Satta Ka Khel- The Jig Saw Puzzle At Saifee Mahal.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:49 pm

The Game of MONEY and POWER is always played in its own Unique way and Saifee Mahal is a prime example. The head of the so called "Royals" who claims to be a spiritual head has always ensured that these 'duniyawi daulat" remains within its four walls and any attempt to snatch it is vigorously resisted. There is a strict rule that none of their siblings should marry any outsider lest he/she becomes its claimant. Even their second rung office Badri Mahal is a taboo which can be seen in the late mukasir's son getting married to a zaadi resulting in he being forced to live separately at badri mahal as his wife refused to leave the comforts of saifee mahal. The poor man was very mentally disturbed due to which he spent most of his time at radio club and ultimately had a silent death. There are many such cases but let us focus on mazun who in all probability was duped and dumped royally by the dai's family by involving him in this tangle of relationships.

To make it simpler let us see the below mentioned "Jig Saw Puzzle" :-

1. Mazun's eldest daughter Safia was married to MUFFY MOLA but ultimately divorced after some time. (Wonder how the ghaib na jankar didnt get the ilhm that his own son's marriage is going to fail).
2. Mazun's another daughter Taiyyaba is married to the dai's son Qusai (she is the 2nd wife).
3. Mazun's another daughter is married to MUFFY MOLA'S son.

Now this makes mazun...... the father-in-law as well as the sambdhi of Muffy as well the sambdhi of the dai. This also makes Safia the mother-in-law of her own sister and Taiyyaba becomes her own sister's kaki sasu (aunty) and Muffy's devrani. Muffy's saali is thus married to his own son so Muffy is her jijaji as well as sasraji. We can extend this jig saw puzzle even further but it seems that this small synopsis is enough for anyone to split his hair.

If the above situation takes place in an average bohra's family then he would be looked down upon but in case of these so called 'royals', abdes will sum it up as "Aaa to hikmat ni waato chhe" and "Su nirali shaan chhe". They will refuse to accept the fact that it is nothing but a game of money and power.

This also explains the reasons behind mazun being reduced to a mere silent spectator as the famous gujarati saying goes, "hoth bhi apna ane daat bhi apna".

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Unread post by accountability » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:24 am

GM it is kind of hillarious too. I still didn't get it. it is too puzzling. you have to describe it one by one on each line. How could a father in law be brother in law (jijaji is brother in law?). please break it down one relationship at one time so I can grasp it.
Muffadal Bhaisaheb is sambdhi to Maazoon saheb. But muffadal bhai saheb was ex son in law of mazoon saheb, Does he has any childeren from his previous marriage.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:06 pm

accountability wrote:GM it is kind of hillarious too.
Everyone will find it hillarious except the diehard abdes, for them it is 'Hikmat ni vaat' and 'Mola ni shaan'.
accountability wrote: it is too puzzling. you have to describe it one by one on each line. How could a father in law be brother in law (jijaji is brother in law?). please break it down one relationship at one time so I can grasp it.
Yes bro it is puzzling as well as hair spliting.
accountability wrote:Muffadal Bhaisaheb is sambdhi to Maazoon saheb
Yes, because one of mazun's daughter is married to Muffy Mola's son.
accountability wrote:But muffadal bhai saheb was ex son in law of mazoon saheb, Does he has any childeren from his previous marriage.
Yes, because mazun's daughter Safia was once married to Muffy, she was his second wife as his first wife is the daughter of ex-terror in saifee mahal i.e. Yusuf Najmudin. Hence Syedul Khair and Badri Jamali are Muffy's saalas.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:09 pm

In continuance of the above post............ Mazun's daughter Safia doesnt bear any children from Muffy although mazun's another daughter who is married to Muffy's son has 3 children.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:10 pm

