Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:29 am

We are not astonished because we always knew about this kufr of this abde idiot. And who else did you think would be astonished by this? The other abde idiots?

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:05 pm

PORUS
Adam and his fellow dai-worshipping mushriks have made it plain that it is the Dai whom they worship. They will reject Daimul Islam if the Dai decides to reject it at any time.

Why did you suddenly jump the gun to this.
All that is being said is.
Daim ul Islam quotes Imam Ali of Femle Circumcision.

We follow it.
You'll don't.


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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by porus » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:55 pm

Adam wrote:PORUS
Adam and his fellow dai-worshipping mushriks have made it plain that it is the Dai whom they worship. They will reject Daimul Islam if the Dai decides to reject it at any time.

Why did you suddenly jump the gun to this.
You have your answer below:
progticide wrote:We DBs shall continue to practice every custom and tradition followed by our ancestors and approved by the Dai-e-Mutlaq of the time.

Any custom followed for generations but ordered to be discontinued by the Dai-e-Mutlaq of the time shall be undertaken without any question.

Similarly, any new custom introduced by the Dai-e-Mutlaq of the time shall be practiced without any question.

So, you progressives should understand this fact once and for all. Your words or actions or suggestions or recommendations or reforms do not hold any value to DBs.

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Unread post by Adam » Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:19 am

You have your answer below:

Yes, and the practices of Syedna and the Dawoodi Bohras is in line with the Daim ul Islam

Female Circumcision is mentioned in the Daim (quoting Imam Ali AS)

We follow it.
The opposition doesn't / or chooses not to.
(They oppose the farmaan of Imam Ali AS, saying he didn't know what was better for us in this day and age), and go against the book (The Daim) they claim to follow.
Double standards all over.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:06 pm

A long-standing tradition but one that was rarely, if ever, discussed in public, FGM or female genital mutilation of Dawoodi Bohra girls in India and abroad is now a matter of public debate. This comes a week after Outlook published an article (The Yin, Wounded, Dec 5) on a campaign launched to ban this clandestine practice amongst the Bohra community and interviewed women who had been subjected to it at the tender age of seven. While its proponents think it has religious and cultural sanction, those opposing it argue that it does not even find a mention in the Quran. This is besides the fact that it is extremely painful and is mainly an attempt to suppress the sexual desires of a woman to ensure that she remains loyal to her husband.

Several people signed up to the online petition asking Bohra high priest Mohammed Burhanuddin to have the practice stopped by issuing a fatwa against it. The signatories include Bohras too, which is despite the fact that few have so far dared to speak up openly inside the community on this subject. One of them, Fardeen Bunglowala, a Dawoodi Bohra who runs an embroidery business in Mumbai and is one of the signatories, says, “It isn’t Islamic at all but cultural. The main thing to do now is to generate awareness about it and start talking about it. This way social pressure can be built up to influence the higher-ups in the community.” Other prominent signatories include filmmaker and writer Shama Zaidi and scriptwriter Anjum Rajabali.

While some have suggested petitioning the courts, Tasleem, who has launched the campaign, thinks winning over the Bohra cleric is the best way to end genital mutilation of Bohra girls. “People obey him unquestioningly. If he forbids this act, no one will dare go against his will. In fact, many carry this out thinking he wants it when he actually doesn’t enforce it,” she says. “This is a pre-Christ ritual from Africa, which, surprisingly, a progressive sect like the Bohras are still following. Abolishing it will hurt no one. It will save a lot of little girls from brutal pain and it will enhance the image of the whole community in the world’s eyes.” Even in Africa, certain governments, such as those of Senegal and Mali, have banned the practice following sustained campaigning. And the clergy in neighbouring Mauritania played a proactive role in outlawing FGM. Will the local Bohra clergy too heed the voices of reason?

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279169

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by Aarif » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:11 am

anajmi wrote:
This post was specifically written for Anajmi who displays double standards on this forum. On one hand he support practices like triple talaq and halala because it is practiced by sunnis.
Aarif,

It doesn't seem like you were educated in a good school. You might want to educate yourself a little bit more before trying to understand the practices of the prophet (saw) and the khalifas. In the meantime I would suggest you to go and read books like Archie and Jughead. You might understand those.
Based on the arguments that you have presented on this forum, it seems that you are incapable of understanding even Archie and Jughead.

