NASS CONFERRED

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Aymelek
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NASS CONFERRED

#1

Unread post by Aymelek » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:07 am

This is the email received by bohras worldwide....

FROM: DBNet Admin (JSY)

To: dbnet@mumineen.org

Salaam-e-Jameel,

Bushra!! Aqamoula (TUS) na mizaaj mubarak par tamakkun che... Huzurala
TUS conferred Nass Mubarak on Shz Ali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin
last night in London.

Khuda Taala Maulanal Minaam Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Aqa TUS ni Umr
Shareef ne daraz kare. Ameen
________________________________________________________________

I guess this should be official..can anybody confirm.



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#2

Unread post by aqs » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:58 am

People have received SMS from Ejamaat mumbai regarding the same, so i think it looks confirm



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#3

Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:51 am

This is confirmed news. Nass has been declare upon Mufaddal Bhai Saheb. Syedna's health is not in order Prayers are requested.



Aleem
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#4

Unread post by Aleem » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:06 am

http://f_januwala.tripod.com/id2.html



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Naam Khidmat Kaam Fitnat




I recieved this email yesterday. It details the power structure of the Shezadas who was controling Dawat and creating a wall between and Haq and Batil


Badrul Jamali (BJ for short) and his family are now controlling the administration of Dawat! They can beat up mumineen they dont like (Mansoor / Shabbir Yamani in Surat) and do fitnat against Mazoon Sahib all the time and get away with it! First Question is why? Why do they do that? Its obvious to most intelligent mumineen that they do it for worldly reasons. To get more power and to keep that power all the time. The reason I Say THEY is that its not just Badrul Jamali alone. His brothers, sisters and his whole family are with him. They are all supporting and helping his evil activities enjoying material benefits for themselves.

But the second question is even more serious. Why are Aqa Moulas (TUS) Shehzadas aligning themselves with him, especially Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, whom I respected quite a bit before it became very clear to me that he is supportive of all of BJs activities. Shezada Sahebs wife is Badrul Jamalis sister, so BJ is always protected no matter how much he terrorizes mumineen. We are at a time in the history of Dawat when a big fitnat is being planned right under our noses. One could hardly imagine that people in high places could act harmfully towards Dawat. Today, many mumineen are beginning to discover just that.

Badrul Jamali and associates are using Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb to practice their evil activities, oppress mumineen and instill fear in mumineens hearts. On the other hand, they do propaganda of displaying Shezada Sahib as the chosen one. The fact that Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb relies on such people like Badrul Jamali and Mohammad Hasan of Cairo speaks a lot about Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisahebs own character. Instead of learning from Aqa Moula TUS, this Shehzada seems to have received his training from his Sasra - Yusuf Bhaisaheb Najmuddin the Father of BJ.



It was obvious that when Aqa Moula TUS made young Khuzema Bhaisaheb Mazoon-e-Dawar, old Yusuf Bhaisaheb was very upset. Everybody knew that. Now BJ and associates want us to believe Yusuf Bhaisaheb is some kind of a saint! Yusuf Bhaisaheb infact is the one who has sown these evil seeds in Saify Mahal and Kothar and Jamea and corrupted their minds. They have chosen Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb as their Leader, and are openly saying they will not accept anything else. Otherwise why this opposition and Muqaabla of Mazoon Saheb? Why this open Challenge to Aqa Moula TUS? They are not willing to even accept Mazoon as Mazoon as we learn from Taizoon Bhaisaheb (http://www.zahirbatin.com) who revealed their beliefs to the community. The general mumineen think this is an internal family fued. FAR FROM IT. This cult attacks our Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin TUS with their shameful activities and atrocities on mumineen. To stand on the side and let this cult impose themselves on us mumineen is more shameful.



Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims! Is it not true that Imam-uz-Zamans presence in Satr is by these 3 Rutbas-Dai, his zayre dast Mazoon and Mukasir. Then what compels Mohammed Hasan to say this? Why does he talk against Mazoon and Mukasir and drives the propaganda machine for Shehzada saheb through his cronies in Misr? To say that to call Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Moula is OK, but to call Mazoon Saheb Moula is a gunah? Mazoon Sahib was appointed in that Rutba by Aqa Moula TUS since he is worthy of it, and on the other hand, Shezada Saheb needs to be propped up by this propaganda machine of Aamils, Jamea and Tanzeem etc, all of whom are obviously dependant on this group and their leader for their well being.



When Shezada. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb started pressuring mumineen to do Vajebaat 2 times more, 3 times more, and some even 10 times more this year in Ramadan, this group supported the idea no matter how absurd it was. Low-income mumineen were pressured to give Vajebaat of amounts that constituted 50% of their years income or their safai chithi was refused! Aamils and Khidmat Guzars were made to pay extreme amounts than their last years Vajebaat, and all those who did not have the money were given loans. Vajebaat means what is Vajeb on what you have, so if you have to take a loan, then you never had it in the first place! And where will these so called Khidmat Guzars get the money from? Obviously from the community. I cant wait to see what happens next year! Double again?



Aqa Moula TUS has never said to give Vajebaat by taking loan. Then who runs this parallel show? Everyone knows it is Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. They dont care about the poor mumineen in our community, for I know for a fact how the money is distributed amongst their loved ones. Zohra baisaheb, the wife of Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb gives her hand to men to do Salaam and they kiss it!! Since when does she have Mehram with so many men, or is she trying to fill the vacuum left by beloved Busaheba?



Seems like Badrul Jamali and group have already proclaimed their own leader and do not want to wait for Aqa Moula TUS. True Ikhlaas would be to do doa for Aqa Moulas TUS Long life till Qiyamat and Zuhur of Imam on Moulas hand, not by self proclamation! This tasawwur of Ikhlaas was given by none other than Mazoon Saheb to one of my friends.



Mukasir Saheb made it very clear in one of his Sabaqs in Mumbai recently when he said that the Rutba and Rutba na Sahib, meaning the person in the Rutba are the same. He totally negated the fundamental lie of Zahir-Batin propagated by this Nifaaqi group and said that only Dushmans of Dawat would propagate such a this Tasawwur. He said much more and clarified that to NOT believe in any one of the Rutba na Saheb is Nifaaq.



BJ and associates tried to beat up Taizoon Bhaisaheb by sending members of Burhani Gaurds and Ezzi family members, who are all hardcore supporters of Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb. If you read his website www.zahirbatin.com, he describes the horror he faced in detail, Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should never have talked ill of Mazoon Moula to Taizoon Bhaisaheb. The fact that these people resort to violence and call violence Mohabbat nu Josh speaks a lot about them.



Then we have this great lawyer, Mustafa AbdulHussain in London, who writes on Dbnet and mumineen.org that Taizoon bhaisaheb's exposing of this Nifaaqi ZahirBatin belief in this manner of putting it up on the website and sending CDs to people is questionable! He says that Taizoon's claim that he had to resort to these means because he could not do Araz to Aqa Moula TUS means that he (taizoon) believes that the Dai is unaware of the situation, if the situation exists, and that if we believe that the Dai can be unaware, then we believe that the Dai is not infallible (infallible means Masoom/Ismat). This is the weakest belief one can have. The Dai is aware of everything the almighty makes him aware of and sees by the light of Allah and Imam, but also lets some things be as they are for Hikmat purposes. There are many examples of that. For example see what Januwala has on his website: http://f_januwala.tripod.com/



