Proggy gets a lesson in Haqiqat.

[porus]

This special sabak was arranged by our local Aamil (A) for a wayward Proggy (P). A has promised P a follow-up lesson where he will explain the real (haqiqi) meaning of Kaaba and Qibla.


P: Bowing with folded hands, prostration to Leader and his offsprings. Is this Islam?

A: Yes of course. It is what Allah has ordained and we follow Allah.

P: Really? Can you justify that from the Quran.

A: Yes, of course. Have you not heard that Allah ordered angels to prostrate before a Leader, Adam?

P: Was Adam a Leader of angels?

A: Actually, yes. He represented Allah and just as Allah is the Leader, whomever he appoints for prostration or obedience (Taa:at = طاعة) is a Leader for all, angels, jinn and mankind.

P: How do good works (Saalihat = صالحة ) feature in all this?

A: Good works are important but they are useless unless there is love and obedience (walaayat and Taa:at) of Allah’s appointed Leader. And you cannot know what good works are unless you first love and obey the Leader.

P: So why does Quran say, in ayat 41:37, not to prostrate to anyone other than Allah?

A: Understand the ayat properly. It means not only Allah but also His appointed Leader.

P: You don’t say!

A: It appears that you have no understanding of Islam’s true haqiqat. Allah is not in this visible universe. So, you cannot prostrate to Him. You can only prostrate to a Leader whom He appoints and who is in this world and represents Allah.

P: That is just what the Hindus say. They only prostrate to idols because they represent God.

A: I am not interested in what Hindus say. Do you want to understand haqiqat or not?

P: Sorry about that, please continue.

A: Before mankind was created, that is before Adam was created, Allah created Reason = الاقل , known as al-aql al-awwal = First Reason. This was pure substance which is incommensurate and it is known in Arabic as al-Jawhar = الجوهر

P: Fascinating! Please go on.

A: First Reason was pure reason and he immediately recognized that he was created by Allah and accepted Allah’s supremacy. However, Allah wanted something less than pure reason to create a game about who can recognize the Leader. So he created a soul called al-nafs al-kullliya = النفس الكلية . This soul was endowed with ‘reason’ which was a small replica of aql awwal. He thus became al-aql al-thaani, the Second Reason.

P: What was the point in this?

A: Now, the Second Reason recognized the supremacy of the First Reason, who he determined was the very manifestation, mazhar = مظهر of Allah. So he accepted him as his Leader and prostrated before him. Allah was pleased with his creation.

P: Interesting. Please tell me more.

A: This went on until the last aql who was Adam, a proto-human was created. Those who refused to prostrate before him became Shaytaans and Zaalims. And Allah invoked Laanats on them.

P: Really?

A: It is therefore clear who Sahytaans and Zaalims are. They are the ones who refuse to prostrate before the Leader appointed by Allah.

P: Tell me why do you think Dai is the leader appointed by Allah?

A: That is simple. Allah said in ayat 2:124 that Leaders will be from progeny of Nabi Ibrahim. Every leader will be born a leader and Allah will send a special message to the incumbent leader to announce the next leader.

P: So, is the Dai from progeny of Nabi Ibrahim?

A: Yes. He is the Leader, isn’t he? And leader can only be from the progeny of Nabi Ibrahim?

P: What about other Dais and Imams who claim that they are the true leaders appointed by Allah?

A: Do not listen to them. They are arrogant and want to lead you astray. They are Shayateen and Zalimeen and Allah’s laanat is upon them.

P: So, Islam means prostrating to Leader appointed by Allah and the Leader is the one you follow.

A: You have learned well. My Dai, and he alone, is the mazhar of Allah. Please arrange prostration to Dai as soon as possible. Do not forget araz of faakhir najwa and salaam in his august presence (hazarat).

P: That is difficult, he being far from here.

A: No problem. You can prostrate to me and offer me the qadambosi, salaam and faakhitr najwa.

P: Thank you. That was an enlightening sabak. Goodbye.

A: Aren’t you forgetting something?

P: O, Am I?

A: Faakhir najwa and salaam and qadambosi and sujood to me.

P: Of course. Till next time then, Goodbye.

[anajmi]

A beautiful fairy tale created to fool abde idiots, although I do believe that they could've been fooled with something far more simpler than this yarn.

[Peace]

Porus
I am very impressed by your eloquent style. Would you like to join me on Skype? ID: bird.nest4

[profastian]

No matter how many lessons P takes, he will remain an idiot.

