Dawoodi Bohra Forum

jawanmardan,

As I said before, idols may be important to you. They are not to me. The first thing the prophet did after returning to Mecca was destroy the centuries old idols inside the Kaaba. He didn't care about their cultural significance. But why am I wasting my time with an Ismaili?

Why am I wasting my time with an ignorant philistine, let’s call it a night.

Originally posted by anajmi:
idols may be important to you. They are not to me. The first thing the prophet did after returning to Mecca was destroy the centuries old idols inside the Kaaba. He didn't care about their cultural significance.

This comes from a guy who throws rocks at pillars, kisses stones, prays toward man made structures, and circumambulates around them !

Incidentally Jawanmardan, a "philistine" is about an accurate a description as I have come across for this life form on this board.

Average,

Throwing rocks at a pillar is symbolic. The pillars represent evil. I could imagine that I am throwing rocks at an Average Moron while performing the symbolic gesture.

Originally posted by anajmi:
Average,

Throwing rocks at a pillar is symbolic. The pillars represent evil. I could imagine that I am throwing rocks at an Average Moron while performing the symbolic gesture.

How about destroying this symbol of evil also. Then there would be no need to throw rocks or anything else for that matter. You would definitely save some lives there. No rush to be the first to throw the rocks at the evil, no trampling of week and old.

Originally posted by Anajmi:

Culture, Idols etc etc might be more important to the likes of you, but a human life is more important to me.

Lying through your teeth once again Anajmi? Since when a human life has become more important to you? Remember Danyal Ali. You had no mercy or compassion for that little kid, so why change of heart now?

Oh by the way, how is the new baby doing? Hope well. May Allah shelter him/her. My regards, nevertheless.

Pardesi

pardesi,

Danyal Ali died because your living Imam let him die. Your Imam did nothing to save his life, even though he has so much money to spend on parties and horse races, he couldn't spare an extra $10 to save Danyal Ali's life. Besides, he is supposed to be the Imam, he could've saved his life with a phook or something. Maybe you should start throwing rocks at your Imam.

The baby is fine. Thank you for your concern.

On April 19, 2004, in an interview to a Pakistani journalist Mohammad Shehzad, Mullah Mohammad Omar said the following, "I did not want to destroy the Bamyan Buddha. In fact, some foreigners came to me and said they would like to conduct the "repair work of the Bamyan Buddha that had been slightly damaged due to rains. This shocked me. I thought, these callous people have no regard for thousands of living human beings — the Afghans who are dying of hunger, but they are so concerned about non-living objects like the Buddha. This was extremely deplorable. That is why I ordered its destruction. Had they come for humanitarian work, I would have never ordered the Buddhas' destruction"

This is idiotic, stupid, ignorant, incomprehensible, sensless, and horrendeous. But what can you expect from a man like mulla omer and osama laden.

Anajmi you shold thank god, that you are not living in their world.

accty,

So you think that it is more important to restore the non-living buddha statues than do humanitarian work in Afghanistan?

Originally posted by anajmi:
pardesi,

Danyal Ali died because your living Imam let him die. Your Imam did nothing to save his life, even though he has so much money to spend on parties and horse races, he couldn't spare an extra $10 to save Danyal Ali's life. Besides, he is supposed to be the Imam, he could've saved his life with a phook or something. Maybe you should start throwing rocks at your Imam.

You completely missed the point I was trying to make. Thats not new! Danyal did not die because of your or anyone's failure to donate. He did not die because of shortage of funds for his treatment. He died because that was his fate. The point is that an opportunity was presented to you to share in a noble cause and you opposed it and therefore did not earn any sawab for your "akhira". Thats fine with me. My problem is that after acting like an *ss on the subject of Danyal you claim to be concerned about a human life. Make up your mind. There are a lot of people on this forum who did not donate anything to Danyal's fund and I dont try to remind them about it because they are not two faced about it like yourself. Aga Khan or the Ismailis are not in Phook business unlike most of your co-religionists. Visit Pakistan or India or even Africa you will find your statement applied to general muslim populas and not Ismailis.

