Poverty in Ahmedabad

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AgnosticTheist
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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by AgnosticTheist » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:24 am

mustafanalwalla wrote: So i guess its extremely subjective.
Agreed.
mustafanalwalla wrote: So, lets move on. Ok?
And agreed.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:10 am

but salaams are purely voluntarily.
Although a highly subjective situation, but we know what happens in reality with regards to salaam deemed as voluntary. Haven’t we come across instructions by side kicks how much to put in the covers for salaams !! and Fixing minimum units for Najwa !!

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:17 am

Thought to share with you, Once upon a time our community was the most innovative and philanthropic, now all we do is distribute Dabba and Weetis. Look at the following story Also remember
1-First Super retail store was Akberally;s in Mumbai by a Bohra
2-Mercandtile co operative bank started by a Bohra
3-One of largest Developer-Lokhandwala a Bohra (incidentally he is not involved in Bhendi Bazar upliftment, I wonder why)
On philanthropy side
Maskati Turst-Adamjee Peerbhai Tust-Morriswala Trust-Darukhana Trust- and many more who used to give instead of taking like all these Kothari Goons are doing, May be Adam-Progticide_Profstian as well Nalwalla can shed some light on how many TRUSTS ARE BEING RUN BY THESE ZAADAS AND THE KOTHARI GOONS
> Did you know that a Bohri was a pioneer of development of Bombay. read article below:
> SALEBHOY KARAMJI BARODAWALLA ( A Dawoodi Bohra Icon)
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> Sheriff of Bombay, 1926-27, Landlord and Businessman; Chairman (twice) Improvement Committee of Municipal Corporation, Bombay, 1935, Born 1884, son of Karimji Allibhoy M. Karimji Allibhoy was a landlord and Financer and Partner of M/s. Balkrishna and Curimji Contractors who constructed the Victoria Terminus, Bombay Municipality, Army & Navy Building (twice) Whiteway Laidlaw Building, Anjuman-i-Islam School Building, Churchgate Station Bldg, Salvation Army Building (Fort), his own buildings and various mills, Falak Numa Palace (Hyderabad) and Bezwada Railway, Hyderabad Deccan, Dewan’s Office, Kaiser Baug & Palace, Civil Secretariat, Palaces for His Exalted Highness Hyderabad, Basni Baug Palace of Vik-ul, Uma of Hyderabad, laying of water pipes and building filter beds for the whole of Hyderabad City, Jail and other buildings in Baroda, etc. including the Palace. Also constructed the Railway Track from Baroda to Ahmedabad and various Bridges from Bombay to Baroda, Hyderabad and Bezwada.
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> Was elected in 1907 to Bombay Municipal Corporation and retained the seat for over 31 Years. Member standing Committee of the Corporation for more than nine years and its Chairman, 1916-17, was made J. P. and Honorary Presidency Magistrate, 1908.
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> During the Great World War was responsible for getting about 30 lacs subscribed by his community towards the War Loans without interest was solely responsible in inducing the Government to issue War Loans bearing endorsement “Without Interest”, was more than once Chairman Entertainment Committee for British and Indian Soldiers. At his own expense got a temporary theatre built at Marine Lines for the enjoyment of grounded soldiers. Was awarded Certificates of Merits and was recipient of the Voluntary and General Service Medal 1914-1918 from the Commander-in-Chief. Was mentioned twice in the dispatches during the War, was Capitan of Merit and Cups for marksmanship in the Rifle Shooting.
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> Member of the Bombay Board of Film Censors from 1919-1937; acted for short time as Secretary and President. Chairman, Markets and Garden Committees 1923-34,,Member of the Food and Other Commodity , Committees for B, C and E wards and its Chairman 1914-18. Member of the Law, Revenue and General Purpose Committees and its Chairman. Member of the Doorways and Telephone Committed and its Chairman. Member of the Improvement Trust Board and twice its Chairman 1934 to 1936.
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> Nominated Member, Bombay Legislative Council, 1916-1921. Elected Member Legislative Assembly, 120-23; Vice President and President, All India Muslim Federation from 1926 and Further President All India Hedja Conference 1926. President, All India Muslim Education Conference, Malagam and Surat, 18th April 1917.
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> Regular player in Lord Sydneham’s Cricket Eleven. One time held the All India Lawn Tennis Championship and several times at Islam Gymkhana. Had obtained several times swimming and other indoor and outdoor games Championship prizes. Had the honour of performing the unveiling ceremony of the portraits of Their Excellencies Lord and Lady Willingdon at Viceregal House, 29th March 1933 New Delhi. Was awarded Royal Silver Jubilee Medal, 1935.
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> Founder and Director of The Bombay Chronicle along with the late Sir. Pherozshah Mehta, Kt. It is mentioned in the book published by the Chronicle some years ago. At the request of late Sir Pherozshah Mehta who along with Mr. B. Horniman, Editor of the Chronicle.
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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:22 am

