Shabab/Abdes attack reformists in masjid in Udaipur

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Shabab/Abdes attack reformists in masjid in Udaipur

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:24 am

Following is reported:

Unbelievers (The followers of Sayeedna) have tourtered the believers (Bohra Youth) at Masjid-e-Vazeepura today during Johr-Asar Namaz.

As there was a live Majalis of Mr. Muffadal (The new unbeliver's leader No.53) in Masjid. The gates of Masjid was closed for believers. After lots of p
ressure on local administration the gates were opened and believers were permitted to enter Masjid. After believers get settled for namaz. The Aamil at Masjid order for processing of their plan they came with.

The Shababis (The transgressor) were equipped with knifes and wrist lock(Fient). On releasing order as noticed (and told) by believers, they all stand up and hit, believers with all wepons they were equipped with.

And the things worsened.

Mr. Hatim was hit with a knife and fient and get heavily injured. He is currently being operated in M.B. Hospital (Kindly pray for his well being). He is one of the active revolutionary and he is most hit by every event.

Rest all other were hit with fients and they have red marks on their body and faces. Few other name as i gathered were (Shabbir Nasir, Hussaini, Ashfaq, Aamir) were among the most injured.

Ladies were knocked down by shabib's ladies (Transgressors).

After getting out from Masjid there were heavy stone throwing. Vehicle destruction and human injuries to many among believers.

Local administration police were inactive to situation and were unable to control it.

I (the reporter) with my own eyes seen the police laughing and not controlling the situation. These police administration is heavily bribed and are fully corrupt.

Raise your voice against the social injustice.

Save Islam, Save Islam, Save Islam.

I pray Allah to shower his blessing on all believers who suffered, and pray to save us all from these transgressors.

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:35 am

It is sad muslims are fighting like cats and dogs with each other in the holy month of ramadhan.

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Unread post by Rookie » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:43 am

youth are bond to be kicked out of bohra premises, better they leave bohra property as soon as possible before they are humiliated more.

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Unread post by Rookie » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:47 am

btw bohra carrying weapons in masjid will be worth to watch, any picture,video from reporter?

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Unread post by Biradar » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:27 pm

In case someone thinks this is just rumors, here is the link to the article in Udaipur Times.

http://www.udaipurtimes.com/intra-commu ... l-detained

This is terrible news, and a great shame to the followers of so-called ambassador of peace. The tyranny of the children and Amils of the Syedna continues on. Shame on Muffadal bhaisaheb and his son who could not stop this violence on a small minority of people who are neither rich or powerful. Shame on the thugs who started these attacks, who mercilessly fought with their own brothers and sisters who's only fault is that they disagree with them on matters of theology. What is this fanatical community coming to? We see a rise in unbending fanaticism in our community, getting worse with every day that passes by. It is totally pointless to fast and pray when one is not even capable of simple humanity.

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Unread post by think » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:54 pm

saw the pictures. This is shocking. It is certain, the leadership of the 51st, 52nd, and now the 53rd is a battleground. and to think of bohris as peace loving, bussiness people under this regime is far from the truth.

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:04 pm

Yeh bhi khabar aai he ki Moiyyadpura masjid me namaz padhne wale Youth mumineen per bhi Abde Burhanuddin ne hamla kar ke ghayal kiya he.

Mola Ali a.s. ki shahadat ke moke per hamla karne wale Abde Burhanuddin = affliated to Ibn Mulzim.

Hamla sehne wale = affliated to Mola Ali a.s. = Bohra Youth.

Afternoon me jo Abde Burhanuddin ne hathiyaar se hamla kiya tha woh Vazeehpura jane wale Bohra Youth ke Mumineen per kiya tha. Jo Udaipur Times me report he woh sirf Vazeehpura walo ki hi he. Moiyyadpura ke Youthi ROZDAAR mumineen per bhi in Abdes (Ibn Mulzim affliated) ne hamla kiya tha!!!

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:47 pm

Yes, it is a matter of great shame that once again the evil Kothar and its fanatical goons have wreaked violence on weak and hapless reformists. The news report does not give the actual details of what happened. Here I'll try to put together the pieces.

Moyyiadpura Masjid is in the heart of bohra mohalla and is shared by both reformists and orothdox group. In fact, the reformist have a very small allotted space at the back of the masjid - which adds up to 19 spaces for men and around 40 for women. So at any given time no more that 60 reformists (Youth) can pray at Moyyiadpura. The rest of the masjid which can accommodate hundreds is used by the orthodox (Shabab).

Today August 6, 2012 (Ramazan 19) at Zuhr time the masjid was full of Shabab people, Sayedna saheb’s grandson Alikadar Mufaddal Bhaisab was presiding over the majlis, it was actually a relay bayan of his father Maulai Muffadal being telecast. Zuhr time is 12:45 pm, but at that time the majlis was still going on, the masjid doors were closed with the police keeping the vigil (according to court orders only police open and close the masjid at scheduled times). When it was namaz time reformists went to the masjid but the police wouldn’t let them in as the majlis was still going on. The Police asked reformists to wait till 1:30 pm, so reformists waited till 1:30.

