Who are the blind followers?

[profastian]

The Haq na sahab and the Quran are one and the same thing. Only one of them can talk. No question of one being above another.

A famous remark attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib is:

"al-Qur'an, huwa afzal min kull shayy doon Allah" meaning "Qur'an is superior to all things except Allah".

And how does this quote imply that Quran and Ali cannot be the same things?
I have noticed that whenever you are cornered you resort to mockery.
Mark of a true jahil in the guise of an intellectual.

[Humsafar]

Porus, this guy is not saying that the Dai is equal to the Quran. He's actually implying that the Dai is superior to the Quran:

Quran on the other hand does not cover all facts, does not predict every happening and does not cover all religious knowledge (without tawil).

And faustian, we resort to mockery because that is the only humane way to deal with you when you make illogical, un-Islamic and preposterous claims. If you were to make such claims openly in a Muslim gathering you would be lynched.

[Jamali]

Humsafar,

I agree with you. Its concerning that people are being taught un-islamic ways to the point that the definition of God and "More La" are construed to be one and the same thing. This total brainwashing and fanatism has started to reach new heights within the community now. These are the younger generation speaking and sadly none of the elders within the community are actually trying to correct them.

They may not realize it but such stupidity and childish thoughts are just bringing shame to the community they represent. I mean is this the 'ilm' that they are taught in this sabaks of theirs? Every Muslim will know that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his last Messenger and that it is SHIRK to bow down or do Sajda or offer Namaz to anyone else except Allah and ALLAH ONLY!!! Whats this stupidity of big pictures of "More La" in every Bohra home akin to keeping Idols? then the arzis and permission for birth names and even burial from More La? Isnt that all un-islamic? There are many ways to show your love to the person you respect and take as a leader but keeping pictures of him and bowing to him amounts to Worship and not respect!!!
Dawoodi Bohras you seriously need to look up the definition of Worship and Respect and start differentiating them!!!

[porus]

Emboldening of abdes to openly proclaim shirk is most probably caused by Kothar's overdrive in inculcating unIslamic ideas amongst the sabak-attending ignoramuses. Clearly, a Dai who allows sujood to himself and other mushrik-like harakats has gone beyond the pale of Islam. Even his pretense at being a Muslim now rings hollow.

To equate the Quran to himself and to turn even the most blatantly obvious zahiri commandments of the Quran to serve himself renders the Dai unacceptable to be the occupier of the position of the Dai al-Mutlaq.

Sabaks have one, and only one, purpose. To turn young ignorant Bohras into Dai-worshipping zombies. You see the result on this board. No matter what subject the Aamils deal with in sabaks or majlis bayaans, the agenda is obvious. The whole thrust of 'Haqaiq' lessons is to instil unquestioning obedience to the Dai and his henchmen. Every ayat will be used to serve this primary aim. Muhammad obeyed God unquestioningly. Ali obeyed Muhammad unquestioningly. You must obey the Dai unquestioningly. That is all there is to it. Walayat is taa'at of Dai, Namaaz is taa'at of Dai, Zakaat is taa'at of Dai and so on.

You see the result on this board. It is all Haq na saheb; he can do no wrong; he is noor of God; no, in fact, he is God.

There was a time when religious instruction was purported to liberate human beings. Enlightenment is furthest from the teachings of the Bohras. What does an enlightened man do when he instructs his followers? Does he cry and make them beat their breasts 24/7? That is the enlightenment for the Dai-worshippers. Disgusting!!

[Jamali]

Porus,

I totally agree. Its sad to note the current situation amongst the Bohra Community. The stupidity and ignorance has reached new heights amongst the followers and this only poses a concern for the future of their next generations.

Consider the 100 year Salgirah celebrations being conducted and you just wonder where this community is heading towards. Its nothing short of "Worship" under the pretext of respect and love for him. My concerns are for those innocent children who are being brainwashed with all this stupidity.

I think its time the Muslim world took notice and intervened at such stupidity and childishness. The current non-sensical outbursts comparing "More La" with God or Allah places a black mark on the basis of Islam and as such should be strongly condemned. We just pray for Almighty Allah to help them to guide them to the right path!

