The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri May 31, 2013 5:17 pm

Br. Badri, The nabi lived the life intended with instructions from the holy Quran. How else a man who marries the richest woman become so poor. Before people knew him as Nabi, he was known for being Sadik and Amin.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri May 31, 2013 5:39 pm

seeker110 wrote:Before people knew him as Nabi, he was known for being Sadik and Amin.
He was being known for being Sadik and Amin. But was he known before as 'Nabi'? No. He and his missionaries like Mola Ali a.s., Salman Farsi a.s. etc preached the message that Mohammed is Rasool of Allah. In same fashion the Imam and his missionaries will preach that he is Mustakar Imam.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 31, 2013 5:42 pm

badrijanab wrote:Imam and his missionaries will preach that he is Mustakar Imam.
Who are his missionaries and where are they ? Or are they too hiding ?

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri May 31, 2013 5:57 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
badrijanab wrote:Imam and his missionaries will preach that he is Mustakar Imam.
Who are his missionaries and where are they ? Or are they too hiding ?
Imam missionaries are appointed by Imam, I do not know who they are in present time. "Hiding" is a state where no one knows where the hidden party/entity is - this is the concept of Ithna Asheri Shia's. In our context, the Imam is in state of "concealment" meaning he is accessible to his missionaries and selected people. Like in night you cannot see the Sun, it is concealed from you, you cannot say that sun is absent, sun is present and doing its job though you cannot see it. In Parliaments or at important places missionaries of Imam are present and they are doing their job. Minister of Firaun was secret agent/missionary of Moosa a.s. who notified evil plans of Firaun. Biwi Zubaida r.a. wife of Abbasi Caliph Haroon Rasheed was secret agent of Imam Molana Mohammed Shakir a.s. who passed evil plans of Haroon Rasheed. Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti famous lines, "Haqqa ke bina'e la ilaha ast Hussain" is not aqeeda of followers of 1/2/3 - so Khawaja sahib is not the men with faith in line with those of 1/2/3! Who is he? He is secret missionary of Fatimi Imam's.

So Imam and his missionaries are doing their work as commanded by Allah like sun, you cannot though see it. When time will come sun will rise, when time come Imam made their zuhoor and they will do again. Imam Quaim (Mehdi) a.z.s. prophecy is made by Prophet s.a.w.w. which is accepted tradition in all sects of Islam.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 31, 2013 6:08 pm

badrijanab wrote:Imam missionaries are appointed by Imam, I do not know who they are in present time.
So how can someone be sure that the missionaries who identify the Imam are the true ones ? They can project anyone from their own clan as the Imam like the present corrupt Dai who could one fine day project someone from baite zaini or qasre ali or in every likelihood project himself as the Imam (as per the final halka of sabak).
badrijanab wrote:Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti famous lines, "Haqqa ke bina'e la ilaha ast Hussain" is not aqeeda of followers of 1/2/3 - so Khawaja sahib is not the men with faith in line with those of 1/2/3! Who is he? He is secret missionary of Fatimi Imam's.
It is better if you keep yourself confined to your own so called "Pristine" theories only because you don't have an iota of sense when you speak on behalf of the noble Auliyas who also happen to be from the progeny of Mola Ali (a.s.). Iam sure your fairytale books have no mention of these great saints at all. Hence keep away from it.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri May 31, 2013 6:17 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote: So how can someone be sure that the missionaries who identify the Imam are the true ones ? They can project anyone from their own clan as the Imam like the present corrupt Dai who could one fine day project someone from baite zaini or qasre ali or in every likelihood project himself as the Imam (as per the final halka of sabak).
To those claimant - you ask the questions on subject that you have expertise. May be you pull few more friends from different faculty of knowledge and fire the most difficult & diversified questions you can think of to Imam. If he answers to your satisfaction you may tender your Iman or otherwise.

ghulam muhammed wrote:
badrijanab wrote:Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti famous lines, "Haqqa ke bina'e la ilaha ast Hussain" is not aqeeda of followers of 1/2/3 - so Khawaja sahib is not the men with faith in line with those of 1/2/3! Who is he? He is secret missionary of Fatimi Imam's.
It is better if you keep yourself confined to your own so called "Pristine" theories only because you don't have an iota of sense when you speak on behalf of the noble Auliyas who also happen to be from the progeny of Mola Ali (a.s.). Iam sure your fairytale books have no mention of these great saints at all. Hence keep away from it.
Bring Fatwa from any Mufti of 1/2/3 followers - if they buy following aqeeda of Khawaja sahib, ""Haqqa ke bina'e la ilaha ast Hussain" - u will get the answer. Samze GM Babu!

