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Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:35 am
by profastian
1) People who do not want to pay wajebats but enjoy all the food and facilities
2) People who do no want to follow sharia, keep beard, pay zakat
3) Wanna be activist, desperate to find a cause where there is none.
4) Wanna be aalims snubbed by the Syedna for their giant egos.
5) People corrupted by deobandis and wahabis ideals.
6) People vying for the piece of the power.
7) People who are too dumb, and who get bored during the ilmi majilis.
8 ) People who had some sort of fight with the local jamaat members or amils and in their ignorance blame the DAI.
9) Educated people (by degrees but in reality jahils) who consider themselves free thinkers and would have eventually snubbed whatever faith or denomination they had been born into. Such people can be found across all religions and faiths.
10) People born into a reformist household or having a reformist parent.


Engineer - Category 3
Raj - Category 4
AZ - Category 8
Anajmi - Category 5

Abdes and proggies please chip in with more categorization :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:57 am
by aziz
there is only one category and that is that they all hate the dai il mutlaq. all other categories mentioned fall in this category .
it does not matter who the dai is or what he does bottom line is that they have adawat in their hearts which will never go.
this type of people existed during the time of Adam as and all other ambiyas and nabis. even Mohamed rasullah sa had such people as his enemies who are known then imams had such progs so it should not surprise anyone if they are there today cause iblis was given freedom till day of Qayamat by Allah and his followers will always be there in different categories as put by MN but again bottom line all dushman

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:15 am
by aqs
11) people who want a easy way out. In the name of freedom its freedom from religion itself.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:59 am
by stranger
profastian wrote:1) People who do not want to pay wajebats but enjoy all the food and facilities
2) People who do no want to follow sharia, keep beard, pay zakat
3) Wanna be activist, desperate to find a cause where there is none.
4) Wanna be aalims snubbed by the Syedna for their giant egos.
5) People corrupted by deobandis and wahabis ideals.
6) People vying for the piece of the power.
7) People who are too dumb, and who get bored during the ilmi majilis.
8 ) People who had some sort of fight with the local jamaat members or amils and in their ignorance blame the DAI.
9) Educated people (by degrees but in reality jahils) who consider themselves free thinkers and would have eventually snubbed whatever faith or denomination they had been born into. Such people can be found across all religions and faiths.
10) People born into a reformist household or having a reformist parent.


Engineer - Category 3
Raj - Category 4
AZ - Category 8
Anajmi - Category 5

Abdes and proggies please chip in with more categorization :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
FearAllah - Category 7 :mrgreen:

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:28 am
by fearAllah
profastian wrote:1) People who do not want to pay wajebats but enjoy all the food and facilities
2) People who do no want to follow sharia, keep beard, pay zakat
3) Wanna be activist, desperate to find a cause where there is none.
4) Wanna be aalims snubbed by the Syedna for their giant egos.
5) People corrupted by deobandis and wahabis ideals.
6) People vying for the piece of the power.
7) People who are too dumb, and who get bored during the ilmi majilis.
8 ) People who had some sort of fight with the local jamaat members or amils and in their ignorance blame the DAI.
9) Educated people (by degrees but in reality jahils) who consider themselves free thinkers and would have eventually snubbed whatever faith or denomination they had been born into. Such people can be found across all religions and faiths.
10) People born into a reformist household or having a reformist parent.


Engineer - Category 3
Raj - Category 4
AZ - Category 8
Anajmi - Category 5

Abdes and proggies please chip in with more categorization :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Bhagwan Burhannudin - Category 1

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:37 am
by SBM
aqs wrote:11) people who want a easy way out. In the name of freedom its freedom from religion itself.
People who want a easy way out and not fight corruption and un-Islamic practices and run away from Ahl-Ul-Bayt's way of life---COWARD Category
People who do not fear Allah but fear a human being and his goons TOP CATEGORY of HYPOCRITES

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:21 am
by SBM
mustafanalwalla wrote:
SBM wrote: People who want a easy way out and not fight corruption and un-Islamic practices and run away from Ahl-Ul-Bayt's way of life---COWARD Category
People who do not fear Allah but fear a human being and his goons TOP CATEGORY of HYPOCRITES

Who said we fear Syedna? We dont. We love him.