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:35 am

Good, so you understand that I am incapable of understanding you. :wink:

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by Aarif » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:48 am

anajmi wrote:Good, so you understand that I am incapable of understanding you. :wink:
You are incapable of understanding anything and hence must stay away from this forum.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by Liberalguy » Tue May 01, 2012 12:42 pm

OMG! This news was allover on 24th.
Atleast people knows about it now and hope for change. Kudos to those women.

dawn.com/2012/04/23/female-circumcision-anger-aired-in-india-fm/

m.news24.com/news24/World/News/Female-circumcision-anger-aired-in-India-20120425

world.topnewstoday.org/world/article/2093923/

legalnews.findlaw.com/article/00TH3Q9cmya7I?q=India

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/world ... l_comments

news.kuwaittimes.net/2012/04/25/female-circumcision-anger-aired-in-india/

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 21, 2012 6:20 pm

Egyptians debate 'traumatizing tradition' of female circumcision

May 19, 2012

In Egypt, female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation, was outlawed five years ago after a 12-year-old girl bled to death. However, this ban has done little to stop the widespread practice, and some conservative lawmakers are now pushing to make it legal again, to the despair of those fighting the centuries-old tradition.

Over 90 percent of all women of child-bearing age in Egypt have undergone female genital mutilation, or FGM, according to the 2008 Egypt Demographic and Health Survey. And despite educational campaigns, girls between 15 and 17 who underwent FGM only dropped from 77 percent to 74 percent between 2005 and 2008. In Egypt, FGM generally entails removing part of or the entire clitoris; in some cases, the labia may be removed, too. The procedure can take place anytime from infancy to early adolescence.

The revolution has not made matters easier for anti-FGM campaigners. Two-thirds of Egypt’s lower house of parliament is now controlled by Islamic parties, including the Muslim Brotherhood and the more hardline Salafis. Earlier this week, MP Nasser al-Shaker, of the Salafi-led Nour Party, defended FGM on a morning television show, arguing that it was mandated by Islam. He also pointed to former first lady Suzanne Mubarak’s efforts to eradicate the practice as all the more reason to repeal the ban. His comments immediately drew the ire of women’s rights groups.

A few weeks ago, a female member of parliament, Azza al-Garf, also called for the FGM ban to be repealed. Al-Garf is a member of the Freedom and Justice Party, the Muslim Brotherhood’s political branch. She too was chastised by women’s rights groups, one of which is now trying to sue her.

These controversies come on the heels of reports that the Muslim Brotherhood allegedly organised mobile caravans offering medical treatment – including female circumcision – in the region of Minya, in Upper Egypt. FRANCE 24 could not independently verify the veracity of these reports. The Muslim Brotherhood has denied this ever took place and stated that their organisation is officially against FGM.

http://observers.france24.com/content/2 ... nt-law-ban

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 28, 2012 6:09 pm

Circumcise Women for a nominal fee, Muslim Brotherhood’s gift!

In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood have offered to circumcise women for a nominal fee as part of their community services, a move that threatens to reverse decades of local struggle against the harmful practice argues Mariz Tadros

Voting in the Egyptian presidential election is underway and what better way to win over votes of the poor than through offering badly needed low cost services and free goods. The Muslim Brotherhood, who have a track record in community outreach through services and goods, have added a new service for Egyptians: circumcising girls for a nominal fee.

FGM, although practiced for thousands of years, has been on the decline in the past decade thanks to a socially sensitive and nationwide campaign to show that FGM is neither religiously prescribed, nor linked to a woman’s moral behaviour. Thanks to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis, the progress made in eliciting positive social change on curbing the practice now risks being reversed.

I have obtained the flyer that the Freedom and Justice party posted on the streets in the village of Abou Aziz. While the Freedom and Justice party denied that female circumcision was ever offered by the clinic, the information on the flyers suggests otherwise. The flyer which has the party’s logo on it says “The Freedom and Justice party in Abou Aziz is honoured to organize the yearly health clinic which covers all specialisations for a nominal fee of LE 5 for a check up on Friday the 20/4/2012 at the Islamic Institute after Friday prayers”. This was followed by a list of specialists including surgery, gynaecology and obstetrics, dentistry, dermatology etc. At the bottom of the list is a note saying “We receive cases for circumcision for males and females for LE30 a case”. What is significant about this flyer is the reference to male and female circumcision as if the practices were similar, and the fact that these are treated as medical cases, “operations” to be performed by members of a medical team.