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 31, 2013 6:33 pm

badrijanab wrote:Bring Fatwa from any Mufti of 1/2/3 followers - if they buy following aqeeda of Khawaja sahib, ""Haqqa ke bina'e la ilaha ast Hussain" - u will get the answer. Samze GM Babu!
People like you need fatwas from your pristine leaders as you are accustomed to swallow any crap that is served to you without using your "Aql" whereas I believe in the Prophet's WISDOM and based on this faith use my Aql. Samjhe BJ babu !

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Fri May 31, 2013 6:51 pm

Badri bhai, why do you care so much about things that divide the Muslims. Do you not believe that it is bad to talk bad about friends and relatives of Nabi and Moula Ali. You do remember Moula Ali married one of Hazrat Abu Bakr's daughter. Thus making himself his son in law. Regardless, all this has nothing for us to gain, but it does bring a lot of money to the people that divide us.

I am worried about my own end. I just hope I have more good, when my sins are weighed.

Do all you can, but behave yourself.

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Re: When will our Imam return?

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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:52 am

badrijanab wrote:
DB-Londoner wrote:What is Allah waiting for then?
Ask Allah.
DB-Londoner wrote:How do we know our Imam is the right one? Are we in the right sect?
One of the many simple proof is: Aayat# 2:184 - in this aayat Allah commands to have fix number of days for Ramadan - only the Bohra's (true Islam) have fixed days for Ramdan, rest all sects like Sunni, Ithna Asheri, etc are NOT in compliance of this aayat of Quran. This is simple litmus test to know we (DB) are in the right sect.
If we are in the right sect, how come there is so much division and corruption and injustice? Why is money so important in our sect? Why do rich get favourable treatment over the poor? Why does Aqa allow all this evil in our community?

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Re: When will our Imam return?

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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:56 am

abde53 wrote:Bhai so it proves that Imam is not coming in Zahoor because we have no injustice or corruption. Our Shafiq Bawa is doing khidmat as per the khushi of our imam ul zaman and imam is happy with his Dai TUS and mansoos Sydi Muffdal BS TUS so need for him to come in zahoor. our imam is directing our Shafiq Moula how to run Dawat as our Moula gets his direction from Imam
There is no corruption and injustice? Imam is happy with our Dai? Imam is directing Dawat?
Do you live in a fanstay land where everything in our community is rosy and perfect? Are you blind or just living in denial?

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Re: When will our Imam return?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:48 am

DB-Londoner wrote:
badrijanab wrote: Ask Allah. One of the many simple proof is: Aayat# 2:184 - in this aayat Allah commands to have fix number of days for Ramadan - only the Bohra's (true Islam) have fixed days for Ramdan, rest all sects like Sunni, Ithna Asheri, etc are NOT in compliance of this aayat of Quran. This is simple litmus test to know we (DB) are in the right sect.
If we are in the right sect, how come there is so much division and corruption and injustice? Why is money so important in our sect? Why do rich get favourable treatment over the poor? Why does Aqa allow all this evil in our community?
Kothar is not authorized by Imam-uz-zaman. Till date Burhanuddin sahib and his predecessors were not able to prove if they are Dai Mutlaq.

Bohra's is the only rightful Islam and un-Islamic are practices of Kothar.

Kothar is not DB they are equal to Hindu and Muslim Baba's and Sadhu's whose business is to fool common men and pocket their money!

So minus Kothar from Bohra's and then see who we are - only we are truly Sunni and truly Shia; we are the only Islam. Behamdolillah.

