After death

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profastian
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After death

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Unread post by profastian » Wed May 23, 2012 2:57 am

Does the proggy sect believe in life after death.
What will happen after death?

Hussaini
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Re: After death

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Unread post by Hussaini » Wed May 23, 2012 3:03 am

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simple
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Re: After death

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Unread post by simple » Wed May 23, 2012 3:56 am

this is my personal view to yr question .

"aap marne ke baad jannat ki or jannam ki baat to bahot karte ho
meri oukaat kya he , me to ek kaaafir inshan hu to me kya batau;
aap hi ek inshaan ya oliya bata dijye jo marne ke baad vapas aya he batane ke liye ke waha kya he.........."

bohraji
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Re: After death

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Unread post by bohraji » Wed May 23, 2012 4:26 am

Salaam Alaikum,
Dear Pprofastian bhai and others who indulge in spending money on the way of ziafats and kadambosi.I will not argue on the ratings that one will get on the way of spending wealth for the rich at the time of Hisaab.
But just be simply logical.What will you say when Allah will ask you as to why money was spent on the rich Kothar when at the same time there were the poor Abde Bohras who needed to fed,clothed ,educated.There are bohras who cannot afford medicines ,let alone life saving surgeries.Why is it that we have been brainwashed to such an extent that we see the rich pouring expensive arabian attars on the heavily embroidered chaadars when just less than a hundred meters away there will be a mumin bhai or bain asking for alms from passers by.
We are supposed to recite fatihas and duas on the graves of our holy saints who lived lives of piety.Their souls would be more happier if you feed a single mumin on their behalf then covering their graves with expensive gilafs.Do you not think it better to educate a poor widow's child instead of offering fakher najwa to the shahzaadas .Remember these shazaadas are not on any official positions yet we pamper them as teh Dai himself.
Have you forgotten as to how Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain would feed people everyday and even wash their hands.Now compare this to Shahzaada Malek Ul Ashter who is flying to India and Usa almost every week.And he flies business class.You can check malumaat for his itenary.Does not your conscience disturb you.Are you not afraid of the questions that will be put forward once you die.Is it better to feed a hungry orphan or to pay for the Zaada's business class ticket?
Sudhri jaao,hayyati che!After death there will be no coming back.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by SBM » Wed May 23, 2012 7:50 am

profastian wrote:Does the proggy sect believe in life after death.
What will happen after death?
Profastian
LET ME EDUCATE YOU:
Proggy is not a sect. We are Dawoodi Bohras many of who believe in current Dai we only have problems with HIS HIGH NUMBER OF ZIYAFATS, Killing of wild animals for pleasure AND HIS WORLD ROAMING SHEZAADAS SUCKING THE LAST PENNY OUT OF GULLIBLE BOHRAS.I am sure HB can add more to it. As far what happens to any MUSLIM ( yes you are shocked we proggys are Muslim) depends on their Imaan, and Deeds and Allah and only Allah will decide about the fate afterlife
As far as after Death can you tell us what will happen to you and specially those blood sucking Kotharti Goons
?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by bohri » Wed May 23, 2012 8:51 am

profastian wrote:Does the proggy sect believe in life after death.
What will happen after death?

Prof, Prof, Prof ... have you missed your latest sabak?

This is what we believe will ensure us heaven after death:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... =60#p94535

PS - is that you with the fat salaam envelope? Lucky you - the presidential suite is awaiting you my friend!

Humsafar
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Re: After death

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Unread post by Humsafar » Wed May 23, 2012 2:01 pm

profastian wrote:Does the proggy sect believe in life after death.
What will happen after death?
We sure believe in life before death - a life free of shirk and kufr. Profound question though, is that the new asana (Bhari Sawal Asana) you learned at the Haqiqi Yoga boot camp?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by profastian » Wed May 23, 2012 9:48 pm

Humsafar wrote:
profastian wrote:Does the proggy sect believe in life after death.
What will happen after death?
We sure believe in life before death - a life free of shirk and kufr. Profound question though, is that the new asana (Bhari Sawal Asana) you learned at the Haqiqi Yoga boot camp?
Will hell be free of shirk and kufr too? Is hell eternal?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by profastian » Wed May 23, 2012 9:53 pm

Where does religion fit in with heaven and hell?
Can christians and jews be heaven bound too?(Remember all catholics are mushriks).
Can hindus go to heaven?
Would be interesting to know the opinions of the progressive sect...

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Re: After death

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed May 23, 2012 10:30 pm

Will hell be free of shirk and kufr too? Is hell eternal?
Hell will be free of shirk and kufr but filled with mushriks and kaafirs. And every moment in it will seem like an eternity to those who are in it.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by feelgud » Wed May 23, 2012 11:39 pm

there has to be life after death,otherwise this life of mine would be a meaningless timepass.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by feelgud » Thu May 24, 2012 12:07 am

quran 5:69
for, verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ],
as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Sabians, and the Christians
- all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds
- no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

mushriks are not included here,doesnt matter whichever group they belong to.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by profastian » Thu May 24, 2012 1:04 am

anajmi wrote:
Will hell be free of shirk and kufr too? Is hell eternal?
Hell will be free of shirk and kufr but filled with mushriks and kaafirs. And every moment in it will seem like an eternity to those who are in it.
And what of those who were born mushriks and the word of God never reached them? Will they burn in hell too?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu May 24, 2012 1:19 am

profastian wrote:And what of those who were born mushriks and the word of God never reached them? Will they burn in hell too?
You are asking right questions at the wrong forum, you must enrol yourself in Sabak and seek answers to the question from Raza-na-saheb who is qualified and permitted to reveal the answers. :lol:

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Re: After death

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Unread post by bohri » Thu May 24, 2012 7:12 am

profastian wrote: Can hindus go to heaven? Only Modi can - with special protection shawl from Mr. Buhanuddin, unconditional leader of the Buhani sect
Would be interesting to know the opinions of the progressive sect...