[ghulam muhammed]

No matter how many lessons P takes, he will remain an idiot.

Atlast !! The final outcome of 'Haqiqat nu bayan' is proved by none other then a diehard abde.

[anajmi]

No matter how many lessons P takes, he will remain an idiot.

No doubt. As long as he is taking lessons from A he will remain an idiot. But it looks like he showed the finger to A just before departing.

[Adam]

Numerous mistakes mentioned by Porus.
But i'll refrain from correcting them, as obviously his elderly brain has now turned into one of an incompetent child.
So much for the once upon a time somewhat intelligent philosophical Porus. His days have passed.
Even though he's not a Dawoodi Bohra, he doesn't seem to have anything better to do. (Like focus and improve his own beliefs ad religion).
Like a monkey trying to imitate humans?
(Sorry for the harsh words, the truth hurts)

[fearAllah]

Numerous mistakes mentioned by Porus.
But i'll refrain from correcting them, as obviously his elderly brain has now turned into one of an incompetent child.
So much for the once upon a time somewhat intelligent philosophical Porus. His days have passed.
Even though he's not a Dawoodi Bohra, he doesn't seem to have anything better to do. (Like focus and improve his own beliefs ad religion).
Like a monkey trying to imitate humans?
(Sorry for the harsh words, the truth hurts)

Truth is bitter to swallow I guess for you, thats why always confused confused!

Wonderful post Porus bhai, its the same story everywhere in Burhan's fools paradise!

[Muslim First]

Adam Bhai Saheb Said
(Sorry for the harsh words, the truth hurts )

Please let us know, Where it hurts?

Ooper ke Niche?

[ghulam muhammed]

Like a monkey trying to imitate humans?(Sorry for the harsh words, the truth hurts)

It seems that you plead ignorance to the dai's actions which imitates a lot of rare and wierd creatures but I would refrain from quoting them as it may sound too harsh........... I know truth hurts.

Numerous mistakes mentioned by Porus.But i'll refrain from correcting them

On all other threads you do nothing but try to "correct" people so why not here ? Its obvious that you do not have any satisfying answers to porus' posts as otherwise you would immediately counter that.

[porus]

First sabak redux. Our wayward Progressive (P) expresses his confusion (confusion, confusion!) to the Aamil (A) following the first sabak.
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P: Thank you for offering me a lesson on Kaaba and Qibla, but I need some explanation before I feel ready to continue with that lesson.

A: That is why I am here. I can answer all your questions.

P: Thank you. First, I have heard that angels and jinn were already worshipping Allah before creation of Adam. How did they worship Him? Did they prostrate to (perform sujood to) to Allah?

A: Look, I have already told you that Allah is not part of Creation. His presence is not perceived. They prostrated to an aql, a Leader from a series between the 2nd and the 10th aql.

P: I did not quite get that. You said aql awwal was created first and 10th aql was Adam. So when were angels and jinn created?

A: They were created after aql awwal and before aql aashir, the tenth Reason.

P: So, how did the angels recognize this Leader and prostrate to him?

A: Every being whether an angel, a jinn or a human is endowed with aql. Further, some beings are selected by Allah to be graced with the presence in them of His light = نور (noor). Beings have the capacity, if they choose to use it, to recognize this light as manifestation of Allah. They will then recognize the individual possessing the light as the Leader and prostrate to him and worship him.

P: So, worshiping Allah actually means worshiping the Leader?

A: Yes.

P: When did Allah create this noor?

A: This question is best left until you have reached an aa:ala daraja of sabak. You must learn to walk before attempting to run. But I will give you a hint. Allah and His Light are one and the same.

P: Really? So Allah shares His light with others? This sounds like shirk. What happened to Tawheed?

A: Tawheed refers to eternal existence of a Leader on the planet. That is a different lesson. We will talk about kalimat tawheed and kalimat Imamat (Leadership) later.

P: Isn’t prostration part of namaaz? We face the Kaaba while prostrating. Do you consider the Kaaba as your Leader?

A: We will come to Kaaba and Qibla when your education progresses.

P: So tell me. Why us prostrating to a Leader who represents Allah is not like Hindus prostrating to an idol which represents God?

A: Look, I will assist you in clearing your confusion. Let me ask you a question. Who created their idols?

P: They did. I mean, the people did.

A: There is your answer. Only people create idols. Who do you think created the Leader?

P: Oh, I see.