[Al Zulfiqar]

let us get back to the rhetorical question of the abde moron, "who are the blind followers?"

imagine a gaggle of brainwashed abdes with blindfolds over their eyes trying to determine the identity of an animal like a huge elephant by feeling and touching it, making conjectures on what it could be.

now imagine these blind abdes with heavy blindfolds + ear plugs + wearing winter gloves to deaden their touch, asking others "who are the blind and stupid followers"?

surely an apocryphal query, the stupendous idiocy of which would break even a troglodyte's back!!!

[Hussain_KSA]

Porus,

I agree what you have written but your post is enough to brand you as Wahabi

You were always balanced in your writing but it seems that water has crossed the level. You will find every now and than when people will come and question you and when you qoute the quran or any other source they will only agree if it is according to their learning in Sabak.

Taweel that what you qoute and what I have studied is expired now. I won't say Dai (because I trust he is not in position to do all this) but his coherts has changed the complete concept of Dawat.

[Jamali]

I beg to differ Hussain KSA.

Today the Dai is the leader of the community and there is no way a community with a leader can be 'run' by cohorts and the Leader has no knowledge of this.

Secondly as a religious leader, its his duty and responsibility to safeguard the Dawat and if his so called cohorts have taken over then either he has to step up as a leader or step down to give way to someone who can run the affairs of the Dawat in the correct way.

Lets be realistic. We have a breed of brainwashed fanatics who are being churned out of the Madresas, trained to follow whatever the Haq, na saheb demands. We have a leader, who based on your assumption doesnt know anything about the cohort affairs or who cant do anything about it if he isnt part of it. We have the followers who live in fear of excommunication hence unable to question anything the current dawat demands of them. What does all this amount to? Do you see a bright future for the community??? We now even have members of the same community who proclaim GOD to be "More La" and even start to question the very basis of Islam like the Quran etc (aka Murtaza, Progpigs, Profastian - these are more than one individual!) These are all not good signs for the community and we have the basis of a cult in the making!!!

Put all these things into perspective and you will see the gravity of the situation here. The community and the royal family continues to amass wealth in unbelievable proportions and very soon it will be a jail house of sorts for its members. Power and wealth are a deadly combination and soon there will be no stopping the cohorts of the Dawat. I feel sad that the little existence of Islamic principles are also fading away in this community as the time goes by.

[murtaza2152]

Porus quoted,
Walayat is taa'at
of Dai, Namaaz is taa'at of Dai,
Zakaat is taa'at of Dai and so
on.

Exactly this is Relegion,This is true path.
Imam said ,"Haliddino illal Hub, haliddino illal Hub.

[murtaza2152]

And for Quran,
Syedna Tayyib Zainuddin quoted in his veses,
"Imam is Qurane kull and Doats are different sura's of Quran"
like 51st dai was in maqam of Yasin,
and quran is samit, it does not speak but our dai is qurane natiq...
as mola Ali said ,O Kitabullah speak ,it did not reply
then Mola Ali said i am speakin quran ie qurane natiq,
In this age natiqe quraan imam is in satr ,so natiqe quraan is Dai e AmirilMumineen Allama Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin tus.


Note -only mumineen will understand my writing not progs bcause they r Asgari ,Insafi or Ahmedi Bohras not Dawoodi bohras as they do not recite name of 47 to 52nd dai in Fajr prayer.
They dont blieve mola as Dail Mutlaq.

[profastian]

Porus,
You were always balanced in your writing but it seems that water has crossed the level.

He hasn't really changed. He was a hyprocrite before, now he has come out of the closet

[sixfeetunder]

Is this is the official Dawoodi Bohra position? Also, what did Hazrat Abu Talib (a.s) and Hazrat Abdul Muttalib (a.s) teach the Prophet?

Wordly/secular affairs or religious ones? Thanks.

Both... everything a Nabi needs to know.

Thank you for clarifying. I would suggest you to confirm once more with your teachers as this claim has serious ramifications. I feel you have just answered my question for the sake of answering. Also, please make your words clear. What do you imply with 'everything a nabi needs to know'?

A Prophet 'needs' to learn from others? Agreed that Abu Talib and Abdul Muttalib were followers of Deen-e-Hanifa but for them to teach the Prophet 'religious' matters is plain absurd. Don't you believe that a Prophet is born as a Prophet? Or are you one of those who believe that the Prophet did not know he was a Prophet until a revelation came when he was at Mount Hira?