The Brotherhood’s strategy to undermine the national campaign to end FGM is three-pronged. Firstly, they contest the notion that the practice is not religiously prescribed. Many of the Brothers (and Salafis) argue that while it is not mandatory, it is nevertheless mukarama (preferable, pleasing in the eyes of God). They also quote hadith (saying attributed to the Prophet) which stipulates that FGM should involve “cutting, but only lightly”. Renowned Egyptian Islamist scholars such as Mohammed Emara and Mohammed Selim el Awa (the latter a presidential hopeful) have written and publicly endorsed the position that FGM is not an Islamic practice, and that there is nothing in Islamic jurisprudence to endorse it - most Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, do not practice

The second strategy of the Brothers to contest the undesirability of FGM is to present it as a medical operation or procedure. By doing so, they encourage people to go to doctors - rather than midwives - who will perform the “operation” under anaesthesia and in accordance with proper surgical procedures. The fact that FGM does not exist in any medical textbook as a procedure, and that conversely, medical research has shown its negative medical implications is, of course, kept out of the debate. One of the most effective resistance strategies to undermine efforts to stop the practice has been to medicalize it. Some people talk about taking their daughters to the doctor to check whether “they need it or not”, as if there is a physiological condition that would justify mutilating a woman’s reproductive organs. In many instances, the Brothers have combined the medical with the religious argument to make the case for female circumcision.

On the ground, development practitioners interviewed in Fayoum and Minya argue that after more than15 years of awareness raising and sustained local grassroots efforts, there is now a new generation of girls who have grown up without being circumcised and have got married. This is significant in that it proves that women do not need to be circumcised to be chaste, and that their non-circumcision will not undermine their prospects of marrying and gaining social acceptance.

Sympathizers in Egypt and the west have long argued that once the Muslim Brotherhood assume power, they will play politics differently, and their positions on matters such as gender will become more “moderate” as their governance agenda shifts to addressing the economic and political crises. However, the evidence from the village of Abou Azziz tells a different story.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/mariz ... tian-women

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:00 pm

In June 2011, Iraqi Kurdistan passed a landmark law that criminalized female circumcision and domestic violence, but one year on, activists remain frustrated with its patchwork implementation.

The law punishes physical, sexual and psychological assault committed within the family, creates conditions for the protection of victims and mandates the establishment of specialized courts.

It also carries penal and financial punishments for those who promote or practice female genital mutilation.

Though often perceived as a problem mostly prevalent in Africa, the practice was widespread in Kurdistan, according to German NGO Wadi, which published a report in 2010 on the subject, based on interviews with 1,700 women in the region.

According to that report, 72.7 percent of women in the region's two biggest provinces of Erbil and Sulaimaniyah were victims of female genital mutilation, with the rate rising to almost 100 percent in some areas.

Wadi pointed to a "clear link" between the practice and illiteracy, pegged at 51.1 percent among women in Kurdistan.

The adoption of the law marked a "big victory," said Suzan Aref, head of the Women's Empowerment Organization, a local NGO established in June 2004.

But both women agree the battle will not be won until the law is fully applied, which appears a long way off.

"Yes, we have laws, but... we don't have implementation," Aref said. "This is a big problem."

"You cannot find that the numbers [for female genital mutilation] have reduced because of this law, because no one knows about it," she said, adding: "We need a campaign of awareness."

"It has been one year since the law was passed, and it has still not been applied," she said. "It's a disaster. Now, you have to either return the law to parliament, or apply it.”

According to her, judges and religious leaders have stood in the way of the law's full implementation.

"Most judges think this is harmful for the family," and those who apply it "can be counted on one hand," she said. As for religious leaders in Kurdistan, "there is nothing in the law that they like" and many have called for it to be amended or scrapped.

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDe ... z1y8W0MBDT

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by Hanif » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:41 pm

Adam wrote:
You have your answer below:

Yes, and the practices of Syedna and the Dawoodi Bohras is in line with the Daim ul Islam

Female Circumcision is mentioned in the Daim (quoting Imam Ali AS)

We follow it.
The opposition doesn't / or chooses not to.
(They oppose the farmaan of Imam Ali AS, saying he didn't know what was better for us in this day and age), and go against the book (The Daim) they claim to follow.
Double standards all over.
Where in Daim ul Islam does it state: Crores of Rupees should be spent on Ziyafats of Dais (not of Imams, but of Dais)
Where does it state that Salaams and Kadambosis are required by the believers accompanied by thousands of rupees, dollars, etc.
Where does it state that Dai is a Sultan and his children are Shezadas and Shezadis and should be reverred with Salams and feet kissing
Where does it state in Daimul Islam that thousands of rupees/dollars, etc. should be spent on asking raza for naming babies, akikas, going for ziyarats and Hajs, etc.
Finally, where in Daim does it state that Ziyarats of Imam Hussein AS and Mowla Ali AS and Panjatan Pak AS is required of the believers.

And finally, where in Daim ul Islam is stated that Imam would disappear and a Dai will lead the community, and this Dai will be infallible. A Dai is never from Ahlel Bayt so how can he be infallible.