If you are so concerned about the human life in general, let me hear you condemn your fundamentalist/hardline mullahs. How about condemning the Taliban for killing indiscriminately their own brothers. How about condemning the recent killings of the Pakistani soldiers in the border areas of Pak/Afghan by these same militants. The same Pakistani soldiers, I hear, refuse to fight their brothers in Islam. How about condemning the Lal Masjid brigade and their leaders for taking the matters into their own hands to impose sharia law in Pakistan.

Instead of dragging Aga Khan into almost every post of yours, how about looking into the mirror first and apply the same allegations to yourself.

Killing an innocent is just like mass killing in Islam. I believe not trying to save one is also like killing. You are not "concerned" who lives and who dies. You just love to pretent.

May Allah guide you away from "me right and you wrong" mentality.

Salaam.

So how about destroying the pillars that are symbol of evil. After all they are idols too.

I believe the Buddha statues could have been saved and used for throwing rocks at them too. But then it would have created competition between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. That would never happen.

pardesi,

Now you are comparing apples and oranges, but that is probably because you don't know the difference between the two. I won't waste my time trying to explain it to you.

Also, there is a difference between throwing rocks at idols and worshipping idols. But you probably don't know the difference in that either. Try wasting you time in a jamatkhana instead of over here. That way, I won't have to bring your living Imam in everyone of my posts.

let me just briefly append mullah omar's history. A third rate jihadist picked up by ISI, to form taliban and control afghanistan. His education was nil, even he is not a graduate of any deeni madrasa. he did attain some madrasa in NWFP, but never graduated.

He along with bin laden commandered the massacre of thousands of shia hazaras, uzbeks and tajiks including women and children. He destroyed the whole country by his ignorant views of islam. He destroyed schools, hospitals, roads, food crops, and business. tajiks, uzbeks are not even shias, they are sunnis. But due to his pathan ethnic mentality he killed as many of them as he could. How would you categorize such a person even according to your twisted islamic morality.

what good and welfare he brought to afghanistan. none, nothing. he was and is an evil man, and inshallah will meet his fate for his karmas.

Anajmi Says:
"there is a difference between throwing rocks at idols and worshipping idols."

And what about kissing a stone and praying facing the stone. If you come out from your prejudice mind you will see no difference between worshipping and symbolic.

Hey Anajmi,
Did you know that during those times the Prophet p.b.u.h and His Caliphs travelled the paths with donkeys and camels, and as sure i am of you being a firm believer in carrying out deeds that took place during those medievel times, you too travel by a donkey and or a camel!! after all the great prophet
p.b.u.h destroyed all idols and statues. on a seriuos thought , people with your type of an intolerant, Talebani attitude is just what is destroying Islam from what it really is, a tolerant, compassionate and progressive faith. You people are very unhappy in your hearts, you cannot rest until you utter "laanats" and curses towards other human beings if they dont look like yourselves, you people are filled with hatred. Look at the state of Muslims in the world, Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya, Phillipines, Indonesia, just to name a few. Why is it that God has chosen Muslims to be the brunt of disasters? from Tsunami to earthquakes to wars.......... Maybe He is trying to tell you idiots to mend your ways. Pray with pure hearts, not hatred, only then may things change. By the way, how much money did your Saudi benefactors provide the affected in the tsunami and the Pakistan earthquake? ZERO!!! How much did the Agakhan Developmewnt network provide?
100M Dollars!!
Did i see any Saudi or ANY Arab volunteers helping out with the cause? ZERO!! the Agakhan network had 1000 volunteers in the air/ground. That my ignorant friend is true assistance to Mankind!! While some were romancing their donkeys and camels, the AKDN had a network of volunteers worldwide active in helping the displaced. So Anajmi, if you dont know, kindly choose another subject because there is nothing beneficial we are learning from your posts, just pure VENOM.

Though non ismaili, i really appreciate the work AKDN is doing in various places.

The talibani/jehadis/wahabbis are all from Muawiya/Yezid's lineage and real enemies of islam.

They never had any respect for islamic teachings and joined/remained in muslim community just to take revenge and to get a bad name.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alislam:
[QB]Though non ismaili, i really appreciate the work AKDN is doing in various places.

The talibani/jehadis/wahabbis are all from Muawiya/Yezid's lineage and real enemies of islam.

I also appre all that AKDN does.Excellent work.Thank you.
Niether do I go with the Talibans/Jehadis/wahabbis.
But please refrain from labeling others WITH LINEAGES. They are muslims and that is it.
We as muslims have to bear with all and so too the rest of mankind.
All types of people exist in all religions.