[porus]

Porus,

You were always balanced in your writing but it seems that water has crossed the level.

Thank you for your input, brother Husain_KSA,

As a Muslim, what would be your 'balanced' response to people who call themselves Muslims and insist on calling a mere human a God and perform sajda to him? And what would your 'balanced' response be to a person who calls himself Ilah and allows others to do sajda to him?

As a Muslim, I am sure you are aware that Quran does not compromise on this issue at all.

[Jamali]

Its true. Considering the current proclaimations by members of the community with regard to the status of their "More La" in this world you cant hold yourself with regard to such utterances. I really put forward the question as to what is taught in those Madressa's and Sabaks. It seems the leaders of the community have really started corrupting the thought processes of its members to a point of fanatism and complete brainwash. When one questions the status of the Quran with that of More La, you want to now question the authenticity of followings of the community!

[progpigs]

hey progs!

atleast we haf a translator of quran (quran natik)

u ppl borrow from usmani sources!! and u knw who usman was!!

soo whose wrong now???

[SBM]

progpigs on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:53 pm
hey progs!
atleast we haf a translator of quran (quran natik)
u ppl borrow from usmani sources!! and u knw who usman was!!
soo whose wrong now???

Propig
The current copy of Quran used by Kotharis is the same one which was compiled by Caliph Usman, so either you should stop reading the current Quran or find a copy written by Kothari

[progpigs]

progpigs on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:53 pm
hey progs!
atleast we haf a translator of quran (quran natik)
u ppl borrow from usmani sources!! and u knw who usman was!!
soo whose wrong now???

Propig
The current copy of Quran used by Kotharis is the same one which was compiled by Caliph Usman, so either you should stop reading the current Quran or find a copy written by Kothari

here we are talking about TRANSLATION!!! not the QURAN SCRIPT in ARABIC!! (I advice you to put pressure on ur knees before you answer!!)

and secondly QURAN has been compiled by MOULA ALI!! (dun wana discuss in details coz as it is u dun haf brains)

[SBM]

^
No sense talking to an IDIOT

[progpigs]

^
No sense talking to an IDIOT

progpig reveals the hidden truth behind this sentence

----------------------------------------------------
omabharti actually says:

I DUN HAF AN ANSWER FOR THIS

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hahaha

[Muslim First]

omabharti wrote:
Propig
The current copy of Quran used by Kotharis is the same one which was compiled by Caliph Usman, so either you should stop reading the current Quran or find a copy written by Kothari

by progpigs on Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:07 pm

and secondly QURAN has been compiled by MOULA ALI!! (dun wana discuss in details coz as it is u dun haf brains)

Br

Bros. Ombharti and propig

For Allah sake do little research before shooting off

Just google “compilation of Quran”
http://www.sunnah.org/history/quran_compiled.htm
http://www.sunnah.org/history/Sahaba/Sa ... _Quran.htm

propig said
secondly QURAN has been compiled by MOULA ALI!!

Propig

And Where can I find this compilation?

[murtaza2152]

@Muslim First
Here it is Compilation of Quran by Mola Ali as
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/4.html

[sixfeetunder]

Ali (a.s) had compiled the Qur'an systematically. First revelation first, last revelation last - Chronologically. It also had commentary which included the place and circumstances of the revelation, tafsir and ta'wil, the reason why it was revealed and with context to which people it was revealed. It had names of some companions and these companions would feel insecure and embarrassed if this version of the Qur'an came out. Right after the death of the Prophet (s.a.w), Maula Ali (a.s) had started this task of compiling the Qur'an chronologically. However, during the time of Uthman's caliphate, during one of the battles, many of the Qur'an hafiz were killed and hence the need for a complete binded Qur'an arose. Now, there was one version compiled by the ruling authority and another by Ali (a.s). Ali's (a.s) compilation was rejected due to above mentioned reasons and the state-recognized version was made official.

Ali (a.s), being the great man that he was, concealed his own copy, so that two versions of the Qur'an do not come into circulation and the Muslims could have one official book. This would prevent dissent among the Muslims. Important thing to note is that the Qur'an as we have now, is the same from 'cover-to-cover' as the one which was compiled by Ali (a.s). It is only not correct in the chronological order of revelation.