Please note that this was a Monday afternoon so there were no more than 10 men and 20 women who waiting to enter the masjid. When it was 1:30 reformists again pleaded that doors be opened, they requested to the police to tell the Shabab people to vacate their allotted space which they were occupying and let them pray, and they wouldn’t mind even if the majlis was going on. The police somehow managed to do that, reformist entered and started praying, while the Shabab group were doing matam, they were doing matam for past half an hour, according to Shabbir Nasir who was negotiating with the police all this while and was severely beaten by shabab people.

He said, while they were praying, someone suddenly came up to them and started yelling “why are you abusing our Maula.” This is utter nonsense, says Nasir. “We were just praying, keeping to our business. Besides we were totally outnumbered, we were not stupid to invite trouble for us like this.” But the man continued with accusations, other men all flush and pumped up with matam gathered around and started beating reformists – men and women. Yes, these fanatic goons beat up the women also, among them was Sakina Dalal, a frail 70+ old woman. Interestingly all this happened in the presence of Alikadar BS and the local Amil. “These two janabs were not more than 8 to 9 feet from where we were”, Nasir says. And they were silent witness to this horrific scene of violence, when innocent, unarmed men and women who were just praying namaz were being violently attacked. These people were apparently armed, says Nasir, because you can’t get this kind of injuries with bare hands. Hatim Rocketwala (his pic in the report) received severe injuries on his head, Nasir’s head and nose were bleeding. “It is a miracle that we came out of it alive,” he says. The police of course did not intervene.

As is well known, for abdes namaz and namaz time is not important. Majlis by the Sayedna or Mansoos or even local amil takes precedence over namaz. And they make no bones about it. A couple of Muslim policemen who were outside the masjid also wondered what kind Muslim are these people who were doing majlis at namaz time.

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Unread post by Humsafar » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:38 pm

Biradar, good to see you back. Welcome.
This is indeed shameful as it comes on the heels of the Surat incident where a poor Bohra was beaten up for not paying hafta to these goons. All these unrepentant abdes must hang their heads in shame. The Udaipur incident once again shatters the myth that Maula and his "royal family" are above the fray, that they are not aware of what's going on. This latest shameful attack happened in the presence of the son of Mansoos. The Galiyakot incident happened in the presence of Sayedna saheb. This illegitimae "royal family" is not only involved but is the instigator of every act of aggression and extortion that happens in the community.
This latest attack was well orchestrated - the delaying of namaz, false accusations leading up to the attack was all to a plan. In Moyyiadpura masjid, reformists -even with their small numbers - are thorns on their side, and the agenda is to harass them constantly so they would stop coming to the masjid and leave it to abdes for their unIslamic and ungodly practice of dai-worship and chest-beating. But we'll not give up that easily. This is not the first time we have been attacked inside the masjid and probably not the last.

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Unread post by juzerali » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:04 pm

Utterly shameful and disgusting.

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Unread post by think » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:29 pm

Thanks to the leadership of our so called religious leader, our small community of peace loving bohris has become a war zone. shame to muffi and his clan and shame on the local amil. people of any cast come to pray in the masjid for oneness and peace with allah, but in the bohri's, the masjid is a battle ground.
thumbs up to the bohra youth for their courage. skirmishes take place even in america , canada and England,but being educated they just leave and never show up again. They conduct their namaz at home and a few families get together for namaz, and iftari and bring one dish each for food. it is a very peaceful and God loving occasion.

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Unread post by exploitedpocket » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:52 pm

seeking attention from somebody of udaipur locality.

As the whole riot was writeen, scripted and produced by top authority, what is the common view point of shabab group people on this dividing issue. Are they sympathised wid counterside or common shabab public too is intrested in creating troubles for youths ?

"afterall abdes are farzands of peace ambassador.... Why no mojiza is taking place for "rooki crook" to capture community properties in udaipur.



It felt to me like youth revolution sustaining in udaipur after facing whatever type of challenge has... Definitely forced the abde jamaat to use violent means because they solve every problem without any noise or media attention.

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Unread post by think » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:40 pm

makes one think whether "muffi " his sons and kothar are really role models for our small bohri community ?

