1) What's the biggest fear of losing one's religious identity and why must they? In other words, what makes religion and/or religious people fermented into unprecented beliefs just because someone said something out-of-the-bloom?
2)When one leaves all religious temperaments or changes/jummps from one religion/sect to another, what becomes of them or how do they cope with life?
3) Is religion necessary for our survival/livelihood out of fear of an unperceivable supernatural deity?
4) Is the after_life of Hell and Heaven evidentiary? Who's to certify?
I hope to get some real/logical answers to the above from all members of this board. Thanks.
FEAR
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1) What's the biggest fear of losing one's religious identity and why must they? In other words, what makes religion and/or religious people fermented into unprecented beliefs just because someone said something out-of-the-bloom?
2)When one leaves all religious temperaments or changes/jummps from one religion/sect to another, what becomes of them or how do they cope with life?
3) Is religion necessary for our survival/livelihood out of fear of an unperceivable supernatural deity?
4) Is the after_life of Hell and Heaven evidentiary? Who's to certify?
5) Has anyone ever thought or want to leave their religious beliefs or religious rituals but cannot for whatever reasons? Please explain?
I hope to get some real/logical answers to the above from all members of this board. Thanks.
NOTE: Admin please delete my previous post.
2)When one leaves all religious temperaments or changes/jummps from one religion/sect to another, what becomes of them or how do they cope with life?
3) Is religion necessary for our survival/livelihood out of fear of an unperceivable supernatural deity?
4) Is the after_life of Hell and Heaven evidentiary? Who's to certify?
5) Has anyone ever thought or want to leave their religious beliefs or religious rituals but cannot for whatever reasons? Please explain?
I hope to get some real/logical answers to the above from all members of this board. Thanks.
NOTE: Admin please delete my previous post.
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turbocanuck
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Danish.....for starters, the very first question sums it up.......
1) What's the biggest fear of losing one's religious identity and why must they? In other words, what makes religion and/or religious people fermented into unprecented beliefs just because someone said something out-of-the-bloom?
There is a certain school of thought in Islam that is at a sort of quandary when it comes to "Sunnah"...a catch 22 if you will. damned if you do, damned if you dont. In short......
The day they refute the Hadith, They cease to be Sunnis...only time will tell...
1) What's the biggest fear of losing one's religious identity and why must they? In other words, what makes religion and/or religious people fermented into unprecented beliefs just because someone said something out-of-the-bloom?
There is a certain school of thought in Islam that is at a sort of quandary when it comes to "Sunnah"...a catch 22 if you will. damned if you do, damned if you dont. In short......
The day they refute the Hadith, They cease to be Sunnis...only time will tell...
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The frogs in the well do not know what is life like, outside the limited confines of the well.
The storks are interested in keeping the frogs in the well, because it suits their own interest.
FEAR IS THE KEY
The fear that is created is of an eternal afterlife, which these parasites create, so that the exploited feel it is bargain to be exploited than be damned for eternity.
It is the senior, aged father and mother frogs, who brain wash their own children and push them into this situation.
Very rarely does a frog gather enough courage to go against the grain and go outside the well. This is the lucky frog, whose discovers that the world is much larger than the well.
Then there are even rarer ones, who can look beyond their world and find that the Universe is even much much bigger than their world.
Which of these lucky frogs would want to go back to the well? However the elder frogs in the well create creepy stories about how the frog outside the world has been damned and killed and destroyed, so keeping the rest of the young frogs in line.
Then there some frogs who try to come out of the well, but slip back into a gulf.
The storks are interested in keeping the frogs in the well, because it suits their own interest.
FEAR IS THE KEY
The fear that is created is of an eternal afterlife, which these parasites create, so that the exploited feel it is bargain to be exploited than be damned for eternity.
It is the senior, aged father and mother frogs, who brain wash their own children and push them into this situation.
Very rarely does a frog gather enough courage to go against the grain and go outside the well. This is the lucky frog, whose discovers that the world is much larger than the well.
Then there are even rarer ones, who can look beyond their world and find that the Universe is even much much bigger than their world.