GM interesting ...for money they risk retardation
Genetics
Cousin marriage has genetic aspects that do not arise in the case of other marriage-related political and social issues like interracial marriage. This is because married couples possessing higher than normal consanguinity have, on average, an increased chance of sharing genes for recessive traits. Consanguinity means the amount of shared (identical) DNA, the genetic material. The percentage of consanguinity between any two individuals decreases fourfold as the most recent common ancestor recedes one generation. To cite some examples, first cousins have four times the consanguinity of second cousins, while first cousins once removed have half that of first cousins. Rare double first cousins have twice that of first cousins and are as related as half-siblings.
In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.7–2.8% over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.[178] In terms of mortality, a 1994 study found a mean excess pre-reproductive mortality rate of 4.4%,[179] While another study published in 2009 suggests the rate may be closer to 3.5%.[2] Put differently, first-cousin marriage entails a similar increased risk of birth defects and mortality as a woman faces when she gives birth at age 41 rather than at 30.[180] Critics argue that banning first-cousin marriages would make as much sense as trying to ban childbearing by older women. After repeated generations of cousin marriage the actual genetic relationship between two people is closer than the most immediate relationship would suggest. In Pakistan, where there has been cousin marriage for generations and the current rate may exceed 50%, one study estimated infant mortality at 12.7 percent for married double first cousins, 7.9 percent for first cousins, 9.2 percent for first cousins once removed/double second cousins, 6.9 percent for second cousins, and 5.1 percent among nonconsanguineous progeny. Among double first cousin progeny, 41.2 percent of prereproductive deaths were associated with the expression of detrimental recessive genes, with equivalent values of 26.0, 14.9, and 8.1 percent for first cousins, first cousins once removed/double second cousins, and second cousins respectively.[181]
Even in the absence of preferential consanguinity, alleles that are rare in large populations can randomly increase to high frequency in small groups within a few generations due to the founder effect and accelerated genetic drift in a breeding pool of restricted size.[182] For example because the entire Amish population is descended from only a few hundred 18th century German-Swiss settlers, the average coefficient of inbreeding between two random Amish is higher than between two non-Amish second cousins.[183] First-cousin marriage is taboo among Amish but they still suffer from several rare genetic disorders. In Ohio's Geauga County, Amish make up only about 10 percent of the population but represent half the special needs cases. In one debilitating seizure disorder the worldwide total of 12 cases is exclusively Amish.[184] Similar disorders have been found in the highly polygynous FLDS, who do allow first-cousin marriage and of whom 75 to 80 percent are related to two 1930s founders.[185][186]
Studies into the effect of cousin marriage on polygenic traits and complex diseases of adulthood have often yielded contradictory results due to the rudimentary sampling strategies used. Both positive and negative associations have been reported for breast cancer and heart disease. Long-term studies conducted on the Dalmatian islands in the Adriatic Sea have indicated a positive association between inbreeding and a very wide range of common adulthood disorders, including hypertension, coronary heart disease, stroke, cancer, uni/bipolar depression, asthma, gout, peptic ulcer, and osteoporosis. However, these results may principally reflect village endogamy rather than consanguinity per se. Endogamy is marrying within a group and in this case the group was a village. The marital patterns of the Amish are also an example of endogamy.[187]
The Latin American Collaborative Study of Congenital Malformation found an association between consanguinity and hydrocephalus, postaxial polydactyly, and bilateral oral and facial clefts. Another picture emerges from the large literature on congenital heart defects, which are conservatively estimated to have an incidence of 50/1,000 live births. A consistent positive association between consanguinity and disorders such as ventricular septal defect and atrial septal defect has been demonstrated, but both positive and negative associations with patent ductus arteriosus, atrioventricular septal defect, pulmonary atresia, and tetralogy of Fallot have been reported in different populations. Associations between consanguinity and Alzheimer's disease have been found in certain populations.[187] Studies into the influence of inbreeding on anthropometric measurements at birth and in childhood have failed to reveal any major and consistent pattern, and only marginal declines were shown in the mean scores attained by consanguineous progeny in tests of intellectual capacity. In the latter case, it would appear that inbreeding mainly leads to greater variance in IQ levels, due in part to the expression of detrimental recessive genes in a small proportion of those tested.[188]