FGM is banned in Egypt. You think if it was practiced in the Prophet's time then the Ullemas would have agreed to ban it? It was banned on the recommendation of WHO and some Women's grop at the UN. However, there were fatwas issued against it well before the intervention of the UN.

Please read:http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm


FGM was practiced in the Prophet's time not as a religious practice but AS A CULTURAL PRACTICE OF THE TIME.

I have more questions for you.


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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:46 pm

When will Mansoos stop feasting on the Ziafats and hunting and outlaw FGM? Kids are being abused and parents may be jailed.

Let him explain his ancestors STS, SMB were wrong , maaf karjo mara farzando, tamaro hath nahi pakris, and dunia na halath na waste aaj pachi raza nathi !

It is more important issue then worrying about English toilets and saya kurta!

Do not make the mistake like the middle eastern despots made and assume this is a passing cloud. It will bring him down.

His moajiza could not predict this investigation and no abde got a sapnoo. And no najwa will get in the way.

Abdes if you are reading this do araz to your zadas and amils, ask them aa too fan ma ame soo kare saheb ? What do you propose ?

Progs if we are sincere in our reform we should contact local police and media and get the action to stop this practise worldwide. Get up from the computer and pickup the phone ! Talk about it and take back the control of your community.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by badrijanab » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:53 am

Ozmujahid and alike,

If a country is opposing practice of Khatna, it does not make women khatna as unislamic. Many countries have opposed 'nikaab'/'hijaab'/'burqa' that doesn't make it unislamic.

Simple point is: Our leader Prophet Mohammed (s) and Mola Ali (a) has commanded to practice 'women khatna' and we the Daawoodi Bohras will abide by the command of our Nabi and his wasi.

You are free to not follow, no one forces anyone in matter of religion.

Progressive Bohra doesn't mean that they are anti-Bohras. They are like us on the matter of religion.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:13 am

Bj what rubbish can you check your facts and do better research!

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:20 am

This is where the hypocrisy of people like badrijanab is in full display. They want to pray 3 times instead of 5 for the sake of convenience and yet when it comes to FGM, it is a command of the prophet, convenience be damned!!

FGM is not a command of the prophet (saw). His sunnah falls into 3 categories. One is where he commanded people to do something. Second is where people saw the prophet (saw) doing something and third is where the people were doing something and the prophet (saw) did not object to it. FGM falls in the 3rd category. Praying 5 times a day falls in the first two categories and yet badrijanab chooses to ignore it. If FGM is against the law of the nation then it can be ignored as it is neither a command of the prophet (saw) nor was he seen doing it himself.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by badrijanab » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:31 am

Prophet Mohammed (s) and Mola Ali (a) has commanded female and male khatna - reference Daimul Islam.

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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 pm

Please post the command from Daimul Islam over here.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Don't worry about it. We have already seen it on this thread.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:10 pm

If that is the case do you suggest all Bohras should risk going to prison?

Do you then accept that we practise child abuse as per the law of the land? Do you realize where this stubbornness will land you.

By that statement you personally are risk of being arrested for propgating the illegal practise if you enter Australia, If that is the case Mansoos is now also at risk of arrest if he enters Australia ?

My point is diamul Islam is not flawless or eternal stop it before more people land themselves in trouble.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:36 pm

ozmujaheed wrote:If that is the case do you suggest all Bohras should risk going to prison?

Do you then accept that we practise child abuse as per the law of the land? Do you realize where this stubbornness will land you.

By that statement you personally are risk of being arrested for propgating the illegal practise if you enter Australia, If that is the case Mansoos is now also at risk of arrest if he enters Australia ?

My point is diamul Islam is not flawless or eternal stop it before more people land themselves in trouble.
Ozmujaheed, as per Bohras (including Progressives), Daimul Islam is flawless book. Imam (the masoom) instructed and vetted Molana Kazi Noman on every thing in Daimul Islam.

We DB, not only presently in Australia but many times in history have faced not only difficult policies of Government (in present case Australia) but also we have faced Government with enforcing anti-Bohra policies example) During the rule of Aurangzeb, Ahmed Shah Abdali - beared of our mens were forcefully razed, girls were forcefully maried to Sunni's, in our mosque forcefully Sunni Imam's were appointed to lead prayers, Musan Ji Taj was thrown alive in the burning hot oil by Sunni Government, Maloon Aurangzeb murdered our Dai Syyedina Qutbuddin, etc

We cannot revolt against the Government. I am sure the mumineen in Australia will manage this difficult time.

Nevertheless, as the matter of principle: Daimul Islam per Bohra dogmas is a flawless book and that refers to Prophet Mohammed (S) and Mola Ali (a) commanding their followers to abide by male and femail Khatna.

