Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:43 am

Women in Ismaili Muslim sect say they have had FGM in Canada

The first research of its kind to probe the practice within this tightly knit South Asian community, the study found that 80 per cent of Bohra women surveyed have undergone FGM and two of the study’s 18 Canadian participants said it happened within Canada’s borders.

https://www.thestar.com/news/fgm/2017/0 ... anada.html



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#1052

Unread post by think » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:28 pm

a lot happens in Toronto which is a no no by the govt. of Canada



Udaipuri
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Unread post by Udaipuri » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Well, well another front opens up against Mufaddal. And this is quite noteable:

"The sect’s India-based spiritual leader, referred to as the Sayedna, enjoys centralized power and access to the properties and assets of his communities around the world, the federal emails state.

As Dawoodi Bohras settled in the GTA, the Sayedna in the early 1990s notably tried — but failed — to incorporate himself in Canada as a “corporation sole,” a company of one person. The designation may have given the Sayedna decision-making power over the resources, land and money, of the Dawoodi Bohra communities in Canada.

A local member of the Bohra community, writing to a Canadian senator about the issue at the time, said the Canadian Dawoodi Bohras had questionable practices, including “actively enforcing” female genital cutting. The writer alleged that “a lady with medical background or qualifications visits Ontario regularly to conduct these procedures on little girls of the community.”



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#1054

Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:24 am

Australia USA UK

Canada welcome to the club



think
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Unread post by think » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:33 am

He may not be a corporation sole but canadian dollars are being chanelled through his chamachas in other parts of the world. this is happening at the Amil and sheikh level and specially among the so called maulims who have landed here from in the west in the pretext of teaching bohri religion. why do you think there are so many teachers in houston jamaat? chuster is well versed in money transfer.



dal-chaval-palidu
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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:58 pm

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... n-4803516/

A Bohra woman’s open letter to PM Modi on freedom from Female Genital Mutilation

Written by Masooma Ranalvi



Ozdundee
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#1057

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:55 pm

Just to rub it in our arch nemesis UK

League results
Au 1
US 1
Canada 0
UK 0
Police are 'determined' to bring country's first prosecution for female genital mutilation as they launch campaign to protect children coming from abroad...The only trial held in Britain for FGM ended in the the acquittal of the two male suspects in less than 15 minutes in 2015.
Squeal can you see the jealousy..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... broad.html



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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:26 am

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2017/09 ... 667482001/

First parents being prosecuted. The Feds may be moving at a snails pace but they surely are making progress.



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:52 am

One More article on the same news as above. Posted here for completeness ..

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 105608154/



SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:13 pm

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 105782924/
doctor-female-genital-mutilation-case-freed-bond



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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:49 am

I wonder what difference does this make to the overall scheme of things?

1. The reputation and dignity of our community in US and across the western and European world is already in shambles by this case

2. The bond terms clearly show she is literally under house arrest.

3. And not just her..."Nagarwala and her immediate family also must surrender their passports."

4. Its the largest unsecured bond in history of Michigan....that tells you quite a lot
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/dr- ... -fgm-trial

5. All the bond money was raised by family and friends...whatever happened to "Dawat-e-hadiyah U.S." coming to help when a fellow mumin is in need.

6.The bond judgement is actually an indication that the judge is thinking about the well being of her kids , rather than the accused....kudos to the judge for the benevolent approach. “Should she flee, she’s really hurting her kids,” the judge said.

But alas, the dumb abdes will call this as Mojiza of DMBS, rather than highlighting the "Humanity" that still prevails in the US judicial system(which is very much missing in DMBS and kothar)

DMBS = Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:55 pm

Doctors in genital cutting case ask judge to toss stiffest charge: a sex crime

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... 687806001/

Two doctors charged in the historic genital cutting case want a judge to dismiss the most serious charge that could send them to prison for life: transporting minors with the intent to engage in sexual activity.

Sex has nothing to do with the procedure and to suggest that it does is nonsensical and outlandish, the defense claims. Moreover, it believes the government is manipulating a federal law just just to get a life sentence thrown in the case, which, it maintains, is about a religious procedure involving purity and spiritual cleanliness — not sex.

“The sexual-intent part is just a major, wrong stretch,” attorney Shannon Smith said late Wednesday, after filing a 40-page document that delved into the definition of “sexual act.”