[Muslim First]

by murtaza2152 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:12 am

@Muslim First
Here it is Compilation of Quran by Mola Ali as
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/4.html

And where is this copy of Qur'an?

does al-islam.org have a copy?

Why is a DB foes to Ithna source to prove a point?

Are'nt DB only true Muslims? with true Imam in hiding (I do hot know why) and Masoom Niab and his sons messing with Abde's heads?

6'u
Ali (a.s), being the great man that he was, concealed his own copy,

Now shias are accusing great man and Amir ul Moumeen of whole Umma of deception!!!
They are great at inventing lies. When their line of Imam goes kaput they invent things like going in hiding and fairy tales. Talking to tyrants by Ilham etc.

Wasalaam

[Muslim First]

6'u
Ali (a.s) had compiled the Qur'an systematically. First revelation first, last revelation last - Chronologically. It also had commentary which included the place and circumstances of the revelation, tafsir and ta'wil, the reason why it was revealed and with context to which people it was revealed. It had names of some companions and these companions would feel insecure and embarrassed if this version of the Qur'an came out. Right after the death of the Prophet (s.a.w), Maula Ali (a.s) had started this task of compiling the Qur'an chronologically.

Majority of Muslims believe that whenever Prophet SAW received revealations Gibreal AS also instructed where to insert this passage and he remembered according to Allah's order.

During his last Ramadan it is reported that Gibreal came and recited Qur'an 3 times with Prophet SAW. If Hz Ali had different chrono Qur'an it would be against Allah's order.

It also had commentary which included the place and circumstances of the revelation, tafsir and ta'wil, the reason why it was revealed and with context to which people it was revealed.

This is probably true but why destroy it. It was great source of knowledge and lot of disputes in understaning of Qur'an would not be there.


If anybody has this knowledge why he is keeping it hidden and dispences it in private sicrete sabak for profit?

[anajmi]

Ali (a.s) had compiled the Qur'an systematically. First revelation first, last revelation last - Chronologically. It also had commentary which included the place and circumstances of the revelation, tafsir and ta'wil, the reason why it was revealed and with context to which people it was revealed. It had names of some companions and these companions would feel insecure and embarrassed if this version of the Qur'an came out. Right after the death of the Prophet (s.a.w), Maula Ali (a.s) had started this task of compiling the Qur'an chronologically. However, during the time of Uthman's caliphate, during one of the battles, many of the Qur'an hafiz were killed and hence the need for a complete binded Qur'an arose. Now, there was one version compiled by the ruling authority and another by Ali (a.s). Ali's (a.s) compilation was rejected due to above mentioned reasons and the state-recognized version was made official.

Ali (a.s), being the great man that he was, concealed his own copy, so that two versions of the Qur'an do not come into circulation and the Muslims could have one official book. This would prevent dissent among the Muslims. Important thing to note is that the Qur'an as we have now, is the same from 'cover-to-cover' as the one which was compiled by Ali (a.s). It is only not correct in the chronological order of revelation.

Wow!! Fantastic fairy tales compiled by the idol worshippers of Hazrat Ali. Imagine the power of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman!! They managed to hide their names from the Quran. Allah himself couldn't reveal their names as hypocrites. Too bad Abu Lahab failed at what they succeeded.

[ghulam muhammed]

Qur'aan - The Shias call the Qur'aan "Note Book of Usman." They consider the present Qur'aan as compiled by, Hazrat Abu Baker (R.A.), Hazrat Omar (R.A.) and Hazrat Usman (R.A.) whom they consider usurpers of Mola Ali's (a.s.) caliphate, unbelievers and renegades. (The fact is that the whole Qur'aan was revealed to the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) who got it written on slabs of bones and stones, parchments etc. and it was memorised by many companions and recited in the presence of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.).

The Shia belief is that the real Qur’aan was entrusted by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) to Mola Ali (a.s.), but when the enemies did not believe in the same, Mola Ali (a.s.) concealed it and entrusted the same to his successor Imaams, and the eleventh Imaam handed it over to the twelfth Imaam - the underground and hidden Imaam. He is keeping the real Qur'aan in his custody, and when he will reappear, he will then reveal the real Qur'aan. The underground Imaam was only a child when he was entrusted with the Holy Qur'aan for safe custody.

