bohri masjid is not a masjid

[incredible]

Bismillah al rahmanir rahim...

bohri masjid is not a masjid,masjid is one which is constructed for all followers of islam to pray,but bohri masjids are private property of syedna and it does not belongs to Allah,as a house of Allah,praying in bohri masjid is like praying in private house of some one and not the house of Allah.

[mumin]

bohri masjids also have special offices for the local amil and the goonda committee. The reason for this private offices is so that they can call you in their office one at a time and screw you till they can get all the money they can squeeze out of you. They practice the typical british policy of divide and rule. They tell each mumin a different story to get the maximum. Be forewarned of their filthy tricks.

[Al Zulfiqar]

a bohra masjid is not for muslims.

a muslim masjid is made for worshipping allah.
a bohra masjid is for worshipping dai, watching films on his travels and bayans and celebrating his birthdays with singing, cakes and banners, placards and lavish feasts.

a muslim masjid is ready for praying from the day that its 4 walls go up.
a bohra masjid is ready for praying only if its consecrated by the dai, who injects life into it - a la the hindu ceremony of praan prathistha, no matter how many months it remains locked awaiting his arrival. even allah cannot accept yr prayers in this masjid, if dai has not inaugurated it.

a muslim masjid does not require lavish decorations or fanfare for its opening, no fat sums of money exchange hands to have a celebrity inaugurate it.
a bohra masjid is extremely expensive to inaugurate. dai has to be paid hefty sums, his pup zaadas have to be dined and felicitated and a tyrant amil has to be installed with fancy accomodations, so that he can terrorise meek and naive bohras.

in a muslim masjid, prayers take place.
in a bohra masjid, prayers are the least of the priorities. most important is majlises, maatams, bayans, dareeses, misaks, live relays, sitaabi's, top secret sabaks, and of course labrez jamans after every occasion, whether sad or joyous.

in a muslim masjid, there is no singing, idol worshipping or rhythmic maatams.
in a bohra masjid they sing kufr filled songs glorifying their dai, do sajdas to him and undertake weird hypnotic voodoo type dances in circles, wherein they indulge in senseless self-flagellation and offer it to their dai as a form of devotion. they ostensibly do this in remembrance of the austerity, integrity, sacrifices and slaughter of the prophet's progeny, but fall like hungry wolves upon lavish feasts afterwards!

in a muslim masjid they meet happily, pray and disperse.
in a bohra masjid, they socialise, but hardly ever pray, and are in constant dread of being summoned by the amil and committee members to cough up huge amounts on demand. bohra masjids have a warren of offices wherein the king is in his counting house counting all his money and devising new schemes to lighten the pockets of timid bohras.

in a muslim masjid upon the call of prayer, muslims rush for prayers, do wudhu and start praying in whatever clothes they are in to answer the call of allah.
in a bohra masjid, you are ejected if you are not in proper uniform sanctioned by the dai (not allah) and its ok if you pray only maghrib fardh or zohar fardh prayers only. the rest is a nuisance.

[anajmi]

Al Z,

You are a follower of the satanical Abdul Wahhab who does not allow alternate interpretations of the Daimul Islam!!

[like_minded]

Alzulfi bhai

A very good post!!!!

Differences pointed out very well!!!!!!!

[Humsafar]

AZ, excellent post!!

[JC]

Bro AZ,

Superb and factual analysis .......

In a Muslim Masjid there are ONLY names of Allah to be seen, in a Bohra one the name of Allah is hardly visible, it is all Ali, Hussain (had they been alive, they would rather die).

In a Muslim Masjid there are NO pictures ever, in a Bohra one every now and then Dai FRAME appears.

In a Muslim Masjid there are NO Hindu rituals performed, in a Bohra one Sajda to Mortals, Wadhawano etc is common.

In a Muslim Masjid it is First Come First Serve basis for Namizees, in a Bohra one all Shaikhs and Gondas have RIGHT to be in Frist Saf even they arrive at 11.99th hour.

In a Muslim Masjid there is NO Concept of 'Jaga', in a Bohra one you have your place (Jaga).

In a Muslim Majid slots are NOT sold, in a Bohra one they are very much SOLD.

In a Muslim Masjid there is no value of Masala, in a Bohra one you must have an excellent Masala and must stare at Namazee next if he steps on yours (reluctantly agree to 'share' on the instructions of Ayan-ul-Jamat).

I must add the conclusion - A Muslim Mosque is a MASJID and a Bohra Mosque is NON-MASJID.