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:16 pm

https://www.thequint.com/voices/women/f ... girl-child

Dear Govt: On This Day of the Girl Child, Please Act Against FGM

MASOOMA RANALVI



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:01 am

https://townhall.com/columnists/elizabe ... d-n2393872


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Unreported, Unsuspected, Undetected
Elizabeth Yore | October 12, 2017
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The hidden trafficking of the practice of underground female genital mutilation in the United States often goes unreported, unsuspected and undetected. The first federal prosecution of female genital mutilation (18 USC § 116) is occurring in Detroit, Michigan, with the indictment of Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, the alleged mutilator, along with eight other conspirators, aiders, and abetters.


These defendants are members of the Muslim sect Dawoodi Bohra and mandate this practice of FGM on their little daughters.

Incredibly, a federal statute outlawing FGM was passed in 1996, and it has taken 21 years to bring a federal criminal prosecution. While this is a first important step, it signals the depth and extent of the covert conspiracy of silence to protect this hideous and barbaric practice on unsuspecting little girls. The public should be aware that it is also a federal crime to take a child out of the U.S. for the purposes of FGM.



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#1065

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:45 am

A couple of updates to the case in Detroit.

Sex charge should stick in mutilation case, feds say

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 106793430/

and

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 106959794/



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#1066

Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:23 pm

Above is a good legal position. If this sexual penetration charges are applied.

Bohras practices will be hit by 2 accusation

Child abuse and sex abuse.

This will bring FGM closer to be treated as institutionalised abuse where not only the perpetrators of crime but promoters such as Clergy Teachers and Society is guilty of crime.




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#1068

Unread post by ajamali » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:26 pm

This is Old news. There is a Bohra woman runnng around with a prisoner’s ankle bracelet. Are you posting this news as a matter of pride for Bohras?



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#1069

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:10 am

ajamali wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:26 pm
This is Old news. There is a Bohra woman runnng around with a prisoner’s ankle bracelet. Are you posting this news as a matter of pride for Bohras?
The news was updated on 21 November.

If the pride is all that is lost so be it, if it saves even 1 child from FGM . We are not out of the woods.

The Sayedna is fighting the cases with his mighty wealth from his abdes disguised as top lawyers in Detroit and Sydney. His stubbornness is now in full display to the world. It's not only his pride but his loyal abde pride.

Police bosses in most countries know they are distracted from other crimes while cases are being fought so hard. Bohra is famous name in police boardrooms

If he wins then he will claim victory against the mighty FBI and Australia police and cutting will go at genocidal mass cutting.



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Unread post by Shams » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:38 pm

Sahiyo and a lot of other folks had petitioned six months ago to Maneka Gandhi, the Minister of women and child development to send out advisories to ban the practice of FGM to PM and Bohra leadership.
As soon as she received the petition, a lot of promises and strong statements were made by her. Six months later, none of that has materialised. Guess she got a call from daddy to keep mum until atleast Gujarat elections are over, where currently it looks like opinion polls are showing a 50-50 chance of BJP-INC's chances of winning. Sad state of affairs. Triple talaq got a huge hue and cry where ground reality will always be different than state mandated diktats, but not for something which can be absolutely abolished, criminalized and uprooted.



ajamali
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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:27 pm

Shams wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:38 pm
Sahiyo and a lot of other folks had petitioned six months ago to Maneka Gandhi, the Minister of women and child development to send out advisories to ban the practice of FGM to PM and Bohra leadership.
As soon as she received the petition, a lot of promises and strong statements were made by her. Six months later, none of that has materialised. Guess she got a call from daddy to keep mum until atleast Gujarat elections are over, where currently it looks like opinion polls are showing a 50-50 chance of BJP-INC's chances of winning. Sad state of affairs. Triple talaq got a huge hue and cry where ground reality will always be different than state mandated diktats, but not for something which can be absolutely abolished, criminalized and uprooted.
Maneka was officially asked to hand over the FGM case to the PMO. Namo informed her that he would call MS and ask him to voluntarily ban It....I guess MS refused :roll:



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Unread post by yfm » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:04 pm

If a man can marry a man, and a woman can marry a woman, then one day a man can marry a young girl and a woman can marry a young men and then FGM will be a man or a woman's decision. That is where civilization will trample spirituality and every one will be happy.