The Shias believe that in the real Qur'aan lying with the underground Twelfth Imaam, there is a clear mention of Mola Ali (a.s.) and his posterity Imaamat. The present Qur'aan is abridged and the Shias per force believe the same as Qur'aan - but it is only, a stopgap belief. (vide Majalisus - Shia 147-149). (Al Balaghul- Mobin 368) (Ibid 37 Volume Two, 378, 373). (On the other hand, even European Orientalists consider the Qur'aan to be the only religious scripture in the world free from any temperance and existing in its pristine purity).

There are more than two hundred narrations (regarded as authentic by Shias) in Shi'ite primary sources which testify that the present Qur'an has been tampered with, some things added, and some omitted. Not one Shi'ite narration speaks of the veracity of the present Qur'an, and according to them, it only occupies the status of an isolated tradition (khabr wahid).

Jabir reported that he heard Imam Baqir saying: 'No one can claim that he has compiled the Quran as Allah revealed except a liar. The only person to compile it and memorise it according to its revelation was Ali ibn Abi Talib and the Imams who succeeded him. (Usole kafi 1:228)

A man said that someone was reciting the Quran in the company of Imam Ja'far. The narrator said that he heard certain verses in the recitation which were not according to the recitation of the people. Imam Ja'far told the person reciting: 'Do not recite like this. Recite as the people recite until the (promised) Mahdi arrives. When the Mahdi arrives, he will recite the Quran according to its original revelation and the Qu,ran compiled by Ali will be brought forward. (Ibid: 2.622)

•Allah says in Surah Taha (115):

"And We had given Adam an order before, but he forgot and We did not find any resolve in him (to disobey the order)."

Imam Ja'far is reported to have said that Allah had revealed this verse with the following words:

"We had ordered Adam before with some words about Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the Imams from their offspring but he (Adam) forgot." Ja'far said: 'By Allah, these were the words which were revealed to Muhammad.' (Usul Kafi: 1:416 and the footnotes of Maqbool's translation: 637)

•Allah says in Surah Yusuf (49):

"Then a year will come in which people will be given abundant help and they will press grapes." In AI-Qummi's commentary it is reported from Imam Ja'far that someone recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said: 'What will they press'? Wine?' The person asked how he should read the verse. Ali replied that the verse was revealed thus: "Then a year will come in which people will he given abundant help and in which they will be given abundant rain. (Al-Qummi's commentary: 192)

The word Ya'siroon in the present Quran is in the active voice. According to this commentary it should have been read in the passive voice as Yu'saroon to alter the meaning. In the footnotes to the translation of Maqbool, it is written that this word (Ya'siroon) was changed from the passive voice to the active to suit the fancies of wine-loving khulafa (rulers). (Maqbool's translation: 479)

•Allah says in Surah Muhammad (9):

"That is because they resented what Allah revealed, so Allah in turn cancelled their deeds." AI-Qummi has stated that Imam Muhammad Baqir said that Jibreel had transmitted this verse as: 'That is because they resented what Allah revealed about Ali.' But then the apostates removed Ali's name (from the Quran). (Ibid: 1011)

•Allah says in Surah Waqi'ah (29):

"And the Companions of the Right Hand. What about the Companions of the Right Hand. They shall be among thornless lote-trees and under clusters of bananas."

One person recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said that the word Talh is not.appropriate and should read Tal'a as in Surah Shu'araa (.........). Some enquired as why the word should not be changed. Ali replied that it was not the right time to do so because correcting the Quran would only confuse common people. He went on to say that among the Imams, only Imam Mahdi will have the right to reintroduce the Quran as it was during the time of the prophet (s.a.w.). (Ibid: 1067)

Mullah Muhsin Kashani, an 11th century Shi'ite scholar comments on the above quoted statement:

'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (s.a.w.) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (s.a.w.). In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (s.a.w.) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:32).

