YES. now answer my questions.Adam wrote:
Do you accept The Daim? Very simple answer. Yes or No.
Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
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Tha was to Gulam. But since you (Al Zulfiqar) accept the Daim. Why don't you accept Female Circumcision (which is what this thread is all about?). And it is mentioned in the Daim.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
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Adam bhai - please do not get into any debates with Syedi Al Zulfikar bhai Ramsay. He is in a league of his own. Su ehni mawaali oops niraali shaan chhe. Ketli profound vaato karey chhe. He is beyond you.
wah bhai waah Ramsay bhai. Bahut dino se koyee nayee dhamaakedaar story nahin hain. Ramsay bhai ke ghar me der hain aur andher bhi.
wah bhai waah Ramsay bhai. Bahut dino se koyee nayee dhamaakedaar story nahin hain. Ramsay bhai ke ghar me der hain aur andher bhi.
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Thank you level_headed.
I already knew this. I'm just trying to make public their double standards, confusion and lies.
I already knew this. I'm just trying to make public their double standards, confusion and lies.
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That was to Gulam. But since you (Al Zulfiqar) accept the Daim. Why don't you accept Female Circumcision (which is what this thread is all about?). And it is mentioned in the Daim.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
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adam,
first accept the fact that all male abde regressives who accept that sajda should be done to dai, that dai is perfectly within his rights to do shikar and murder of animals for sport, that dai can earn thousands and thousands of crores in black money and does not have to account to anyone, that dai is ilah-ul-ardh etc, are all circumcised twice.
and that those abdes who attend sabak and reach upto darajjtul akhira, where it is finally revealed that DAI IS HIMSELF THE IMAM, are then circumcised a third time to celebrate their ascending to the pinnacle of knowledge.
once you accept these 2 facts, then i will accept the cruel and perverted manner in which present day abde regressives perform female khatna.
first accept the fact that all male abde regressives who accept that sajda should be done to dai, that dai is perfectly within his rights to do shikar and murder of animals for sport, that dai can earn thousands and thousands of crores in black money and does not have to account to anyone, that dai is ilah-ul-ardh etc, are all circumcised twice.
and that those abdes who attend sabak and reach upto darajjtul akhira, where it is finally revealed that DAI IS HIMSELF THE IMAM, are then circumcised a third time to celebrate their ascending to the pinnacle of knowledge.
once you accept these 2 facts, then i will accept the cruel and perverted manner in which present day abde regressives perform female khatna.
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Here we go again.
(Take the Sajda and Imamat point to the relevant thread) and don't ramble on.
AL Zulfi -
First you say you accept the Daim. The Daim talks about Female Circumcision.
Now you say
Make up your mind, either you accept the Daim as your book to the practices of Islam or you don't.
If you do, then stick to it and follow it.
If you don't then speak up.
If you believe Female Circumcision should be done, but in a different way, then clarify that.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
Now let me ask my friend Gulam again
@Gulam
Why you shying away from this simple question?
(Take the Sajda and Imamat point to the relevant thread) and don't ramble on.
AL Zulfi -
First you say you accept the Daim. The Daim talks about Female Circumcision.
Now you say
then i will accept the cruel and perverted manner in which present day abde regressives perform female khatna.
Make up your mind, either you accept the Daim as your book to the practices of Islam or you don't.
If you do, then stick to it and follow it.
If you don't then speak up.
If you believe Female Circumcision should be done, but in a different way, then clarify that.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
Now let me ask my friend Gulam again
@Gulam
Do you accept The Daim? Very simple answer. Yes or No.
Why you shying away from this simple question?
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i have already clarified in crystal clear terms. i will accept female circumcision only if you first accept that all male abde regressives are khatnofied twice and that the sabak trained abdes who have passed with flying colors are khatnofied 3 times. simple, isnt it?Adam wrote:
If you believe Female Circumcision should be done, but in a different way, then clarify that.
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i have already clarified in crystal clear terms. i will accept female circumcision only if you first accept that all male abde regressives are khatnofied twice and that the sabak trained abdes who have passed with flying colors are khatnofied 3 times. simple, isnt it?
Note to you ignorant brain: No such thing as 2 Khatnas (just a figment of your retarded brain)
I really don't care whether you accept Female Circumcision or not, i'm just trying to clarify your stupidity and lack of intelligent in a simple argument, and answering a direct question.
When asked whether you accept Daim, you said "Yes".
Daim calls for Female Circumcision. So either you accept it, or go against what you stand for. Make up your mind (if you have the mental capacity to do so)
@GULAM
(Since your other thread), you have clearly spelled out you aren't a Proggy. So why are you quoting and trying to follow the Daim? That's why I kept asking you what opinions you stand for.