Moula Ali AS cut the hands of a man who was actually not guilty of committing that crime, so do we say he is not infallible! Mr. Mustafa the lawyer may have a degree in law, but he does not have 10 cents worth of knowledge regarding Dawat Ilm. I am sorry to say this, but calling Taizoon a reformist as Mustafa Abdul Husain has done, is committing a big SIN as he has called a mumin a munafiq and by doing so, as per bayan of Syedna Hatim RA in Kitab Tambih al Gafeleen, he, Mustafa, himself is now a munafiq unless he repents!! Of course there is pressure on the Dai and as seen in History, Rasulullah SAW went to do battle of Ohud outside Madina due to pressure from others, when actually Rasulullah's SAW opinion and decision was to fight by staying in Madina. So yes, these things are possible and can happen as per Hikmat. Aqa Moula TUS took the name of Mukasir in this Gadir Misaaq and said it is Syedi Saleh bhaisaheb Safiuddin. Everyone knows this and most understand that it can happen. The Human factor is there, but the Dai is greater than Malaikat because he does what he does even being in this Human Body, where else even Malaikat have faltered after being totally spiritual (as per bayan in Adam Nabi history). The Dai is infallible, yes, and the true meaning is that he will never pass away without conferring Nass on his Mansoos. Moula Burhanuddin TUS will never pass away without conferring Nass, but I do doa that may Allah grant Aqa Moula TUS his wish that Imam does Zuhur on his hands.



What next everyone wonders? Now that this cult is spreading lies about Mazoon Moula and speaking openly against the Qasam we take in Misaq, are we just going to sit and do nothing? The best way to show them that they cannot move mumineen from the right path to their evil motives (see picture no.1 which is attached to this document) is to show our love for our Aqa Moula TUS and his Mazoon and Mukasir whenever the opportunity arises. We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil. Our misaaq is not to the Shehzada or Royal Family or Aamil or who has the power. That is not what takes us to heaven. It is the belief in Aqa Moula TUS and what he tells us to believe in- his Mazoon and Mukasir. Everything else is irrelevant. Dont let Badrul Jamali and his group fool you even if they have the backing of the high and mighty Shehzadas. Lets be truthful to ourselves and keep our faith and not let the Shaitaan steal it, like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it. To speak against Rutba na Sahebs is like doing the work of Shaitaan. The Rutbas and everything else is Aqa Moulas TUS responsibility, lets not do the sin by trying to take that responsibility from Moula TUS. May Allah give Moula TUS life till Qiyamat.

Ameen

Mamluk-e-Syedna TUS

Mumin Mukhlis-Khidmat Guzar

I am from Royal Family-Saify Mahal-Have taken Sabaq from Mukasir - e - Dawat, who has always given Haq ni Tasawwur. May Allah give him Jazaa - e - Khair.










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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As you see in this letter there is a lot of evil in the midst of Dawat and in fact Jamea is where lies are being taught and then being taught by evil amils around the world. You see the corruption and stealing of Dawat's money by evil people in the Kothar, the Amils and also some Bhaisahibs, but the real crime is the evil they do against Aqa Mola TUS and his rutbas of Mazoon and Mukasir.

Just a few days ago they gave information to the Egyptian papers that Shezada Muffadal bhaisahib is the "Vali Ahad" (the mansoos) of Aqa Moula TUS. Not only are they spreading their own lies in Jamea and through the Amils but now they lie openly and spread this to the public at large.

You can read it for your self at this is the link to the Eygptian Paper El Akhbar (in arabic).

http://www.elakhbar.org.eg/issues/16552/0701.html



These shezadas and kothar people are getting more blatant about their lies and are now challenging Aqa Mola TUS and Dawat Hadiyah's constitution directly by claiming Shezada Muffadal bhaisahib as the mansoos. Very soon there will be another Shezada making his claims to be the mansoos. How can we accept this. As Aqa Mola TUS has repeadtedly done bayaan in vaaz that only the Dai can and will appoint the next Dai and will do it when he wants to. The shezada and kothar think they can change that.. Never.

This Jamea letter and Article in the Egyptian paper is just one more warning for us after what happened in Africa against Mazoon Sahib and their continued scheming against Aqa Mola TUS by attacking his Mazoon and Mukasir.

Please see the rest of my site and you will see the Hebatullah Fitnat and the Zahir Batin episode with Taizoon bhaisahib. I have tried to show how all these evil kothar and bhaisahibs are scheming against our beloved Aqa Mola TUS.