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Re: After death

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu May 24, 2012 10:03 am

profastian wrote: Will hell be free of shirk and kufr too? Is hell eternal?
Don't worry you'll find out when you go there. For now, just keep stretching.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu May 24, 2012 10:07 am

profastian wrote: And what of those who were born mushriks and the word of God never reached them? Will they burn in hell too?
The word of God has apparently reached you and you're worshipping the Dai. Does that mean you will burn in hell too?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu May 24, 2012 10:18 am

And what of those who were born mushriks and the word of God never reached them? Will they burn in hell too?
Your Dai will be punished for them as well because he has stopped inviting people to his faith.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by Muslim First » Thu May 24, 2012 9:40 pm

feelgud wrote:quran 5:69
for, verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ],
as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Sabians, and the Christians
- all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds
- no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

mushriks are not included here,doesnt matter whichever group they belong to.
How do you reconsile with the following?

Allah SWT says:
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).” (Qur’an, Ali Imran [3]: 85).

“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will).” (Qur’an, Ali Imran [3]: 19).

“It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.” (Qur’an, al-Azhab [33]:36).

Islam commands every Muslim to hold on tightly to the Islamic law. The Qur'an commands every human being to hold on tightly to the laws of Allah SWT and the laws of Allah SWT for the end times is the risalah (message) brought by Rasulullah SAW i.e. Al-Qur'an and Sunnah (Qur’an, Al Maidah: 48-49).

Rasulullah SAW affirmed:

1. Imam Muslim (d. 262 H) in his book Saheeh Muslim, vol. 1, no. 284, narrated the hadith of Rasulullah SAW:

"By Him (Allah) in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, there is none from amongst the Jews and the Christians (of these present nations) who hears about me and then dies without believing in the Message with which I have been sent (i.e. tawheed), but he will be from the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire."

2. The Prophet had sent letters of da’wah to the non-Muslims, amongst them are Emperor Heraclius, the Roman King who was a Christian, Al-Najashi, the King of Abyssinia and the Persian Kisra (Persian king known to Arabs as Kisra) who was a Majusi, where the Prophet invited them to enter into Islam.
Bkhari in Saheeh al-Bukhari).

3. The Prophet SAW conducted good social interactions with the non-Muslim communities such as the Jewish community who lived in Khaybar and the Christians who lived in Najran; in fact, one of the Prophet’s father in-law named Huyay bin Aththab was a notable figure of the Bani Quradzah (Sayyid Bani Qurayzah). (Riwayah al-Bukhari and Muslim).

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Re: After death

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Unread post by feelgud » Fri May 25, 2012 12:58 pm

Muslim First wrote:
feelgud wrote:quran 5:69
for, verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ],
as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Sabians, and the Christians
- all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds
- no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

mushriks are not included here,doesnt matter whichever group they belong to.
How do you reconsile with the following?

Allah SWT says:
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).” (Qur’an, Ali Imran [3]: 85).

“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will).” (Qur’an, Ali Imran [3]: 19).).
muslim,jews,sabians,christians are not the name of religion but groups.
This ayah talks about Asaas e deen which is common for all prophets,the shariah varies.
what was the religion of syedna Ibraheem[peace b upon him]

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Re: After death

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Unread post by JC » Sat May 26, 2012 12:53 pm

Profastian,

What about your life BEFORE death?? Have you ever thought about that?? You live a pathetic life, in constant bowing posture to your Ard-ullah and when you are in that posture, being royally xxxxxxxx by Kothari goons ......

What a Life BEFORE death, and rest assured your life AFTER death will be SAME, forget about ours.... :)

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Re: After death

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Unread post by profastian » Sun May 27, 2012 12:43 am

Well I know that I am going to hell. I want to know what you guys think?

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Re: After death

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Unread post by bohraji » Sun May 27, 2012 4:34 am

Everybody wants a Jannat after death,What about a Jannat when we are living.Below is one of my favourite couplet from a poet whom I do not know.If any knows the poets name ,then please let me know.
".....Jab se ulfat teri Naseeb hui,
Saari dunya meri raqeeb hui.
Aisi jannat ko kya karoon mai lekar,
Jo naseeb ,baad marne ke hui....."

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Re: After death

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 27, 2012 10:57 am

Jannat is not possible here while we are alive because we are living under laws created / interpreted / implemented by humans. As long as humans are in charge, misery is going to be an inseparable part of life. As per the traditions of the prophet (saw) many more humans are hell bound than heaven bound and these hell bound humans will always make life miserable for the rest.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun May 27, 2012 3:59 pm

Kisi shayar ne khoob kaha hai :

"Sab ko jannat chahiye, jannatwale ki talab kisi ko nahi" !!

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Re: After death

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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon May 28, 2012 1:33 am

Everyone wants to go to Heaven, No one wants to Die.

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Re: After death

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu May 31, 2012 1:27 am

Heaven for climate and Hell for company.