Nalwalla
Some of the more vocal members on our side here to not approve of the stand that people like Stranger, Human being and I take, but that is because.... well, i dont know why!
Nalwalla if the people on this forum (die hard Regressive) do not approve of your stand regarding corruption how do you think the Kothari Goons and Aamils will even listen to people who go and complain and ask for help and other things?

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:54 am

In most towns or cities the Jaman is announced as "aqa mola na taraf se" and this will be a norm everywhere.
Salaam is not voluntary in a majority of cases.We all know that so there is no point discussing that.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:09 am

Adding my bit to SBM's post.
Bohras pioneered the canning/food preserve industry in India ( Mala's).Bohras pioneered indegeneous cosmetics ( E.S. Patan Wala of Afghan Snow ).Bohras pioneerd paints industry ( Bombay Paints ). The pioneers of appartment hotels in the gulf are the Dadabhai's ,another dawoodi Bohra family.One of the earliest and largest poultry farm in Mahrashtra belongs to Dawoodi Bohras (Karachiwala's) Even the major shipchandlers have been dawoodi bohras.C J of India, Justice Miya Bhai was a dawoodi Bohra as well He was also from Ahmedabad and on good terms with The late sayedna. Infact at a party in Surat where all the zaadas were present.The then Sayedna asked Justice Miya Bhai to mingle with his sons and find out who is the smartest.After the party Justice Miya Bhai told him YN! A prominent professor was hired from a top university and NY's education began at home.The Profesor was able to finish his lob in a year and told Sayedna Taher Saifuddin that his job is done as YN was very smart. This story is well known in Ahmedabad.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by zohair1977 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:31 pm

Just go and visit Burhani Society, its called Dawoodi Bohra slum which is right behind Qutbi Roza...

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:17 pm

]IS IT JUST ME OR DID EVERYONE HAS NOTICED THAT ALL THE ABDE REGRESSIVE EXCEPT FOR MUSTAFA ARE ABSENT ON THIS THREAD
ADAM-PROGTICIDE-PROFSTIAN-MURTAZA VD-SHBBIR4U THE DEFENDERS OF KOTHARI GOONS HAVE NOT POSTED ANYTHING ON THIS THREAD, THEY THINK POVERTY DOES NOT EXISTS IN DB COMMUNITY BECAUSE KOTHARI GOONS AKA AAMILS ARE TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE
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Hats off to Bohraji for bringing this tragedy in our community to forefront and I do hope people from Progressive side will stand up and help people thru Bohraji without imposing our beliefs or attacking their beliefs. Humanity first and foremost and rest is just talk.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:53 pm

mustafanalwalla wrote:all the fat salaams that the reformist community keeps talking about, well, peope have made it with their own free will.
Do you understand the difference between 'free will" and "compulsion (majboori)" ? Take the recent example of the dai's recent visit to pune where there were daily qadambosis with an average turnout of around 5000 people. He was seated on his throne and there were seperate queues for ladies/gents i.e. the queue reaching his right foot was of gents and the left one for ladies. Abdes could only manage to kiss his feet and the charges were Rs.5,200/- per head. I agree that many abdes gave the amount voluntarily but there were even poor abdes who had the khwahish of doing qadambosi and had to COMPULSARILY pay Rs.5,200/-, an amount which is enough to take care of their monthly expense. Moreover, have you ANYTIME seen the salam amount "not specified" i.e. has it been told that one has to do salams, the amount not specified ????