Abde Syedna Mohammed Burhannuddin TUS

Fazal Januwala



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#5

Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:16 am

As recieved by Email from trustworthy source:

Shz Malikul Ashter bhaisaheb Shujauddin DM ye, magrib ni namaaz baad Aqamoula (tus) na haq ma doa saath aapna waris ane mansooos na haq ma bhi doa farmawee. Houston ma ashara ni umeed karta howa aim farmawoo ke be we Moula hazir hoye ane apne khidmat karye. Isha ni namaz baad mansoos alaihe na haq ma doa ane tawassul ni namaz parhawee. Namaz baad aim farmawoo ke bewe moula no wasilo laee ne doa karo.

Burhanuddin Moula na waaste dua karso tu aapna mansoos Moula Mufaddal khush thaase. Ane Moula Mufaddal waaste dua karso to Burhanuddin Moula khush thaase.

“Usalli salaatas salawate waddua e le mansoose dail ajal syedna Mohammed Burhanudddin tus Syedi Mufaddal bs Saifuddin tus wat tawassule behi rak a taine lillah.” Shz Malik bs ye aa misal niyyat lidi.

May Allah grant long and healthy life ta qayamat to our beloved Aqamoula Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS).



A.S.T.U



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#6

Unread post by porus » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:29 am

It is clear now that all the talk on this board about nass having been already conferred in private was just speculation. Mufaddal bhai saheb will be the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq.

It is fortunate for the Bohras that nass will not be subject to controversy suggesting doubt about its authenticity.

It appears that Sayedna now senses that he approaching the end of his life and the moment was ripe to announce the nass. Why he waited so long may still be raise some controversial discussion.

May Allah make Sayedna's final days comfortable and peaceful.



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#7

Unread post by porus » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:34 am

Aleem wrote:http://f_januwala.tripod.com/id2.html

Previously discussed on this board a long time ago. A long time ago, indeed!

"History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and present"

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... ali#p22710


However, it is still more instructive to click Aleem's link above to get an updated viewpoint.



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#8

Unread post by Muslim » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:59 am

Confirmed on mumineen.org as well. Nass within the family i think is not really good news for reform movement, not alot will change, probably get worse. Reason to be pessimistic.



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#9

Unread post by SBM » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:13 am

Where is AZ, we need to know what deep throat in Saifee Mahel is telling him?



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#10

Unread post by stranger » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:27 pm

Nope. .There is NO official Confirmation yet.



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#11

Unread post by Conscíous » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:14 pm

Does this mean, I have to make room for one more picture on the wall for Shzeeda Ali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin :| or should I change it with the older one :roll: ??
All this is so confusing :(



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#12

Unread post by Muslim » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:21 pm

Last night (Eve of 4th Rajab), on the Urs Mubarak of Syedna Nur Mohammed Nuruddin (RA), Huzurala (TUS) conferred Nass on Shz Ali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin TUS. He addressed the Shahzada Sahebs and said “Bismillahir Rahmannir Rahim. Mein Dawat na rutba ma Bhai Mufaddal ne qaim karuchu, mara baad”.

The witnesses to the Nass were Shz Idris bs Badruddin, Shz Qusai bs Vajihuddin, Shz Ammar bs Jamaluddin DM and Dr Moiz bs. The three Shz Saheb’s went to Bonham House and informed Shz Aali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal bs Saifuddin Saheb TUS. Then Shz Aali Qadr TUS and Shz Qaidjoher bs Ezzuddin DM went to the hospital.

They presented sherbet to Huzurala TUS.

Huzurala TUS instructed Shz Sahebs to inform Mumineen all over the world about his successor (Mansus).

Today, Shz Qaidjoher bs will lead the majlis in London and convey Huzurala TUS message to all Mumineen.

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/06/05/b ... uddin-tus/



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#13

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:02 pm

The edge of the seat suspense seems to be finally over but there still remains a question as to why the dai didnt make a public announcement and why was the news passed over to bohras thru the zaadas and not directly by the dai.