A BBC report discussed Pakistanis in Britain, 55% of whom marry a first cousin.[189] Given the high rate of such marriages, many children come from repeat generations of first-cousin marriages. The report states that these children are 13 times more likely than the general population to produce children with genetic disorders, and one in ten children of first-cousin marriages in Birmingham either dies in infancy or develops a serious disability. The BBC also states that Pakistani-Britons, who account for some 3% of all births in the UK, produce "just under a third" of all British children with genetic illnesses. Published studies show that mean perinatal mortality in the Pakistani community of 15.7 per thousand significantly exceeds that in the indigenous population and all other ethnic groups in Britain. Congenital anomalies account for 41 percent of all British Pakistani infant deaths.[190] The BBC story contained an interview with Myra Ali, whose parents and grandparents were all first cousins. She has a very rare recessive genetic condition, known as Epidermolysis bullosa which will cause her to lead a life of extreme physical suffering, limited human contact and probably an early death from skin cancer. Knowing that cousin marriages increase the probability of recessive genetic conditions, she is understandably against the practice. Finally, in 2010 the Telegraph reported that cousin marriage among the British Pakistani community resulted in 700 children being born every year with genetic disabilities.[191]
The increased mortality and birth defects observed among British Pakistanis may, however, have another source besides current consanguinity. This is population subdivision among different Pakistani groups. Population subdivision results from decreased gene flow among different groups in a population. Because members of Pakistani biradari have married only inside these groups for generations, offspring have higher average homozygosity even for couples with no known genetic relationship.[192] According to a statement by the UK's Human Genetics Commission on cousin marriages, the BBC also "fails to clarify" that children born to these marriages were not found to be 13 times more likely to develop genetic disorders. Instead they are 13 times more likely to develop recessive genetic disorders. The HGC states, "Other types of genetic conditions, including chromosomal abnormalities, sex-linked conditions and autosomal dominant conditions are not influenced by cousin marriage." The HGC goes on to compare the biological risk between cousin marriage and increased maternal age, arguing that "Both represent complex cultural trends. Both however, also carry a biological risk. They key difference, GIG argue, is that cousin marriage is more common amongst a British minority population."[193] Genetic effects from cousin marriage in Britain are more obvious than in a developing country like Pakistan because the number of confounding environmental diseases is lower. Increased focus on genetic disease in developing countries may eventually result from progress in eliminating environmental diseases there as well.[194]
Comprehensive genetic education and premarital genetic counseling programs can help to lessen the burden of genetic diseases in endogamous communities. Genetic education programs directed as high school students have been successful in Middle Eastern countries such as Bahrain. Genetic counseling in developing countries has been hampered, however, by lack of trained staff, and couples may refuse prenatal diagnosis and selective abortion despite the endorsement of religious authorities.[195] In Britain, the Human Genetics Commission recommends a strategy comparable with previous strategies in dealing with increased maternal age, notably as this age relates to an increased risk of Down Syndrome. All pregnant women in Britain are offered a screening test from the government-run national health service to identify those at an increased risk of having a baby with Down syndrome. The HGC states that similarly, it is appropriate to offer genetic counseling to consanguineous couples, preferably before they conceive, in order to establish the precise risk of a genetic abnormality in offspring. Under this system the offering of genetic counseling can be refused, unlike for example in the US state of Maine where it is mandatory to marry[clarification needed]. Leading researcher Alan Bittles also concluded that though consanguinity clearly has a significant effect on childhood mortality and genetic disease in areas where it is common, it is "essential that the levels of expressed genetic defect be kept in perspective, and to realize that the outcome of consanguineous marriages is not subject to assessment solely in terms of comparative medical audit."[196] He states that the social, cultural, and economic benefits of cousin marriage need to also be fully considered.[197]