Which of these lucky frogs would want to go back to the well? However the elder frogs in the well create creepy stories about how the frog outside the world has been damned and killed and destroyed, so keeping the rest of the young frogs in line.
Then there some frogs who try to come out of the well, but slip back into a gulf.
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submission
If we have faith in Allah--then would it not mean that we submit not to what we "think" is religion, but to what Allah says is the "straight path" So that would mean that all those who truly have faith must go through a period of discarding "man-made" ideas of Allah and religion and find their own journey to Allah and his guidance.
The Quran says "Allah will guide whom he pleases"---having faith would be to believe that even if we discard the "ways of our fathers" Allah will guide us to the straight path?
If we have faith in Allah--then would it not mean that we submit not to what we "think" is religion, but to what Allah says is the "straight path" So that would mean that all those who truly have faith must go through a period of discarding "man-made" ideas of Allah and religion and find their own journey to Allah and his guidance.
The Quran says "Allah will guide whom he pleases"---having faith would be to believe that even if we discard the "ways of our fathers" Allah will guide us to the straight path?
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Heaven/hell
In the grand scheme of things --does proof of existence or non-existence of heaven/hell really matter? One thing that is certain is that the life we live is short and transient. we are born, we live, we die---and that is that. The most important part is what we do with the short time we are here on earth, alive in our bodies. How do we best spend this time? ---in fear? or in faith?
In the grand scheme of things --does proof of existence or non-existence of heaven/hell really matter? One thing that is certain is that the life we live is short and transient. we are born, we live, we die---and that is that. The most important part is what we do with the short time we are here on earth, alive in our bodies. How do we best spend this time? ---in fear? or in faith?
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@Thai
In case of most people their faith is rooted in fear. The most common fear is what will happen to me after I die. To overcome this and similar fears they clutch the straws, that human parasites provide and milk them for what they are worth.
It is a very rare situation that faith is based on reasoning and understanding.
As you can see, most people die in the same set of beliefs, they were born with. This means that their primal fears (put in their sub-conscious) by their own anscestors are the operating force.
They need the faith to overcome their fears. Thus faith is based on fears. Where there is no fear there is no need for faith. Reason is sufficient.
In case of most people their faith is rooted in fear. The most common fear is what will happen to me after I die. To overcome this and similar fears they clutch the straws, that human parasites provide and milk them for what they are worth.
It is a very rare situation that faith is based on reasoning and understanding.
As you can see, most people die in the same set of beliefs, they were born with. This means that their primal fears (put in their sub-conscious) by their own anscestors are the operating force.
They need the faith to overcome their fears. Thus faith is based on fears. Where there is no fear there is no need for faith. Reason is sufficient.
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like_minded
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I agree with smart
Fear is the key.. Unless one gets rid of it, there is no hope.
Now the question remains, how does one get rid of fear? Especially the fear of after life? Well.. it is hard!! isnt it?? But if one learns to live life tremendously, without bothering much about tomorrow and just concentrating on the present, then I guess one would realize that fear is just a creation of an unstable mind!! A mind which is always on a seeking mode!! which tries to seek the abstract... which runs away from the reality of the present..
Kotharis have very cleverly created an atmosphere where one is drawn towards fear and greed.. which ultimately makes one very narrow minded and selfish.. This is the condition of majority followers...and Kothar takes full advantage of it.
Fear is the key.. Unless one gets rid of it, there is no hope.
Now the question remains, how does one get rid of fear? Especially the fear of after life? Well.. it is hard!! isnt it?? But if one learns to live life tremendously, without bothering much about tomorrow and just concentrating on the present, then I guess one would realize that fear is just a creation of an unstable mind!! A mind which is always on a seeking mode!! which tries to seek the abstract... which runs away from the reality of the present..
Kotharis have very cleverly created an atmosphere where one is drawn towards fear and greed.. which ultimately makes one very narrow minded and selfish.. This is the condition of majority followers...and Kothar takes full advantage of it.
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Agree with like_minded
The removal of fear is a process of growth. We all fear the dark when we are small children, but when we grow up, we realise that there is nothing to fear. Similarly, these and such other fears are gone once the light of reason falls on it.