Needless to say that this is the most sensitive issue for bohras worldwide and already bohras have seen a lot of internal rivalry to grab the most coveted and lucrative post. It is understandable that the the dai is sick and bed ridden but with all the latest technologies available it wouldnt have been any problem to arrange a direct live telecast to various jamaats worldwide, as it is the TV sets used during muharrum vayez are lying idle and catching dust in respective Masjids. Taking into account his fragile health, the dai could have made a short and sweet announcement but this was avoided.... WHY ?? Even the mazun and mukasir were not present when such an important announcement was made. Probably a deal was clinched between Mufaddalbhai saab and Qaid Zohar (the other prominent rival) in the absence of the third contender, mazunsaab. There are a lot of other unanswered questions which may surface in future.



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#14

Unread post by Safiuddin » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:59 pm

My guess is that the nass came from internal rivalry, not from Burhanuddin. It was pointed out here
that they could have televised a brief nass video, and Khozem could have come back from Jamnagar
to London, but all this was witnessed by 3 brothers and the doctor?

smells like sour milk to me.



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#15

Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:04 am

stranger wrote:Nope. .There is NO official Confirmation yet.
It is officially confirmed. The the malumaat.com http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/2444.html

One can see the old pictures showing Mufaddal bhai saheb and Syedna Saheb Togeather.



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#16

Unread post by stranger » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:17 am

Do you think that Aqa Moula ( TUS ) has really CONFERRED the nass ?
There could be live a short audio or short video from sydena and suppose if its declared really and he said to inform mumineen about it, then why there is No announcement all over the world simultaneously ?
In few cities, aamils has agreed to this and in few cities, they are silent or No confirmation ?
If its authentic, then there can't be be this type of dilemma, on this sensitive issue.



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Unread post by profastian » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:22 am

stranger wrote:Do you think that Aqa Moula ( TUS ) has really CONFERRED the nass ?
There could be live a short audio or short video from sydena and suppose if its declared really and he said to inform mumineen about it, then why there is No announcement all over the world simultaneously ?
In few cities, aamils has agreed to this and in few cities, they are silent or No confirmation ?
If its authentic, then there can't be be this type of dilemma, on this sensitive issue.
What kind of dilemma? Everything is clear cut. Nass has been conferred according to the tradition of the Dawat in the presence of 3 shahids as required.
As for Maula's bayan, I think that would come in due time.



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Unread post by stranger » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:24 am

Hussain_KSA wrote: It is officially confirmed. The the malumaat.com http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/2444.html
One can see the old pictures showing Mufaddal bhai saheb and Syedna Saheb Togeather.
This All is OK. . .But, It will be hard for me to believe. .untill moula (TUS) himself confirms this, in his next bayaan/majlis/wahaz, Inshallah. .



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Unread post by aqs » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:30 am

stranger wrote:
Hussain_KSA wrote: It is officially confirmed. The the malumaat.com http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/2444.html
One can see the old pictures showing Mufaddal bhai saheb and Syedna Saheb Togeather.
This All is OK. . .But, It will be hard for me to believe. .untill moula (TUS) himself confirms this, in his next bayaan/majlis/wahaz, Inshallah. .
why is it hard to believe? all the websites reporting akhbar of Moula are saying the same thing, almost all the aamils have done a majlis to announce the same, Malik BS who is in Houstan announced it same day, Let Moula(tus) recover and you will hear it also from himself, till that time keep your belief intact.

PM me ur email id and i will mail you bayan of same by Malikul Ashtar Bs



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Unread post by stranger » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:38 am

profastian wrote:
stranger wrote:Do you think that Aqa Moula ( TUS ) has really CONFERRED the nass ?
There could be live a short audio or short video from sydena and suppose if its declared really and he said to inform mumineen about it, then why there is No announcement all over the world simultaneously ?
In few cities, aamils has agreed to this and in few cities, they are silent or No confirmation ?
If its authentic, then there can't be be this type of dilemma, on this sensitive issue.
What kind of dilemma? Everything is clear cut. Nass has been conferred according to the tradition of the Dawat in the presence of 3 shahids as required.
As for Maula's bayan, I think that would come in due time.
Thats what i am waiting for, bro :-)



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Unread post by stranger » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:45 am

aqs wrote: why is it hard to believe? all the websites reporting akhbar of Moula are saying the same thing, almost all the aamils have done a majlis to announce the same, Malik BS who is in Houstan announced it same day, Let Moula(tus) recover and you will hear it also from himself, till that time keep your belief intact.