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:19 pm

ozmujaheed wrote:GM interesting ...for money they risk retardation
Retarded "Royals" for Retarded Abdes, tailormade for each other !!!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:33 pm

JUST TO REFRESH THE MEMORIES, I REPRODUCE BELOW AN ARTICLE POSTED ON ANOTHER THREAD. THIS WILL GIVE US AN IDEA ABOUT THE PALACE WHICH EVERY ZADA DESPERATELY WANTS TO OWN AND CONTROL. THIS PALACE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED IN MAZUN'S NAME BY THE LATE 51ST DAI.


Ever wondered what its like inside this palace of a spiritual guide who claims to be an ardent follower of Hazrat Ali a.s. At no point of time did Rasul Allah s.a.w. (Sarkar-e-qayanat) or Hazrat Ali a.s. (Shere Khuda) ever named their respective holy houses as "Mahal" or ever lived the luxurious lifestyle of a king like our present Dai.


1) Saifee Mahal is spread over acres of land and is situated in the most expensive locality of India where the going rate of an apartment is around Rs.45,000 per sq.feet and by which Saifee Mahal is valued at a minimum of Rs.1,000 crores.


2) One forgets that our country is a vibrant democracy once he enters SM because here you find a monarch (Sultan of Bohra) living with his princes (shehzadas), princesses (shehzadis) and other members who proudly call themselves "royal family". Democracy ends here and dictatorship begins.


3) The monarch resides in a palace which is a huge 3 storeyed structure wherein in one of the massive halls, he conducts baithaks, ziafats and wajebat collections. On the 1st floor there is another huge princely hall adorned by carcasses of stuffed tigers shot by the monarch which he proudly displays. The monarch's personal living room has been recently done up with water fountains. The lavish iranian carpets, priceless antiques and marble floorings are worth seeing.


4) The palace is surrounded by a sprawling garden, car parks and a small masjid. There are another few buildings near the palace and within the SM premises, out of which one building is exclusively for his sons and the others are for Mazum saab and other family members which number around 1000.


5) One of my fanatic relative had been to one of the son's apartment and he found it to be no less lavish then that of a superstar. The interior was just mind blowing and done up by a leading interior designer of Mumbai. The dining table and chairs were made of silver, the swing in the balcony had silver rods. His child played with small gold toys and had a doll house, the likes of what we see in hollywood films. He was shocked to see the wash basin as it had gold engravings on it and hold your breadth, the tap was of solid gold. The other artefacts and antiques were out of the world.The shehzadas re-do their interiors every 6 months because that is how their wives pass their time.


6) Now next to the main palace is the common kitchen which caters to the whole lot in SM. I dont need to mention the variety of food which is cooked here as it is anybody's guess. The servants on the other hand are served with dal and rice on a daily basis. Every apartment has got a minimum of one maid and one male servant. Now you can multiply that with the number of apartments that exist in the premises. Add that with the number of drivers, gardeners and watchmen. They have a professional security agency to guard their SM round the clock. The number of non bohra servants far out number the bohra servants. Now who says there is poverty among bohras ?


7) There are a few godowns which are stuffed upto the brim with costly crystal dinner sets, crystal showpieces and antiques. One of the godown is stuffed with a number of 50kg sacks of badam, pista and walnut, half of which is eaten up by ants and rodents.


I bet that the maximum amount of currency notes that anyone on this forum must have seen would have been a bag full of notes or a cupboard full of notes unless one is an employee of a leading bank. Here in Saifee Mahal there is a huge room full of currency notes collected from gallas of various dargahs and wajebat and other extortion amounts. I was told that there is a team of young brainwashed boys from surat which comes at regular intervals just to count the money and it takes them a few days to count the booty. The extortionists are so busy that they do not even have the time to count the money.


The above are the few observations made by my fanatic relative who is very close to one of the shehzadas and surprisingly he was not sad or ashamed on seeing the above but on the contrary he narrated these facts with a sense of pride. This is the state of our present day gullible bohras.


Now from the above mentioned facts can anyone please tell me, where are the teachings and principles of Islam and the Holy Prophet s.a.w. and where does the stereo typed slogan of the bohras' "Live like Ali a.s. and Die like Hussain a.s." fit in ?



