Question on imam!?

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Beirutscholar
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Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Beirutscholar » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:05 pm

Was Imam Amir Related to Al-Afdal Shahanshah?
who was his mother?

Sajid Zafar
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:43 pm

Mustali was married to the daughter of Badere Jamli. So the Al-Afdal was the brother of Mustali's wife. Al-Afdal was the Mamajee of Al-Amir. Badere Jamali was the Vazeer of Mustansir. He forced Mustanisr to change his successor for immate (Nizar was originally nominated for immat after Mustansir) as wanted his son-in-law to become the next imam. This is how two Ismailis divided again into "Mustalians" (present day Bohras) & "Nizarian" (present day Agakhanis).

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:49 pm

this question had been bothering me since long. now knowing this important piece of information, i can sleep easily tonight for the first time in decades.

THANKS!!

murtaza2152
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by murtaza2152 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:17 pm

Sajid Zafar wrote:Mustali was married to the daughter of Badere Jamli. So the Al-Afdal was the brother of Mustali's wife. Al-Afdal was the Mamajee of Al-Amir. Badere Jamali was the Vazeer of Mustansir. He forced Mustanisr to change his successor for immate (Nizar was originally nominated for immat after Mustansir) as wanted his son-in-law to become the next imam. This is how two Ismailis divided again into "Mustalians" (present day Bohras) & "Nizarian" (present day Agakhanis).
@Sajid,
You must be knowing Imam is selected or appointed by Gods permission, and Imam is Imam from birth,
so how can one force Imam Mustansir to appoint Imam Musta'ali.......
your info is irrelavent,
or quote your sources.......

Muslim First
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:56 pm

Differences in belief between Bohras and Nizaris
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... opic&t=698

Sajid Zafar
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:00 am

This is the historical account not the religious account. What we believe has no bearing how events unfolded during that period of time.

murtaza2152
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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by murtaza2152 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:29 am

Sajid Zafar wrote:This is the historical account not the religious account. What we believe has no bearing how events unfolded during that period of time.
Oh........Ok we believe you,
quote the refrences.......
I think you are speaking Nizari Aga khanis words,from their books.........

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Re: Question on imam!?

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:45 am

I don't care what Agakhani source mention (probably your reference is towards Farhad Daftary's Ismaili History).
Following are the independent sources which states same account of events:

1. The First Crusaders 1095-1131 by Jonathan Riley Smith
2. The Succession to the Fatimid Imam al-Āmir, the Claims of the Later Fatimids to the Imamate, and the Rise of Tayyibi Ismailism by S. M. Stern