In beginning X, Y and Z usurped right of Mola Ali a.s. and exploited Islam stealing caliphate. Then Umaiyyad and Abbasi exploited Islam; 1/2/3 never claimed they are "rightly guided caliphs" but Abbasi caliphs to secure their positions against the might of Fatimi Imam's forged a theory that their claimant to caliphate is same like 1/2/3 and till date majority of people are astray referring 1/2/3 as "rightly guided"; a claim that 1/2/3 themselves have never made!!!!

Then Ithna Asheri Murja and Aayatullah exploited the Islam by pocketing 20% money per annum of their followers collected in name of their hidden Imam who have not appointed these Murja's and Aayatullah's!!!!

Then came our Kothar, like Sambhri got the dust below the feet of Moosa and sprinkle of that dust over golden calf made it vociferous, Sambhri was most 'niqamma' and got the most precious thing, so does 47th claimant of Dai exploited the situation and declared himself as Dai (without Nuss) he is not authorized hence his and his progeny action is not equal to shariyat of Fatimi Dawat.

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Re: When will our Imam return?

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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:06 am

badrijanab wrote:
DB-Londoner wrote:If we are in the right sect, how come there is so much division and corruption and injustice? Why is money so important in our sect? Why do rich get favourable treatment over the poor? Why does Aqa allow all this evil in our community?
Kothar is not authorized by Imam-uz-zaman. Till date Burhanuddin sahib and his predecessors were not able to prove if they are Dai Mutlaq.

Bohra's is the only rightful Islam and un-Islamic are practices of Kothar.

Kothar is not DB they are equal to Hindu and Muslim Baba's and Sadhu's whose business is to fool common men and pocket their money!

So minus Kothar from Bohra's and then see who we are - only we are truly Sunni and truly Shia; we are the only Islam. Behamdolillah.
Why does Aqa allow Kothar to have so much power? Why doesn't Dai prevent them from polluting our faith and community?

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:43 am

OK OK OK I GIVE UP
I AM READY TO BECOME A PRISTINE BOHRA AND TRUE PRISTINE MUSLIM UNDER TH PRISTINE DAISHIP OF DAI UL AJAL BADRIJANAB BHAI SAHEB. WHERE DO I TAKE MY MISAQ AND GIVE MY JAAN AND MAAL (WHATEVER IS LEFT AFTER KOTHARI GOONS HAVE TAKEN) TO DAIL UL AJAL BADRIJANAB SAHEB. ATLEAST NOW I WILL BE ONE OF THE FEW OCCUPYING ENTIRE JANNAT WITH LOT OF HOORIS AND ESH HI ESH HONKGEY JANNAT MEIN........
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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:37 am

We can initiate some discussion on Imam’s role in identifying True Dai

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:51 am

We need to first identify the True Imam!!

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by JC » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:15 pm

anajmi wrote:We need to first identify the True Imam!!
Sorry Bro Anajmi, Disagree ......... if we can identify Tur Imam, he then will be King, who would care for Dai? Per Bohra beliefs when Imam arrives he will 'take away' his 'amanat' from Dai ...........

Conclusion: No Dai wants to identify Imam (and as is there has never been one ......... and Dais KNOW that.. :roll: )

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by JC » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Let 'the' Imam whisper only ........... :wink:

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:58 am

Only the True Dai ... can verify / identify the True Imam !

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by Fatema MN » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:54 am

Yes, only a Dai can help us identify the true Imam when he does Zuhur, and only a Mazoon can help us identify the true Dai in case of a dispute, as clearly evident in the history of Dawat.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:32 am

Dai is appointed by Ilham (that is permission) of Imam, correct? And 'true' Dai will identify 'true' Imam, Correct?

Conclusion: You scratch my back and I will scrtach yours ....... :D

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by JC » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:38 am

Fatema MN wrote:Yes, only a Dai can help us identify the true Imam when he does Zuhur, and only a Mazoon can help us identify the true Dai in case of a dispute, as clearly evident in the history of Dawat.
So WHO is Mazoon these days? Muffadali and Qutbi both??