As for his goons, well, we dont fear them, we just tolerate them because we have to all live together.

You dont fear them, but you still go to them to pay your waajebaat and sabeel right. You dont go out of fear but merely to avoid inconveniences. Same here (but this time, i speak only for myself)
This posting has to be a joke, You do not fear the Goons, and you pay Wajebaats to avoid inconveniences, in Islam there should be no inconveniences due to Monetary consideration. glad you speak for yourself :roll:

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:40 am
by porus
aqs wrote:11) people who want a easy way out. In the name of freedom its freedom from religion itself.
I would leave out the first sentence and make the second sentence a worthwhile goal for everyone, not just the proggies. That is "Freedom from religion". And it is not an "easy way out", That is why most people are stuck in it.

I am referring to religion as an organized set of dogmas and a system of authority and control by priesthood. In the case of the Bohras, priesthood is not amorphous but can be identified as the Royal Family. However, this is not what Religion actually is.

Religion, as can be gleaned from the world's scriptures, is an expression of a human yearning for 'transcendental' or, if you like, God. The priesthood has successfully tapped into this yearning and made exploitation of it into a vulgar art, first by expropriating the claims to esoteric knowledge all for themselves and secondly, to sell that knowledge in exchange for slavery, making their slaves observe pointless rituals for glorification of the priesthood.

Quran has warned us against priesthood and it has its own prescription for approaching transcendence. Like Yoga, Nirvana, Satori, Christ Consciousness etc, Islam hints at it. It is 'Taawil'. No, it is not the travesty that was uttered by the Alavi Madhoon. It is a method not for slavery but for ultimate freedom, an excellent goal from freedom from what passes for religion for everyone.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:41 pm
by seeker110
In the beginning God created Dai.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:48 pm
by aziz
like i said before all fall in one category that is dawat na dushman just like iblis who was dushman of adam as dawat,some cloak themselves as concerned with sajda ,others money, others matam,some with kothar,some with freedom from sharia, beards, ridas, and all have different cloaks but bottom line all are dushmano.

all this thought comes from the fact that they hate the dai il mutlaq and have to have a reason for this hatred to be justified,and whatever moula tus does because this hatred the goalposts will be shifted and another reason will be found for the hatred to continue

but as said before this is nothing new dushmanos have been there since adam as and will be there till sahebul qayamat ,
dawat will continue on and on

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:48 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
seeker110 wrote:In the beginning God created Dai.
correct! he then made him haqiqi kaaba, qurane natiq and ghaib na maalik, before the kaaba was actually built, the quran was sent and anything else was created.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:50 pm
by ConscĂ­ous
seeker110 wrote:In the beginning God created Dai.
For sure :mrgreen:

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:33 pm
by profastian
porus wrote:
aqs wrote:11) people who want a easy way out. In the name of freedom its freedom from religion itself.
I would leave out the first sentence and make the second sentence a worthwhile goal for everyone, not just the proggies. That is "Freedom from religion". And it is not an "easy way out", That is why most people are stuck in it.

I am referring to religion as an organized set of dogmas and a system of authority and control by priesthood. In the case of the Bohras, priesthood is not amorphous but can be identified as the Royal Family. However, this is not what Religion actually is.

Religion, as can be gleaned from the world's scriptures, is an expression of a human yearning for 'transcendental' or, if you like, God. The priesthood has successfully tapped into this yearning and made exploitation of it into a vulgar art, first by expropriating the claims to esoteric knowledge all for themselves and secondly, to sell that knowledge in exchange for slavery, making their slaves observe pointless rituals for glorification of the priesthood.

Quran has warned us against priesthood and it has its own prescription for approaching transcendence. Like Yoga, Nirvana, Satori, Christ Consciousness etc, Islam hints at it. It is 'Taawil'. No, it is not the travesty that was uttered by the Alavi Madhoon. It is a method not for slavery but for ultimate freedom, an excellent goal from freedom from what passes for religion for everyone.
Conned that from the spiritualist handbook?

