Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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accountability
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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by accountability » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:15 pm

I commend Muffadal Bhai saheb's comapassion. I may suggest a very simple way of aleviating bohra poverty. Administration may cut down its taxes in the name of wajebat and sabil to half, and people should be encouraged to help their needy brothers in faith with the saving. Morever wazeefa (stipend) of more than 600 members of royal family may be cut in half, and they should be encouraged to pursue other legitimate careers, so that they get used to earning their living by hard work. In this way gradually administration would not need these super taxes to fund royal family.
Even british royals are pursuing career jobs, and not totally dependent on state income.
Once the need to fund royal famly is over, our community may return to philathropy and compassion. I can guarantee that once Amils are made to live like ordinary lives, coercion and pressure would be thing of past.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Maqbool » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:01 am

I received this mail from a friend and putting it on this board. It explains technique of brainwashing!!

Subject: FW: Dabba ni rasam

Ranala ma aali kadr ye moula padhare ye niyat si makan banayu che kem ke yahan munafekeen no asar ghano che ,
7 mahina si ranala ma har roz 45 ghar ma dabba mokalva ma ave che, sagla mumenen ne ehna sabab ajab barakat che,
sagla no matam ma josh ane deeni shiar ni pabandi ekdam numaya che,
pehle ranala ma ek bairo bhi rida na pehne itni maskhari thati aje koi, rida bagair gaam ma nikle to gaam na bairoa ehna ghare jai ne ehne
kahe che ke tame rida na pehanta hoi to hamara gaam si chala jao.

Yahan ek varas si har roz rate fulkul husain 52 ban tilavat thai che ane matam 45 mins thai che har roz aa amal che
ane pachi sagla na gharo ma dabba pohanchava ma ave che, dabba leva bhi hame jaiye che ane pohanchava bhi mumenen nahi avta

Khuda aa misl ni aala niyat karnar ane moula na kalam ni kadr karnar haqqa kadrehi aali kadr ne afdaluljaza aapjo.

Mufaddal moula ye emm farmayu k ghana bairao jaman na pakawa na sabab potanu hunar si kaam karine thodu earning karse
ane jo kai nai kare to kam si kam NASRE WAL MAHABAT YA DUAO to parse!!!!

Su aalaa soch che ane kitnu paak khayal che aapnu, Khuda Aqa Moula ne aa shaan na farzand mubarak mohanna kare ane aapna saya
ma aapna mansus ne aabaad shaad rakhe, khuda bewe moula ne qayamat na din lag baqi rakhe jaman banawnaar no asar jaman ma aawe che (ehna waste takeed ke mumin te baad muslim no jamo)
Je waqt aa jaman maulanal mina'aam tus ni barakat che to aa jaman mumineen ma mohabbat ane ikhlaas ne ziyada karse inshallah
to accomplish such a honorable, azeem and beneficial feat today ,when moderneconomics talks of inflation at 9 to 10 percent or even more as an economic norm is a feat befit for malaekat , not humans.

Burhanuddin Aqa TUS ane aapna Mansoos Aali qadar Moula TUS , ni ek azeem hasanat Shehrullah na Aakhri daska ma hum mumineen upar enayat thai che.
Har ek Mumin na ghare ghar Jaman jasey. 1427 Na eid na Khutba ma Moula ye farmayu “koi ek mumin bhi bhuku na sui”
ye azeem kalemaat ni talaqqi Aali qadar moula tus ye ajab shaan si amal saadir farmayu.
Hindustan na 258 Ummal na gaamo , 63 Masool anil Moze , 336 Mamureen na gaamo ma dabba ni rasam shuru thaase.
Taha bs Saifuddin na tehet ek team sagla gaamo ma aa amal shuru karwa waste tamheed kari rhaya che.
Aali qadar Moula ye farmayu , “biji tarikh si dabbo shuru thai aj jai”

Ruhani Fawaed

1) Ehwa logo je bhuka sui jasey ehne Moula nu aa maedat naseeb thase.

2) Ghana gharo ma ekaj bhai rahe che ya azoorda che ya bewa bairo che je jaman pakawi sakta nahi ehni mashakil hal thase

3) Mumin je ne ghar ma fakat 2000-6000 ni income aawe che to saglu kharach jaman ma nikli jai , biju koi cheez waste kai raqam kharach ni
gunjaish chej nahi , ye sagla na umoor sahel thaase.

4) Dabba ma je jaman hoi ehni quality achi hoi , ghar jewu jaman paake.

5) Dabba ni barakat Aamil sahib and gaam na raeeso bhi talaqqi kare. Ane dabba ma sij jame.