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Unread post by canadian » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:53 pm

badrijanab wrote:
ozmujaheed wrote: My point is diamul Islam is not flawless or eternal stop it before more people land themselves in trouble.
Ozmujaheed, as per Bohras (including Progressives), Daimul Islam is flawless book. Imam (the masoom) instructed and vetted Molana Kazi Noman on every thing in Daimul Islam.



Nevertheless, as the matter of principle: Daimul Islam per Bohra dogmas is a flawless book and that refers to Prophet Mohammed (S) and Mola Ali (a) commanding their followers to abide by male and femail Khatna.
If Daim ul Islam is flawless, then I'd say that the prophet (s) and Maula Ali (a) or the Imam/s were fallible, and that the people should discontinue this barbaric practice.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:01 pm

People who think Daimul Islam is flawless are flawed in their heads. Daimul Islam is a book written by man and the Quran says this about these flawless books

2:4 And who believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon thee, [O Prophet,] as well as in that which was bestowed before thy time: for it is they who in their innermost are certain of the life to come! -

For one to be a muttaqee, belief is required only in that which was revealed to the prophet (saw) and what was revealed before him. Anything "flawless" that came after him can be discarded!! Now, this applies only to those that are muttaqee. Bohras (including Progressives) are obviously not as per badrijanab.

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Unread post by badrijanab » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:40 pm

canadian wrote:
badrijanab wrote: Ozmujaheed, as per Bohras (including Progressives), Daimul Islam is flawless book. Imam (the masoom) instructed and vetted Molana Kazi Noman on every thing in Daimul Islam.



Nevertheless, as the matter of principle: Daimul Islam per Bohra dogmas is a flawless book and that refers to Prophet Mohammed (S) and Mola Ali (a) commanding their followers to abide by male and femail Khatna.
If Daim ul Islam is flawless, then I'd say that the prophet (s) and Maula Ali (a) or the Imam/s were fallible, and that the people should discontinue this barbaric practice.
Dear Canadian, assess yourself honestly how much knowledge do you have about nitty-gritty of Islam? How many hours do you daily dedicate to learning Islam? How many books have you read and accurately comprehanded/understood and dilligently following? You need not to answer here publicaly but answer to your innerself. Now Imam Moiz (a) is the authority appointed by Allah via Mola Ali (Quran Sura 5:55) and look at the scores of books and wisdom displayed in the books of Molana Kazi Noman - in compare to these two where does your Islamic wisdom stands?

So, please do not be emotional. You have right to freedom to express - this is hallmark only of Fatimi Daulat (empire). However, please be intellectually honest to accept that religious dogmas do not run on whims and fancies of individuals.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:14 pm

Badrijanab
How many books have you read and accurately comprehanded/understood and dilligently following?
Brother
Have you read Quran with understanding?

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Unread post by canadian » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:11 pm

badrijanab wrote:[quote="

Dear Canadian, assess yourself honestly how much knowledge do you have about nitty-gritty of Islam? How many hours do you daily dedicate to learning Islam? How many books have you read and accurately comprehanded/understood and dilligently following? You need not to answer here publicaly but answer to your innerself. Now Imam Moiz (a) is the authority appointed by Allah via Mola Ali (Quran Sura 5:55) and look at the scores of books and wisdom displayed in the books of Molana Kazi Noman - in compare to these two where does your Islamic wisdom stands?

So, please do not be emotional. You have right to freedom to express - this is hallmark only of Fatimi Daulat (empire). However, please be intellectually honest to accept that religious dogmas do not run on whims and fancies of individuals.
Dear Badrijanab:

I agree I am not very knowledgeable about Islamic books (like Daim..., etc.) and that you may know all the "nitty gritty" of Islam. I am a simple, uneducated man and follow Islam in my own simple way, i.e I believe in equal rights for every one, I do not want to hurt any one, I do not steal or cheat, etc, especially I do not think that any human being is superior to me- I refuse to do sajda to syedna or to any other human being. In short I leave all the so-called deep knowledge of Islam or any other religion to smart people like you and have no desire to enter into any debate with you or with any one. Suffice to say that I agree with anajmi that may be Daim ul Islam is wrong in advocating a cruel practice like fgm.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:41 pm

Muslim First wrote:
Badrijanab
How many books have you read and accurately comprehanded/understood and dilligently following?
Brother
Have you read Quran with understanding?
Yes
I have read various Quran translations and Tafsirs. I have understanding of its meaning.

ozmujaheed
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Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:56 pm

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=7637

Copy of letter attached. Those who want FGM stopped can distribute the letter freely. This letter is now public knowledge.