Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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saif
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Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by saif » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:20 pm

It appears that the Kothar and the Kothary sycophants are gradually reverting to Arabic terminology from the so-called
Lisan-e-dawat:

Some of the examples:

Jadeed (as in Misaq-e-Jadeed) = new or renewal of Bohri Misaq

Zafaf: Oramnu or the consummation of marriage after the Nikah (or is it "faramnoo?)

Bin or Binte: son or daughter of

Tahruf: a gathering of Bohri young bachelors and bachlorettes with a view to fornication/matchmaking/marriage!!!

Dar-ul-eemarat: Kothari palace

Ziyafaat: the aafat of "wining and dining" for the Kotharis

Waajebaat: mandatory extortion of the gullible Bohris by the Kotharis

iftetah: opening ceremony

Zikra: sermon with poor-josh-maatam

Youmul Mab'as: "sava lakh motinoo rozu" - 27th of Rajab

sharaf of Haadiyat/Mufsiyyat?: selling of patronage titles of Sheikh and Mulla to people who have more money than sense (not cents)

Sultan-ul-Bohra: King/Emir/Emperor of Bohras

I recommend that we add some more bombastic innovations of Arabic words and terminolgies to this subject which the Kotharis etc. are using for their delusion of grandeur for them to be accepted as the NOVO MUSLIM ARABS. Please oblige and offer your suggestions. Thanks

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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by mumin » Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:37 pm

mr. Saif. read the responses by behen saheba on books of dawaat on this post and you will get your answer. she is talking about baby steps of lisan edawat in gujrati to lead upto being well verswed in arabic.

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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by incredible » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:43 am

I dont see any thing wrong in learning arabic terminology

saif
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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by saif » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:34 am

What does this mean in English? (bolded). Is it Arabic, Lisan-e-dawat or merely gibbersih to impress the gullible Bohri flock coupled with delusion of grandeur and faux status?

"Al farkadul Azhar Walkauka bul Anwar Ibrahim BS bin Al Sayedul Ajal Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM "

Source: http://www.aburhani.com/index.php
http://www.aburhani.com/akhbar-821a
http://www.aburhani.com/phpthumb/phpThumb.php?


"9th Ramadan-al-Moazzam, 1431 [18-08-2010] at Tamatave - MADAGASCAR
Janaab Ibrahim BS bin Shz Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM in Tamatave Madagascar
Al farkadul Azhar Walkauka bul Anwar Ibrahim BS bin Al Sayedul Ajal Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM Aqa Maula TUS ni RAZA se Sherul ni Khidmat waste Madagascar aya che . Pehlo Dasko apye TAMATAVE ma kido
Photo [15] "

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:18 pm

" " Janaab Ibrahim BS bin Shz Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM in Tamatave Madagascar
Al farkadul Azhar Walkauka bul Anwar Ibrahim BS bin Al Sayedul Ajal Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM Aqa Maula TUS "
Oh you mean Br.Abe.

saif
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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by saif » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:02 pm

Notice he is also called "bul" unless it is a freudian slip of the typo BULL or is it BS (Bull sh.t aka
Bhai Saheb) to the Kotharis!

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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:16 pm

saif wrote:Al farkadul Azhar Walkauka bul Anwar Ibrahim BS bin Al Sayedul Ajal Quaid Joher BS Ezzuddin DM Aqa Maula TUS ni RAZA se Sherul ni Khidmat waste Madagascar aya che .
It should be read as "Sherullah ma LOOTWA WASTE Madagascar aya chhe"

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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by porus » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:16 pm

I am intrigued why the gujarati word vadhawwu (વધાવવું) is used in certain ceremonies involving Bohra Divines. The ceremony actually is similar to aarti (આરતી). Both these words are remnants of our Hindu past.

Words with Muslim association may be difficult to find to replace these words but I am sure that Arabic words can be found or invented for this ceremony. I suggest 'tawaafal-iyaad ala raas'.

vadhawwu (વધાવવું) = To shower flowers and rice out of devotion or with blessings; to give a joyous welcome.

aarti (આરતી) = A ceremony performed in adoration of a god by moving circularly around the head of the idol a platter containing a five-wicked burning lamp, flour and incense; a hymn of praise [Bohras substitute coconut and candies for burning lamps and flour].

From the definitions, you can see that it is aarti that is performed and not vadawwu.

[Vadhawwu is a verb. If its use is insisted, I suggest the noun wadhaamani (વધામણી)]

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:42 pm

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Zeninfosys and Bohrabusiness Khidmatguzar araz Dua Iltimas to all Mumineen

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Unread post by saif » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:08 pm

I am NOT making this up.

Did you know that one has to even seek RAZA/permission of Kothar or their sycophants (AND pay salaams or najwaa) to make love to your bride on the first wedding night. It's called raza for ZAFAAF (lisan-e-dawat) - used to be Oraamnoo, in crude terms sorry, FARAAMNOO or Fu..ing. your wife on the wedding night after the Nikah, again after the waajib/mandatory Raza!

