The True Imam - How would you verify?

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kseeker
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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by kseeker » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Afzalus Salaam

How does one verify the Imaam...

As per Ismaali text, there are many ways. However, the best and simplest way for any human being to recognize him is by verifying his communication ability.

The rightful Imaam will be able to speak each and every language in each and every dialect.

ie: English is a language, British english, Australian English and American English can be classified as dialects... given, English has very similar dialects and is no big deal to do so.. but when you see the variety and significant differences in dialects amongst languages such as Spanish and Arabic you will be shocked... eg: its very hard for Saudi Arabs to pick up the language spoken by Moroccano or Egyptians.. Heck, its even difficult for arabs in Cairo to understand what arabs in southern Egypt speak)

Unlike previous Prophets (except MOhammed PBUH) who were designated for their assigned area, an Imam is Mustaqar and is responsible for every person...If he cannot speak each and every language, he is not the Imam. Period

The world made in 7 days refers to the 7 major messages of Allah to come.

1- Adam
2- Noah
3- Ibrahim
4- Moosa
5- Isa
6- Mohammed PBUH
7 - This will be the Imaam... " Zalikal Kitaabu La Raybah Fi" - There is no doubt in this "book"


There will be many claimants... I am sure someone from the current Bohra priesthood will give it a shot as well... many of them will be major aalims and very smart.. but the only rightful one is the one who can communicate with all...

Wasalaam

ghulam muhammed
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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:33 pm

kseeker wrote:There will be many claimants... I am sure someone from the current Bohra priesthood will give it a shot as well...
You have to attend the final stage of the brainwashing session (Sabak) and you will know that this claim has already been made by the Dai long back, although its never been out in public !

kseeker
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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by kseeker » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:58 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
kseeker wrote:There will be many claimants... I am sure someone from the current Bohra priesthood will give it a shot as well...
You have to attend the final stage of the brainwashing session (Sabak) and you will know that this claim has already been made by the Dai long back, although its never been out in public !
Is this the same quote made that there is no Imam out there (nauzubillah) and they are the highest authority?
Which Dai has made this claim?

I don't think they will be the first ones to go public with it....The main reason for unrest in arabia and parts of north africa are groups within trying to find and destroy the imaam.., Us bohras do not have the balls to pick a fight of that nature.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by fayyaaz » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:39 pm

kseeker wrote:
The rightful Imaam will be able to speak each and every language in each and every dialect.
Spot on! But you missed out a bit.

Imam knows all the languages that have ever been spoken by humans in history including the extinct ones as well as those that will come about in future. As you know, there was no Urdu not so long ago. Neither was there Lisan-e-Dawat. Similarly, he can read all the languages including ancient hieroglyphics.

In addition, Imam knows the languages of the entire animal kingdom. If Prophet Sulayman spoke the languages of animals, how could Imam not speak them?

It would be interesting to hear the Imam 'tafseer'ing the Quran in the click-language of an African tribe. Lots of clicks and an instant recognition of the Imam. There you go.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by Biradar » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:45 am

fayyaaz wrote:
kseeker wrote:
The rightful Imaam will be able to speak each and every language in each and every dialect.
Spot on! But you missed out a bit.
I think even you missed out a bit, friend fayyaaz. As mathematics is a language, Imam will be a brilliant mathematician too. In fact, he will immediately and instantaneously solve all remaining mathematical problems once and for all. After that, the mathematicians of the world can go home and take a long holiday.

Further, the Imam will also be super strong! He will not only be able to lift heavy weights, he will be able to stop bullets, tanks and even fightier jets, just with his glance!

So, all we need to do is look for a strong, omni-lingual, bullet stopping, heavy lifting man. He must be the Imam! Even Allah could not match his skills!!

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:31 pm

I would like to see Imam rescue his Ummat or the Dai when in trouble. I also wonder if the Imam will use seat belt.

Fateh
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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by Fateh » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:46 am

Bhai here we have far more imp. question is who is true Dai as per our Bohara doctrain.Automatically we all shia ismail mustaali taiyabi firqa will find true Imam.Now a days we have original question is who is original dai after 48th dai?If any body has ans. please please share here.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:51 pm

An interesting piece found on a website with regard to the Imam :-

Any one who sees optical illusions declares himself a Mahdi. Like Mirza Gulam Ahmed Qadiyaani, Syed Mohammed Jaunpuri, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Elijah Poole (Muhammed), Isa Abdullah (Dwight York's The Ansaarullah Cult), Abdullah Al-Harari Al-Habashi, Deviant Groups like Baha’is, etc. There are many who have called themselves Mahdi, How many Mahdivis we have had already and how many more are waiting in the wing? Allaah can only help us from these so called Mehdis, it is really becoming difficult to make a choice when we receive them left, right and centre. When someone has a personality disorder, he talks strange things and then, visualising the natural reaction of the people, automatically becomes paranoid and seeks refuge elsewhere.

Arrival of the “Promised Messiah” has not made life any easier for us. We were mendicants and we will ever remain mendicants.

Some quotes from the books of Shias with regard to Imam Mehdi :-

When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran. (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi).

When imam Mehdi comes he will make alive Hazrat Aa'ishah from death and whip her. (Tafseer saafi, line 16, page #108).

Real Quran that is compiled by Hazrat Ali will come with imam Mehdi. (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #360).

When imam Mehdi comes he will hang Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar at the holy grave of Hazrat Mohammad (saw). (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page #49).

“When Imam Mehdi will come out of his cave he will be naked like a newborn and the first person who shall take the oath of allegiance on his hands will be the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w).” (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, page 347, author Shaykh Majlisi)

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by progticide » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:07 am

For Dawoodi Bohras, when the time comes, the Dai-ul-Mutlaq of the time [the incumbent to this office is 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin (T.U.S.)] will verify the true Imam.

For all others - the question still remains open. "The True Imam - How would you verify?"

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by lawgraduate » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:52 am

Bohras blindly follow MS and his weird and baseless propogated belief,but when they are invited to islam they raised question on existence of allah,prophethood,authenticity of quran and hadith,times of salaat etc.This is what allah have mention in quran that their hearts are sealed.
Bohras in order to defend MS borrow arguements from atheist,humanist,christians,quranist,shias,anti-islamic source but they don't bother to learn islam and understand it.
Perfectly sealed hearts.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:30 am

The true representative of the Imam will verify the true identity of the Imam for the rest of us. The Dai has limited reach. Only the bohras. There are muslims all around the world. The Imam will come not just for the bohras. The Imam will come for all those who believe in Allah and his messenger. Considering the fact that your Dai is a liar, the bohras might be the only sect that never gets to know the true identity of the Imam!!

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:54 am

progticide wrote:For Dawoodi Bohras, when the time comes, the Dai-ul-Mutlaq of the time [the incumbent to this office is 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin (T.U.S.)] will verify the true Imam.

For all others - the question still remains open. "The True Imam - How would you verify?"
Before that happens Judge Patel has to verify the true Dai :)

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:42 am

progticide wrote:For Dawoodi Bohras, when the time comes, the Dai-ul-Mutlaq of the time [the incumbent to this office is 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq Syedna wa Maulana Aaliqadr Mufaddal Saifuddin (T.U.S.)] will verify the true Imam.
Whoever pays the fattest envelope of money will be included in the bohra fold, only those who have paid the monies to the bohra dai will have the shifa, hikmat, barkat, intelligence (lack-of-it) to understand when thier DAI will verify the IMAM. for rest, the question remains
progticide wrote:For all others - the question still remains open. "The True Imam - How would you verify?"