A: Yes, ordinary people also create/nominate their leaders and they make idols out of them. Our Leader was created by Allah and we worship him because of that. He is mazhar of Allah and worshipping Allah, who cannot be directly worshipped, means worshipping the Leader.

P: Is that why I am always being asked “Who is your Leader”?

A: Yes. You must identify which person you are prostrating to. If you do not offer sajda to the right Leader, then you cannot be a mumin. You will incur Allah’s laanat and will end up in hell.

P: O, bother!

A: Yes, the Truth hurts.

[anajmi]

Our Leader was created by Allah and we worship him because of that.

6:102
Such is God, your Sustainer: there is no deity save Him, the creator of everything:

13:16
......"God is the creator of all things; and He is the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists."

39:62
GOD is the creator of all things,...

Hindus worship all things because God is the creator of all things. Bohras have already become part Hindus. They will achieve complete nirvana (enlightenment) as soon as they start worshipping all things. Oh how stupid was I to have left our great religion. I want to bow bow bow to the Dai and become a bohra hindu again. God says in the Quran, do not do sajda to the sun and the moon, but it is God who created the Sun and the Moon and the Hindus bow bow bow to the sun and the moon. We need to re-interpret the ayah. When Allah says do not worship the Sun and the Moon, he means idols of the Sun and the Moon created by man. But the real Sun and the Moon out there in the Solar System can be worshipped. Oh what a fool have I been!!!

[Humsafar]

Porus, thank you for these lessons, now I can go out and worship the Dai boldly, with full knowledge and understanding. Hope you'll continue these lessons so that my Dai-wosrhip can become more enlightened. I've a question: what is the proper Burhani abde etiquette of performing sajda, do I completely prostrate myself on the ground and kiss the ground and the feet of the Dai? Or just kissing the thigh/knee or the feet is acceptable without prostrating? And if I've to bend with folded hands, must I bend at 90 degree from the waist? And what about that "rova jivu mooh", is that mandatory part of Burhani abde beliefs? Sorry, I thought I only had one questions, but in my zeal for Dai-worship, I cannot control myself. Hope you don't mind.

[fearAllah]

just kissing the thigh/knee or the feet

When kissing the feet I recommend also sniffing the socks, its called "double dose", once in a lifetime sawab!

[porus]

Porus, thank you for these lessons, now I can go out and worship the Dai boldly, with full knowledge and understanding. Hope you'll continue these lessons so that my Dai-wosrhip can become more enlightened. I've a question: what is the proper Burhani abde etiquette of performing sajda, do I completely prostrate myself on the ground and kiss the ground and the feet of the Dai? Or just kissing the thigh/knee or the feet is acceptable without prostrating? And if I've to bend with folded hands, must I bend at 90 degree from the waist? And what about that "rova jivu mooh", is that mandatory part of Burhani abde beliefs? Sorry, I thought I only had one questions, but in my zeal for Dai-worship, I cannot control myself. Hope you don't mind.

Humsafar,

I am glad that you are getting into the spirit of the sabak. I must thank the Amil for letting me sit in on the sabak he was giving to our wayward Proggy. I had hoped to continue doing that and report the sabak here. But one of our esteemed forum participants, namely Adam, has informed the Amil that I am not a Dawoodi Bohra; and so he has barred me from attending further sabaks. But don't lose heart. I am not the one to give up easily. Just wait and see.

Now you must get a control over yourself. This is how you will do it in accordance with proper etiquette thrown in. When you are allowed in the august presence of the Leader, make sure you never look directly at him but direct your gaze on the floor. Bend your waist 90 degrees and do tasleem 3 times. Then get down on your knees and kiss the floor in front of the Leader. Without undue haste, crawl on your knees towards him. When you are close, perform sajda to your leader just like you are performing it in namaaz and then slowly rise from sujood and kiss his feet. If he is sitting in a traditional Bohra posture, his feet will be behind him. So, slowly extend your torso behind him and kiss his feet. Kiss his knees and thighs for good measure. Take the fat envelope out of your pocket and with it do your 'salaam' to him. It is at that time that you will make 'rowa jewu muh' and go into spasm of sobs and weep profusely. You will ask him to forgive you of all your sins. If you are lucky, you will get a pat on your back and an usher will escort you out. Make sure you never raise your eyes to look at him. You will feel like you have been in heaven!

You will become a good abde, I am sure.

Unlike anjami, an incorrigible laanati, who refuses to prostrate to the Leader. He will go to hell, no doubt. I will have to respond to his post which shows he did not understand the sabak at all.

