Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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dal-chaval-palidu
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#1141

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:31 am

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 256_1.html

And related to vacation cutting: Bohra community members visit India for FGM: Study
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 285_1.html




dal-chaval-palidu
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#1143

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:17 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:00 am
From a Facebook Post on "speak out on FGM"

After four years of Speaking Out against the cultural practice of FGM/C/khatna/khafz in the Dawoodi Bohra community, the SC will finally decide if 'cutting' another innocent girl's genitals, is justified.
Eights parties in total will argue- 3 against FGM and 4 in favour of the practice, with our government sitting on the fence.
Every religious text which has been cited by those who wish to continue with the practice talks about 'being circumcised for the husband's pleasure.' Then how do they justify this practice- which is illegal in 28 countries across the world- to themselves? How do they look themselves in the eye and believe they are equal?

Tomorrow, it's Dawoodi Bohra women VS the powerful Syedna and other Dawoodi Bohra Women, it's right vs wrong, it's truth vs a battery of lawyers, it's her GENITALS vs your RELIGION....
.................................................................................

Does anybody have an idea who the 4 parties in favour of the practice are? One is DBWRF. I understand. Who are the other 3?
Does anybody know the answer to the question that I had asked above?

Also, has Fatemi Dawat taken any position on this issue in the Supreme Court?



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1144

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:36 pm

If this is true , then I wonder what does it tell about DMBS..
1) his contacts in high places did not work in his favour
2) his dua fell flat on his face
3) he is no " mojiza na Saheb"
4) even his best friend PM modi could not help him
5) he will now be branded as cult leader who tells his followers to do acts againts the law of the land..

Allah knows very well who does not deserve his Blessing and help

DMBS: Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb



Ozdundee
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#1145

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:24 am

The prestigious lowy institute mentions it.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... n-in-india

I can tell you Muffy is fxxkxd. Bye bye .

A lady has worked tirelessly, self funded, deep in night behind the scenes, the mastermind of Indian operations to achieve this milestone. She deserves prayers and congratulations .

Allah swt please reward her deeds. She will save thousands of girls from the knife.

After success in Australia operations, followed by USA and now we can smell the victory in India.

Deafening silence from FD



UnhappyBohra
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#1146

Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:31 pm

Ozdundee wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:24 am
The prestigious lowy institute mentions it.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... n-in-india

I can tell you Muffy is fxxkxd. Bye bye .

A lady has worked tirelessly, self funded, deep in night behind the scenes, the mastermind of Indian operations to achieve this milestone. She deserves prayers and congratulations .

Allah swt please reward her deeds. She will save thousands of girls from the knife.

After success in Australia operations, followed by USA and now we can smell the victory in India.

Deafening silence from FD
I am curious how he is fxxed. Will the blatant money grabbing stop? Will the manipulation of mumineen stop? Will khafz stop? If anything, the practice will go further underground. Do not be under the false impression that fanatics will stop cutting their girls just because some court declares it as illegal. Mind you the law has never got in the way of Muffy fanatics obeying his fatwas. It has been illegal in the US for years and hundreds of girls have been cut and continue to be cut I have no doubt.

STF made his statement on the practice as soon as he was approached. His stance was compassionate and transparent and is publicly available on the FD website. He has guided his followers and stopped the cutting of girls in his following with the stroke of a pen. Meanwhile he continues to challenge the Goliath in court month after month. His fight is to expose the fraudster and end his oppression for good. Let him do his work and do not expect him to congratulate you on your anticipated victories.

Your fight is not with STF. He is on the right side of the fight you are fighting. You focus on your fight with Muffy since it is important for you to stop the practice among Muffy fanatics.



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1147

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:46 pm

Well said @UnhappyBohra
FD has absolutely cleared their stand on this issue..
They have a bigger uphill battle of their own.



Ozdundee
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#1148

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:46 am

I will respond more why SMS is f'd after the judgement.



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#1149

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:15 am

https://www.indiablooms.com/news-detail ... ctice.html

Here is the title of this article:

Supreme Court warns against equating Female Genital Mutilation with circumcision, Dawoodi Bohra community justifies practice

We should clarify to the media that they should NOT equate DBWRF (which is fairly significant, at about 70000 women) to the whole community.



Ozdundee
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#1150

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:46 am

Phew ..

So Sayedna and his kothar are bank rolling

Sangvi, a Congress lawmaker and lawyer,
Discarding his argument, Chief Justice of India, Dipak Misra, said that mutilation was just another adjective used to justify the horrendous act, while Justice Chandrachud said: "It does not require a major chunk of imagination to see that a child who is undressed and subjected to this procedure would relent. Someone must hold the child down?"
DBWRF are a publicity facade that is created so Sayedna is protected from direct accusations . FBI, AFP and trust Indian supreme court knows about the pyramid.

