their minds are thrusted with hatred of every other sect of Islam. They are instructed not to attend any religous discourses of other sects lest they explore the truth and in the bargain see the evils of the current adminstration. They are told that their descendants were brahmins due to which they think that every other muslim is a schedule caste, much inferior to them. They look at fellow muslims with disgust.