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by abde53 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:48 pm

bohraji wrote:Adding my bit to SBM's post.
Bohras pioneered the canning/food preserve industry in India ( Mala's).Bohras pioneered indegeneous cosmetics ( E.S. Patan Wala of Afghan Snow ).Bohras pioneerd paints industry ( Bombay Paints ). The pioneers of appartment hotels in the gulf are the Dadabhai's ,another dawoodi Bohra family.One of the earliest and largest poultry farm in Mahrashtra belongs to Dawoodi Bohras (Karachiwala's) Even the major shipchandlers have been dawoodi bohras.C J of India, Justice Miya Bhai was a dawoodi Bohra as well He was also from Ahmedabad and on good terms with The late sayedna. Infact at a party in Surat where all the zaadas were present.The then Sayedna asked Justice Miya Bhai to mingle with his sons and find out who is the smartest.After the party Justice Miya Bhai told him YN! A prominent professor was hired from a top university and NY's education began at home.The Profesor was able to finish his lob in a year and told Sayedna Taher Saifuddin that his job is done as YN was very smart. This story is well known in Ahmedabad.
and all that happend because of our shafiq bawa TUS duas and wasila, all these people are our shafiq bawa's adna ghulam and our because of his dua and ehsan our community is prospering and doing good May our shafiq bawa TUS and his mansoos syedi wa moulai Muffadal bs TUS live ta qayamat and help with the prosperity of our community. remembers it is our shafiq bawa TUS who gave raza to organize trade fair in mumbai too.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:18 am

Seconding SBM's post.
Where are the othos gon?
Are we as a community reduced to shouting laanats only. Did not Mola ALi gave all the money he had to a poor person even though his family was starving? Why is that the othos are quiet on this subject?
Did not Imam Zainal Abedin go out in the dark of night with a bag of food and fed the hungry? Just look around amongst our own people.Yu will find poor young people who cannot get married because they are not rich enough. Just inqire about a bohra asking for alms near a roza and you will know that he has hungry children at home.Next time you buy an expensive attar to put on a mazaar,just look at the steps of the roza.Thre will be an old widow sitting ,her dark rida a stark contrast to the whiter than white marble of the masoleum.The amount you paid for the attar could have bought her the medicines that she badly needs.However we beleive that her dirty clothes have blended with her white surroundings and she was invisible to our eyes.
Let us open the eyes of our souls instead.Try to help a dsititute today.Look around in the Jamaat Khana the next time.There will be a thaal of the outcasts.They are shown no respect as they cannot afford shiny topis.The next time you have a jaman done ,please make sure that you invite atleats one such person.try to cut down an extra Kharas and extra mithai.And instead do a sadaqa of the same amount of money.Perhaps a child will be able to buy a uniform and will not be ridiculed at school.Stop doing the monthly,pehli tarikh salaam to your amil,instead buy a pencil box and give it to a poor child.The Amil has his food taken care of and is being his wazifa,the salaams should be a token amount only.
Let our faces shine on the day of Judgement and proclaim proudly to Allah,and say ,yes , I did try to live like Ali. As brother SBM told me,let us help one person,one family at a time.Let us rather give one chappati to a living hungry child then a rose on the grave of a dead loved one.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by aqs » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:56 am

bohraji wrote:Seconding SBM's post.
Where are the othos gon?
Are we as a community reduced to shouting laanats only. Did not Mola ALi gave all the money he had to a poor person even though his family was starving? Why is that the othos are quiet on this subject?
Did not Imam Zainal Abedin go out in the dark of night with a bag of food and fed the hungry? Just look around amongst our own people.Yu will find poor young people who cannot get married because they are not rich enough. Just inqire about a bohra asking for alms near a roza and you will know that he has hungry children at home.Next time you buy an expensive attar to put on a mazaar,just look at the steps of the roza.Thre will be an old widow sitting ,her dark rida a stark contrast to the whiter than white marble of the masoleum.The amount you paid for the attar could have bought her the medicines that she badly needs.However we beleive that her dirty clothes have blended with her white surroundings and she was invisible to our eyes.
Let us open the eyes of our souls instead.Try to help a dsititute today.Look around in the Jamaat Khana the next time.There will be a thaal of the outcasts.They are shown no respect as they cannot afford shiny topis.The next time you have a jaman done ,please make sure that you invite atleats one such person.try to cut down an extra Kharas and extra mithai.And instead do a sadaqa of the same amount of money.Perhaps a child will be able to buy a uniform and will not be ridiculed at school.Stop doing the monthly,pehli tarikh salaam to your amil,instead buy a pencil box and give it to a poor child.The Amil has his food taken care of and is being his wazifa,the salaams should be a token amount only.
Let our faces shine on the day of Judgement and proclaim proudly to Allah,and say ,yes , I did try to live like Ali. As brother SBM told me,let us help one person,one family at a time.Let us rather give one chappati to a living hungry child then a rose on the grave of a dead loved one.
@Bohraji,

