Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by sugguma » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:22 am

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:27 am

this is a really damning article against the arrogant kothari mafia clergy. copies of it should be sent to all western governments and law enforcement agencies.

kudos to TOI for not succumbing to the money pressure from muffy and his haramkhor gang.

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:26 am

Muffy Maula is a batin reformist ! Muffy maula ki Jai !

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:54 pm

Rashida Mustafa, Wife No 2 of "Dr" Shaikh Mustafa Ebrahim Abdulhussein, who was in Australia representing the Londons Dawate Hadiyah FGM legal team and vice president of Manchester Jamaat, speaks out openly in her blog in support of performing FGM along with some comments from Dawoodi Bohra women from London and Manchester supporting her effort.
Shame on her and her hypocrit husband.
Just heard from my Aunty in Liverpool that she's sending out messages to every Dawoodi Bohra ladies to sign a petition in her blogs supporting FGM on underage girls as our religious rights.
Please click on her blog link and leave negative comments against FGM and report this blog to every media group in the world.
SHAME ON BOTH HUSBAND AND WIFE TEAM FOR SUPPORTING BARBARIC UNISLAMIC PRACTICE OF FGM ON UNDERAGE GIRLS.

http://Www.onfgm.blogspot.co.uk

I've done some research on this so called doctor Shaikh with few bankruptcies under he's belt.
he also uses Aftab Ebrahim Abdulhussein to evade paying taxes.

http://companyformationuk.co/Officers/M ... TD/4513929

Wonder what he meant when he said to the Supreme court in Australia that our mola teaches us to be loyal to the country we reside in???

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:32 pm

to be honest I dont care what wordily courts has to say because number of times they have been wrong, governments are criminals all around the world.

any ways coming to FGM I am against it because I dont find any authentic hadith which says to perform this act, not sure how and from where bohras picked this up.

Dua for Momeen.

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:46 pm

The blog has been taken down...

She clearly writes... "this time you guys win"

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:30 pm

http://m.hindustantimes.com/mumbai/will ... oh4rI.html

Will breakaway Bohra group’s liberal views on FGM win followers?
Manoj R Nair, Hindustan Times, Mumbai| Updated: Jun 13, 2016 00:31 IST
When a group of Dawoodi Bohra women started a campaign against the practice of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), called female circumcision by supporters of the practice, there was no reaction from their clergy. The only response was from the smaller breakaway group – now headed by Syedna Taher Fakhruddin, the son of the claimant to the community’s spiritual leadership. The group broke away after Taher’s father Khuzaima Qutbuddin, who died in March, refused to accept the succession of his nephew to the spiritual seat that was held by his half-brother Mohammed Burhanuddin, the 52nd Dai (Syedna) or head of the sect. The groups split after Burhanuddin died in January 2014 and the dispute over the succession is being heard by the Bombay high court.

The breakaway group, which said that the anti-FGM campaigners asked them for support, has been more liberal in their views on the custom. While critics have said that it is a patriarchal practice forced on women, Fakhruddin has contended that the surgery actually improves the conjugal relationship. While he has not said that the custom should be banned, he has said that women should be allowed to take the decision whether they want to undergo the procedure. “It is sensitive and complicated; there is a matter of religious practice. So the Syedna came up with a solution which addresses the issue directly to protect the girl child — which is the main issue,” said Abdeali Qutbuddin, Fakhruddin’s brother.


“At the same time, keeping the sanctity of the faith, he (Fakhruddin) has clarified that what is done is a procedure to enhance their (women’s) experience with their husband. What the Syedna has said that when a girl reaches adulthood, it should be her decision whether to undergo the procedure,” he added.

The campaigners against the custom may not agree with this interpretation of the practice, but the breakaway group thinks they have provided a more moderate solution to the question. “The Dawoodi Bohra faith, in itself, is a liberal faith because it has at its core the Dai, who can interpret the faith,” said Abdeali.

As his rival tries to win followers by taking a more liberal view on the issue, the head of the main faction, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, finally spoke on the issue. His statement came after reports that associations representing Bohras in United Kingdom and Australia, where the practice is a crime, asked their members not to break the local law. Mufaddal said that circumcision – for men and women – is a religious rite practiced since the beginnings of their faith, but supported the decision of the trusts to end the custom in countries where it is a criminal offence. The practice can continue in countries like India where it is not illegal, he added.

In India, the Bohras, who are Shias, are the only group to practice it though it is common in Yemen and Africa. Most western countries not only prohibit the practice but also make it a criminal offence to take a child out of the country to get the procedure done. Recently, the supreme court of New South Wales convicted three people, including the mother, for the circumcision of two girls.