Dai appoints Mazoon and Mazoon will identify Dai .......... wwooww again, you scratch my back and I will scratch yours ............. and by the same logic then Mukasir should be appointed and identified by Mazoon, no?? So why dont we first ask Mukasir to identify 'true' Mazoon first ...?? Most likely Mr. Hussain Bhai has to say 'true' Mazoon was Mr. Khozema, cannot say any other name as he has been MAzoon for last 50 years ......... NOW he claims he is Dai ............ and will appoint Mazoon and Mukasir .......... so whats the problem?? Secondly being 'true' Dai most certainly he is communicating with 'true' Imam (as only he knows/can identify) ......... so whats the problem?? Declare Mr Khozema Qutbuddin as 53rd Dai.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by mohamedshah » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:54 am

The position of Mazoon is vacant in both Syedna Qutbuddin - Fatemi Dawat and Shz Muffadal Dawat, Once the Ilham of Allah and the Imam is received by Syedna Qutbudin the appointment to the position of Mazoon will be made and also whether the Allah and the Imam wish to retain Syedi Hussain Bhai Saheb Hussamudin in Rutba of Mukasir will be made. Shz Muffadal will have to decide among Shz Qaid Johar, Shz Malek ul Ashter and Badri Jamali as to how to allocate the positions without a fallout. Issue of Mansoos of the Dai is also very important.

We take Ilham as something physical it is not, it is divine communication similar to inspiration i.e. a Eureka moment, It could come as a dream, or when one is in Sajda. This inspiration can come to anyone who sincerely prays to Allah as to any doubts or questions one has especially praying to Allah before one goes to sleep and requests Allah to give him/her guidance.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:30 pm

This inspiration can come to anyone who sincerely prays to Allah as to any doubts or questions one has especially praying to Allah before one goes to sleep and requests Allah to give him/her guidance.
So it is ok to assume that ilham can come to both contestants if they have been sincerely praying to Allah.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by Maqbool » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:32 am

Now the court will decide who is 53rd mean that Imam will guide the judge to declare, who is the real 53rd!

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by Rebel » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:09 am

Yes, correct the court decides who is the Dai....lol....Imam is no where to be found....so many splits in the community from Alavi to suleimani Bohras and our Imam never came to resolve, court decides......

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:30 am

mohamedshah wrote:The position of Mazoon is vacant in both Syedna Qutbuddin - Fatemi Dawat and Shz Muffadal Dawat, Once the Ilham of Allah and the Imam is received by Syedna Qutbudin the appointment to the position of Mazoon will be made and also whether the Allah and the Imam wish to retain Syedi Hussain Bhai Saheb Hussamudin in Rutba of Mukasir will be made. Shz Muffadal will have to decide among Shz Qaid Johar, Shz Malek ul Ashter and Badri Jamali as to how to allocate the positions without a fallout. Issue of Mansoos of the Dai is also very important.

We take Ilham as something physical it is not, it is divine communication similar to inspiration i.e. a Eureka moment, It could come as a dream, or when one is in Sajda. This inspiration can come to anyone who sincerely prays to Allah as to any doubts or questions one has especially praying to Allah before one goes to sleep and requests Allah to give him/her guidance.
We are no where to guess who could be the next mazoon but bringing Badrul Jamali BS into picture is tickling my bones. I think you guys love him a lot. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:55 am

Now the court will decide who is 53rd mean that Imam will guide the judge to declare, who is the real 53rd!
So since the judge is receiving ilham, the judge should be the 53rd Dai. And since the judge will be appointing the Dai, the judge might even be the Imam. And since we have found the Imam, who needs the Dai. :wink:

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:10 am

anajmi wrote:So since the judge is receiving ilham, the judge should be the 53rd Dai. And since the judge will be appointing the Dai, the judge might even be the Imam. And since we have found the Imam, who needs the Dai. :wink:
But First, only the True Dai will verify / identify the True Judge

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:32 am

When I was a kid, and the reference to Imam-uz-Zaman came, the elders address him as purdah-imam or Imam-purdah-ma-che ! I used to wonder/imagine that Imam is hiding behind the purdah (curtain) of the qiblah of the mashjid. Few years down the line, when SMB would lead prayers, after or before prayer he would be in the Qiblah and curtains are drawn. I used to wonder/imagine that he is in conversation with Imam behind the purdah (curtain) and that is why the term Purdah-Imam came into being.

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Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:59 am

hahaha, Badrijanab is insane to think that bohraism, is true islam.