A question to the (so called) intellectual Progessives

[profastian]

These questions are only directed to those progressives who believe in the Quran and the Prophet (agnostics and atheists, please don't answer)

*Do you guys believe in Jinns? If yes what are Jinns. And if no, what about the references of Jinns in the Quran. What do they refer to?
*Do you guys believe in Jannat? If yes, what is it? Just a very beautiful,everlasting,scenic place? If it is whats the point? I would be bored in a few days in such a jannat. If you dont believe in Jannat, what do the references in the Quran mean?
*Similar question about Jahannam?
*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?
*Do you believe that Yunus was swallowed by the fish and lived in its stomach?
*Whats the point of mentioning so many times the beauty of Yousuf in the Quran?
*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

[incredible]

These questions are only directed to those progressives who believe in the Quran and the Prophet (agnostics and atheists, please don't answer)

*Do you guys believe in Jinns? If yes what are Jinns. And if no, what about the references of Jinns in the Quran. What do they refer to?
*Do you guys believe in Jannat? If yes, what is it? Just a very beautiful,everlasting,scenic place? If it is whats the point? I would be bored in a few days in such a jannat. If you dont believe in Jannat, what do the references in the Quran mean?
*Similar question about Jahannam?
*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?
*Do you believe that Yunus was swallowed by the fish and lived in its stomach?
*Whats the point of mentioning so many times the beauty of Yousuf in the Quran?
*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

good questions,i dont see any progressive responded yet.

[rania]

These questions are only directed to those progressives who believe in the Quran and the Prophet (agnostics and atheists, please don't answer)

*Do you guys believe in Jinns? If yes what are Jinns. And if no, what about the references of Jinns in the Quran. What do they refer to?
*Do you guys believe in Jannat? If yes, what is it? Just a very beautiful,everlasting,scenic place? If it is whats the point? I would be bored in a few days in such a jannat. If you dont believe in Jannat, what do the references in the Quran mean?
*Similar question about Jahannam?
*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?
*Do you believe that Yunus was swallowed by the fish and lived in its stomach?
*Whats the point of mentioning so many times the beauty of Yousuf in the Quran?
*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

good questions,i dont see any progressive responded yet.

There are ' Progressive Bohras ' on this forum ?

I am yet to interact with a ' progressive bohra ' if I am being honest !

[Al Zulfiqar]

should one take the questions from a regressive, supported by bigger and more idiotic and ignorant regressives, seriously?

[Smart]

Why don't the regressives put up their version of the answers to these questions before they ask others? On the other hand when you ask questions to them their standard response is either
1. Gaali galoch and name calling. or
2. Go to the sabaks.

[profastian]

Why don't the regressives put up their version of the answers to these questions before they ask others? On the other hand when you ask questions to them their standard response is either
1. Gaali galoch and name calling. or
2. Go to the sabaks.

Well this is the answer to all my questions. Throwing back the questions at me. And when i reply you guys never answer back. The reason, ignorance.

[Smart]

^Thanks for proving me right. Your post proves that you cannot resist name calling. Calling us ignoramuses does not make you knowledgeable. We already know the level of your math knowledge. Thanks again.

[profastian]

^Thanks for proving me right. Your post proves that you cannot resist name calling. Calling us ignoramuses does not make you knowledgeable. We already know the level of your math knowledge. Thanks again.

Again no real answer. Just more crying out. The one who shouts the more is the most ignorant.

[incredible]

I am still waiting for some intellectual answers from prog side.

where are those so called reformist scholars?

[profastian]

Why don't the regressives put up their version of the answers to these questions before they ask others? On the other hand when you ask questions to them their standard response is either
1. Gaali galoch and name calling. or
2. Go to the sabaks.

Nice tactic Smart. Your "Phata huwa dhol" continues. When in doubt, just dish out this kind of post.

[incredible]

still waiting for answers

[anajmi]

Not all progressives on this board are believers in Allah and his message. I am, so I will take a shot at your questions

*Do you guys believe in Jinns? If yes what are Jinns. And if no, what about the references of Jinns in the Quran. What do they refer to?
Yes

*Do you guys believe in Jannat? If yes, what is it? Just a very beautiful,everlasting,scenic place? If it is whats the point? I would be bored in a few days in such a jannat. If you dont believe in Jannat, what do the
references in the Quran mean?

Yes. It is a beautiful everlasting scenic place. If you get bored in a few days, we will throw you in hell.

*Similar question about Jahannam?

Similar answer.

*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?

Can you please reference the ayah of the Quran?

*Do you believe that Yunus was swallowed by the fish and lived in its stomach?

Is that what the Quran says? If it does, then yes I believe it.

*Whats the point of mentioning so many times the beauty of Yousuf in the Quran?

Because he was very beautiful.

*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

To teach us lessons.

[profastian]

Can you please reference the ayah of the Quran?

"And lo! Yunus verily was of those sent ( to warn). When he fled into the ladenship, then drew lots and was of those rejected, the fish swallowed him while he was blameworthy, and had he not been one of those who glorify Allah, he would have tarried in its belly till the Day of Resurrection, then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick and We caused a tree of gourd to grow above him, and We sent him to a hundred thousand (folk) or more. And they believed, therefore We gave him comfort for a while." (27: 139-i18)

[profastian]

Can you please reference the ayah of the Quran?

So do you believe in these literally. Or do you think they have some hidden meaning or are analogies to something else?

