Bohra SMS Duniya

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Rebel
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Rebel » Sat May 10, 2014 10:17 am

Amils would never removed from amalat because kothar needs amils help to extort money from people and ensure that community people are brain washed from time to time so no one can question them or stand up against their deviant practices...Amils are trained to ensure that community remain their ghulams and sing the hymns of moula moula day and night.
I know one case in which Amil raped a woman and as a punishment he was transfered to some other location. So, even in serious crimes they are not removed...money laundering is not so serious crime for kothar....it part of their life....

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by asif786 » Sat May 10, 2014 11:43 am

Khandala ma Mufaddal maula ni car par firing thayu
Maula ne kay nathi thayu

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by asif786 » Sat May 10, 2014 11:53 am

asif786 wrote:Khandala ma Mufaddal maula ni car par firing thayu
Maula ne kay nathi thayu
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Akhtiar Wahid
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat May 10, 2014 12:47 pm

That is a pretty slick car for a SPIRITUAL FIGURE HEAD!

Sufi monk
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Sat May 10, 2014 3:56 pm

@ GM post

even after so many frauds he is not expelled? why astodia? he was supposed to be sitting at home.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat May 10, 2014 5:15 pm

asif786 wrote:Khandala ma Mufaddal maula ni car par firing thayu
Maula ne kay nathi thayu
In the audio posted on another thread, Muffy's PR agent adds one more sentence "Ziafat Chaalu Che", photo of the Ziafat:-
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat May 10, 2014 7:33 pm

One of the participant in London has to die, so all the blame and conspiring can be the dead man. The rest can play stupid and get the hands smacked.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon May 12, 2014 2:12 am

Sufi monk wrote:one of his brother specially Malik or QJ is behind this attack.
seeker110 wrote:One of the participant in London has to die, so all the blame and conspiring can be the dead man. The rest can play stupid and get the hands smacked.
This clearly shows who watches movies

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 12, 2014 7:11 pm

Bro American muslim,

Just a glance at a few posts and you will easily find the difference............ you will find the braindead abdes defending the tyrants with totally illogical arguments which makes no sense and the way they defend their master's loot and extortion will make you laugh, they will even defend their unislamic practices and after losing the debate will ultimately resort to abuse and foul language in sheer frustration. Anyone who questions their cult will be branded either as wahabis or munafeqins as they think that by doing so they can gain some sympathy from likeminded abdes.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Rebel » Tue May 13, 2014 12:03 am

AM-you may not want to differentiate among people. You be yourself and write your opinions and ideas on how to get rid of these kothar or perhaps bring change in their attributes and behaviors towards mumineens. Centuries have passed and we have all suffered from kothar's oppression. Time has come for us to rise against the mullahs and the gang and free ourselves and the weak who can't get the courage to the face these criminal from their clutches. We got to unite and devise a strategy to turn the tide.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue May 13, 2014 1:00 am

bro gulam muhammed
u are right. zinger I know is a braindead abde. I have been on youtube and asked people to show me where in the quran dai is mentioned. but no one has a proper answer. someone even made up his own lines and claimed it was in the quran
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You do not see doesn't mean its not there brother. The word "Dai" is used in Surah Fussilat 41:33. Its mentioined as Dai of Allah meaning one who invites towards Allah and Islam. I hope this helps.

Jazakallah.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by y-kuc » Tue May 13, 2014 1:22 am

silvertongue wrote:
bro gulam muhammed
u are right. zinger I know is a braindead abde. I have been on youtube and asked people to show me where in the quran dai is mentioned. but no one has a proper answer. someone even made up his own lines and claimed it was in the quran
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You do not see doesn't mean its not there brother. The word "Dai" is used in Surah Fussilat 41:33. Its mentioined as Dai of Allah meaning one who invites towards Allah and Islam. I hope this helps.

Jazakallah.
So this is not the only line.. Quran also has Lines -

#Ya qaumana ajeebu dai'a allahe...
#we mn la yojib dai'allahi f laisa ..
#Dai'an ila'allahi b iznehi we siraja' munira...

-but this is not about this zamaan na dai person.
By that logic someone can say that Munira ben is also mentioned in the quraan.

any one who invites is a dai. and in that continuation anyone who invites towards allah is dai of allah.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue May 13, 2014 2:23 am

silvertongue wrote:The word "Dai" is used in Surah Fussilat 41:33. Its mentioined as Dai of Allah meaning one who invites towards Allah and Islam. I hope this helps.Jazakallah.
But these days which DAI is inviting people to Islam ? They are not suppose to Invite people to islam in absence of Imam since 900 years. Imagine if Imam had been out and dai were allowed to Invite Islam, there would be a millions of bohras today !