Last but not the least, this property worth a thousand crores was gifted by Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy and these be-imaan people instead of being grateful to Sir Adamjee have on the contrary prevented the bohra coomunity from even doing his ziarat and have come out with all sorts of baseless and cooked up false allegations against him and his family. If Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy is so much disliked by them then why are they enjoying on his property ? Why dont they move out of a place which belonged to a so called daawat na dushman ?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:56 pm

bro gm,

havent i already proved that dai is greater than allah, nabi and imam? then why do you keep bringing up these tiresome comparisons with the prophet, ali and panjatan paak all the time? that is like comparing apples and oranges. a better analogy would be comparing him with emperor shahjahan, or louis the IV, or king solomon with his fabled riches.

you have to move on with the times. do you seriously expect syedna and his manhoos muffy to live on dates and jau no aato and stay in a humble abode? what sort of blasphemy is that?

syedna - status wise - is far far above these simpletons from centuries past. they were fools and ignoramuses for focusing only on deen e islam. whereas syedna knows that deen is big business, how to milk the deen and the system, but most of all how to massage the abde sheep and take their wool, 30,000 crore bags full.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:51 pm

One more puzzle in which the poor mazun was at the recieving end :-

Mazun's wife was actually engaged to his elder brother Abbasbhai but as she had a liking for mazun which the 51st dai found out, he broke the engagement and got her married to mazun. She is a very beautiful lady but elder to mazun.

One of mazun's son is married to the sister of Zahabia (wife of the dai's son Ammar) hence the dai's son Ammar and mazun's son are saadubhais (brothers-in-law).

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 pm

Badri Jamali is the son of late Yusuf Najmuddin, brother of Syedul Kher and saala of Muffy mola. His wife happens to be the daughter of mukasir, Hussainbhai saab who in turn is the real brother of the present dai. This is another reason that he and his brother are having a very firm grip on zaadas and have a major say in important matters concerning dawat.

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Unread post by bohri » Wed May 23, 2012 9:47 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Badri Jamali is the son of late Yusuf Najmuddin, brother of Syedul Kher and saala of Muffy mola. His wife happens to be the daughter of mukasir, Hussainbhai saab who in turn is the real brother of the present dai. This is another reason that he and his brother are having a very firm grip on zaadas and have a major say in important matters concerning dawat.
Actually the sad part is that women are mere instruments in these deals, no matter whether they consent or not.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu May 24, 2012 7:31 am

GM very insightful

With material extravagance there is high chance that SM also is active in sexuality, flirtation, adulatory , abuse, extra marital affairs, prostitution...bored wealthy zadis and zadas can not keep their pants up!

It is matter of time that scandals will come up.

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Unread post by bohraji » Thu May 24, 2012 8:38 am

@Ozmujaheed,
This is the great thing about the family.
They do not have any othet vices excepting subjugating the community for money.
You can see that they are very carefull and nobody drinks,or womanises nor do you hear of any immoral activities.
We do not find a bad boy amongst the zaadas.

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Unread post by Hussaini » Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 am

bohraji wrote:@Ozmujaheed,
This is the great thing about the family.
They do not have any othet vices excepting subjugating the community for money.
You can see that they are very carefull and nobody drinks,or womanises nor do you hear of any immoral activities.
We do not find a bad boy amongst the zaadas.
can u point me a single family in world who have so much of money and power yet none of them are found in above mentioned activity?

this is one of the greatest proof that dawat is truth..... :D

actually dawat dont need any proof but this is just an indication for those who posses brain and can think.

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Unread post by aliabbas_aa » Thu May 24, 2012 11:08 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:JUST TO REFRESH THE MEMORIES, I REPRODUCE BELOW AN ARTICLE POSTED ON ANOTHER THREAD. THIS WILL GIVE US AN IDEA ABOUT THE PALACE WHICH EVERY ZADA DESPERATELY WANTS TO OWN AND CONTROL. THIS PALACE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED IN MAZUN'S NAME BY THE LATE 51ST DAI.


Ever wondered what its like inside this palace of a spiritual guide who claims to be an ardent follower of Hazrat Ali a.s. At no point of time did Rasul Allah s.a.w. (Sarkar-e-qayanat) or Hazrat Ali a.s. (Shere Khuda) ever named their respective holy houses as "Mahal" or ever lived the luxurious lifestyle of a king like our present Dai.


1) Saifee Mahal is spread over acres of land and is situated in the most expensive locality of India where the going rate of an apartment is around Rs.45,000 per sq.feet and by which Saifee Mahal is valued at a minimum of Rs.1,000 crores.


