Orthos perform namaz under reformist imam

[Reporter]

Today the Shabab people (orthodox) performed Zohr/Asr namaaz in the reformist (Vajeepura) masjid under a reformist Imam. And look, the sky did not fall!!!
Are these abdes defying the dai? Very unlikely. Looks like the wiley Kohtar is up to something. They tried every possible means in the last 40 years to take over the masjids from refomrist control but failed. They are trying a new tactic now, throwing the sacred "raza" out the window. Watch this space.

[Reporter]

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[Reporter]

Here is a report from Udaipur times:
http://www.udaipurtimes.com/bohra-confl ... er-mosque/


Look at this picture: The orthos are doing matam while the reformists (in front) are praying. This is their favourite tactic to create disturbance.

[anajmi]

Reminds me of an incident 14centuries ago when iman hussain wasn't allowed to complete hi sajda. Idol wors hippers creating problems for the worshippers of !Allah. Reminds me of the Hindus performing artii at namaz time to disrupt it.

[Ala maqaam]

Reminds me of an incident 14centuries ago when iman hussain wasn't allowed to complete hi sajda. Idol wors hippers creating problems for the worshippers of !Allah. Reminds me of the Hindus performing artii at namaz time to disrupt it.

if hussain would not shed his blood for ISLAM you would be playing with monkeys and dog in masjid,same way your khalifa muawiyah and yazid use to do.

so keep your stupid analogy by ur self.

[SBM]

Look at this picture: The orthos are doing matam while the reformists (in front) are praying.

That proves Namaz is more important than Maatam for any Muslim

[Ala maqaam]

reporter thanx for reporting

I think now these progs are in big soup,their days are over in udaipur.some major action is on the way.

[SBM]

AM
or looking at the picture the Ortho are following the Progressives as they are behind Progressives and not leading the Progressives

[anajmi]

Hussain shed his blood in sajda. His enemies prevented him from completing his salaah. Those who prevent others from completing their salaah, deserve Allah's curses. Just look at the shameless bearded orthos disrupting the sajda to Allah almighty. This is what their Dai has taught them.

[Doctor]

Shabab group lied to police that they will offer namaz under Imamat of Bohra Youth (pesh) Imam.

Shame on Shabab leaders who promote their followers to speak and use lies!

[canadian]

"Shame on Shabab leaders who promote their followers to speak and use lies!"

"Muslims" throw bombs in masjids; "Muslims" kill innocent people in masjids, so what's new if these abdes go to create trouble and fights in a masjid?

[anajmi]

candian,

Well, I guess as per canadian logic, being a smaller criminal is ok as long as you have bigger criminals around.

[canadian]

anajmi:

Sorry, I did not mean to minimise the incident. What I really meant to say was that we majority of muslims will again keep silent because this problem was in a small community.

[anajmi]

I am not sure why we keep insisting on a majority voicing their opinion. A majority on this forum has already expressed outrage on this shameless abde performance. There is a separate reformist community because a lot of people objected to this sort of behaviour in the first place.

[Muslim First]

"Shame on Shabab leaders who promote their followers to speak and use lies!"

"Muslims" throw bombs in masjids; "Muslim"Muslims" throw bombs in masjids; "Muslims" kill innocent people in masjids, so what's new if these abdes go to create trouble and fights in a masjid?s" kill innocent people in masjids, so what's new if these abdes go to create trouble and fights in a masjid?

Muslim do not throw Bombs in Masjid, Zahils do. "Zahils" kill innocent people in masjids,
so what's new if these abdes go to create trouble and fights in a masjid?
Abdes are suppose to be "Momeen",Zahil and non Zahils are Musalman,
This is Bohra forum and you should focus on it. Muslims can be discussed in proper place.
Prayer is communication with the maker and I believe we should leave Devotee to do what they want in peace and quite. All DBs should be ashamed of it. Imam Hussain should be rolling in his grave.

[Ala maqaam]

"Shame on Shabab leaders who promote their followers to speak and use lies!"

"Muslims" throw bombs in masjids; "Muslims" kill innocent people in masjids, so what's new if these abdes go to create trouble and fights in a masjid?

correction,there was no fight in the mosque.

masjid belongs to bohras.so they can offcourse pray and do matam in mosque.

[Muslim First]

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masjid belongs to bohras.so they can offcourse pray and do matam in mosque.

True Masjid belongs to Allah and his worshippers. Purpose of Masjid is to go and worship Allah SWT. If any other activity happens in Masjid including Maatam then it is not Masjid. It is a Markaz or Jamatkhana.

It is apperent, troublemakers went to creat trouble and did phony Maatam to disturb and debase other peoples Prayers.

[anajmi]

Activities other than namaz can happen in a masjid, but any activity that is performed for the sake of disrupting a musallee's salah is the act of satan. The reason for this abde maatam was to disrupt salaah and hence these abdes are the shayateen.