The Quranic Ayat does not apply to these Daais.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Tue May 13, 2014 2:37 am

Not Dai- Allah, But Dai-Salam la, Dai -Najwa la , Dai Zyafat la, Dai- Gini la ...etc

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue May 13, 2014 8:38 am

humanbeing wrote:
silvertongue wrote:The word "Dai" is used in Surah Fussilat 41:33. Its mentioined as Dai of Allah meaning one who invites towards Allah and Islam. I hope this helps.Jazakallah.
But these days which DAI is inviting people to Islam ? They are not suppose to Invite people to islam in absence of Imam since 900 years. Imagine if Imam had been out and dai were allowed to Invite Islam, there would be a millions of bohras today !

The Quranic Ayat does not apply to these Daais.
Dai simply means The one who invites to Allah.. And yes these doesnt imply to so called Dais of today. I just gave the reference that Allah has mentioned Dai several times in the Quran in the context that any person either You or Me can be Dai who calls anyone to the path of Allah, the true Islam.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by way2go » Tue May 13, 2014 10:57 am

SHIRK to the ULTIMATE!!! This is what happens in MS's duniya! Are these true believers in Allah Taala's religion of Islam....

Below video recd on WhatsApp....please watch.
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by wise_guy » Tue May 13, 2014 12:57 pm

way2go wrote:SHIRK to the ULTIMATE!!! This is what happens in MS's duniya! Are these true believers in Allah Taala's religion of Islam....

Below video recd on WhatsApp....please watch.
Gumraah logo.. die hards.. any comments on this ??

think_for_yourself
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Tue May 13, 2014 1:06 pm

Moulana Ali(AS) climbed Rasulullah (PBUH) shoulders and toppled the idols in Kabatullah and 1400 years later we have come full circle. Wake up mumineen. We are Ali's shias. Does this suit us?


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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 am

way2go wrote:SHIRK to the ULTIMATE!!! This is what happens in MS's duniya! Are these true believers in Allah Taala's religion of Islam....

Below video recd on WhatsApp....please watch.
No one knows the secrets of hearts but Allah. If you are showing this video and proving your point that just by kissing something is shirk then i believe kissing Hajr e Aswad would be shirk. Visiting the graves and kissing them would be shirk. Kissing ur parents feet out of love and respect will be shirk. Even kissing your children out of love would be shirk. Grow up guys and think a little positive about things. Not every single abde worships the Dai. I agree the number is huge who consider them equal to God and divine but this video proves nothing in that context. Its all about the intention and no one knows what is in their hearts other than Allah.

Jazakallah.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed May 14, 2014 3:03 am

Sorry state of faith ! I agree that intentions in one’s heart makes the difference. But which compassionate leader promotes such reverence amongst his followers by making them habituated almost as a ritual to kiss their feet now ridiculously in their pictures too ?

As per your understanding and faith, kissing one’s feet out of respect, love, affection etc shall be acceptable. But such love, respect, affection when they are ritualized, it borders on idol worshipping and in these cases it has crossed. It does not require a rocket science to figure out the intentions and faith in these abdes heart is that of worshipping. Ask some Abde gems and they will proudly accept that they worship ( Ibaadat) Dai.

The sad irony is, the leaders are so morally corrupt to lead their followers into such submission. What pleasure do these leaders get to see their “beloved” followers kiss anything and everything with their names on it ? Thier faith in their followers so shallow and insecure that they stoop to such tactics of making them kiss their feet !

Many a time I approach my parents do salaam and bend to kiss their knees, they stop me and hug me. They feel uncomfortable and instead they kiss my forehead !! that is love, affection and respect !!

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Wed May 14, 2014 3:10 am

yuzarsif wrote:Not Dai- Allah, But Dai-Salam la, Dai -Najwa la , Dai Zyafat la, Dai- Gini la ...etc
hahaha hilarious but sadly true as well.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed May 14, 2014 7:46 am

But such love, respect, affection when they are ritualized, it borders on idol worshipping and in these cases it has crossed.
I agree with you that it should not be a ritual and cannot be as its against Islam. But just look in the video. They are just kissing it coz they see their Maulas picture, thats all. Thats what Dawoodi bohras are. Even we were kids we used to kiss pictures of Maula wherever we see. It shows love and its upto ones decision as well. Do u see anyone in the picture being forced to do that?... NO... The thing is there is so much negativity filled in ourselves now that we dont even want to see a silver lining. Even these abdes are humans right. And I know they will definitely not compare a Dai parallel to Allah. Although some extremists might. Let Allah be the judge between his/her Niyat. We should do whats our duty that is to help others who are in need and live a good life that leaves an example to our offspring.

Jazakallah.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed May 14, 2014 8:20 am

Silvertoungue

You may review the video and observe; the ladies are systematically and ritualistically going after the photos to kiss the feet one after another ! Apart from this video, it is normal to see many bohras kiss everything at kubbah with heightened sense of devotion ! be it doors, walls, frames, pieces of wood, tiles, pillars etc etc.