His followers think that Fakhruddin, whose following is still miniscule compared to the main faction, has won more supporters by his liberal views on FGM.

“I think the Bohra community has recognised that the Syedna has provided a practical solution,” said Abdeali. “But the support is not in large numbers; there is fear of social boycott (ex-communication by the clergy if they openly support the rival group).”

Some Bohras think that Fakhruddin’s statements may not win him many followers. “He is not getting any sympathy. After all, he is the product of the same authoritarian system which is not appealing to many people in the community,” said Saifuddin Insaf, a member of the reformist group, which does not recognise the clergy

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by sugguma » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:25 am

Dumbledore wrote:The blog has been taken down...

She clearly writes... "this time you guys win"


The blog has not been removed. It can also be found at the links below:

https://ekhwan.wordpress.com/2016/02/17 ... odi-bohra/

http://www.fuambaisiaahmadu.com/blog/gu ... da-mustafa

This is her Linkedin profile link:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/rashida-mustafa-34954510

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by sugguma » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:14 am

Female genital mutilation appeal: Dawoodi Bohra sect launches attack on judge over sheik’s imprisonment

Read article in The Daily Telegraph or Perth News linked below:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... b5161fc410


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/female- ... b5161fc410

"A FORMER sheik who is the first person in Australia to be jailed in relation to female genital mutilation is unrepentant with his Muslim sect releasing an appalling statement describing his imprisonment as a “travesty of justice”.

The legal team for Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziri, 59, is preparing to appeal against his 11-month jail sentence challenging Supreme Court Justice Peter Johnson’s determination that the Muslim sect’s practise of cutting the prepuce (the fold of skin around the clitoris) of seven-year-old girls was in fact female genital mutilation.

In an offensive personal attack on Justice Johnson the usually reclusive Indian-based sect the Dawoodi Bohra accused him of “engineering convictions” against Vaziri and two of his female followers, “despite having no evidence of injury”.

Vaziri was found guilty by a Supreme Court jury of being an accessory after the fact to female genital mutilation by urging his Sydney congregation to lie to police by saying they did not circumcise young girls.

But now that he has been convicted his sect is defending the procedure called “khatna” which he had previously denied, claiming it is not “mutilation”.

“Until this trial, the religious procedure, which had been practised for at least 1400 years, had never been legally tested. Given the findings of the medical professionals (which found no sign of injury to the girls) it is difficult to understand how the word “mutilation” should have been applied to this procedure,” a statement read.

A Supreme Court trial last year heard the girls’ mother arranged for her daughters to undergo the procedures when they were aged six and seven on two different occasions in Wollongong and in Sydney between October 2009 and August 2012.

A retired nurse Kubra Magennis, 72, performed the procedure on the two girls. Subsequent medical examinations of the two girls showed no scarring.

Both women were convicted by a jury of female genital mutilation and sentenced last week to 11 months home detention.

Justice Johnson had indicated Vaziri would also be sentenced to 11 months home detention because of his poor health but in a surprise reversal last week he jailed him instead saying he had to “send a strong message to male Dawoodi Bohra religious leaders”.

The shock jailing came after the sect’s world leader in India Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin appeared to tell thousands of followers during a broadcast sermon that they should continue the practise known as “khatna”.

A Dawoodi Bohra spokesman described the sentence as a “travesty of justice,” making an uncorroborated claim that the trial had “devastated the lives” of the two girls who were compelled to give evidence against their mother.

“(Justice Johnson’s) desire to leave his legacy and send messages beyond Australia prevailed over his duty to seek justice,” the spokesman asserted.

Appeals will also be lodged against the convictions of Ms Magennis and the girls’ mother."
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by sugguma » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:20 am

A rebellion inside a small Indian sect seeks to end a brutal custom: female genital mutilation

Read news report in The Los Angeles Times on how.....

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg ... story.html

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:44 am

People in LA and surrounding should contact Jaweed Kaleem, he is a Reporter at LA Times, previously he was a Religious Reporter for
Huffington Post and Miami Herald and talk to him about money laundering too.
jkaleem@latimes.com

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by tipu sultan » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:06 am

received by what's app.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion ... a378960063

Australian media demands their Prime Minister takes action on radical Islam and in same article links Dawoodi Bohra to radical ideology
Had a Catholic or Anglican leader made a claim half as offensive, feminists and most of the media would have never let them live it down. Nor does any religion deserve to emerge unscathed after one of its senior figures — Shabbir Mohammedbhai Vaziriwas, leader of the Dawoodi Bohra Islamic sect in Sydney — was jailed this week as an accessory to the female genital mutilation of two girls, aged six and seven. Feminists’ silence on such subjugation is shameful.