PM me ur email id and i will mail you bayan of same by Malikul Ashtar Bs


Mind wanders at times but anyway, you are very much right brother.

Sure. .I'll, shortly. .Thanks in advance.



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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:01 am

aqs

Since in the bohra faith DAI holds a very important office, the declaration of next DAI is a very sensitive issue. There were many occasions during this last few months when Sayedna saheb could have done nas directly to the people, occasions like Milad and ashara where almost all the bohra people could have witnessed it. But nas did not happen. If it had to happen couples of months later why not then. What changed in these few months.

Nas at this point of time in the presence of 4 people , out of which 3 are his children raises a lot of questions and doubts. Children of Dai need not be honest and good , son of prophet nuh(pbuh) is a example. How trustworthy are these 4, to confirm such a important issue. With all modern technology it is absolutely possible for sayedna to make this announcement to the bohras from whereever he is. Why was technology not used.

What i am raising is are some obvious questions which come to any ordinary mind who can think. I am sure there will be some audio/video on nas coming out soon or maybe in the next sermon from Sayedna he might confer this to everyone. Till then it is a mysterious question and something difficult to accept.



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Unread post by aqs » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:10 am

humble_servant_us wrote:aqs

Since in the bohra faith DAI holds a very important office, the declaration of next DAI is a very sensitive issue. There were many occasions during this last few months when Sayedna saheb could have done nas directly to the people, occasions like Milad and ashara where almost all the bohra people could have witnessed it. But nas did not happen. If it had to happen couples of months later why not then. What changed in these few months.

Nas at this point of time in the presence of 4 people , out of which 3 are his children raises a lot of questions and doubts. Children of Dai need not be honest and good , son of prophet nuh(pbuh) is a example. How trustworthy are these 4, to confirm such a important issue. With all modern technology it is absolutely possible for sayedna to make this announcement to the bohras from whereever he is. Why was technology not used.

What i am raising is are some obvious questions which come to any ordinary mind who can think. I am sure there will be some audio/video on nas coming out soon or maybe in the next sermon from Sayedna he might confer this to everyone. Till then it is a mysterious question and something difficult to accept.

humble_servant_us,

its Dai's prerogative that on whom he does nass, how he does, when he does, where he does and whom he keeps shaheed. No one can dictate terms on how and when he should have done this.

Every Prophet, Imam and Dai has his hudood and generally they are the one who are selected to be the shahid to nass so dont question the wisdom of Dai if you still believe in him.

Keep your mind in check and Imaan salamat.



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Unread post by stranger » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:04 am

BooM wrote:Does this mean, I have to make room for one more picture on the wall for Shzeeda Ali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin :| or should I change it with the older one :roll: ??
All this is so confusing :(
Munafiq, why You keep his picture in your room, when you don't believe & follow the Da'i . . you Hypocrite. :evil:



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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:45 am

aqs wrote:
stranger wrote: This All is OK. . .But, It will be hard for me to believe. .untill moula (TUS) himself confirms this, in his next bayaan/majlis/wahaz, Inshallah. .
why is it hard to believe? all the websites reporting akhbar of Moula are saying the same thing, almost all the aamils have done a majlis to announce the same, Malik BS who is in Houstan announced it same day, Let Moula(tus) recover and you will hear it also from himself, till that time keep your belief intact.

PM me ur email id and i will mail you bayan of same by Malikul Ashtar Bs
Bayan of Malik ul Ashtar is already qouted by me in same thread. Brother AQS you could have also quoted the same bayan over here if you had for the larger intrest of Mumineen. Why so secrecy?



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Unread post by aqs » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:24 am

Hussain_KSA wrote:Bayan of Malik ul Ashtar is already qouted by me in same thread. Brother AQS you could have also quoted the same bayan over here if you had for the larger intrest of Mumineen. Why so secrecy?
Husain Bhai,

No secrecy, some times people are apprehensive about revealing their identities or email ID's on a open forum that was the only reason.