And abdes know their najwa, wajebat and salaam contribute , even if a very small amount to the defense of this outrageous ritual.



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#1151

Unread post by HJK » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:06 am

Ozdundee wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:46 am
I will respond more why SMS is f'd after the judgement.
again the same hoshiyaari before any verdict. lets see what you got.



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#1152

Unread post by SBM » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm

HJK wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:06 am
Ozdundee wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:46 am
I will respond more why SMS is f'd after the judgement.
again the same hoshiyaari before any verdict. lets see what you got.
Well-- there is indictment of Nagarwala and others in USA, a jail sentence for Aamil in Australia and you are still signing for the VERDICT.
any reason, Qaid Choor-oops Johar and Idris are NOT visiting USA lately...



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#1153

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:48 pm

Ozdundee wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:46 am

DBWRF are a publicity facade that is created so Sayedna is protected from direct accusations . FBI, AFP and trust Indian supreme court knows about the pyramid.

And abdes know their najwa, wajebat and salaam contribute , even if a very small amount to the defense of this outrageous ritual.
@Ozdundee, that is absolutely correct.
DBWRF is nothing but a facade, to sheild DMBS and kothar from direct accusation, and probably even later punishment ,if and when they loose the case.
That just shows Quid Johnny is protecting his "Behind and DMBS" using women as his sheild ,
what a shameful act..!! Cowards

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#1154

Unread post by HJK » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:46 am

SBM wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm
HJK wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:06 am


again the same hoshiyaari before any verdict. lets see what you got.
Well-- there is indictment of Nagarwala and others in USA, a jail sentence for Aamil in Australia and you are still signing for the VERDICT.
any reason, Qaid Choor-oops Johar and Idris are NOT visiting USA lately...
Nagarwala is rather out on bail, a very majir charge has been dropped and also they have applied for other charges to be dropped it you have not rrad lately,
The Amil saab is Australia wasbu der house arrest whose norms whose house arrrest norms have turned lineant, the updates are now all in the defendansts favour, how do you know Shz saab has not visited the US? you will not even know when he is there and when he is not.



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1155

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:03 am

Defaming our community to such an extent and with the below verdict..shame shame on such ignorants and their master

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep. ... /887064001

What is great about getting such a bond here ?
so much of "izzat ka faluda" has already happened.

Great going ,and great twisting of facts by PR machine of DMBS regarding the release of EX DR. (Mrs Nagarwala) ..she is no longer a Doctor...shame shame

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#1156

Unread post by ajamali » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:22 am

HJK wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:46 am
SBM wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm

Well-- there is indictment of Nagarwala and others in USA, a jail sentence for Aamil in Australia and you are still signing for the VERDICT.
any reason, Qaid Choor-oops Johar and Idris are NOT visiting USA lately...
Nagarwala is rather out on bail, a very majir charge has been dropped and also they have applied for other charges to be dropped it you have not rrad lately,
The Amil saab is Australia wasbu der house arrest whose norms whose house arrrest norms have turned lineant, the updates are now all in the defendansts favour, how do you know Shz saab has not visited the US? you will not even know when he is there and when he is not.
Hahaha. Listen to yourself. You are bragging that someone in your community is under less of an arrest! Your leader must be so proud!

Nagarwala is under house arrest, is not allowed to meet with her community and she has to wear an ankle bracelet that sends her location to law enforcement authorities at all times. If the arrest conditions of a member are a source of pride for your community, the community must be in pretty bad shape. I actually pity the lady because she lost her license to practice because she followed a leader who was not able to guide her appropriately on a very controversial issue.

Just because you applied for charges against her to be dropped, does not mean that they are dropped. That’s like saying you are fabulously rich because you bought a lottery ticket.



HJK
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#1157

Unread post by HJK » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:48 am

ajamali wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:22 am
HJK wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:46 am


Nagarwala is rather out on bail, a very majir charge has been dropped and also they have applied for other charges to be dropped it you have not rrad lately,
The Amil saab is Australia wasbu der house arrest whose norms whose house arrrest norms have turned lineant, the updates are now all in the defendansts favour, how do you know Shz saab has not visited the US? you will not even know when he is there and when he is not.
Hahaha. Listen to yourself. You are bragging that someone in your community is under less of an arrest! Your leader must be so proud!

Nagarwala is under house arrest, is not allowed to meet with her community and she has to wear an ankle bracelet that sends her location to law enforcement authorities at all times. If the arrest conditions of a member are a source of pride for your community, the community must be in pretty bad shape. I actually pity the lady because she lost her license to practice because she followed a leader who was not able to guide her appropriately on a very controversial issue.