That is why you will observe that those unreasonable souls, who have still not overcome their fears, side with the perpetrators. They cannot reason, so they will swear at others.
The removal of fear is a process of growth. We all fear the dark when we are small children, but when we grow up, we realise that there is nothing to fear. Similarly, these and such other fears are gone once the light of reason falls on it.
That is why you will observe that those unreasonable souls, who have still not overcome their fears, side with the perpetrators. They cannot reason, so they will swear at others.
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like_minded
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Religion thrives on fear in man... Priests, mullahs, swamis are the ones who stand to gain.
The solution lies inside us.. we have to be aware of the realities of life... Life is a biggest gift!! It is like heaven!! every breath we take compliments it!! There is nothing more miraculous or greater than that.. Having said that..death is again a reality of life... death is the end of life.. it is inevitable.. we have to accept it..without fear.. It is the law of nature!!!
These self appointed pontiffs.. manipulate the whole scenario and go against the law of nature by projecting something which is not there at all!!! The common man falls prey... which gives rise to beliefs, superstitions etc etc... and eventually never comes out of the trap cleverly laid by these notorious godmen.
The solution lies inside us.. we have to be aware of the realities of life... Life is a biggest gift!! It is like heaven!! every breath we take compliments it!! There is nothing more miraculous or greater than that.. Having said that..death is again a reality of life... death is the end of life.. it is inevitable.. we have to accept it..without fear.. It is the law of nature!!!
These self appointed pontiffs.. manipulate the whole scenario and go against the law of nature by projecting something which is not there at all!!! The common man falls prey... which gives rise to beliefs, superstitions etc etc... and eventually never comes out of the trap cleverly laid by these notorious godmen.
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Muslim First
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Re: FEAR
What nobody picked up Beveqoof's thread?
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Fear
Fear is a tactic used by inept politicians/leaders to unite people to a common (non-existent)enemy. American presidents have been using this tactic for a while. The combination of politics and religion can be a volatile mix. ---christianity is a good example. First, their enemies were other christians who believed that Jesus was a prophet who was not crucified. They burned and tortured these christians. Then they made the Jews their enemy, calling them "christ killers". Then it was the crusades, the "witch hunts", the opium wars,the world wars,Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the holocaust and today, they are still after a non-existent enemy. A "beast"(Islam) which they have to "kill" in order to get Christ to come back and establish a kingdom!!! (christian zionists)---and somehow or the other UFO's are involved---they will "save" all the christians or some such.
I think that fear can be addictive. Our body responds to fear by shooting adrenalin into our system. This harmon can be addictive and without a regular adrenalin "rush" the victim can feel depressed. That may explain why some of the "Mega churches" are doing well ---because their messages of Fear give an adrenalin rush to their addicted congregation and they keep comming back for more.
There is a lot history can teach us if we care to look.
In the end, how we practice our religion is our own choice. It is our responsibility and we cannot blame others for the choices we make.
Fear is a tactic used by inept politicians/leaders to unite people to a common (non-existent)enemy. American presidents have been using this tactic for a while. The combination of politics and religion can be a volatile mix. ---christianity is a good example. First, their enemies were other christians who believed that Jesus was a prophet who was not crucified. They burned and tortured these christians. Then they made the Jews their enemy, calling them "christ killers". Then it was the crusades, the "witch hunts", the opium wars,the world wars,Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the holocaust and today, they are still after a non-existent enemy. A "beast"(Islam) which they have to "kill" in order to get Christ to come back and establish a kingdom!!! (christian zionists)---and somehow or the other UFO's are involved---they will "save" all the christians or some such.
I think that fear can be addictive. Our body responds to fear by shooting adrenalin into our system. This harmon can be addictive and without a regular adrenalin "rush" the victim can feel depressed. That may explain why some of the "Mega churches" are doing well ---because their messages of Fear give an adrenalin rush to their addicted congregation and they keep comming back for more.
There is a lot history can teach us if we care to look.
In the end, how we practice our religion is our own choice. It is our responsibility and we cannot blame others for the choices we make.