Bayan is no secret and is being forwarded between Bohra circles through emails and sms.



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Unread post by porus » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:38 am

Controversy was bound to arise because of the circumstances leading to the announcement of nass. First, it was revealed that Sayedna has suffered a 'mild' stroke but is recovering. No further news about his condition or views of his doctors have been made public. Nor do we know where he has been taken since being discharged from hospital. Also, we do not officially know if he has been discharged unless I have missed the official news.

Stroke is a very serious condition and could result in paralysis of speech and other senses. God forbid this has happened to Sayedna. However, Sayedna should make an announcement publicly on camera as soon as he has sufficiently recovered to kill any lingering doubt. Otherwise this issue will not die and fester continually in the future.

Nass on Sayednna Muhammad Burhanuddin was made publicly by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin and I have personally heard him make it on several occasions which left no doubt on any one's mind.

Also, in no public announcement the role of the Imamuz Zamaan been mentioned. Nor has any significance been conferred on Mazzon and Mukasir who hold the highest rank in da'awat after the Dai.
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Unread post by profastian » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:40 am

porus wrote:Controversy was bound to arise because of the circumstances leading to the announcement of nass. First, it was revealed that Sayedna has suffered a 'mild' stroke but is recovering. No further news about his condition or views of his doctors have been made public. Nor do we know where he has been taken since being discharged from hospital. We do not officially know if he has been discharged unless I have missed the official news.

Stroke is a very serious condition and could result in paralysis of speech and other senses. God forbid this has happened to Sayedna. However, Sayedna should make an announcement publicly on camera as soon as he has sufficiently recovered to kill any lingering doubt. Otherwise this issue will not die and fester continually in the future.

Nass on Sayednna Muhammad Burhanuddin was made publicly by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin many times and I have personally heard him make it on several occasions which left no doubt on any one's mind.

Also, in no public announcement the role of the Imamuz Zamaan been mentioned. Nor has any significance been conferred on Mazzon and Mukasir who hold the highest rank in da'awat after the Dai.
Why the heck do your care?



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Unread post by labbaikyaHussain » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:24 am

porus wrote:Controversy was bound to arise because of the circumstances leading to the announcement of nass. First, it was revealed that Sayedna has suffered a 'mild' stroke but is recovering. No further news about his condition or views of his doctors have been made public. Nor do we know where he has been taken since being discharged from hospital. Also, we do not officially know if he has been discharged unless I have missed the official news.

Stroke is a very serious condition and could result in paralysis of speech and other senses. God forbid this has happened to Sayedna. However, Sayedna should make an announcement publicly on camera as soon as he has sufficiently recovered to kill any lingering doubt. Otherwise this issue will not die and fester continually in the future.

Nass on Sayednna Muhammad Burhanuddin was made publicly by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin and I have personally heard him make it on several occasions which left no doubt on any one's mind.

Also, in no public announcement the role of the Imamuz Zamaan been mentioned. Nor has any significance been conferred on Mazzon and Mukasir who hold the highest rank in da'awat after the Dai.

I dont see role of Imam uz zamaan in this whole event....syedna wants to live taa qayamat but unfortunately this is not possible in this practical world....so when there was no way out he chose one of his son for his sucession....so there is no point to even think Imam is playing roll in all this family issues.



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Unread post by Conscíous » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:34 am

stranger wrote:
BooM wrote:Does this mean, I have to make room for one more picture on the wall for Shzeeda Ali Qadr Syedi Mufaddal Bs Saifuddin :| or should I change it with the older one :roll: ??
All this is so confusing :(
Munafiq, why You keep his picture in your room, when you don't believe & follow the Da'i . . you Hypocrite. :evil:
I never said it was for my room & when does one have to believe & follow the Dai, to have his picture on the wall ?? It's only a piece of paper with colors, which you'll get ride off,,, eventually...
Unless your a hindu & believes there is some magically powers in those pictures??