Till then, may Mola be with you and moolah be with the Leader!

[bohri]

Porus,

I too, like my friend Humsafar, am indebted to you indeed for this lesson. Now I understand why I need a leader and why I should follow him unconditionally. My problem is I am a proggy and have multiple sources of information and none of them are proclaiming themselves as the haqiqi kaaba. That's why Adam was saying I was confused. Now that you have explained it so well, I realize I must be confused. I will abandon this nonsense of my own aql and stupid questions like why the dai is so cozy with Modi. You have explained it, it is clear as daylight in the Quran that we should do sajda to the dai.

I look forward to your response to Humsafar on how to do the proper sajda so I too can become a willing and obedient slave.

[anajmi]

Allah says that Islam has been made easy for us. Hence, of all the acts mentioned by porus above, only one is fard and that is the act of handing over the fat envelope. All other acts are sunnah!!

[Humsafar]

Porus, thank you for your detailed response. You're so well-versed in the protocol of doing sajda that I'm sure your detractors will be ashamed of accusing you of your "elderly brain" turning into "an incompetent child". What Adam couldn't do, you've done. You turned my friend "bohri" an unrepentant and unpleasant proggy into a ululating abde. Halelluja!! Maybe Adam and his acolytes should take a lesson or two from you.
I liked the part where I must "slowly extend (my) torso behind him and kiss his feet". Gosh, I'm going crazy just thinking of it. But when I thought deeply about it, I realised that if I did that I'll be only kissing the sole of his feet, that might tickle the Dai and cause him discomfort. Instead, is it possible that I slowly and gently pull his leg out from underneath his derriere and then kiss it? Please let me know.
I'm shocked to know that the Amil has banned you from the sabak. Now what will happen to me? I'm only half-enlightened, you can't go into "satr" leaving me in "majdhaar" like this. Please do something. I'm told that usually a fat salam - a really fat salam - (a fard as anajmi says) can smooth things over in such situations. I can contribute to the "fatness" of that salam through PayPal. Please PM me your account details. Hope to hear from you soon.
Forever yours in dai-worship.

[ghulam muhammed]

I realised that if I did that I'll be only kissing the sole of his feet, that might tickle the Dai and cause him discomfort

The pleasure of a fat envelope overshadows all the discomforts, so dont worry just go ahead, I bet he will he will not feel the tickle !!

[porus]

Instead, is it possible that I slowly and gently pull his leg out from underneath his derriere and then kiss it? Please let me know.

You want to pull the Leader's qadam mubarak, or, as we say in English, 'pull his leg' ? Are you out of your senses?

No, gently kiss his feet without tugging at them in any way. As fearAllah suggests, you may surreptitiously, sniff at his socks if he is wearing them. You will experience an aroma more gratifying than the one emanating from the choicest attar of al-:ood you can get in all of Arabia.

[porus]

Our Leader was created by Allah and we worship him because of that.

Hindus worship all things because God is the creator of all things. ...... When Allah says do not worship the Sun and the Moon, he means idols of the Sun and the Moon created by man. But the real Sun and the Moon out there in the Solar System can be worshipped.

anajmi,

A has come to know of your comment and asked P to clarify the sabak for you so you may join Humsafar and bohri in realization of Haqiqat. This is P's message to you.

Mumins do not worship just anything created by Allah, especially the lifeless objects like the Sun and the Moon. They never, in truth, prostrate facing the so-called Kaaba, a truly lifeless ancient relic situated in Makkah in Hejaz, Arabia. That Kaaba is just an idol, like a Hindu idol, representing the Leader who is the Haqiqi Kaaba. You will learn about Haqiqi Kaaba when P's lessons continue and I am able to report it. As you are aware, due to Adam's fitnat, I have been banned from sabaks.

In truth, mumins only worship a living being, mostly human, who has been graced with Allah's noor. These beings are the Leader and his, mostly male, offspring.

I hope that the sabak is now clear to you.

[anajmi]

porus,

I have seen our bohra brothers bow down in front of Modi. How is that possible? How can we bow down to others besides our shafiq bawa? Isn't that like committing shirk against our shafiq bawa? This is my last question on this topic before I fall down on my torso ready to kiss feet and smell socks.

[ghulam muhammed]

I have seen our bohra brothers bow down in front of Modi. How is that possible? How can we bow down to others besides our shafiq bawa? Isn't that like committing shirk against our shafiq bawa?