2) One forgets that our country is a vibrant democracy once he enters SM because here you find a monarch (Sultan of Bohra) living with his princes (shehzadas), princesses (shehzadis) and other members who proudly call themselves "royal family". Democracy ends here and dictatorship begins.


3) The monarch resides in a palace which is a huge 3 storeyed structure wherein in one of the massive halls, he conducts baithaks, ziafats and wajebat collections. On the 1st floor there is another huge princely hall adorned by carcasses of stuffed tigers shot by the monarch which he proudly displays. The monarch's personal living room has been recently done up with water fountains. The lavish iranian carpets, priceless antiques and marble floorings are worth seeing.


4) The palace is surrounded by a sprawling garden, car parks and a small masjid. There are another few buildings near the palace and within the SM premises, out of which one building is exclusively for his sons and the others are for Mazum saab and other family members which number around 1000.


5) One of my fanatic relative had been to one of the son's apartment and he found it to be no less lavish then that of a superstar. The interior was just mind blowing and done up by a leading interior designer of Mumbai. The dining table and chairs were made of silver, the swing in the balcony had silver rods. His child played with small gold toys and had a doll house, the likes of what we see in hollywood films. He was shocked to see the wash basin as it had gold engravings on it and hold your breadth, the tap was of solid gold. The other artefacts and antiques were out of the world.The shehzadas re-do their interiors every 6 months because that is how their wives pass their time.


6) Now next to the main palace is the common kitchen which caters to the whole lot in SM. I dont need to mention the variety of food which is cooked here as it is anybody's guess. The servants on the other hand are served with dal and rice on a daily basis. Every apartment has got a minimum of one maid and one male servant. Now you can multiply that with the number of apartments that exist in the premises. Add that with the number of drivers, gardeners and watchmen. They have a professional security agency to guard their SM round the clock. The number of non bohra servants far out number the bohra servants. Now who says there is poverty among bohras ?


7) There are a few godowns which are stuffed upto the brim with costly crystal dinner sets, crystal showpieces and antiques. One of the godown is stuffed with a number of 50kg sacks of badam, pista and walnut, half of which is eaten up by ants and rodents.


I bet that the maximum amount of currency notes that anyone on this forum must have seen would have been a bag full of notes or a cupboard full of notes unless one is an employee of a leading bank. Here in Saifee Mahal there is a huge room full of currency notes collected from gallas of various dargahs and wajebat and other extortion amounts. I was told that there is a team of young brainwashed boys from surat which comes at regular intervals just to count the money and it takes them a few days to count the booty. The extortionists are so busy that they do not even have the time to count the money.


The above are the few observations made by my fanatic relative who is very close to one of the shehzadas and surprisingly he was not sad or ashamed on seeing the above but on the contrary he narrated these facts with a sense of pride. This is the state of our present day gullible bohras.


Now from the above mentioned facts can anyone please tell me, where are the teachings and principles of Islam and the Holy Prophet s.a.w. and where does the stereo typed slogan of the bohras' "Live like Ali a.s. and Die like Hussain a.s." fit in ?



Last but not the least, this property worth a thousand crores was gifted by Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy and these be-imaan people instead of being grateful to Sir Adamjee have on the contrary prevented the bohra coomunity from even doing his ziarat and have come out with all sorts of baseless and cooked up false allegations against him and his family. If Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy is so much disliked by them then why are they enjoying on his property ? Why dont they move out of a place which belonged to a so called daawat na dushman ?
Kudos to the proggies for standing against such a powerful Muaviyah of the time!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 24, 2012 2:45 pm

Hussaini wrote:can u point me a single family in world who have so much of money and power yet none of them are found in above mentioned activity?
You are right when you say that they are not FOUND in any immoral activities and that is the moot point because there are plenty of instances in history wherein the higher ups engage in all sorts of the filthiest activities but are never CAUGHT due to the money and muscle power. Take the example of politicians, everyone knows that they have lakhs of crores stacked in swiss banks yet they are roaming free as they are never CAUGHT due to money and muscle power. Sharad Pawar is the richest politician who has vast interests in real estate, he is behind the sprawling Magarpatta and Amanora townships in Pune which are spread over hundreds of acres, he has stakes in the Lavasa project but still the law cannot catch him as he enjoys tremendous clout.