We've also heard of raza and najwaa for circumcision called Khataanat for males and for females "NAAK Windhaawoo" - euphemism for Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - a slit of girl's clit! Did you know Bohris are the only Asian Muslim community/sect/cult which has made FGM waajib/mandatory for very young impressionable girls - despite it being illegal in most Western and other emancipated countries.

Where there is muck (money to be made) Kothar would be there to rake the muck, whatever the state or colour of the muck. No wonder the greedy and rich business Bohris are lining up and want to become a patronage Mulla or Sheikh. Even after paying $51,000 or $72,000 for the privilege(s), it would be a lucrative cash cow and a very good business decision!!! .

You scratch my "back/bumside" (posterior) and I scratch yours. Come on down!! Let's make a deal, Bakraas!!!! Don't be left out. You have nothing to lose except your "pagri" (if you don't pay for the status) and your sons' and daughters' virginity and clits - if you pay up for the status and give your raza and receive continous salaams and najwaas.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:20 am

Never have so few, done so little, and made so much, while screwing so many.

saif
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Unread post by saif » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:08 am

Another very current gem from the Kothari publication - today!

Badre MuneerSeptember 7, 2010 at 3:06am
Subject: LAILATUS SALAASEEN
Salaams. LAILATUS SALAASEEN Mubarak thaai. Requesting remembrance in your Doa.BADRE MUNEER Khidmatguzars

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Unread post by porus » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:30 pm

saif wrote:Another very current gem from the Kothari publication - today!

Badre MuneerSeptember 7, 2010 at 3:06am
Subject: LAILATUS SALAASEEN
Salaams. LAILATUS SALAASEEN Mubarak thaai. Requesting remembrance in your Doa.BADRE MUNEER Khidmatguzars

Is there a problem here? It just means 'Thirtieth Night', for crying out loud!

saif
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Re: Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?

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Unread post by saif » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:59 pm

Are you another stuck-on-stupid like that notorious, Terry Jones, pastor at the Gainesville, Fla.,who wants to burn the Holy Quran?

Or perhaps you are also one french fry short of a Happy Meal. Or may be the elevator in your brain/intelligence doesn't reach the penthouse or the top floor.

Read my lips; or rather the heading of this discussion: "Is so-called "Lisan-e-Dawat" abandoned for Arabic?"Since when did we start calling or defining the days of the Misri Calendar in Arabic?. What happened to that fake or faux "Lisan-e-dawat"

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Unread post by porus » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:22 pm

We refer to many days of the year by their Arabic names in Lisan-e-Dawat.
Some examples:

Yawm al-ashura
Yawm al-mab’ath
Layaali faadhila
Lailat al-qadr
yawm al-juma’a

Urdu started out as a ‘fake’ language, initially a discordant mixture of Hindi, Farsi and Arabic, which had its detractors. Uncultured and extremist Hindus still denounce Urdu as a fake and ‘faux’ language.

Most North Indian Languages were, initially, deviant and reprobate forms of Sanskrit. Latin spawned Italian, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Old Germanic spawned English and German.

Languages are not fixed. They are organic entities which evolve over time. English became the most dominant language of the world by widespread borrowings from other languages. With the success of British domination and, now, American domination of the globe, English is accelerating its pace of borrowings from other languages.

Lisan-e-Dawat is neither new nor fake. It has been in use for centuries. Famous author of Naseehat, Shaikh Sadiqali, authored his first Naseehat during the time of the 43rd Dai nearly 200 years ago. Naseehats are in Lisan-e-Dawat. All Bohra publications have been in LIsan-e-Dawat whether they are written in Gujarati or Arabic script.

Lisan-e-Dawat has the same relationship with Gujarati as Muslim Punjabi (mainly in Pakistan) has with Punjabi of Hindus and Sikhs. Lisan-e-Dawat is eminently suited to a discourse involving the Bohra cultural and religious philosophy. All bayaans and waseelas are rendered in it. Most Bohras in the Indian sub-continent still converse in it.

If you are a Bohra and steeped in Bohra culture, you would have no difficulty in understanding that lailat al-thalatheen is specifically the 30th night of Ramadaan. Other months also have 30th night too. But Ramdaan is special as mentioned in the Quran.

As to whether Lisan-e-Dawat is abandoned for Arabic because of borrowings from Arabic, we can ask the same question of other languages, notably Urdu. Is Urdu abandoned for Farsi or Arabic because it borrows heavily from Arabic and Farsi? Yes, Hindi was abandoned when Urdu became unique. Similarly, if Lisan-e-Dawat develops to become indistinguishable from Arabic, then Lisan-e-Dawat will automatically be abandoned and become a historical curiosity. However, it is more likely that those who abandon all knowledge of Lisan-e-Dawat will not retain any appreciation of Bohra culture or religious philosophy.

A progressive stance against the administrative practices of a Bohra clergy does not mean hatred of everything Bohra.

If you compare Lisan-e-Dawat with Urdu vis-a-vis their origins in Gujarati and Hindi respectively, you will, as with Urdu, appreciate the power and beauty of Lisan-e-Dawat. But that cannot happen when hate interferes with heart and mind.

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Unread post by Aarif » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:55 pm

Very informative post on lisan-e-dawat br. Porus. Thanks for the same.