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aziz
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whats happening

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Unread post by aziz » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:14 am

*Saudi's have decided not to sight the moon and follow the calendar.


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*18 Ramadhaan 1432 – 18 August 2011

**HILAAL DETERMINATIONS OF SAUDI ARABIA NOT VALID
IT IS HARAAM TO END RAMADHAAN ON THE BASIS OF THE PRONOUNCEMENTS OF SAUDI
ARABIA*
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*Saudi Arabia has abandoned the Shariah’s method of beginning and ending the
Islamic months. It no longer goes by the physical sighting (ROOYAH) of the
moon. It has forged its own calendar and decides Ramadhaan, Eid and the
Islamic months in accordance therewith, not according to the command of
Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).
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*TODAY IS THE 18TH RAMADHAAN. BUT SAUDI ARABIA HAS ALREADY DECIDED THAT EID
WILL BE ON TUESDAY 30TH AUGUST.*


**Ramadhaan time-tables which are distributed in Makkah Mukarramah and
Madinah Munawwara this year records Ramadhaan with 29 days.
In previous years, the cleaners at Musjidun Nabawi in Madinah, before
Maghrib informed those who were in I’tikaaf that they had to ‘pack up’ and
leave because it was already decided that ‘tomorrow’ would be Eid.
The following is an article written by Mufti Muhammad Yusuf Danka, Imaam of
Croydon Musjid, England:*

*EID IN RAMADHAAN?*
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**The Saudi government has created a calendar (Umm ul Qura) for establishing
the start of every new Islamic month, be it Ramadhan, Hajj or Eid. The basis
of this calendar is upon the ‘birth of the new moon’ and not viewing the
crescent moon with the naked eye (Ruyat Hilal) as is required by the Shariah
and Sunnah. Due to this, the Saudi announcement for the new Islamic month
occurs 1 day before the actual sighting of the new crescent moon. This has
been witnessed for many years now.*
*
This year (2011), the Umm ul Qura calendar has been published and they have
already written that Monday, 29th August 2011 will be the last fast of
Ramadhan. Tuesday, 30th August 2011 will be Eid ul Fitr. Even if there is no
sighting of the moon according to the requirements of Shariah (Ruyat Hilal)
in the Entire World.*
*
Many Masajids in the UK will this fact and follow the Saudi announcement on
the ‘birth of the new moon.*
*

They will perform Eid in Ramadhan and jeopardise a fast of Ramadhan due to
blindly following the Saudi announcement.
Sayidina Abu Hurairah (ra) relates: The Prophet (saw) stated: ‘The person
who leaves a fast of Ramadhan without a valid Shariah excuse (being ill or
on a journey), if he was to fast for his entire life, he cannot fulfil the
loss of that single day of Ramadhan he missed.’ (Jami Tirmidhi/ Masnad
Ahmad/ Sahih Bukhari)

The fast of Ramadhan is considered so great in Islam that if a person
purposefully breaks a fast, he has to perform 60 fasts continuously as a
retribution for this act. There is no other act of worship in which the
retribution is so severe. For example, if one Salah is made Kadha, only that
single Salah is to be performed.

We should be mindful of our Hereafter, of standing before Allah and
answering for our actions, of the loss in reward and Mercy that we are
gathering by following Saudi Arabias announcements blindly. Of course we
should be concerned about uniting the Ummah, but it should be for the Quran
and Sunnah and not be for political gains. This is a matter of worship and
safeguarding a basic and fundamental principle of Islam.

May Allah (swt) grant us the ability to unite upon the Truth and the
straight path and keep us firm on it, Ameen!

‘Birth of the moon’ is not the principle of the Shariah for the
determination of the beginning and ending of the Islamic months.

The Waajib principle is actual physical sighting. Those who follow the
pronouncements of Saudi Arabia will be indulging in the heinous major sin of
abstaining from a Fardh Saum (Fast) of Ramadhaan, and of observing ‘Eid’ in
Ramadhaan. Organizations which act in accordance with Saudi pronouncements
should be rejected. For the sake of some fictitious ‘unity’, the Law of
Allah Ta’ala is being rejected.
*

aziz
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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by aziz » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:06 am

wahabbis have also started shirk? not following the the holy moon ,this a a big big big sin ,next we will be told earth is square..

Muslim First
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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:23 pm

Aziz
wahabbis have also started shirk? not following the the holy moon ,this a a big big big sin ,next we will be told earth is square..
Correct
Wahabis have joined DBs and Shias in calculated Ramadan and Hujj

aziz
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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by aziz » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:28 pm

so all the harping in all the posts in which you have been defending the moon is suddenly wrong ,its good that you personally have realised your mistake ,and hopefully this will lead to a change in your fanatical attitude in other topics as well in which in future you will be proved wrong as well

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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:44 pm

Wahhabis have now taken misaq and given nadir rakaam to Maulana.

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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by revolution » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:39 am

anajmi wrote:Wahhabis have now taken misaq and given nadir rakaam to Maulana.
admit your sunni belief is a joke and we all are laughing at you.

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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:15 pm

I have debated calendar and moon with people who are far better than you will ever be. So debating with you will be brining myself a notch down. So I will spare myself the ordeal. The mosque that I go to has been following the calendar for over three years. Calendar/moon is not the problem. The problem is idiots like you on either side.

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Re: whats happening

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:27 pm

This is what published in today's Arab News English Daily.

JEDDAH: Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has called on Muslims in the Kingdom to look for the new moon of Shawwal on the evening of Monday, which is the 29th day of Ramadan (Aug. 29) and report the matter to the nearest court if any one sights the new moon either by the naked eye or with help of lenses.

The court directed that the lookers for moon join the committee for the purpose in each region.

The end of fasting and the day of Eid Al-Fitr are decided by the sighting of the Shawwal moon.

But astronomers, who differed on the start of the holy month of Ramadan based on astronomical calculations, are at it again. They are now debating whether Eid Al-Fitr, which marks the end of the fasting month, will fall on Tuesday or Wednesday. The controversy over the start of Ramadan is also driving the debate.

The Saudi Astronomical Society expects Ramadan to be 30 days this year and, if that is the case, it will end on Tuesday, Aug. 30, with the Eid falling on Wednesday, Aug. 31.

The society said the moon would not be sighted on the night of Monday, Ramadan 29 (Aug. 29) thus Eid would not be on Tuesday.

Chairman of the society Majed Abu Zahra said the moon, on Monday, Aug. 29, will set before sunset so no one would be able to sight the crescent. He explained that on that day, the moon would eclipse in all parts of the Kingdom before sunset by at least three to six minutes thus making it impossible to sight the crescent.

He said on the night of Tuesday, Aug. 30, the moon would be clearly seen without the help of telescopes thus indicating that the Eid would be next day, Wednesday Aug. 31.

Abu Zahra said there were two options before the Saudi authorities:

l To make Tuesday (Aug. 30) the first day of Eid with people fasting for 29 days according to astronomical calculations.

l To make Wednesday (Aug. 31) the first day of Eid as the moon would be seen by the naked eye on the night of Tuesday.