To a very large extent i agree with your post and intention and we should follow. We all are doing our part in helping our brethren in need but its not enough as we can still see people who are in despair. Faizul Mawaid Al Burhania is one such scheme which has the potential to change things in the community on ground level. People on this Forum have been harping about only negatives of the scheme forgetting how many of our less fortunate brothers are getting decent quality food because of this. This is in no way a favor to them as its ordained on us to help them.

Dont blame the whole community because of few bad apples, WE (you and others on this forum are a part of WE) all have been brought up in the same environment with same kind of teachings from our parents and we also feel the anguish in the same way. As said earlier every one is doing their part, its just that more needs to be done.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:10 am

"As said earlier every one is doing their part, its just that more needs to be done."...Aqs.
Dear Aqs Bhai.
That is the whole point! Every body is not doing their part. The priestly class has brainwashed the young generation to a large extent.They beleive najaat is gained by paying the establishment as most do not know the ground realities of our community.When this community can afford to pay for the lavish lifestyles of the Kothar,the Benzes,the diamond,the rubies, etc.Then the same community can take care of their own needy.The bulk are made to beleive that the money paid to kotahr is used for charity.But where is the charity when we can spot children with worn out jablo izaar,coming to the jamaat khaana just so that they may get food.Where is the charity when young boys in rajasthan have to leave midway from college to go to the gulf to earn.I can go on and on.
I am glad that we agree on many things.Even I am for the dabba system.A lot of poor are benefitted.ofcourse a lot is being syphoned as well.
Let us change, as we change,the world changes.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by aqs » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:19 am

Topic should be renamed to Poverty in Bohras as its not exclusive of Ahmedabad only. As GM, AZ and others have mentioned about Mumbai and Surat almost every Bohra City has people who are finding it hard to make their ends meet. Food, Medicine, Education every basic need has skyrocketed in India and Pakistan. We have a habit of paying to Kothar and then closing our eyes to poverty strewn in front of us, we think they are being taken care by Moula and their is no need for us to directly help and shamelessly we sometimes blame poor people for just using the resources or money given by Kothar which in reality might have never reached them.

Its time we on our own individual level start helping just one mumin at a time(as mentioned by Br. SBM and others), dont wait for Kothar or others to take care of needy its our duty to help, if you want to take help of others and organise its good otherwise one can also help it just needs the will.

Start with things not used in your household but is in good condition, donate cloths, blankets, extra crockery, stationary, school books, Uniform, ration for a month to a family.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:58 am

Bohraji

Hats off to you ! I appreciate your thinking and provoked a conscience in reader’s heart. May Allah bless you. I also agree with Aqs, few bad apples spoil the whole basket.

Thus such corrupt apples shall be identified, punished and reformed. Many people cry about corruption and express helplessness to fight corruption, Cowardly we have accepted corruption in our tiny closely controlled community as norm of life. Comparative examples are given with large size governance of countries with Bohra community its limited size and ability to control can weed out corruption

Corruption can be reduced if not eliminated. A tightly held community where a policy implementation is fastest, can work wonders if top management decides to get rid of corruption. The sad irony is “Rakshak hi Bhakshak ban gaye hai”

When transparency, accountability, discipline and clarity of schemes are existent, then there is little chance of failure or wastage or corruption. I can stretch my imagination and dream of a world, the difference bohra community members can bring with concerted effort, wealth, expertise and blessing from Allah.

We don’t need gold zaris, we don’t need fancy resorts around musoleums, we don’t need superstitious Faals, we don’t need money oriented respect. We need schools, we need medical assistance, we need housing schemes, we need scholarship programs, we need old age homes, we need vocational training centres. More and more, here and there, now and then !

We need to change our mindset; expression of love shall be deeds not money ! money has become a benchmark to express respect and affection. Be it salaams, galla, chaadar, silver faals.