It is not about negativity but objective discussion on a subjective topic of expressing love, affection, reverence that can lead to idol worshipping. Even love has a reason and intention. Intentions, wishes, desires with which these expressions are happening must be understood.

I m not against expression of respect, love or affection towards anybody regardless of their deeds. Such expression is the personal choice of the person. But what we see here is a system, a norm, a practice.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by New » Wed May 14, 2014 9:30 am

Ghulam bhai,

What is this coin? Can you please shade some more light? I am sure it is another money making scheme.

Also can you please start a new thread "Saify Mahal"? Its history, building maps, how many people live there and work there. Pictures and Google Map would be helpful. The gate where 18 abdes died can serve as the memorial in the form of pictures.

After that we can move to "Badri Mahel"

I just say "wow" when you put pictures and factual information from all over the world. You get them and you take the pains of publishing them. Unbelievable.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by wise_guy » Wed May 14, 2014 10:05 am

There is a high probability that some very die hard abde may make an idol of Late Burhanuddin Maula (RA) sooner or later..
humanbeing wrote:Silvertoungue

You may review the video and observe; the ladies are systematically and ritualistically going after the photos to kiss the feet one after another ! Apart from this video, it is normal to see many bohras kiss everything at kubbah with heightened sense of devotion ! be it doors, walls, frames, pieces of wood, tiles, pillars etc etc.

It is not about negativity but objective discussion on a subjective topic of expressing love, affection, reverence that can lead to idol worshipping. Even love has a reason and intention. Intentions, wishes, desires with which these expressions are happening must be understood.

I m not against expression of respect, love or affection towards anybody regardless of their deeds. Such expression is the personal choice of the person. But what we see here is a system, a norm, a practice.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Wed May 14, 2014 10:44 am

Slowly and gradually we will become PAGAN, in our case all the idols frm sms family will be inside raudat tahera and abdes will worship them as intermediatery to god similar like pagan use to do in mecca centuries yrs before islam was reveal by our beloved prophet.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by JC » Wed May 14, 2014 12:45 pm

mustansir_g wrote:Slowly and gradually we will become PAGAN, in our case all the idols frm sms family will be inside raudat tahera and abdes will worship them as intermediatery to god similar like pagan use to do in mecca centuries yrs before islam was reveal by our beloved prophet.
Bro Mustansir, Bohras of today are indeed PAGAN ............. and also PAGAL .......... :lol: If a Qasr-e-Mawalli is dead, worhip his grave, if alive, worship that mortal ........... this is THE bohra belief today, sadly though.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by y-kuc » Wed May 14, 2014 12:47 pm

wise_guy wrote:
way2go wrote:SHIRK to the ULTIMATE!!! This is what happens in MS's duniya! Are these true believers in Allah Taala's religion of Islam....

Below video recd on WhatsApp....please watch.
Gumraah logo.. die hards.. any comments on this ??
This exercise has its root in the evan of Jamea Saifiya Surat and subsequently Karachi and all the other Jameas now.
The Toloba there are supposed to go kiss these pictures every night after dinner and before turning in. It has been slowly carried out to other places now.

I suppose this is how brainwashed slaves are made.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by y-kuc » Wed May 14, 2014 1:10 pm

silvertongue wrote:
way2go wrote:SHIRK to the ULTIMATE!!! This is what happens in MS's duniya! Are these true believers in Allah Taala's religion of Islam....

Below video recd on WhatsApp....please watch.
No one knows the secrets of hearts but Allah. If you are showing this video and proving your point that just by kissing something is shirk then i believe kissing Hajr e Aswad would be shirk. Visiting the graves and kissing them would be shirk. Kissing ur parents feet out of love and respect will be shirk. Even kissing your children out of love would be shirk. Grow up guys and think a little positive about things. Not every single abde worships the Dai. I agree the number is huge who consider them equal to God and divine but this video proves nothing in that context. Its all about the intention and no one knows what is in their hearts other than Allah.

Jazakallah.
It is not about kissing.

It is about the quraan saying - ma kaana le bashar'n en yu'teya hu allahu l kitaba wel'hukma we'nubuwata thumma yaqulo li'nnase koonu 3ebad elli mn dooni'allah welakin koonu rabbaniyina bema to3eallemoona'l kitaba we bema kuntum tadrusoon.

from Ali Imran ayat 79
roughly translated: "It is not for a human to whom has been given by allah the Book, and Hukoomat, and Nuboowat and then says to people be ebaad(abds/servants) to me with allah aside, rather would say- be people of god because of what you have been taught of from the Book and of what you have studied."

This also ""literally"" covers people saying abde sayyedna... ROFL. i noticed it after writing the translation :P