Same is the case with kothar. It is very difficult to catch them red handed hence they are proved to be innocent. The sprawling saifee mahal with stuffed tigers and gold taps are well known so is the crores collected from abdes yet nothing can be done about it as there is no documentray evidence. BTW, Hotel Ambassador in Mumbai was once owned by the late mukasir Salehbhai saab and Yusuf Najmuddin and people have seen them in the hotel in compromising positions yet abdes will refuse to believe as there is no documentary proof.

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Unread post by think » Thu May 24, 2012 4:12 pm

rooms full of cash money of all currencies at saifee mahal is no surprize.
if the khoja's Imam aga khan all by himself can become one of the richest man in the world relying on the contributions of his subjects, then the bohri dai has about a thousand hands to loot the mumineen i.e. zadas, zadi's, their children, grand children, kaka's, kaki's, uncle's aunts etc. and all are well placed all around the world doing the so called khidmat for the mumineen.so ,if the bohri dai is at least a 1000 times richer then the aga khan is no surprize.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 24, 2012 5:23 pm

There are authentic newspaper reports that Satya Sai Baba created a financial empire worth Rs.40,000 Crores. He was not married and hence had no siblings but still he single handedly managed to loot his followers high and dry. Moreover his earlier generation was poor. So the amount of wealth accumulated by the dai and his father who together ruled and looted the community for around 100 years can be anyones guess !!

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Unread post by Hussaini » Thu May 24, 2012 11:37 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Hussaini wrote:can u point me a single family in world who have so much of money and power yet none of them are found in above mentioned activity?
You are right when you say that they are not FOUND in any immoral activities and that is the moot point because there are plenty of instances in history wherein the higher ups engage in all sorts of the filthiest activities but are never CAUGHT due to the money and muscle power. Take the example of politicians, everyone knows that they have lakhs of crores stacked in swiss banks yet they are roaming free as they are never CAUGHT due to money and muscle power. Sharad Pawar is the richest politician who has vast interests in real estate, he is behind the sprawling Magarpatta and Amanora townships in Pune which are spread over hundreds of acres, he has stakes in the Lavasa project but still the law cannot catch him as he enjoys tremendous clout.

Same is the case with kothar. It is very difficult to catch them red handed hence they are proved to be innocent. The sprawling saifee mahal with stuffed tigers and gold taps are well known so is the crores collected from abdes yet nothing can be done about it as there is no documentray evidence. BTW, Hotel Ambassador in Mumbai was once owned by the late mukasir Salehbhai saab and Yusuf Najmuddin and people have seen them in the hotel in compromising positions yet abdes will refuse to believe as there is no documentary proof.
why dont u bring those documentary proofs? lol

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri May 25, 2012 12:31 am

Recently, we had some discussion about Aurangzeb and his evil murderous ways. Aurangzeb never drank alcohol, nor was he a womanizer nor a gambler. The Dai and his parasitic family might be similar. Although their evil ways are quite apparent. No one can go close to any of them without money. Even that isn't as big a sin as converting an entire community into mushriks. And there is a lot of documented proof about that. A lot of it on this forum.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri May 25, 2012 8:33 am

Guys just because we have no proof yet does not mean they have not committed sins

Surely you do not beleive the zadas are also masum ? The Diai could be holy but not the zadas?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri May 25, 2012 12:04 pm

ozmujaheed wrote: Surely you do not beleive the zadas are also masum ? The Diai could be holy but not the zadas?
Dai is a holyman to his followers but he is not Masum

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Unread post by think » Fri May 25, 2012 1:16 pm

cominig from the grape vine, people have seen six packs of beer in zadas refrigerartors also. Again,relying on advanced technology to get proof. with a little use of technology i think it is possible.