[profastian]

*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

To teach us lessons.

What lessons do they teach exactly?

[anajmi]

profastian,

I wanted a reference to this in the Quran

*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?

A lot of ayahs in the Quran are analogies and a lot have hidden meanings. If you know the hidden meaning, please share them with us.

What lessons do they teach exactly?

Lot of lessons like humility, justice, obedience, temptations etc.

[profastian]

profastian,
A lot of ayahs in the Quran are analogies and a lot have hidden meanings. If you know the hidden meaning, please share them with us.

The hidden meanings that i would share would be the ones given by the Syedna. and as you guys believe that Syedna does not have knowledge of the hidden meanings in the Quran or the knowledge he possess are just fairytales to narrate to the
"gullible" adbes, so sharing them is irrelevant. I want your interpretations of the hidden meanings. And also please indicate your source too.

[anajmi]

profastian,

First, you show me yours and then I will show you mine. I don't care who gave them to you. Also, please provide the reference from the Quran about prophet Suleiman (as) cutting the hooves of his horse.

[guy_sam2005]

should one take the questions from a regressive, supported by bigger and more idiotic and ignorant regressives, seriously?

no...nooone takes u seriously...................

[guy_sam2005]

Why don't the regressives put up their version of the answers to these questions before they ask others? On the other hand when you ask questions to them their standard response is either
1. Gaali galoch and name calling. or
2. Go to the sabaks.

dude,why do u keep sayin gaali galoch..is ur cd struck too like az.........
most pf our guys here u can say 99% dont use abusive language whereas 75% of ur guys do...so who should u be preaching this gaali galoch lessons to?
can u post my 1 post where i have used gaali,or in that case aqs

[guy_sam2005]

^Thanks for proving me right. Your post proves that you cannot resist name calling. Calling us ignoramuses does not make you knowledgeable. We already know the level of your math knowledge. Thanks again.

az and najmi always calls others ignorant's.so does this apply to them too??????

[guy_sam2005]

should one take the questions from a regressive, supported by bigger and more idiotic and ignorant regressives, seriously?

smart,
dont u find abusive language here..howcome no lecture for az,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,u take ur taawil sabaq,s from his is it....

[anajmi]

profastian,

What happened my friend? I asked you something and you never responded. Atleast be man enough to say that you won't respond instead of just running. Here is what I asked.

Please provide the reference from the Quran about prophet Suleiman (as) cutting the hooves of his horse.

[Humsafar]

These questions are only directed to those progressives who believe in the Quran and the Prophet (agnostics and atheists, please don't answer)

*Do you guys believe in Jinns? If yes what are Jinns. And if no, what about the references of Jinns in the Quran. What do they refer to?
*Do you guys believe in Jannat? If yes, what is it? Just a very beautiful,everlasting,scenic place? If it is whats the point? I would be bored in a few days in such a jannat. If you dont believe in Jannat, what do the references in the Quran mean?
*Similar question about Jahannam?
*Do you guys believe that Prophet Suleiman(AS) actually cut the hooves of his horses as mentioned in the Quran. Wasn't that too brutal an act. And as you guys are so concerned about cruelty to animals(hence your posts about the hunting trips of Syedna), what do you have to say about Prophet Suleiman(AS). If you don't believe what is actually written in the Quran, then what does the Quran actually mean?
*Do you believe that Yunus was swallowed by the fish and lived in its stomach?
*Whats the point of mentioning so many times the beauty of Yousuf in the Quran?
*Whats the point of all the Qasas-ul-Inbaya anyway?

Profastian, anajmi has fittingly answered your questions. Just want to add that the progressive who believe in the Quran and the Prophet do not question - like the rest of the muslim ummah - anything prescribed by the Quran and the Prophet. Progressives do not have issues religion - Islam or the Isamili tradition. Our problem is with the current administration that has hijacked the Dawat.

[profastian]

profastian,

What happened my friend? I asked you something and you never responded. Atleast be man enough to say that you won't respond instead of just running. Here is what I asked.

Please provide the reference from the Quran about prophet Suleiman (as) cutting the hooves of his horse.

Yeah anajmi. I made a mistake in that question. Cutting the legs is actually an interpretation not a translation. So sorry for that.

[anajmi]

profastian,

An interpretation of which ayah of the Quran?

[accountability]

Good answer Hamsafar. There is no problem with religion or its meaning, no one on this board question the authenticiy of religion. whatever it is it is, what is wrong in changing the administration for less corruption, more humane and honest. What is wrong in getting rid of ostentatious life style of so few at the cost of so many.
lastly on one is all knowing except god.

[anajmi]

no one on this board question the authenticiy of religion

Seriously? What have you been reading? I can post a dozen posts from you questioning the authenticity of the Quran being from God. Let us atleast base reform on honesty. Otherwise we will end up with another Syedna who will be no better than the one that we have today.

[rania]

no one on this board question the authenticiy of religion

Seriously? What have you been reading? I can post a dozen posts from you questioning the authenticity of the Quran being from God. Let us atleast base reform on honesty. Otherwise we will end up with another Syedna who will be no better than the one that we have today.

It is so cute seeing you try to fit in here by using ' us '

Quite rich coming from you talking about the virtues of ' Honesty ' .Pot calling Kettle ! Pot calling Kettle !

[anajmi]

I think you should respond only in smileys. That way you will probably make ten times more sense than you do now.