Let coordinators, organizers, volunteers, planners and managers of association be paid handsomely to carry out charity work as NGO do. But let their be transparency. Imagine the revolution we can achieve if we apply commerce strategies (SCM, transportation theory, accountability, delegation and internal controls)

I have come across some good schemes recently ! better late then never :

Kuwait Jamaat undertook a massive drive to revamp / renovate living conditions of all Bohra mumineen living in Kuwait; family or bachelors. Houses were inspected as per benchmark quality standards and repairs were suggested and arranged with shared expenses.

Thali / Dabba scheme has helped many bohra mumins, who are living on meagre salaries. Struggling in a strange land away from family. Debt to pay off and lacking talent to improve their income in short span.

Bit by Bit, let good work happen. Inshallah I stand in support of every good initiative undertaken. There will be bad apples, they need to be picked up before they become a disease !

I will continue to pay sabeel, wajebaat, hoob to the extent I feel justified that its going in Khair-na-kam. Every bohra mumin shall be aware and take effort to know what he /she is participating into. Washing off responsibility by entrusting chunk of wealth into other’s hands inspite of seeing visible corruption is not faith. Charity is a responsibility not a duty !

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:11 am

Mashallah!
Look at the community we are in.
Just a few words have inspired people to change their view of thinking.I have always beleived in the kindness of human nature and yes let us stop paying off the fat salaams .One person,one family at a time.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:49 am

What Bohraji is saying does strike a chord somewhere.

The next time i decide to put money in the galla, i think i will give it to a poor person. And the next time i take my son to mc donalds, i shall make sure i buy atleast 2 small burgers for the kids outside.

He is right, we need to change ourselves first, then the community, then the nation and then the world.

Thank you Bohraji, your words have opened my eyes...

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Br, Aqs-Mustafa-HB and Bohraji
Thank you and specially to Mustafa Nalwalla, I am glad that you are seeing the things in right direction May Allah reward you and your family for doing the right and helping people in need
Br Aqs always the voice of reason-I just donot think that I will put any money in the GOLAKS as you suggested but instead do what Bohraji and Nalwala suggested and as done by Bohraji-- DIRECT HELP TO PEOPLE IN NEED

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:01 am

Eradicating poverty is more important than giving handouts, $1 sadaqa when visiting a roza will not eradicate poverty. It may benefit the giver by emotional satisfaction.

The fundamental way is education, employment, self employment , giving skills and tools to earn a living, health prevention and cure to make people productive in labour, birth control, political freedom to challenge corruption, etc etc

This may sound bigotry but how many bohras employ non bohra shop assistants, chauffeurs , workshop workers and house helps, there is nothing wrong or shameful in employing fellow bohras and treating and paying them a decent wage, objective is to reduce unemployment .

Sponsor kids in schools so they finish college, help them find jobs or employ them fairly. Buy or rent them low cost housing.

I do not know the numbers but ejamaat will have the stats, how many bohras are below the poverty line globally, , 1 lake or 5 lakh out of the 1millon population.

For discussion Assuming 3 Laks because India as a general has 40% people living below unesco poverty levels so 30% in bohras cannot be far from the real figure. This is equivalent to 1 lakh families. If they need rupees 5000 per month to live above poverty then the benovalent fund has to be in the range 500 million rupees a month or say 5 billion rupees a year which is approx $ 100 million dollars a year.

Roughly $200 per person who is not poor. Say for discussion this is $1000 per family. Now if a large portion of wajebat was used for this, sincerely, I would not mind giving $1100 where $100 could be kothars profit. I know in the west the average or mimimum figures are as high as $3000 wajebat. So there is no excuse that the admins have no funds for the cause, if they reduced their greed

Sponsor a bohra family from overseas like I have where I have adopted a kid through a local charity and will educate her for the rest of her school life...however in my case it is a non bohra because there is no trust worthy well run charity that I know of which operates the way I have described or like world vision or red cross.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:09 am

Br Ozmujaheed
Eradicating poverty is more important than giving handouts, $1 sadaqa when visiting a roza will not eradicate poverty. It may benefit the giver by emotional satisfaction.
What you are saying is very true but it is not the within the scope of these small group of people from both side of spectrum who are trying to help one person or one family at a time. Eradication of poverty requires lot of efforts with NGOs Remember India's famous political slogan GHARIBI HATAAO all it did was remove the Ghaarib.
What Bohraji is doing is commendable and please help him in his efforts As was said in a movie Upkaar which I saw yesterday RATION PEY BHASHAN HEY, BHASHAN PEY RASTION NAHI
We need action and Bohraji's actions are commendable you see the results already, MN-Stranger and many other unnamed people are already doing it discreetly
I did not mean to offend you just wanted to make sure that we do not get off topic of helping the people within our means