[Muslim First]

In a Muslim Masjid there is no value of Masala,

In Muslim Masjid we do not bring our own Massalla (Ja Namaaz). We pray on carpet of Masjid. In one masjid I used my clean Hand kerchif to prevent breathing of carpet dust (I was being treated at that time and immunity was low). Some brothers remarked that If I did not think carpet was clean then I should vaccume it.

[Gulf]

Bismillah al rahmanir rahim...

bohri masjid is not a masjid,masjid is one which is constructed for all followers of islam to pray,but bohri masjids are private property of syedna and it does not belongs to Allah,as a house of Allah,praying in bohri masjid is like praying in private house of some one and not the house of Allah.

Baseless topic..

Masjid is a property of ALLAH and Dai is not a common person but 'DAI.LLAH' himself belong to ALLAH.. all answers are there... thus your point is baseless and rejected.

Naudhubillah.. Astaghfirullah


Wassalaam

[incredible]

Bismillah al rahmanir rahim...

bohri masjid is not a masjid,masjid is one which is constructed for all followers of islam to pray,but bohri masjids are private property of syedna and it does not belongs to Allah,as a house of Allah,praying in bohri masjid is like praying in private house of some one and not the house of Allah.

Baseless topic..

Masjid is a property of ALLAH and Dai is not a common person but 'DAI.LLAH' himself belong to ALLAH.. all answers are there... thus your point is baseless and rejected.

Naudhubillah.. Astaghfirullah


Wassalaam

do u even understand meaning of dai? dont u isnt it?

nauzobillah astagferullah

[incredible]

do u even know every true muslim and a momeen is dai-llah? we all have a reposibility to spread deen e muhammed(saw).

we all belong to Allah and we all will return to him.

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro AZ's post sums up almost everything superbly but to add a few pence :

In a Muslim Masjid one sees a Muslim kissing the Holy Quran but
in a Bohra masjid one sees bohras standing up in respect and kissing the cyclostyled/xerox copies of the Dai's farman.

From the exhaustive observations pointed out by Bro AZ and others one can finally conclude that

A MUSLIM MASJID IS OPEN FOR THE ENTIRE MUSLIM UMMAH BUT
A BOHRA MASJID IS EXCLUSIVE FOR BOHRAS ONLY AND NOT FOR MUSLIMS PER SE WHICH GIVES A CONCRETE PROOF THAT "BOHRAS ARE NOT MUSLIMS" AND THE DAY IS NOT FAR WHEN THEY WILL BE EX-COMMUNICATED BY THE ENTIRE MUSLIM UMMAH WORLDWIDE.... A FIT EXAMPLE OF 'PAYING BACK IN THE SAME COIN'. As the saying goes "you reap what you sow".

[ghulam muhammed]

Masjid is a property of ALLAH

If the above is true then why do bohras have to do wakf of the masjid to dai and that too after paying thru their nose ?

your point is baseless and rejected.

Firstly are you an Islamic scholar, a maulvi or the messenger of Allah to reject the claims ? And as per which Islamic and/or Quranic interpretation do you reject the claims and state that it is baseless ? The only claim you have is that of the slave of dai and slaves are required to agree to anything and everything that their master says and moreover slaves dont have any say in any matter whatsoever. Their only duty is to serve their master no matter how arrogant, greedy or unjust he may be.

[S. Insaf]

I request brother Gulf to read the AGREEMENTS signed by Syedna Saheb's representatives with Waqf Boards in 1974, after the mass revolt in Udaipur and Syedna Saheb loosing his hold on the waqf properties of the Dawoodi Bohra Community in Udaipur. It is clearly and most adamantly stated in one of the conditions of the AGEEMENTS that:
" (a) That as for as the Dawoodi Bohra Community is concerned, the Waqfs of the Community are different from the Waqfs as understand in Muslim Law. In Muslim Law Waqf property is dedicated to God and vested in God. The administration and the management of such property is in the hands of a Mutawalli. However under Dawoodi Bohra concept of Waqf while the property dedicated to God, its ownership vest in His Holiness, the Dai-al-Mutlaq..........The concept of Mutawalli as commonly understood is alien to Dawoodi Bohra Waqfs.
Such claims are made by keeping the community in the dark and by bribing Waqf Board officials.

[incredible]

Bismillah al rahmanir rahim...

bohri masjid is not a masjid,masjid is one which is constructed for all followers of islam to pray,but bohri masjids are private property of syedna and it does not belongs to Allah,as a house of Allah,praying in bohri masjid is like praying in private house of some one and not the house of Allah.

any place dedicated for worship of Allah is a masjid,hence i appologise and take back my words....