Do you only accept the Panjatan, but think the Daim is a nice book to follow and you use it for your practices on Islam?
Why the Daim? Why not any other book?
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adam, since you are a fanatic abde regressive who has passed the highest level of sabaks and been awarded the title of shaikh, you have undergone khatna 3 times. this is an irrefutable fact.
if you deny this, please prove that i am wrong.
if you deny this, please prove that i am wrong.
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You are the one accusing. I have already denied it.
So according to Islamic Law, you must bring forth the proof.
Note to you ignorant brain: No such thing as 2 Khatnas (just a figment of your retarded brain)
I really don't care whether you accept Female Circumcision or not, i'm just trying to clarify your stupidity and lack of intelligent in a simple argument, and answering a direct question.
When asked whether you accept Daim, you said "Yes".
Daim calls for Female Circumcision. So either you accept it, or go against what you stand for. Make up your mind (if you have the mental capacity to do so)
So according to Islamic Law, you must bring forth the proof.
Note to you ignorant brain: No such thing as 2 Khatnas (just a figment of your retarded brain)
I really don't care whether you accept Female Circumcision or not, i'm just trying to clarify your stupidity and lack of intelligent in a simple argument, and answering a direct question.
When asked whether you accept Daim, you said "Yes".
Daim calls for Female Circumcision. So either you accept it, or go against what you stand for. Make up your mind (if you have the mental capacity to do so)
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Adam wrote:You are the one accusing. I have already denied it.
So according to Islamic Law, you must bring forth the proof.
Note to you ignorant brain: No such thing as 2 Khatnas (just a figment of your retarded brain)
I really don't care whether you accept Female Circumcision or not, i'm just trying to clarify your stupidity and lack of intelligent in a simple argument, and answering a direct question.
When asked whether you accept Daim, you said "Yes".
Daim calls for Female Circumcision. So either you accept it, or go against what you stand for. Make up your mind (if you have the mental capacity to do so)
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AdamAdam wrote:You are the one accusing. I have already denied it.
So according to Islamic Law, you must bring forth the proof.
Note to you ignorant brain: No such thing as 2 Khatnas (just a figment of your retarded brain)
I really don't care whether you accept Female Circumcision or not, i'm just trying to clarify your stupidity and lack of intelligent in a simple argument, and answering a direct question.
When asked whether you accept Daim, you said "Yes".
Daim calls for Female Circumcision. So either you accept it, or go against what you stand for. Make up your mind (if you have the mental capacity to do so)
GM has asked you many times and you have not replied if you believe in Daim how come you have not responded about the qualities and duties of Dai in Daim. Does current Syedna fits those qualities?
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bro sbm,
now the great prophet adam will answer: those questions are not relevant to this thread. just talk about female circumcision.
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?
now the great prophet adam will answer: those questions are not relevant to this thread. just talk about female circumcision.
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?
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i have 2 witnesses that say you were circumcised thrice. their names are insecticide (don quixote) and your trusted sidekick nalwala (sancho panza). they have reported that they were present, and underwent the procedure too at the same time as you. ouch!Adam wrote:
So according to Islamic Law, you must bring forth the proof.
i can also name the person who carried out this procedure. it was none other zaada quid johnny himself. he rarely ever presides personally to go snip, snip, so its a rare honor that you 3 have had. it recognises the fact that you 3 are the chosen ones who staunchly defend the kothar and syedna with their jaan ane maal.
so now there. you have islamic proof. no even better, dawoodi abde bohra regressive proof!
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@SBM
I have already answered this. We accept all the qualities in the Daim and Syedna fits them all.
I have also clarified that Gulam Mohammed (since himself has said it) believes only until the Panjatan and doesn't believe from Imam Ali Zain al Abedeen to 21 st Imams (the Fatimid Imams), that also means he doesn't accept the Daim ul Islam a foundation for his beliefs. So why is he so concerned about it and what it stands for?
He is not a Dawoodi Bohra.
He doesn't believe what the Daim states.
Adam
GM has asked you many times and you have not replied if you believe in Daim how come you have not responded about the qualities and duties of Dai in Daim. Does current Syedna fits those qualities?
I have already answered this. We accept all the qualities in the Daim and Syedna fits them all.
I have also clarified that Gulam Mohammed (since himself has said it) believes only until the Panjatan and doesn't believe from Imam Ali Zain al Abedeen to 21 st Imams (the Fatimid Imams), that also means he doesn't accept the Daim ul Islam a foundation for his beliefs. So why is he so concerned about it and what it stands for?
He is not a Dawoodi Bohra.