[Humsafar]

This shameless behaviour of abdes is one more example of their utter disregard not only for basic Islamic tenets but also for basic human decency. It shows that they have no respect for namaz and its sanctity. It doesn't seem to occur to them that what they are doing is wrong on so many levels. They just do what they have been told to do. This act of doing matam while reformists are praying is not new, the abdes (especially their women) have been doing it for long at the Moyyiadpura masjid. It's a good thing that this is now captured in a photo - now the world can see how despicable and disgusting these abdes can be.

[Ala maqaam]

Activities other than namaz can happen in a masjid, but any activity that is performed for the sake of disrupting a musallee's salah is the act of satan. The reason for this abde maatam was to disrupt salaah and hence these abdes are the shayateen.

who are those who kills musallee salah in masjid?

[anajmi]

They are shayateen too. Anyone who disrupts a musallee's salah is a part of the shayateen.

[Al Zulfiqar]

what the large majority of bohras do not understand is the real intention behind this exercise of purjosh maatam by one section of abdes beating themselves into pulp, while devout bohras pray and do sajda to allah.

the actual underlying intention of the DEH (dawat e hadiyah) is to demonstrate that maatam-e-hussain is superior in intent and obesiance than the lowly ritual of namaaz. while namaaz can be prayed by any 2-bit muslim of any color, hue and belief, only a true momeen can engage in self-flagellation and torture in the name of hussein. this automatically elevates the true chest-beating momeen into the realm of farishtas, over and above the mundane namaazi muslim who can be found a dime-a-dozen.

this is also a gradual but determined progression towards abolition of namaaz and institution of maatam instead. bohras now can very well sit or stand on their masallahs and hammer themselves silly at the time of namaaz, there will be no need to pray, maatam being a much more spiritual connection with allah than the usual ruku/sujud routine. the DEH felt that udaipur would be an ideal location to institute this ground breaking custom because that is where all the revolutionary ideas begin.

in the meanwhile, the DEH, under the guidance of the new dai, i.e. manhoos, oops! mansoos, is considering several new and innovative approaches to foil the namaaz of the reformists in udaipur. please refer to the thread 'new rules' where you will find the info available in the next few days...

[ozmujaheed]

I hope the Progs in Udaipur are alert that this is a planned strategy to break the resistance

Udaipur is considered by the kothar as the capital of opposition, if it weakens udaipur the kothar believe they will weaken the opposition

The above tactic was to either cause chaos by provoking the progs thereby tainting the progs Image or cause the weak progs to rejoin the abdes, not sure but watch out there is more to come.

some zada must be reading works of Lenin theories and art of war!

[profastian]

If they were really doing matam during imamat namaz(which i doubt), then it is really condemnable. I do not think that the kothar would ever allow such a thing. Again some over enthusiastic people in the local jamaat might have done this and it is again due to their ignorance. Why ever do you guys believe that every act by a small group of abdes or an individual is endorsed and incited by the Kothar? Do you have any proof?

[aqs]

Title says that Orthos perform namaz under reformist Imam,

Now if they are doing Matam at the time of Salaat how did they offered Salaat under Imamat of Reformist Imam.

And if they are doing Matam to disturb others then this is a condemnable act and as profastian mentioned can be attributed to some local group.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Aqs

You are right. Matam was done after fard namaz.

[aqs]

Brother Aqs

You are right. Matam was done after fard namaz.

Husain Bhai
if fard is over then they are not disturbing a fard, and if still Imamat Namaz is going on then they are not a part of it. only one thing can be true.

[anajmi]

If you look at the picture, every one in the last row is performing sujood at the same time. If this wasn't a fard namaz, then they wouldn't be performing sujood at the same time. In our Sunni mosques, people generally ask people to stay quite when others are praying even nafil or sunnah as it is not good to disturb them. Doctor mentioned in his post that the group lied that they were going to perform namaz under the reformist Imam. Maybe they just wanted to get inside the mosque to disturb the namaz which sounds more likely for shameless abdes.

[Humsafar]

aqs, there is some confusion about whether the abdes actually performed namaz under the reformist imam. Some people say they refused to do so - and I tend to concur, as is clear from this photo. The abdes were there to make trouble and they lied when the told the police that they were ready to pray under the reformist imam. But that is not the real issue here. The real issue is the despicable behaviour of abdes.
Each time you abdes are caught with your pants down, you trot out the argument that this is an isolated incident, individual act etc etc. It is not, as I said earlier in this thread this is an old tactic - well thought out and organised with blessing from higher ups. Similar matam sessions have taken place in other masjid also and with the sole purpose of harassing reformists at prayer. This is a condemnable act no matter who is leading the namaz and whether it is Farz or not.

[porus]

Matam is performed after fard following ta'qeeb, taqarrub and the dua for the Dai during which, innovatively, every one en-mass is supposed to recite the Dai's name at the top of their voices. Following taqarrub, Imam starts Ya Husain and others join in. They go on with the matam with shouts of Ya Ali, Ya Abbas, Ya Qutbuddin Shaheed etc. This goes on for about 5 to 7 minutes.

Matam after fard is done sitting on musalla.

So, the picture where abdes are shown beating their breasts standing up is unlikely to be after fard. Most likely explanation is the one given by Doctor and Humsafar. Abdes are disrupting fard by reformists.