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Unread post by bohra_manus » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:59 pm

Shame on the Ambassador of Peace and his clan/henchman on this incident.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:03 pm

think wrote:makes one think whether "muffi " his sons and kothar are really role models for our small bohri community ?
Off course they are...... Dont you see the dai felicitating the butcher of muslims, the yazid of today, Narendra Modi and his pal L.K.Advani and his son the late Huzefabhai saab celebrating yazid's birthday by cutting a birthday cake and chanting "Allahu Akbar". What more prooof does one need to substantiate the claims that these so called spiritual leaders are nothing but a bunch of commercial leaders indulged in extortion and violence under the garb of Islam ! When they can support the architects of mass genocide then what worse can one expect ? Its high time that the Talibans should be unleashed on these goons.

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Unread post by Rookie » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:06 pm

how can it be cconcluded that bohras attacked youth, when we dont have any udaipur bohra to put there stand here?

bohras are most peaceful community and our DAI is known to world for his kindness and amazing leadership. unless some bohra from udaipur come and explain the whole situation this whole incident is just drama and nothing more.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:08 pm

bohra_manus wrote:Shame on the Ambassador of Peace and his clan/henchman on this incident.
"Ambassador of Peace" felicitating "Architect of Mass genocide" by draping a shawl around him in a Masjid and presenting him a cheque of more then Rs.One crore !!

Wish we had less of such "Ambassadors of Peace" !!

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Unread post by Rookie » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:09 pm

Rookie wrote:btw bohra carrying weapons in masjid will be worth to watch, any picture,video from reporter?
Idiot aliabbbas for what reason have u liked my post?

i was sarcastic, no bohra ever carrys any weapon in masjid unlike ur wahabi mafia, so I am sure none can produce any photo or video about it.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:10 pm

Rookie wrote:unless some bohra from udaipur come and explain the whole situation this whole incident is just drama and nothing more.
Which bohra from Surat came and explained the situation in rehmatpura, surat although the incident has spread like wildfire accross all bohra jamats worldwide ?

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:57 pm

Rookie wrote:
Rookie wrote:btw bohra carrying weapons in masjid will be worth to watch, any picture,video from reporter?
Idiot aliabbbas for what reason have u liked my post?

i was sarcastic, no bohra ever carrys any weapon in masjid unlike ur wahabi mafia, so I am sure none can produce any photo or video about it.
Probably brother AliAbbas was too eager and excited to see the normally docile Bohras armed with sticks and knives, this time not to hit themselves in Muharram but to unleash violence on fellow bohras! He could then pacify himself that Wahhabis are not the only violent people. They have company! While wahhabis would normally hit shia and sufi, bohras are hitting bohras!

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Unread post by Hanif » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:13 pm

humble_servant_us wrote:It is sad muslims are fighting like cats and dogs with each other in the holy month of ramadhan.

This is not anything new. Look around the world. Syria ablaze; Burma; Bangldesh; Iraq; Afghanistan; Pakistan...... This kind of behavior happens in Mohorram and Ramadan. Actually this happens all the year around but mostly in Ramadan and Mohorram. Then they call themselves true Muslims. LOL!

May Allah SWT have mercy on us all.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:16 pm

Till such time that Muslims indulge and strengthen the secterian divide it will go from bad to worse.

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Unread post by asad » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:27 am

One of the reason Progressives were beaten was that Shabab group knew there will be no retaliation due to lesser number of Progressives. They will never dare to touch or even raise their voice against people who are more in number than themselves example main stream Muslims be it Shias or Sunnis or any other community.

Reasons quoted are that People from Progressive group abused son of Mufaddal BS, now can some one please inform why was shabab group not able to answer with words and resorted to hooliganism. If for a second i agree that Progressives were wrong in that instances also what can justify violence and that too in the month of Ramdan against fellow Bohras who were also fasting in all probability.

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Unread post by hussain_imtiyaz » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:58 am

Khuda Ki Lanat Mazloom par Zulm karne walo per,
itihas gawah hai Firoun ne barbad hone se pehle 40 sal tak raaj kiya tha, Khuda ia Firoun ko bhi 40 sal ke raj ke bad barbad kar dega.

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Unread post by mnoorani » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:19 am

Why is there a pin drop silence from the likes of Aqs, True Bohra, Mutafanalwalla ,Murtaza VDS, Murtaza 2152 ?
Are they waiting for this to be reported on TV for them to beleive ?
One thing is for sure. The raaj of Muffy Maula will be a very violent one. It is heartbreaking to see A mumin sisters face with cuts. The cult is degenerating.

Masjid ma hatyaar,
Modi ne phool no haar.
Mumina ben par vaar
Muffy kare khoon no vepaar.

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Unread post by progticide » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:12 am

Mubarak a.k.a Sajauddin Bagwala a.k.a Mnoorani,

Hijre ki tarah is forum par taali bajaane se behtar hota agar tu wahan apne bhaiyyon ke saath do-chaar ghuseh-jootein khaa kar aata.......buzdil.....wahan reporter bankar tamasha dekhta raha aur yahan sher ban raha he.....tere chele-chapaaton ko teri ghatiyaan shayari nahi ab teri asliyat nazar aa rahi he ki tu kitna bada darpok aur phattu he.....zara apne chele-chapaton ko bata toh sahi ke jab woh maar khaa rahe the tab tu kis masjid mein kis imam ke pichhe khada tha.....jab tere chelon ko apni naani yaad aa rahi thi tab tujhe kaunse kiye hue gunaahon ki yaad aa rahi thi.....