[Mubarak]

a bohra masjid is not for muslims.

a muslim masjid is made for worshipping allah.
a bohra masjid is for worshipping dai, watching films on his travels and bayans and celebrating his birthdays with singing, cakes and banners, placards and lavish feasts.

a muslim masjid is ready for praying from the day that its 4 walls go up.
a bohra masjid is ready for praying only if its consecrated by the dai, who injects life into it - a la the hindu ceremony of praan prathistha, no matter how many months it remains locked awaiting his arrival. even allah cannot accept yr prayers in this masjid, if dai has not inaugurated it.

a muslim masjid does not require lavish decorations or fanfare for its opening, no fat sums of money exchange hands to have a celebrity inaugurate it.
a bohra masjid is extremely expensive to inaugurate. dai has to be paid hefty sums, his pup zaadas have to be dined and felicitated and a tyrant amil has to be installed with fancy accomodations, so that he can terrorise meek and naive bohras.

in a muslim masjid, prayers take place.
in a bohra masjid, prayers are the least of the priorities. most important is majlises, maatams, bayans, dareeses, misaks, live relays, sitaabi's, top secret sabaks, and of course labrez jamans after every occasion, whether sad or joyous.

in a muslim masjid, there is no singing, idol worshipping or rhythmic maatams.
in a bohra masjid they sing kufr filled songs glorifying their dai, do sajdas to him and undertake weird hypnotic voodoo type dances in circles, wherein they indulge in senseless self-flagellation and offer it to their dai as a form of devotion. they ostensibly do this in remembrance of the austerity, integrity, sacrifices and slaughter of the prophet's progeny, but fall like hungry wolves upon lavish feasts afterwards!

in a muslim masjid they meet happily, pray and disperse.
in a bohra masjid, they socialise, but hardly ever pray, and are in constant dread of being summoned by the amil and committee members to cough up huge amounts on demand. bohra masjids have a warren of offices wherein the king is in his counting house counting all his money and devising new schemes to lighten the pockets of timid bohras.

in a muslim masjid upon the call of prayer, muslims rush for prayers, do wudhu and start praying in whatever clothes they are in to answer the call of allah.
in a bohra masjid, you are ejected if you are not in proper uniform sanctioned by the dai (not allah) and its ok if you pray only maghrib fardh or zohar fardh prayers only. the rest is a nuisance.

Dear Al Zulfiquar bhai and Incredible,

Dawoodi Bohra mosques are mosque per Islamic (Daim-ul-Islam) prescription.

Burhanuddin sahib and his parasite family for their material gains have ABUSED the system.

Thus, please don't blame "Bohra masjid", blame Burhanuddin sahib for abusing.

[profastian]

Bismillah al rahmanir rahim...

bohri masjid is not a masjid,masjid is one which is constructed for all followers of islam to pray,but bohri masjids are private property of syedna and it does not belongs to Allah,as a house of Allah,praying in bohri masjid is like praying in private house of some one and not the house of Allah.

any place dedicated for worship of Allah is a masjid,hence i appologise and take back my words....

You don't need to apologize. We all understand that you are mentally ill and dont give much heed to your words...

[leila]

any place dedicated for worship of Allah is a masjid,hence i appologise and take back my words....

You don't need to apologize. We all understand that you are mentally ill and dont give much heed to your words...

do u accept not just bohri but all places dedicated for worship of Allah is masjid?

[profastian]

do u accept not just bohri but all places dedicated for worship of Allah is masjid?

Yes it can be called a masjid and you can pray there. But praying in a such a masjid wud be no different than praying at home.

[Regal]

But praying in a such a masjid wud be no different than praying at home.

and why is that? because they pray to different God? or because they revere the sahabas as much as they revere hazrat ali? or because they do translation of the quraan?


Before believing in such statements think about the difference it makes to Allah whether someone prays in a bohri mosque or other mosques.
say its time for prayer and a sunni guy walks into a bohri masjid to pray, w/o topi n qaumi libas, would he be allowed to pray inside?

[profastian]

But praying in a such a masjid wud be no different than praying at home.

and why is that? because they pray to different God? or because they revere the sahabas as much as they revere hazrat ali? or because they do translation of the quraan?


Before believing in such statements think about the difference it makes to Allah whether someone prays in a bohri mosque or other mosques.
say its time for prayer and a sunni guy walks into a bohri masjid to pray, w/o topi n qaumi libas, would he be allowed to pray inside?

Yeah sure he will be allowed to pray. I see such instances every other day.