[sixfeetunder]

All grand scholars of the Imami Shia are in agreement that the Quran which is at present among the Muslims is the very same Quran that was sent down to the Holy Prophet, and that it has not been altered. Nothing has been added to it, and nothing is missing from it. The Quran which was compiled by Imam Ali (excluding the commentaries) and the Quran that is in the hand of people today, are identical in terms of words and sentences. No word, verse, chapter is missing. The only difference is that the current Quran (collected by the companions) is not in the order that was revealed.

The completeness of Quran is so indisputable among Shia that the great Shia
scholar, Abu Ja'far Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Husain Ibn Babwayh, known as
"Shaikh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote:

"Our belief is that the Quran which Allah revealed to His Prophet
Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn).
And it is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not
greater in extent than that. The number of Surahs as generally
accepted is one hundred and fourteen...And he who asserts that we say
that it is greater in extent than that, is a liar."

Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaikh
Saduq, English version, p77.

It should be noted that Shaikh Saduq (RA) was the greatest scholars of
Hadith among the Imami Shia and was given the name of Shaikh al-Muhaddithin
(i.e., the most eminent of the scholars of Hadith). And since he wrote the
above in a book with the name of "The beliefs of the Imami Shia," it is
quite impossible that there could be any authentic Hadith in contrary to
it. It is noteworthy that Shaikh Saduq lived at the time of minor
occultation of Imam Mahdi (AS) and he is one of the earliest Shia scholars.
He had the honor that he was born with the prayer of Imam Mahdi (AS).

For a more detailed discussion of completeness of Quran as well as the
opinion of the Shia, interested readers may look at "al-Bayan," by Abul
Qasim al-Khoei, pp 214-278.

Some ignorant opponents of the Shia mentioned that we apply al-Taqiyya
(dissimulation) and we do not release our actual belief on Quran. These
people never tried to understand that Taqiyya is for the time when my life
or the life of the other fellow is in danger. There is no need to conceal
my belief here since I am not under prosecution. The above article is
witness to what I say. Taqiyya is not a good excuse for these people in
front of Allah to disregard what Shia present. They have liberty to check
the traditions which we have mentioned in different articles, or they can
else ask their "honest" scholars to do that.

Source: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/4.html

[sixfeetunder]

Now shias are accusing great man and Amir ul Moumeen of whole Umma of deception!!!
They are great at inventing lies. When their line of Imam goes kaput they invent things like going in hiding and fairy tales. Talking to tyrants by Ilham etc.

Wasalaam

Greatness of Ali (a.s) lies in the fact that he concealed his own copy of the Qur'an. This is testified by Sunni sources as well. Don't you know that the Christians have several versions of The Bible and hence hundreds of minor sects, each differing with the other? Imagine two versions of the Qur'an coming out to the public. Further chaos and further splits. Ali (a.s) always advocated unity of Ummah. One Muslim Ummah. One brotherhood.

[sixfeetunder]

Wow!! Fantastic fairy tales compiled by the idol worshippers of Hazrat Ali. Imagine the power of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman!! They managed to hide their names from the Quran. Allah himself couldn't reveal their names as hypocrites. Too bad Abu Lahab failed at what they succeeded.

Their names could have been in the exegesis. Abu Lahab's name is mentioned in the Qur'an. There is a difference. The Qur'an anyway, mentions only Abu Lahab and Zayd ibn Haritha by name, from among the companions/enemies. These two names are also for a specific purpose. If you are going to argue about why Allah didn't reveal names of hypocrites directly in the Qur'an, there could be many reasons. Going by the same argument, one can say that just about anything! Why didnt Allah reveal the names of all caliphs and mode of appointment? Why didn't Allah reveal names of all Imams? Names of all liars? The list goes on.

[Hussain_KSA]

Porus,

You were always balanced in your writing but it seems that water has crossed the level.

Thank you for your input, brother Husain_KSA,

As a Muslim, what would be your 'balanced' response to people who call themselves Muslims and insist on calling a mere human a God and perform sajda to him? And what would your 'balanced' response be to a person who calls himself Ilah and allows others to do sajda to him?

As a Muslim, I am sure you are aware that Quran does not compromise on this issue at all.

Brother Porus, I can understand. Being close to families of Dr. Zahid Ali and Hamdanis I have gone through the arabic version of Syedna Qadi Noman's books as well as different Tafaseer of Quran.

On "Sajda" matter I agree with you and I wont compromose on this issue too.