Like the what the subject title says:
Who will Give Up Criticizing Other Sects?

Let us make a beginning.

accty,

I asked you a simple question

So you think that it is more important to restore the non-living buddha statues than do humanitarian work in Afghanistan?

I do not want a history lesson on mullah umar.

turbonut,

The state of the muslims in the world is bad because their living Imams are too busy horse racing.

No Anajmi,
The state of islam in the world is in sorry state because Idiots like the Mullahs in mosques brainwash their flock with hatred and venom against all others. NO one like muslims in the world . do you know why? Its because of people like yourself who has no tolerance towards others religions. The Muslim ummah is doomed forever due to that. Lack of education within the community is like cancer. Look at India, and then look at Pakistan. Why is India like the most in North America and not Pakistan. Because India produces more educated professionals than Pakistan. Pakistan produces little Jihadis. I have seen it with my own eyes. In a mosque in toronto, i once saw a 5 year old with a green bandana with Arabic inscriptions. So i ask the father what that bandana meant. Do you know the answer? "i will die for Islam". WOW!! when kids that age are taught love and tolerance i saw a jihadi in the making. That Anajmi is the reason islam and its sorry state. I told the father that he and his family can serve their cause more by living in Pakistan, he looked at me funnily. "are you kidding?"
Yeah use the Canadians for their hospitality and deride them at the same time. I would deport the lot. I firmly believe that ANY one wishing harm on my country Canada and its people shall be dealt with severely. I dont want these barbaric fanatic lunatics in my midst. GO back to where you came from.
There are 17 fanatics awaiting trial in canada at the moment. Oh how proud they must have made you. wanting to behead the PM in parliament!! the rotten lot. That is the reason Islam is in its sorry state. Anajmi i can go on and on. i have barely scratched the surface. Should you want to have more clarification please ask for more.....

turbonut,

I know you can go on and on. Infact I wanted you to go on and on. I wanted to expose people to how tolerant you are. You are a model for tolerance. God help us if we are to learn tolerance from the likes of you. People like you should keep your mouth shut. When you talk about "hatred" and "venom" of others, at least pretend not to show it in your own posts. I don't think I will be learning any "tolerance" from you today. I've wasted enough of my time.

Dear LOSER anajmi,
I guess you are nor intelligent enough to get it? you can remain an idiot all your life. Be a wahabbi, produce more offspring jihadis whose lives will only be miserable, for you are one sad soul. You cannot rest until you spew your garbage towards others. i have no problem with your religious ( only religious) path, infact i only have respect for my fellow muslims. i have problems when you criticize the way i pray to God. Now if you are so stupid to comprehend why you zealots are despised the world over, then you are doomed.

It appears that both of you are not followers of Allah and His Prophets since you are invoking "ya ali madad".

M. First both of us (Pro-Pig and I) are followers of Allah.

We say “Ya Ali Madad” because allah asked us to say that in Quran. Here is the Ayah


O' Prophet (Muhammad SAW) Allah is sufficient for you and for the believers who follow you.


When we say Ya Ali Madad we say so, because we believe that Ali is Allah’s bounty to man kind. So when we say Ya Ali Madad, we are seeking help from Allah and only Allah and no one else.

I can give the same argument based on the above ayah that M.First is not the follower of Allah because he is not saying Ya Ali Madad.

But I am not going to give the above argument, because I have been taught not only my interpretation of Islam but also many other interpretations of Islam.

Thought I am not a believer of the exact same interpretation of Islam as yours, but I do respect it. Quran and Prophet Muhammad have taught us that it’s only Allah who can judge the faith and not anyone else.


22: 18. As to those who believe, and the Jews and the Sabians, and the Christians, and the Magians and the idolaters; verily, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, Allah watches over all things.


May be he will judge all of us as followers of correct path. Neither I nor you follow mine/your interpretation of Islam because I/you feel it is wrong or it is against Allah. Both of us follow what we are following because both of us believe that we are believing in Allah the all mighty.

I think its Allah’s duty to show the correct path to human being. Allah is showing me Ismaili path and to you he is showing Sunni path, then the chances are we both are right.

I think, we should appreciate what is common in both of us than to blame each other for that which is not common. And for sure there is way more similarity in both of us than differences.