Just because you applied for charges against her to be dropped, does not mean that they are dropped. That’s like saying you are fabulously rich because you bought a lottery ticket.
lets not talk about leaders, we do not consider tb 1, shariat for u guys is ruba halal everything that creates a slightest problem shunned. atleast she is fighting with the community to prove that Rasululahs shariat can never be harmful.



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#1158

Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:27 am

SBM wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm
HJK wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:06 am


again the same hoshiyaari before any verdict. lets see what you got.
Well-- there is indictment of Nagarwala and others in USA, a jail sentence for Aamil in Australia and you are still signing for the VERDICT.
any reason, Qaid Choor-oops Johar and Idris are NOT visiting USA lately...
THE fool abde wants me to say something so that I blunder like SMS and it gets used by the judges. The lady activists have done so much ...Why would I jeopardise when victory is so close.

This idiot HJK....is like a hyena is bouncing around trying to challenge us. He wants to feel good so He can tell his abde masters he took on reformists and gave them a few one two..

Does he know if the Amil looses the appeal he will go back to real jail. Detroit case is not over. Some if the charges have been dropped but the FGM case is still on.

Tthat is common out of dozen charges only a few more certain charges are followed through.



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#1159

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:55 am

Abdes are like blind donkeys..they are so unaware of all the anti-shariat rituals which DMBS and his team has started.
1) in name of Muharramat ,they gave themselves licence to do full fledged "gibat/gossiping" of their fellow community brethren.
2) in name of Ohbat,they gave themselves licence to enter others homes without actually being invited.(forceful invites)
3) in name of interest -free loans , they forcefully make you take loans from jamaat to pay for "this and that funds"and other such faaltu salaams and najwa, to fill DMBS pockets.
4) And absolutely against the law of shariat ,they made women their shield (DBWRF)
5) High ranking officials of DMBS constantly "trumpet" the line "hubbul wwatan Minal iman" ,but every body knows that kothar has magnitudes of hawala of black money being done regularly.

Bohra quam ka naam Roshan kar Diya :twisted:

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#1160

Unread post by canadian » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:31 am

HJK wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:48 am


atleast she is fighting with the community to prove that Rasululahs shariat can never be harmful.
@HJK:
If FGM is Rasululah’s shariat, why is it practiced by Dawoodi Bohras and a few African countries only, why not in Rasululah’s birth place and surrounding countries?
It seems FGM was adopted during the Fatimid rule in Egypt, long, long after Rasululah’s death.
Or is the Rasululah’s shariat as genuine as the story about Imam Hussain’s last prayers for no. 52 and 53? :?:



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#1161

Unread post by level_headed » Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:56 pm

canadian wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:31 am
HJK wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:48 am


atleast she is fighting with the community to prove that Rasululahs shariat can never be harmful.
@HJK:
If FGM is Rasululah’s shariat, why is it practiced by Dawoodi Bohras and a few African countries only, why not in Rasululah’s birth place and surrounding countries?
It seems FGM was adopted during the Fatimid rule in Egypt, long, long after Rasululah’s death.
Or is the Rasululah’s shariat as genuine as the story about Imam Hussain’s last prayers for no. 52 and 53? :?:
Ignorance Alert !!! The country with the largest population of Muslims - Indonesia - practices it almost 100%. :lol: :lol:



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#1162

Unread post by canadian » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:02 pm

^^^
Wow, level_headed!!!
So are you telling us that if the country with the largest Muslim population practices FGM, then Bohras are right in cutting and torturing little girls? Then by that argument if majority Muslims are sunni, then your religion (bohraism) must be wrong.



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#1163

Unread post by level_headed » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:39 pm

:lol: :lol: Ignorance Alert level raised
Canadian - please get off this debate. Adults with a certain level of intelligence are debating. You don't seem to have that level



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#1164

Unread post by canadian » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:53 pm

level_headed:
Your manners suggest that you must be a kasre-aali, in which case yes, it's futile to debate with thugs.
Good bye.



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#1165

Unread post by HJK » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:09 am

canadian wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:02 pm
^^^
Wow, level_headed!!!
So are you telling us that if the country with the largest Muslim population practices FGM, then Bohras are right in cutting and torturing little girls? Then by that argument if majority Muslims are sunni, then your religion (bohraism) must be wrong.
Bhai you should also have a say about male CIRCUMCISION then, just born boys are tortured in a far more invasive manner then the female circumcision.