6) Shuru zaroorat mand mumineen si thase magar eventually har ek mumin na ghar ne aa dabba ni barakat jai.

7) Dabba ni rasam zaroorat mand waste shuru nathi karwama aawi. Moula na kalemaat ne rooh banawi ne aa khair nu amal shuru thai che.
Agar zaroorat mand wastej hote to tamam Jamea na asatezah / Kothar Mubarak and Qasre aali na sahebo na ghar ma dabbo na jaate

8) Aa dabba na jaman na under barakat che , shifa che.

9) Aa dabba na jaman na under Burhanuddin aqa and aapna Mansoos ni dua ni barakat che.

10) Aa dabba na jaman na under Burhanuddin aqa na min sameem mil maal ni barakat che.

11) Aa dabba na jaman ni Barakat farzando ma pohchse ane ye maedat ni barakat si ehni tarbiyat thase.

12) Aa dabba na jaman ma jism ni sehat and tandurusti no nayaab hadyo che.

13) Aa dabba na jaman na sabab aa rizq na sabab logo na akhlaq ma numaya badlaw aawsey, tafadi no josh ziyada thase, arzaaq wasey thase.

Socio-Economic benefits

1) It is a socio economic upliftment in the most unique and revolutionary method.

2) The trouble to reach food to each and every home is a herculean task where no government or community has ever dreamt to venture in.

3) If food as a basic necessity is sufficed, livelihood is improved multifold.

4) Imagine Food being a recurring expense 3 times a day 365 days a year and never ceases to end.
The cost borne over food in india is as high as 33%.
If such costs are removed from ones daily expense the stress levels would reduce phenomenally and focus can shift over more productive activities.
5) This is a new level of upliftment altogether which the world will witness prosperity at its pinnacle.

6) A revolution unheard , unfathomable , inconceivable , in this era of complicated social needs.

Logistical working, production processes, equipment procurement, an effort de-centralised.
Each town having their unique sets of problems to be tackeled.
Ummal kiram , Leaders , raees & seniors should contribute with their wise suggestions to make this a success.
There can be more benefits , Please feel free to share your noble thoughts.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:36 am

Longtime back I have pridicted on this forum that Dawoodi Bohra community is leading on the lines of Agha khanis. One can compare, Madah with Ginan and now this Dabba with the practice of Aghakhani who make dabba and take it to thier jamat. Day is not far when Dai will do everything for the community member like, prayer, fasting and other things. The only duty of the community member will to pay the dai and his family.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:13 am

Hussain Bhai
Only difference now Aghakhanis are getting away from that practice, Now current Agha Khan has asked his followers to follow the main stream Islam which is now Salah and Soyum has been mandated. Many followers of current Agha Khan are not happy with this change, they want their Imam to do Namaz and Roza for them :lol:

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:58 am

omabharti wrote:Hussain Bhai

Only difference now Aghakhanis are getting away from that practice, Now current Agha Khan has asked his followers to follow the main stream Islam which is now Salah and Soyum has been mandated. Many followers of current Agha Khan are not happy with this change, they want their Imam to do Namaz and Roza for them
Khoja strain of Agakhanism is opposed to going back to Namaz-roza and despite Agakhan's intro. of Ismaili Namaz (and it has not been published on http://www.ismaili.net ). They think they have advanced from Shariat and now practicing true Batin Islam. Quran, Shunna, Namaaz, Roza, Hujj and facing Kaaba does not mean any thing to them. they do not care what their MHI does in his life. Their refrain is " Do not do what he does but do what he orders (Farmaans). Aga Khan is just happy collecting dasond and Zakat (12.5 %).

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Humsafar » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:45 am

To answer the question of this thread: No, reformists do not indulge in such gimmicks, nor do they insult the needy by publishing their photographs. In our established jamats like Udaipur, the UK, Aurangabad, Canada and other places we do a lot of charity work. In Udaipur we have medical clinics and schools which are almost free for those who cannot afford, there is a welfare society which helps the poor and needy with food and clothing and other daily needs. All this is done quietly but consistently and we never feel the need to advertise it to the world.
As for the free food fad of the "royal family", wherever the initiative has come from the money is not coming from the "royal family". Abdes are being asked to finance this, over and above what they already pay by way of wajebat and other "taxes". So yes it is a good thing, people helping people. What has the "royal family" got to do with it?