Bohras bow down to Modi because the shafiq bawa has put his "shafaqat no haath" on him by honouring and felicitating him in his Masjid, draping a shawl around him and giving him a cheque of more then Rs.One crore........ Is that not enough reason for abdes to bow down to someone whom their shafiq bawa so admires and moreover abdes saw a mojiza when for the first time they saw their shafiq bawa GIVING a crore to someone rather then SNATCHING it away.

[anajmi]

My torso in on the floor writhing like Sri Devi in Nagina to kiss Maula's feet!

[ghulam muhammed]

My torso in on the floor writhing like Sri Devi in Nagina to kiss Maula's feet!

Is Muffy around playing the Beeeen !!

[porus]

porus,

I have seen our bohra brothers bow down in front of Modi. How is that possible? How can we bow down to others besides our shafiq bawa? Isn't that like committing shirk against our shafiq bawa? This is my last question on this topic before I fall down on my torso ready to kiss feet and smell socks.

P: Why do we bow down and touch feet of Narendra Modi (NaMo)? Is that not shirk?

A: Look, I have already explained to you that shirk is a sin against Tawheed and it is not permitted. Tawheed means eternal presence of Leader on the planet. Our deen is Islam which means submission to the will of Allah. Since the Leader is mazhar of Allah, Islam means submission to the will of the Leader. Shirk refers to the sin of not recognizing and accepting the eternal Leadership of our Leader.

P: Is that why we perform Tasleem to our Leader?

A: You have learned well. Tasleem is just another word for submission. It comes from the same root as the word Islam. The roots are seen, laam, meem. And do not forget total submission to the Leader is expressed by performing sujood to him. NaMo deserves ruku and taqbeel but not sujood, at least not just yet.

P: But NaMo is not the Leader or an offspring of the Leader, is he?

A: Just as Allah shares his divine noor with the Leader, our Leader can share a bit with others. And NaMO is clearly deserving of such honor.

P: What do you think Allah will have to say about this? Has our Leader consulted with Him before giving this singular honor to Modi?

A: Not yet, but our Leader has a way of persuading Him.

P: But,.... I have heard that NamO is allegedly implicated in the massacre of Muslims.

A: Our Leader will not do anything that is not the wish of Allah. Remember he is Masoom, which means he cannot err in any way. In any case, Muslims are not Mumins.

P: Thank you for that insight. I will do tasleem and ruku to NaMo on my next visit to Ahmedabad.

A: At a boy!

[Muslim First]

Br Porus
Eye opening

Our Leader will not do anything that is not the wish of Allah. Remember he is Masoom, which means he cannot err in any way. In any case, Muslims are not Mumins.

(Burhani Guard dogs please restrain yourself. This is just appriciation of br porus's superior insight.)

[anajmi]

The beauty of bohra infallibility is that he cannot err because he is infallible. One doesn't need to not err to become infallible. I have started throwing out the copies of Quran that I have in my house because it has led me away from the true worship of our shafiq bawa. I am also trying to unlearn the little arabic that I have learnt so I can worship our envelope-baba without prejudice.

[Humsafar]

Porus, good to know that you have sneaked your way back into the sabaks. (Sighing with relief!!!!) BTW, this is what I've heard, and I want you to confirm it. I'm told that these sabaks are like yoga where a lot of stretching goes on. It's called Burhani Yoga and the main asana they practice is the Satya Kheench Asana (Stretching the Truth Posture) and I've learned that it was invented by our own Patanjali, Sayedna Taher Saifuddin.
Here's how this Satya Kheench Asana works. Participants are given a belief or a historical fact and told to stretch it, stretch it hard and long till they are able fit it around dai-worship. For example:
1) Angels were commanded to bow down to Adam: This belief is stretched and stretched so much that doing sajda to the Dai becomes a most natural thing to do. (Your explanation of the Leader as mazhar of Allah is also true, but I think it is a bit too nuanced for abdes).

2) Syedna Ali Sulaiyhi requested raza from Imam Mustansir to perform haj: This fact is stretched and stretched to such an extent that the raza of Dai for everything is made into a core abde belief.

These are just two examples of Satya Kheench Asana. If you know of more please bring them forward. As you know Yoga is an in thing these days and Burhani Yoga is catching on like a wild fire. And I'm burning in my passion for dai-worship.

[anajmi]

We should all take some time to read this on the front page of this forum.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/news/1374/107 ... e_comment/

This guy commits blasphemy against our palki-baba. No wonder he got kicked so many times.