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#1166

Unread post by ajamali » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:16 am

Mufaddalies are creating a false equivalence between male circumcision and FGM just as they tried to create a false equivalence between licking used spoons and saving food. What a confused lot! Are Bohra men complaining about circumcision? Since we have no memory of it, it has not caused us the psychological harm that it has caused women with betrayal from their mothers or favorite aunts. There are known medical benefits for male circumcision and only medically known damage caused by cutting of seven year old girls. Male circumcision in adulthood is more dangerous and female cutting in adulthood is safer and medically sanctioned in some cases. However if HJK has such an issue with male circumcision, he should start a movement to ban it also!



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#1167

Unread post by HJK » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:41 am

ajamali wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:16 am
Mufaddalies are creating a false equivalence between male circumcision and FGM just as they tried to create a false equivalence between licking used spoons and saving food. What a confused lot! Are Bohra men complaining about circumcision? Since we have no memory of it, it has not caused us the psychological harm that it has caused women with betrayal from their mothers or favorite aunts. There are known medical benefits for male circumcision and only medically known damage caused by cutting of seven year old girls. Male circumcision in adulthood is more dangerous and female cutting in adulthood is safer and medically sanctioned in some cases. However if HJK has such an issue with male circumcision, he should start a movement to ban it also!
has even your so called leader made you blv that female circumcision is is fgm? yes he must have bec it is very easy for him to bail out of things to earn and beg some more followers, Is it about harm and harmony or consent, alot of procedures even vaccines can cause harm. If you search properly you will find that there are so many people against MC, with reasons, you stop everything that some disgruntled people oppose? we believe in 0 wastage of food, what the children in the video have done is their understanding of it and they have been instructed to not do the same.



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#1168

Unread post by HJK » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:43 am

HJK wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:41 am
ajamali wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:16 am
Mufaddalies are creating a false equivalence between male circumcision and FGM just as they tried to create a false equivalence between licking used spoons and saving food. What a confused lot! Are Bohra men complaining about circumcision? Since we have no memory of it, it has not caused us the psychological harm that it has caused women with betrayal from their mothers or favorite aunts. There are known medical benefits for male circumcision and only medically known damage caused by cutting of seven year old girls. Male circumcision in adulthood is more dangerous and female cutting in adulthood is safer and medically sanctioned in some cases. However if HJK has such an issue with male circumcision, he should start a movement to ban it also!
has even your so called leader made you blv that female circumcision is is fgm? yes he must have bec it is very easy for him to bail out of things to earn and beg some more followers, Is it about harm and harmony or consent, alot of procedures even vaccines can cause harm. If you search properly you will find that there are so many people against MC, with reasons, you stop everything that some disgruntled people oppose? we believe in 0 wastage of food, what the children in the video have done is their understanding of it and they have been instructed to not do the same.
If you happen to search the internet more and more whites are getting hoodectomy and other similar to Female circumcision procedures done to not only themselves but to thier teen daughters for various reasons.



HJK
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#1169

Unread post by HJK » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:47 am

ajamali wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:16 am
Mufaddalies are creating a false equivalence between male circumcision and FGM just as they tried to create a false equivalence between licking used spoons and saving food. What a confused lot! Are Bohra men complaining about circumcision? Since we have no memory of it, it has not caused us the psychological harm that it has caused women with betrayal from their mothers or favorite aunts. There are known medical benefits for male circumcision and only medically known damage caused by cutting of seven year old girls. Male circumcision in adulthood is more dangerous and female cutting in adulthood is safer and medically sanctioned in some cases. However if HJK has such an issue with male circumcision, he should start a movement to ban it also!
By Bohra men having no memory of it do you happen to suggest that it could be done to even females at that age? so that they have no bad memories of this either? or do you suggest that anything that your mom or aunt has held you tight for may it be vaccines or dentists or any other medical and non medical procedures have created bad memories for you and you want to sue them for everything?



Ozdundee
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#1170

Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:31 pm

canadian wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:31 am
HJK wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:48 am


atleast she is fighting with the community to prove that Rasululahs shariat can never be harmful.
@HJK:
If FGM is Rasululah’s shariat, why is it practiced by Dawoodi Bohras and a few African countries only, why not in Rasululah’s birth place and surrounding countries?
It seems FGM was adopted during the Fatimid rule in Egypt, long, long after Rasululah’s death.
Or is the Rasululah’s shariat as genuine as the story about Imam Hussain’s last prayers for no. 52 and 53? :?:
Please be correct FGM was NEVER Fardh. If it was it would have been stated in Qur'an. It is a tradition, recorded many many years after the Prophet SAW death as a Hadith narrated by someone who was not divinely inspired. Abu Huraira. It is a historical record, interpretation but not a commandment.