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:36 pm
by seeker110
If you ever read one :)

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:07 pm
by SBM
]profastian
Conned that from the spiritualist handbook?
How would you know, if you do not know the difference between Wajebaat and Sabil which any kothari fearing abde should know.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:36 pm
by seeker110
See there is a false bottom in the tejori,but it all goes in the same tejore.Now guard it with your life.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:38 am
by aqs
SBM wrote:
aqs wrote:11) people who want a easy way out. In the name of freedom its freedom from religion itself.
People who want a easy way out and not fight corruption and un-Islamic practices and run away from Ahl-Ul-Bayt's way of life---COWARD Category
People who do not fear Allah but fear a human being and his goons TOP CATEGORY of HYPOCRITES
Br. SBM,

and how will we categories people who come to this forum and rant against Syedna(tus) and Kothar but go back to being a Ejamaat carrying member. Surely one of the category of Profastian befits them.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:58 am
by anajmi
A few more categories of the proggies.

1) Those who want to follow Islam as taught by the prophet (saw).
2) Those who do not want to fold their hands in front of a mortal.
3) Those who do not want to bow down in front of a mortal who himself is bent.
4) Those who do not want to do sajda to anyone other than Allah.
5) Those who want to ensure that their zakat and sadaqa goes to helping the needy and not towards the luxurious living of a few parasites.
6) Those who raise their voice against oppression.
7) Those who do not want to subject themselves to humiliation at the hands of parasites.
8 Those who believe that accountability is a noose tied around the neck of even the prophets as to how they spent what was given to them.
9) Those who believe that on the day of judgement only Allah will have the final word.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:09 am
by SBM
aqs wrote:
SBM wrote: People who want a easy way out and not fight corruption and un-Islamic practices and run away from Ahl-Ul-Bayt's way of life---COWARD Category
People who do not fear Allah but fear a human being and his goons TOP CATEGORY of HYPOCRITES
Br. SBM,

and how will we categories people who come to this forum and rant against Syedna(tus) and Kothar but go back to being a Ejamaat carrying member. Surely one of the category of Profastian befits them.
Br. Aqs: welcome back and that category will be Gandhian Category who want to bring changes by staying in the fold and bravely standing up against corruption, tyranny and all the thing Gandhi did to bring freedom to Indian Masses, don't you agree?

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:14 am
by SBM
mustafanalwalla wrote:@ SBM

Do you not do the same too?

Tell you what, why dont you stop paying waajebat and Sabil. Stand up to them and tell them that you arent going to do it if you have the guts, and face whatever comes your way like a man.

If you dont have the courage to do it, then the joke is on you.
And how do you know that I did not do it? For your information I did that and after a lull of couple of years, I was invited back and I still attend Majaalis and pay wajebaats as I see fit. Some of the people on this forum from other side of spectrum know about it.
Thanks for your suggestion been there and done it and not afraid to stand up to tyranny of Kothari Goons

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:57 am
by Gulf
profastian wrote:1) People who do not want to pay wajebats but enjoy all the food and facilities
2) People who do no want to follow sharia, keep beard, pay zakat
3) Wanna be activist, desperate to find a cause where there is none.
4) Wanna be aalims snubbed by the Syedna for their giant egos.
5) People corrupted by deobandis and wahabis ideals.
6) People vying for the piece of the power.
7) People who are too dumb, and who get bored during the ilmi majilis.
8 ) People who had some sort of fight with the local jamaat members or amils and in their ignorance blame the DAI.
9) Educated people (by degrees but in reality jahils) who consider themselves free thinkers and would have eventually snubbed whatever faith or denomination they had been born into. Such people can be found across all religions and faiths.
10) People born into a reformist household or having a reformist parent.
Omabharti - she falls in Category 9 :D

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:25 pm
by ConscĂ­ous
anajmi wrote:A few more categories of the proggies.