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Unread post by Shams » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:39 pm

yfm wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:04 pm
If a man can marry a man, and a woman can marry a woman, then one day a man can marry a young girl and a woman can marry a young men and then FGM will be a man or a woman's decision. That is where civilization will trample spirituality and every one will be happy.
Arey bhai kehna kya chahte ho



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Unread post by Mkenya » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:24 am

Hanh! English mein samjha nahin shakte to bhai Gujarati, Urdu ya to 'Lisane Dawaat' mein likkho.



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:30 pm

Below is an article where some of the court proeedings are described in the Detroit Case.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/michi ... mutilation

Look at the Transcripts on Scribd in the link above. Read the hearings on Aprit 17, and the other dates.

In fact, in the April 17th hearing, the lawyer made the case that this was a result of the split in the community and some people (from the FD side, in this case) lodging false allegations on the other (MS) side. [See page 24-25 in the transcript.] I wonder if they still hold that view, and if there is any truth to it?



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:41 pm

No official data on existence of Female Genital Mutilation in India, Centre tells SC

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... c-5001780/

Sadly, typical government reply ... Wonder if anything will come out of it.



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Unread post by ajamali » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:22 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:30 pm
Below is an article where some of the court proeedings are described in the Detroit Case.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/michi ... mutilation

Look at the Transcripts on Scribd in the link above. Read the hearings on Aprit 17, and the other dates.

In fact, in the April 17th hearing, the lawyer made the case that this was a result of the split in the community and some people (from the FD side, in this case) lodging false allegations on the other (MS) side. [See page 24-25 in the transcript.] I wonder if they still hold that view, and if there is any truth to it?
This is such a lie. Fatemi Dawat had nothing to do with the suit brought against the doctors. In discussions on the Speakout against FGM group, MS supporters came out and said multiple times that they were aware that FD had nothing to do with the initiation of the FBI investigation.



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Unread post by hello52 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:41 am

Ur argument that you verified the content by going out to the people as asking them that whether they perform or nit is a ahe lie in itself when the lawyer in USA who is supporting and helping the dawat e hadiya in the case in USA said that it's not just bohra who perform and Jews also and even by the reports of the sahiyo and other related anti fmg organisation who in there responses have said about this, so you just get Your facts right .

Syedna mufaddal has not upsured leadership he was given leadership and I give u a piece of advice allah has given u Nabi who was made the leader of the ummah who used to guide you in every matter . Now after him who would guide you . Quran and his ahlebaite was left by the rasullah( saw ) who said these two would never go away from each other and you can seek help from them till the day of qayamat. So who is the real one leader of the allah to guide his people . As leader is needed in every thing . So don't say you don't need any one, even to learn a book in school or to understand a concept you need a teacher who has been told what that means . So if some people say that Quran is enough and they would understand by just reading is completely false . So now my question if syedna mufaddal is not the one then who is the real representative of allah in this world . Where he is?
I would suggest you to go to a person of other community who knows how to see the "faal" { i guess you about it} and ask this question to them you would get your answers without partiality and which I have tried already . Mr taher fakhruddin is a complete power hungry man not money hungry i say as both have a good fortunes from there ansesters . And the dawat wealth is separate . And mr taher Qutbuddin is going good interfaith work then I guess syedna mufaddal has done much more than him and if that's the criteria you consider for that post . There is a lot my friend to decide we people in our anger always tend to go with the wrong people. Allah has given you a various option to identify his messenger it's up to you to find using that ways . Messengers have to respond with harsh words to make people understand the reason and to save them from the devil's ill intensions . They have to be tough. Till now syedna mufaddal didn't say any thing that can be proved wrong in any way . All had a scientific backing . It up to you to search before you come to any decision by just seeing the people and reading the fake info on social media. Search for truth don't just accept what people speak just for the sake of enimity .



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#1079

Unread post by Crater Lake » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:08 am

^^^ if by Interfaith work, you mean supporting a Muslim-killing hindu nationalist politician.....umm yes MS has done interfaith work :roll:



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Unread post by SBM » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:45 am

USA said that it's not just bohra who perform and Jews also
Hello52
Can you provide the link and reference if JEWS perform FGM.