He doesn't believe what the Daim states.
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Adam,
I have made my beliefs very clear in many ways but it seems that you are not comfortable with it as you are unable to compartmentalize people and ultimately divide the ummah thereby unable to fullfil the hidden agenda of your dai hence you are trying to put words in my mouth, keep trying as it doesnt matter what anyone thinks of it as it is between and my Allah (swt).
I have made my beliefs very clear in many ways but it seems that you are not comfortable with it as you are unable to compartmentalize people and ultimately divide the ummah thereby unable to fullfil the hidden agenda of your dai hence you are trying to put words in my mouth, keep trying as it doesnt matter what anyone thinks of it as it is between and my Allah (swt).
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Well that sorts it.
You've made it very clear that because you are a Panjatani (only), you don't accept the Fatimid thoughts and Daim ul Islam isn't a book you follow for your practices.
Fair enough. That's okay with me.
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
You've made it very clear that because you are a Panjatani (only), you don't accept the Fatimid thoughts and Daim ul Islam isn't a book you follow for your practices.
Fair enough. That's okay with me.
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
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So you agree that Daimul Islam is not in line with Panjatani beliefs and practices. Hence it is not in line with Islam as taught by the Panjatan.
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Adam wrote:
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?
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nalwala, your honesty is touching! it must hurt intensely when you look down and you find a barren aazaad maidan where once happy birds played in the bushes. you cannot possibly continue with a name like nalwala anymore, esp. when your nal is missing! it just doesnt feel right.mustafanalwalla wrote:
i know exactly how much of the head really got snipped of.
how about "mustafa mojizawala"? it is truthful, (you are the proud recipient of a mola'l mojiza) and emphasises your blind faith in mola. what greater tribute can you pay to mola when you proudly call yrself "mustafa mojizawala"?
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Childishly diverting the topic
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
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adam,
case is not closed. these ladies are far from childish. they are seriously looking for you, the homicidal, genocidal, maniacal, serial female circumcisor.
if you are man enough, reveal yrself and face them, but be prepared to be circumcised a 4th time at their hands.
case is not closed. these ladies are far from childish. they are seriously looking for you, the homicidal, genocidal, maniacal, serial female circumcisor.
if you are man enough, reveal yrself and face them, but be prepared to be circumcised a 4th time at their hands.
Adam wrote:
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Case closed.
[/quote]Al Zulfiqar wrote:
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?
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I'll re-phrase.
The Prophet and Imam Ali (according to Daim) order for the Circumcision of Females.
They know what is best for the Ummah.
If you don't accept it, you are free to go against the will of the Prophet SAW.
The Prophet and Imam Ali (according to Daim) order for the Circumcision of Females.
They know what is best for the Ummah.
If you don't accept it, you are free to go against the will of the Prophet SAW.
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
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That is misinterpretation. The prophet (saw) has given no such order.The Prophet and Imam Ali (according to Daim) order for the Circumcision of Females.
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Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
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Al Zulfiqar wrote:adam,
case is not closed. these ladies are far from childish. they are seriously looking for you, the homicidal, genocidal, maniacal, serial female circumcisor.
if you are man enough, reveal yrself and face them, but be prepared to be circumcised a 4th time at their hands.
Adam wrote:
Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Case closed.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?
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Correct. And Daim ul Islam doesn't contain the orders of the prophet (saw). The prophet (saw) ordered never to perform sajda to anyone other than Allah, but the Daim omitted it.Adam wrote:Daim ul Islam is what we Bohras follow, it orders for Female Circumcision. Chapter closed
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Adam wrote:Here we go again.
AL Zulfi -
First you say you accept the Daim. The Daim talks about Female Circumcision.
Now you saythen i will accept the cruel and perverted manner in which present day abde regressives perform female khatna.
Make up your mind, either you accept the Daim as your book to the practices of Islam or you don't.
If you do, then stick to it and follow it.
If you don't then speak up.
If you believe Female Circumcision should be done, but in a different way, then clarify that.
Either you are lying, confused or going against your own beliefs.
Now let me ask my friend Gulam again
@Gulam
Do you accept The Daim? Very simple answer. Yes or No.
Why you shying away from this simple question?
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Al Zulfiqar wrote:adam,
case is not closed. these ladies are far from childish. they are seriously looking for you, the homicidal, genocidal, maniacal, serial female circumcisor.
if you are man enough, reveal yrself and face them, but be prepared to be circumcised a 4th time at their hands.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:
looks like adam is a fiend and fanatic about forcibly circumcising females. i know a couple of ladies who are martial arts experts. they would like to know the whereabouts of adam.
adam, are you man enough to face them?