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:37 pm

tipu sultan wrote: Feminists’ silence on such subjugation is shameful.
its not just the feminists. our entire bohra community has preferred to remain quiet and privately condone the practice of fgm, driving it deeper underground.

this is not surprising, as the community, perhaps in a mix of reactions, is either fearful, ignorant, cowardly and intimidated to follow or else. in any case, what is most disappointing and disheartening is that we, the reformers, are trying to help those who do not want to help themselves. with such an attitude, slavery would never have been abolished and even the age of jahiliyya would not have been dispelled by islam.

i wonder what would wake the cowardly bohras from their stupor? i have often been told by ortho fanatics "leave us alone, we are very happy the way we are, who are you to force us to change?"

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:25 pm

'No-one would marry me unless I had FGM'

Article on BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36598478

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:01 pm

Bohra Chief Mufaddal criticized in UK Parliament, for encouraging barbaric practice of female Khatna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK5zXe0Bz7k

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by tipu sultan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:03 am

The economist famous media supports Dawoodi Bohra form of FGM

The Economist prompts outrage as it backs 'minor FGM'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -minor-fgm

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 ... me-try-new

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:40 am

FGM campaigner Fahma Mohamed to receive honorary doctorate
Nineteen-year-old who led Guardian-backed campaign against the practice to be awarded doctor of law by Bristol University

Kudos to Fahma Mohammed

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -doctorate

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:01 pm

18 August 2016 - 15H05
Russian mufti calls for genital mutilation of all women

http://www.france24.com/en/20160818-rus ... -all-women


Local news

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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:46 pm

‘A Small Nick or Cut, they say’ – a short video produced by Love Matters India and written and directed by Sahiyo co-founder Priya Goswami. The film features Dawoodi Bohra women and men speaking, boldly and earnestly, about the need to end Khatna, or Type I Female Genital Cutting.


youtu.be/A5F6OT5vwwY


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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:16 am

so what ever his abba and chacha did for ages was unislamic

well there are many others things which is chacha did was unislamic...

https://thewire.in/106134/fakhruddin-fgm-khafz-dawoodi/


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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Reporter » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:53 pm

Some Reformists support practice of Khatna:

A voice of dissent against the ban came from Gazanfer Okasa, the general secretary of the Bohra Youth Association.

A few murmurs of dissent rose at the 15th All World Dawoodi Bohra Conference in Udaipur as the topic of validity of the practice of female genital mutilation (FGM) or khatna came up on Sunday. Surprisingly, one of the voices of opposition was that of a woman — lecturer Farida Shah. “This is an old tradition and the practice has gone down,” said Shah, adding: “It shouldn’t be a matter of discussion anymore as it is dying a natural death.”


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-vo ... ow-2351755

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:28 am

I Rizwan wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:32 am
Darus sakina was gifted by burhanuddin to Qutbuddin.

so how burhanuddin got money to buy that property? did he had any legitimate business? how did burhanuddin got saify mahal?
Bhai kabhi kabhi apne posts mein facts bhi istemal kar lijiye. Rizzy's posts are so devoid of facts, he puts our orange president to shame.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Biradar » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:59 am

kimanumanu wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:06 am
Just curious I Rizwan, are you saying these things against the Qutbuddin family because you have facts on them or are you just making accusations and painting them with the same brush as the rest of his now estranged family? This family has taken a stand and going by the ramblings of SMS and his kothar, this family has been a thorn for a good number of years even during SMB's lifetime. Does that not make you wonder if they are indeed as dirty as you are trying to paint them? Why would they be a thorn and a "dushman" if they had the same interests?
"I Rizwan" is the resident baboon. He is an expert in screeching, screaming and flinging his own feces around. Ignoring him is the best option. Remember, you can't argue with monkeys.