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:20 am

Sbm no offence taken

One person is better than non..but not thinking big is naive especially for exaggerated egoistic community of ours.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:32 am

OZ Bhai,
Do not generalise the whole community.It is this same very community where total strangers,SBM,Mustafanalwala,AZ,Asghar bhai,one momina bain, have come together from 3 different countries and wrote to me personally just so that they can help total strangers who are in need. Do not generalsie.There is a lot of good in everybody, we are all humans.Even Hurr was in the yazidi camp.But look what happened.He realised his mistake and was given the honour of the first shahadat at Karbala.Imam Hussain allowed him first because he was the guest and if his death was delayed then Hurr would have sufferd in the scorching heat for a few more hours.
Do you not agree OZ bhai?

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:44 am

I'm liking what I'm seeing here. It's a good idea not to put any money in the galla. We should start a campaign - by word of mouth, by email or by any other means - and persuade people not to put money in the galla but instead help the needy directly. With salamas there is sort of an obligation, but gulla donation is voluntary and people must be made to understand that they can disburse that donation the way they like. They don't have to put it in the galla. Because once there, there's no knowing where it goes.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:50 pm

The money spent on a SINGLE ziafat is enough for almost 100 poor bohras to start a small business (like hawking) which means it can take care of a 100 families for a lifetime, a single hadiyat can take care of almost 50 bohras but do we find any abde thinking from that perspective and diverting those funds for this genuine cause ??

Very few must be aware that mazun's sons engage in real and constructive charitable work. They personally visit pockets of mumbra, mumbai and help many bohras without any pomp and show. Mazun's children are the MOST educated lot amongst the entire saifee mahal and yet they are very down to earth and wear very simple clothes. Their charities are not known to bohras because they themselves do not publicise it and moreover they are side tracked due to the power struggle in saifee mahal and not given publicity on kothar sponsored sites.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:33 pm

A humble request to all:
Please keep this thread for Bohraji's mission and let us see how many people can join in helping people who really needs help. Poverty does not differentiate between Progressives and Orthos. Please stay on the topic of poverty and how to help instead of diverting to others
So far positive responses from AZ, MN, HB please make it viral
I know this forum is being monitored by Kothari Goons and if this thread and forum can shame them in helping those unfortunate Mumineen I think this forum has already caused reverberation
Adam-Progticide-Profstian-Shabbir4U-Murtaza VD-Abde53 where are you all and do you believe what Bohraji says is true. As far as I am concerned I have verified and I know Bohraji is very sincere and he is doing what he is preaching.

bohraji
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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

#55

Unread post by bohraji » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:40 am

Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

#56

Unread post by mmv » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:08 am

bohraji wrote:Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.
Count me too with you, I send you PM, Please reply to it

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

#57

Unread post by bohraji » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:35 am

@mmv
Salaam, I do not have the PM .please resend it.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

#58

Unread post by asif786 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:34 am

bohraji wrote:Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.
Bohraji

Pls count me in .I have sent you PM pls reply
JAK

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

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Unread post by bohraji » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:03 am

Salaam Alaikum,
To those people who have sent me a PM,
Please give me a few days to send you the contact info as requested.
I am still wiating for the fanatics to respond.

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Re: Poverty in Ahmedabad

#60

Unread post by bohraji » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:56 am

Salaam Alaikum,
I would like to bring to your attention,if those who still think that acute poverty does not exist in our community.
There is place near the mazaar of Molai Adam Saheb (The same highly learned person who prayed behind a bhisti to prove his humbleness and obedeince to the the farmaan of his dai) called Eint Waada.This is nothing but jhopad pattis being inhabited by dawoodi bohras.Things are really bad there and this is just one of the places.Dirty,filthy squalid conditions.Improper sanitation and it is just pathetic.Let us not turn a blind eye to this.Let us open up to the stark realities and visualise the life of our fellow mumins.No white kurtas for them to wear,no mutton or chicken to eat,its just watery kichdee and watery daal.Forget the comforts of an AC kothri these poor souls will not even be allowed in the hall.