"On April 19, 2004, in an interview to a Pakistani journalist Mohammad Shehzad, Mullah Mohammad Omar said the following, "I did not want to destroy the Bamyan Buddha. In fact, some foreigners came to me and said they would like to conduct the repair work of the Bamyan Buddha that had been slightly damaged due to rains. This shocked me. I thought, these callous people have no regard for thousands of living human beings — the Afghans who are dying of hunger, but they are so concerned about non-living objects like the Buddha. This was extremely deplorable. That is why I ordered its destruction. Had they come for humanitarian work, I would have never ordered the Buddhas' destruction"

So does this mean that the mullah wud have allowed humantarian work or to set up a tourism centre to promote tourism in that area to provide for jobs for the afghanis that he supposedly care for!!!....the afghanis are in this mess becuz of the taliban....n its this righteous taliban which is responsible for the large quantity of drugs been grown in the fields of afghanistan!!!!....really anajmi i hope ur only defending the taliban jus to save face on this argument ...not becuz u really believe the taliban to be "islamic"....

"I do not care what you guys on this message board consider me. I am here to defend Allah, his message and his messenger. In that regard I do not care if I insult everyone on this board which, in fact, I have already done; and I am ever ready to insult all comers yet more. My dear fellow Wahhabi, Muslim First, like Mulla Omar, is an exception. He always makes sense. I would never insult them. And I have the Yusufali translation with me; that is what Quran is for me. I will ignore snide comment that Yusufali is the only approved official Wahhabi translation.

Even after nearly 5000 posts, you guys have not seen the light. If Prophet can suffer all the ill-treatment by the kuffar, then I am willing to suffer the same.

Now, I try to hide my Wahhabism by often declaring that I am not a Wahhabi. And always make it a point to occassionally insult Saudis. (As you know, I can teach all of you a thing or two about throwing insults). That way I can dupe you guys. With your low intelligence, you will not be able to make out my true colors."

Originally posted by anajmi:

turbonut,

The state of the muslims in the world is bad because their living Imams are too busy horse racing.

If by "Imams" you are actually referring to Shia Imams, whether Ithna-Asheri, Bohra or Nizari, then you are wrong. The Shias have always excelled in knowledge, religious or secular, and have prospered when left alone. They have produced Intellectuals, scientists, sufis etc. who have been an asset to Islam.

I believe the reason for the sorry state of muslims, not Islam, is because they are not united. They can hardly agree on anything - from interpretations to leadership. They have always needed some leader who would manhandle them - usurpers of power and property. Other than a few over the centuries I can not think of any muslim leader who were genuinely interested in the wellbeing of their subjects. The history of muslim ummah is full of violence since the time right after the passing away of the Holy prophet. The usurping of power started right after him and has continued till this very day. We can not blame any outsider for the state of muslims today either as we must eliminate the faults within ourselves and only then we will be able to stand up to outsiders armed with knowledge and intelligence, morals and tolerance and not with a kalashnikovs or suicide murderers.

By the way horse racing is a sunnah of our beloved prophet. Have we not exhausted this subject with long arguments some time back?

My horse racing Imam spends more time for the well being of human beings than any of your greedy leaders combined. Then again, can you name some of your leaders actually doing philanthropic work, Mr. Anajmi? When my Imam speaks, the world listens and even your leaders in the muslim communities lend an ear. He does not cut his work short because of criticism from idiots like you and I am sure there are a lot more like you out there who can't see a person they consider a Kafir doing what they should be doing in the first place.

You do not have to accept him as your Imam but atleast appreciate his vision and leadership which is benefiting. If you can not appreciate, atleast learn from him and do it yourself. And if you do not have the courage and means to do it yourself, step aside and let others do it for you. Like they say "if you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch".

You also did not answer, how will you categorize a murderer.

Restoring budha's statue had nothing to do with the sorry affair of afghan people. which was the result of mullah omer and his cronies atrocities. Budha is the reminder of a compassionate being, who had and is inspiring billions around the world. Let me ask you one question, one rare islamic book is found in dilapidated condition in combodia, a budhist country . whose people are starving. One islamic charity wants to reinstate the work. what should budhist combodians do.

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But what is more important. Obviously the Buddha statues. Why? Because we are all idol worshippers.