Agar tu wahan maujood tha jaisa ki tune khud upar likha he, toh tu kar kya raha tha? Apne bhaiyyon ko pittate dekh mazein loot raha tha yah teri itni phati thi ki tu kisi kone mein chhup kar apni gili pant sukha raha tha....

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Unread post by mnoorani » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:19 am

progticide wrote:Mubarak a.k.a Sajauddin Bagwala a.k.a Mnoorani,

Hijre ki tarah is forum par taali bajaane se behtar hota agar tu wahan apne bhaiyyon ke saath do-chaar ghuseh-jootein khaa kar aata.......buzdil.....wahan reporter bankar tamasha dekhta raha aur yahan sher ban raha he.....tere chele-chapaaton ko teri ghatiyaan shayari nahi ab teri asliyat nazar aa rahi he ki tu kitna bada darpok aur phattu he.....zara apne chele-chapaton ko bata toh sahi ke jab woh maar khaa rahe the tab tu kis masjid mein kis imam ke pichhe khada tha.....jab tere chelon ko apni naani yaad aa rahi thi tab tujhe kaunse kiye hue gunaahon ki yaad aa rahi thi.....

Agar tu wahan maujood tha jaisa ki tune khud upar likha he, toh tu kar kya raha tha? Apne bhaiyyon ko pittate dekh mazein loot raha tha yah teri itni phati thi ki tu kisi kone mein chhup kar apni gili pant sukha raha tha....
You Pimp and follower of a liquor seller!
Where have I mentioned that I was there?

Mansoos karse su khataa
Ehna sasra to daru vechta hataa.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:26 am

Shame , regardless of which side one is violence has to be denounced.

If the reports are reliable and I have little doubts since there is photo evidence sincere orthodox participants on this site should condemn the hooliganism .

I encourage that all parties ensure the perpetrators are taken and penalized as per law of the land.

Mansoos has to display integrity condemn the event and visits and care for the injured on both sides . He should not celebrate the event . In civilized world the Amil and shabab members would be suspended and an inquiry done .

Equally the progs should hold an inquiry on their side and sincerely disclose the cause and how this could be avoided.

It is so shameful that one one side bohras claim Shia of Ali on the same day could not practise self restraint, and even that during Ramadan while fasting. What a pity.

I look forward to the spin that abdes and kothar will roll out to cover the issue up.
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Unread post by mnoorani » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:58 am

ozmujaheed wrote:Shame , regardless of which side one is violence has to be denounced.

If the reports are reliable and I have little doubts since there is photo evidence sincere orthodox participants on this site should condemn the hooliganism .

I encourage that all parties ensure the perpetrators are taken and penalized as per law of the land.

Mansoos has to display integrity condemn the event and visits and care for the injured on both sides . He should not celebrate the event . In civilized world the Amil and shabab members would be suspended and an inquiry done .

Equally the progs should hold an inquiry on their side and sincerely disclose the cause and how this could be avoided.

It is so shameful that one one side bohras claim Shia of Ali on the same day could not practise self restraint, and even that during Ramadan while fasting. What a pity.
@ OZ,
What shame and integrity are you talking about.
It is well documented about the marriages and divorces amongst the Dai's family and then the remarriages amongst themselves again. The same man marries the sister and divorces her so that the other sister is married to his own son. Bhabi is married off to the devar, etc ,etc. It is proved with pictures on this website where the denizen of Saifee mahal is offering interest in Bombay paints. It is documented that the Dai has let out his property to wine shops. Those of us who were there in the late seventies must have seen Mazun with Nafisa Ali in the swimming pool. You must have heard of the diamond smuggling attempt and the money laundering charges. There are videos of the people who were beaten up before mola in Galyakot. Now there are pictures of people being beaten up in mosques. You have seen pictures with MODI ! The birthday of Modi is celebrated. You have seen the pics of the shaahzaadas in utmost luxury. You also know that the Dai announces in Majlises that Daru is harram but allows his own brothers to sell liquor in Ambassador Hotel. Shaukat Sarkar is made a shaikh and his hotels are well known for their activities in Mumbai. You have read about the close relaative of Dai involved in a road accident in the UK,under the influence of Alcohol. The controversy of Sakina Ben Saahebs death. You know that the second wife of the late Mukasir had a jewish wife and that lady did not wear rida. I could go on and on..........

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Unread post by Rookie » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:02 am

I sincerely pray may all this beatings (if there was any) bring these **** progs to some sanity.


Ameen.