Incidentally, he keeps making IDs here and every single time his simian personality shines through by his words.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:10 pm

:lol: fatemi dawat got frustrated reading truth?

calm down guys you are all free to follow anyone you like, but just dont dream to be in haq and what ever, muffy and qutbi are just ek thali ke baigan.

good luck with your dreams to be in jannat following these thieves.. :wink:

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:22 pm

As long as you I RIZWAN is not going to be there, we will all be happy. Don't worry about is. Worry about yourself. If you can tick so many of us here on earth, why would any one not be happy in heaven without you lol.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:15 am

I Rizwan wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:10 pm
:lol: fatemi dawat got frustrated reading truth?

calm down guys you are all free to follow anyone you like, but just dont dream to be in haq and what ever, muffy and qutbi are just ek thali ke baigan.

good luck with your dreams to be in jannat following these thieves.. :wink:
The truth may well be somewhere in the middle. It is absolutely correct that there were part of the ruling establishment and make their money from the salaams/wajebaat and other tilth (voluntary and often coerced) from Bohras. STS may have given money to SKQ, and that is still originally community money – certainly STS did not earn it.

However, STF was born in 1967, 2 years after STS passed away. Blaming him now in 2017 for STS is not fair. Yes, all the money for their education, lifestyle, starting their business, all of it is likely from this community. But at least, they took It and went and did business, not coerce the community for more money (like the kothar and some of the children of SMB and the others from the STS family). And they used the community money for education, but they got good education and still work and contribute back. That is credible.

In short, the original and substantial money is from the Bohra people. Blaming children and grandchildren for that .. okay .. but you should balance it with the current actions of those people. If they wanted more money, they could have taken the offers from QJ and SMS and gone away with a lot more money. But SKQ did not, as brother kimanumanu points out above, and in my opinion he deserves credit and respect for that.

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A separate question but on the related topic is about why we should support SKQ and now STF. There are people who say: why should we stick our neck out for them, when they did not speak up for the community before?

It is true that they did not at least openly speak up for the community – the social boycott the people went thru, all the other really bad things that the reformists went thru, all the other forced wajebaats, etc. Fine, they will have to answer for their actions, or the lack thereof. If they were not guilty of commission, they certainly were guilty of omission (keeping quiet publicly for all the stuff that went on for the past 20-30 years).

Why should we now support them? If a person does not believe that they are right (about the nass), they should not. For those who believe that the nass was done on SKQ, and that in the matter of nass SKQ was likely speaking the truth, THEY SHOULD SUPPORT stf FOR THEIR OWN AKERAAT.

Allah Taala says in the Quran at many places that we should stand up for truth and justice and against the oppressed and against those who lie. There are so many verses, I am sure the folks here know many more, but I will quote a few below.

[9-119] Al Tawah “O you who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true [in word and deeds]” – this and all translations below are from Abdullah Yusuf Ali.

In short, we should support SKQ for our own akheraat, and whether that helps the numbers for FD or not is incidental and small compared to the fact that we will have to answer to our Lord and Cherisher.

Sura Hud 11-18-19: “ Who does more wrong than invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say. “They are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! The curse of Allah is on those who do wrong!-
Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: These were They who denied the Hereafter!”


And the general and comprehensive admonition in the 1st verse of Sura Al Maidah 5-1 “O ye who believe! Fulfil all obligations

[Certainly an obligation has to be to support the truth and stand against lies.]

In short, if we believe that we have to return to our Lord and will have to answer to him, and that SKQ is right about nass (and not everything else, just the matter of nass, which decides the next dai), we should support SKQ for OUR OWN AKHERAT, with the sole niyat of seeking the pleasure of Allah in standing for the truth. I hope that is clear.

Now I wish fatemi dawat folks would make arguments based on the book of Allah and the authentic hadith, but it appears that sadly they talk a lot more about a (hidden) imam and not as much about Allah and his Rasul. Also, a recent article by Abdeali Saifuddin in Sijjil talked of the great sacrifices of SMB (not clear to me what those sacrifices were), and of the sacrifices of SKQ saheb (I buy that somewhat, as I mentioned above), and the sacrifices of STF (again, not clear which ones? The dice was cast by the time he became the dai. stf had no choice but to oppose Muffadal Saifuddin BS). I wish they would go more towards: If you think SKQ is right, support him for your own akherat and for the pleasure of Allah.

That is why, bhai Rizwan and others, you should support STF if you think SKQ is right.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:04 am

for some weird reasons all andh bhakts.

from modi andh bhakt to muffy and then taheri andh bhakt.

they have no spine to go and ask questions to their masters, and if truth is shown they start getting frustrated.

go and ask your master taher who gifted darus sakina?

was it from burhanuddin? yes no? if yes then where did the money come from?

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:07 am

you are fighting cases for properties, but you fail to realize these properties is not your baap ki jaagir.

this is public property, all masjid/markaz.madressa is people property, you have no rights on it.

in fact judge should take away saify mahal and all other such properties which were originally belonged to common bohras and later on these snakes snatched it away.