[Regal]

Yeah sure he will be allowed to pray. I see such instances every other day.

That is good then. what do you say abt the other thing? about getting sawab of praying in other mosques? although it is a moot point as we dont know Allah's counsels and he can give sawab to whomever he wishes but for arguments sake and the sake of the mentality bohris have toward other comunities.

[SBM]

profastian
Yeah sure he will be allowed to pray. I see such instances every other day.

Can you tell me one Bohra Masjid where Sunni or for that reason even Shias are allowed to pray, and if you do, then why not allow progressive Bohras or Alavi Bohras to pray in the Bohri Masjid without STD (Saya, Topi,Dadhi)

[aqs]

profastian
Yeah sure he will be allowed to pray. I see such instances every other day.

Can you tell me one Bohra Masjid where Sunni or for that reason even Shias are allowed to pray, and if you do, then why not allow progressive Bohras or Alavi Bohras to pray in the Bohri Masjid without STD (Saya, Topi,Dadhi)

Come to my city and you will find at least 10-15 Muslims other than DB's praying along with everyone on Juma. I agree people in India are not that accommodating and it should change, i have seen people being thrown out and when protested i was given some blank stares. I dont think their is any explicit order from Kothar to throw people out but its the overzealousness of people in general and management in particular who go over board and take these kind of actions

and Just FYI
i usually pray in western cloths in our Masjid due to prayer time on hand and dont want to miss the Imamat salaat. Many others like me come from their offices or shops directly and pray and no one asks them to wear any particular clothes.

[SBM]

I dont think their is any explicit order from Kothar to throw people out but its the overzealousness of people in general and management in particular who go over board and take these kind of actions

Br. Aqs
And I never accused Kothar of any such order but local Aaamils and Jamaat Board does represent Kothar and nothing is done without their Raza since all the Bohra Masaajids are Wakf property and belongs to Syedna and Dawat-e-Hadiyah.

[Husain taher]

in my town special place is reserved in masjid for abdes studing in Madresa...

Such an inequality

[Conscíous]

say its time for prayer and a sunni guy walks into a bohri masjid to pray, w/o topi n qaumi libas, would he be allowed to pray inside?

It all depends on who he meets at the gates of the Bohra mosque or Bohra temple.. In east Africa, the watchman will stop him from entering.. And if he some how got inside the temple.. It will be first & last time you'll EVER see this person inside..

If he is VERY lucky.. He'll just get, "the evil look" by the hardcore fanatic's.. And if he is only lucky.. Someone will tell him to piss off..
If he is unlucky.. They will drag/throw him out.. And if he is very unlucky.. They'll beat him up..

Most of the Muslims are starting to be, well aware of .., it's not the house of Allah.. But a temple, for their bhagwaan..

[leila]

say its time for prayer and a sunni guy walks into a bohri masjid to pray, w/o topi n qaumi libas, would he be allowed to pray inside?

It all depends on who he meets at the gates of the Bohra mosque or Bohra temple.. In east Africa, the watchman will stop him from entering.. And if he some how got inside the temple.. It will be first & last time you'll EVER see this person inside..

If he is VERY lucky.. He'll just get, "the evil look" by the hardcore fanatic's.. And if he is only lucky.. Someone will tell him to piss off..
If he is unlucky.. They will drag/throw him out.. And if he is very unlucky.. They'll beat him up..

Most of the Muslims are starting to be, well aware of .., it's not the house of Allah.. But a temple, for their bhagwaan..

this is not true no muslim is ever beaten up in bohra mosque for prayers.

[Conscíous]

It all depends on who he meets at the gates of the Bohra mosque or Bohra temple.. In east Africa, the watchman will stop him from entering.. And if he some how got inside the temple.. It will be first & last time you'll EVER see this person inside..

If he is VERY lucky.. He'll just get, "the evil look" by the hardcore fanatic's.. And if he is only lucky.. Someone will tell him to piss off..
If he is unlucky.. They will drag/throw him out.. And if he is very unlucky.. They'll beat him up..

Most of the Muslims are starting to be, well aware of .., it's not the house of Allah.. But a temple, for their bhagwaan..

this is not true no muslim is ever beaten up in bohra mosque for prayers.

I have personally seen MAAAAAANY fights inside the Bohra temple.. Have you been to EVERY bohra temple, at the same time, all around the world and say : No Muslim is ever beaten up in Bohra temple for prayers.?? You are not God!!

If this shameless, AGGRESSIVE, wanna be Muslims, with ALL the worst characters a human can have, are capably of doing all the above.. I have to assume, they have done it & are capably of beating others..