1) Those who want to follow Islam as taught by the prophet (saw).
2) Those who do not want to fold their hands in front of a mortal.
3) Those who do not want to bow down in front of a mortal who himself is bent.
4) Those who do not want to do sajda to anyone other than Allah.
5) Those who want to ensure that their zakat and sadaqa goes to helping the needy and not towards the luxurious living of a few parasites.
6) Those who raise their voice against oppression.
7) Those who do not want to subject themselves to humiliation at the hands of parasites.
8 Those who believe that accountability is a noose tied around the neck of even the prophets as to how they spent what was given to them.
9) Those who believe that on the day of judgement only Allah will have the final word.
ME LIKE :wink:

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:25 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
Gulf wrote:
Omabharti - she falls in Category 9 :D
looks like our rip van winkle friend has come back to the forum after a deep sleep..! the world has moved on and this guy still exists in his blissful world of mental retardation. the gulf has widened and our idiot jumped in not knowing he now has to swim 75 miles instead of the 22 miles across the english channel..

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:12 am
by aqs
SBM wrote:Br. Aqs: welcome back and that category will be Gandhian Category who want to bring changes by staying in the fold and bravely standing up against corruption, tyranny and all the thing Gandhi did to bring freedom to Indian Masses, don't you agree?
Br. SBM,
Gandhi didnt pay any taxes infact he asked for non co operation movement. If any one who feels dawat is run by tyrants and goons then stop all kind of support and payment. One cant support them financially and then also talk against them. Either we stop payment or talks, we cant continue both. Dont you agree?

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:08 am
by SBM
One cant support them financially and then also talk against them. Either we stop payment or talks, we cant continue both. Dont you agree?
Br. Aqs
No you can still pay to continue to support local Markaza, what you do not have to pay is Wajebaats which are decided by the Goons. Now you can not have it both ways, In the past lot of intelligent people from other side asked us to stay in Dawat and make changes from within, Many had agreed there is lack of accountability and transparency and there is some time compulsion. If we do not pay and be a part , Gulf and Progcide will say who are you to tell us what to do since you are not paying anything," Cannot have it both ways" . I will pay and then I will keep my right to criticize and bring it to their and others attention of their wrong doings. And you are right Gandhi did not pay tax and so are the leaders of our Takha-e-Shahi but having a opulent life.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:18 am
by aqs
SBM wrote:
One cant support them financially and then also talk against them. Either we stop payment or talks, we cant continue both. Dont you agree?
Br. Aqs
No you can still pay to continue to support local Markaza, what you do not have to pay is Wajebaats which are decided by the Goons. Now you can not have it both ways, In the past lot of intelligent people from other side asked us to stay in Dawat and make changes from within, Many had agreed there is lack of accountability and transparency and there is some time compulsion. If we do not pay and be a part , Gulf and Progcide will say who are you to tell us what to do since you are not paying anything," Cannot have it both ways" . I will pay and then I will keep my right to criticize and bring it to their and others attention of their wrong doings. And you are right Gandhi did not pay tax and so are the leaders of our Takha-e-Shahi but having a opulent life.
Br. SBM,

Agreed, Please continue with your questioning at the jamat level and we might achieve some accountability. I have always said that to bring change we need to be a part of the problem and cant dictate our ways sitting outside as progs are doing.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:04 pm
by JC
Forget Categorizing Progressives ............. there is unity among abdes with one category only - Jahile-Mutlaqs..!!

AQS, who says Progs are sitting outside only?? There are people inside also who are doing their two cents to bring about a change. There are so many ways you can do your part discreetly. Everyone faithfully does what he/she believes and change will come when time is right.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:43 pm
by profastian
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Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:32 am
by Admin
mustafanalwalla wrote:
profastian wrote:deleted

@ADMIN - Why did you delete it??????????
It is deleted by the user, not us.

Re: Categorising the proggies

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:54 pm
by tml87
profastian, It is always in the interest of the majority to suppress dissent in order to forward their agenda. What you are doing here in effect is an age old technique. It is known as argumentum ad hominem . You try to slur the messenger with negative attacks, thinking that in some way, this nullifies the message. Ironically, the Prophet is a fairly prominent recipient of ad hominem attacks.