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Unread post by troubled_db » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:16 am

Another ill practice that is under sheets and covers is Sexual favours and Sexual exploitation by these abdes and Bhaisahebs and zaadas
Recently I have come across a girl who was cleverly lead into a steady relationship by a BS and after a few years, suddenly turned hostile to her. The years of relationship were tactfully handled by the BS and cajoled her into complete secrecy. She has complete proof but she is so well emotionally controlled that she is not willing to expose him.
BS Bullshit ! The proof is shocking ! The day she gets her mind heart and soul out of his control, he's in for BIG trouble.
They get married amongst their own extended family so that the treasure and business is confined to themselves but their eyes can't stop wandering and now, they openly indulge in sexual exploitation.
In Bhendi Bazaar, there's a well developed and carefully operated full fledged Bohra Prostitution centre in which their own bohra ladies are bought and sold and swapped for money or qadambosi passes or other religious favors.

Does anyone else have facts like these ?

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:43 am

troubled_db wrote:Another ill practice that is under sheets and covers is Sexual favours and Sexual exploitation by these abdes and Bhaisahebs and zaadas
Recently I have come across a girl who was cleverly lead into a steady relationship by a BS and after a few years, suddenly turned hostile to her. The years of relationship were tactfully handled by the BS and cajoled her into complete secrecy. She has complete proof but she is so well emotionally controlled that she is not willing to expose him.
BS Bullshit ! The proof is shocking ! The day she gets her mind heart and soul out of his control, he's in for BIG trouble.
They get married amongst their own extended family so that the treasure and business is confined to themselves but their eyes can't stop wandering and now, they openly indulge in sexual exploitation.
In Bhendi Bazaar, there's a well developed and carefully operated full fledged Bohra Prostitution centre in which their own bohra ladies are bought and sold and swapped for money or qadambosi passes or other religious favors.

Does anyone else have facts like these ?
I dont know from where you got this news . Please refrain from such allagations and we really dont enjoy such practices. If you have prove than come with the proof otherwise do not shoot in the air. YOu did not mention the name of Bhai saheb. What's cooking?

We will not allow any one using this forum for Gossip and mental manipulation. There might be some isolated cases.

Our main concern is accountibality and freedom. So please do not strech the topic futher

I would request other like minded members to discourage such attempts if it is with proof and any back ground.

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 am

troubled_db
I agree with Hussain _KSA
Throwing unproven allegation is like doing Ghibaat which is considered one of the biggest sin (quoting from Friday Khutab by a Sunni Shaikh)
Please refrain from unfounded allegation of sexual misconduct unless you have guts to provide name, place and date, Atleast two out of three will help with your allegation. In your zeal you are giving a bad name. There are many good Abdes who are working with Progressives to help Poor Mumineen aka Abdes in Ahmedabad and other places and let us highlight and help with that cause instead of false allegations which may turn off many sitting on the fence

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Unread post by who2trust » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:00 am

troubled_db wrote: In Bhendi Bazaar, there's a well developed and carefully operated full fledged Bohra Prostitution centre in which their own bohra ladies are bought and sold and swapped for money or qadambosi passes or other religious favors.

Does anyone else have facts like these ?
Troubled_db,

We all can understand from where you are coming? Your post is very disappointing and in a very bad taste. Please REFRAIN from such comments unless you can prove it!! God bless you!

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Unread post by JC » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:04 pm

Expect ANYTHING from sh**zadas .........

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Unread post by troubled_db » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:51 am

The proof that leads anyone in to trouble is not to be made public.
You all do not believe it, that's your lookout. The people who have to burn in hell will be led to their punishment
Do not want to clarify as for me, I have seen the evidences.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:36 pm

Troubleddb and HusainKSA

I do not think is is okay to turn away as isolated cases, there is high probability these exists and it is only matter of time before real issues come out.

Troubdb should not be shouted down but encouraged to give proof, his statements are as open as some other topics we have discussed. Let others judge.

Your comment we are after freedom and accountability , this topic applies also fir freedom of information, and accountability of the high morals preached, I hope we are not only implying financial freedom and accountability

Why I have high suspicion ? Look around you, there is a good sample of bohras into drugs, alcohol, womanisng, smuggling, tax evationcorruption, fraud, adultery , Etc most evils and you imply that zadas are immune to it.

I am not implying we are living in Gomorrah but we have dirt amongst us, and whether one case or many let it be disclosed.

Let us not look at bohris through colored glasses. It is nice to fantacise that we are the perfect chosen society but reality will be reality