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Biradar » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:58 am

Actually, in all this noise there is one very simple point which is being missed. This scheme is essentially another way to make the community members totally dependent on the kothar and the so-called "royal family". They have already taken over the minds of the bohras, now they are taking over the bodies too. By asking every single person to utilize this "dabba" scheme they are essentially taking away the last remaining individuality from the bohras. Shame on the bohras for having surrendered their most precious possessions, their intellects, their individuality and their freedoms to these thugs. We now have a hive mind, that not only dresses the same, looks the same, but even depends for food on their masters. What a shameful situation.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:46 pm

Maqbool wrote:Aa dabba na jaman na under barakat che , shifa che.
Aa 'barkat' maate, bohra oye 'harkat' kidhi chhe, harkat=cash.
Maqbool wrote:when modern economics talks of inflation at 9 to 10 percent or even more as an economic norm is a feat befit for malaekat , not humans.
So by taking credit for this scheme, Burhanuddin saab wants to enlist himself in the category of 'malekats', he is already taking care of 'malekul maut' by way of ruku chithi, shortly we could hear that he has once again imposed upon himself a new title 'malaekat-ul-dai'.
Maqbool wrote:1427 Na eid na Khutba ma Moula ye farmayu “koi ek mumin bhi bhuku na sui”
He could ensure sound sleep for his abdes by doing away with forceful and exhorbitant wajebats instead of providing one meal a day.
Maqbool wrote: Ghana gharo ma ekaj bhai rahe che ya azoorda che ya bewa bairo che je jaman pakawi sakta nahi ehni mashakil hal thase
Ghana gharo ma ekaj bhai kamai chhe, bewa bairo ni koi income nathi, emne exhorbitant wajebat thi chhutkaro aapo to beeja badha problem solve thai jaase.
Maqbool wrote:Dabba ni barakat Aamil sahib and gaam na raeeso bhi talaqqi kare. Ane dabba ma sij jame.
'Practice before you preach'......... let the zaadas/zaadis start by eating daily from the dabbas only.
Maqbool wrote:Aa dabba na jaman ma jism ni sehat and tandurusti no nayaab hadyo che.
Sell the 'Patent' to some multinational healthcare company, they will pay you in millions.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:28 am

Good observation GM.
I would like to clarify that this is not written by me. It t\is received by mail form a dabba mumenin and I have posted here to show how dumb this abdes are.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:39 am

this food service will be written in history,this is a miracle in history were food is supplied to each and every house,that to most hygenic and in best quality in bare minimum price.

people with jeolousy will die this time.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by Smart » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:05 am

^
Does this mean that the food is poisoned and will act selectively only on jealous people?

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:29 am

Smart wrote:^
Does this mean that the food is poisoned and will act selectively only on jealous people?
yes i can see it is already working as a poison on munafiqs.


food from the house of ahlul bayt is not for munafiqun,and i can already witness this on PDB forum.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:53 am

Some comments

Have abdes realized that trying to spell dawat zaban in English is still incomprehensible

Maqbool you bring to attention that Mufadal is going to change evolutionary science that nature has built over millions of years, mankind does not need to seek food, food will be delivered. Wow what a moment to be part of, abdes are witnessesing a once in a million year event.

Even the famine stricken people are driven to camps in despair.

But abdes who may be very able can receive home deliver, fully nutritious weight loss measured meals when they come from their dukan

Now that they have saved the expense and time preparing meals what will they do with the spate time and money

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by aflatoon » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:01 am

nothing in the DB community is offered free just wait and watch this is all a farce the truth will come out sooner or later. When tea was first introduced in India the Englishmen offered it free the rest you all know it better just wait for two months then you will be asked to shell out
something for the whims and fancies of Muffadal bhaisab.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by LFT » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:07 pm

As I hear, its not free. Being asked to pay regardless of whether you want the food or not.. I think its a great scheme to buy in more female support. Works like a charm. In most households, women do most (if not all) of the cooking. They love Ramadhan etc. as well as they dont have to cook for a month. Now, this can extend for the whole year.

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:45 pm

even if rasullullah was present in this era people like abu lahab(munafiq) would stand against him.

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Re: Can progressive offer free food Service to their people?

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Unread post by fearAllah » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:01 am

The Aga khanis also say the same thing in defense of their Moula/Imam and they are 18 million in number

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Unread post by fearAllah » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:02 am

Ala maqaam wrote:even if rasullullah was present in this era people like abu lahab(munafiq) would stand against him.
The Aga khanis also say the same thing in defense of their Moula/Imam and they are 18 million in number

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:03 pm

Ala maqaam wrote:even if rasullullah was present in this era people like abu lahab(munafiq) would stand against him.
Actually it is foolish to even compare the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) with a person like the current dai. And as per your statement, the abu lahabs (Modi, Thackerey, Advani) are present even today, the only difference is that the dai has a deep bond of friendship with them instead of they being against him.