Bohra SMS Duniya

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ghulam muhammed
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Re: bad accident of kuwait amil.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:23 pm

He was very badly injured but after that there are no reports.

Crater Lake
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:24 pm

Is there any limit to the goondagiri of the MS jamaats? Is this even legal? what kind of insecurity drives these people to make such threats? Are Silicon Valley
Professionals going to let a bunch of [DELETED] dictate to them who they can associate with?!!!

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:45:16 -0800
Subject: Urgent
From: bod.anjumanejamalisj@gmail.com
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com

There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.

Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS Moula ni umr shareef ne taa roze qayamat sehat na malabis fakhera ma daraaz karjo. Aameen.

Abeede Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS
AEJ BOD

confusedaboutnass
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by confusedaboutnass » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:10 pm

Crater Lake wrote:Is there any limit to the goondagiri of the MS jamaats? Is this even legal? what kind of insecurity drives these people to make such threats? Are Silicon Valley
Professionals going to let a bunch of Taliban types dictate to them who they can associate with?!!!

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:45:16 -0800
Subject: Urgent
From: bod.anjumanejamalisj@gmail.com
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com

There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.

Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS Moula ni umr shareef ne taa roze qayamat sehat na malabis fakhera ma daraaz karjo. Aameen.

Abeede Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS
AEJ BOD
Ha! Just yesterday in Dubai, MS mentioned in chelum waaz about the importance of accepting shaadi izan and how it is important not to look at who did what in the past.

When will the hypocrisy end??

Universaldad
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Re: bad accident of kuwait amil.

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:31 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:He was very badly injured but after that there are no reports.
Alhamdolillah, he is in the pink of health and doing khidmat of his Moula in Dubai. May he live long in the khidmat of his Moula and mumineen.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Universaldad
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:38 am

confusedaboutnass wrote:
Crater Lake wrote:Is there any limit to the goondagiri of the MS jamaats? Is this even legal? what kind of insecurity drives these people to make such threats? Are Silicon Valley
Professionals going to let a bunch of [DELETED] dictate to them who they can associate with?!!!

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:45:16 -0800
Subject: Urgent
From: bod.anjumanejamalisj@gmail.com
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com

There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.

Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS Moula ni umr shareef ne taa roze qayamat sehat na malabis fakhera ma daraaz karjo. Aameen.

Abeede Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS
AEJ BOD
Ha! Just yesterday in Dubai, MS mentioned in chelum waaz about the importance of accepting shaadi izan and how it is important not to look at who did what in the past.

When will the hypocrisy end??
Well this tyebjee fellow has walked out from the Dawoodi bohra fold and become a dushman of dawat so for sure no mumin would now be part of his life. He can be sure that [DELETED] [DELETED] [DELETED]

summer123
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by summer123 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:05 am

Chehlum waaz mubarak Dubai H1436:

Ae mumenat behno me tamare kahu che gor si sunjo

* Tame tamara mard ni ta'at karjo

* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kida bager sadaqo bhi na kare

* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kare bina ghar si bahar na jae, agar bina khabar kide chala jae to aasman ane zamin na farishtao ena upr laanat pade che , jiwar lag ke wo paacha wali ne ena ghare na wale

Saas ne kahu chu ke wo ena dikra na bairo sathe mohabbat rakhe,
Bija ghar ni dikri lawiye che to ena si ghuli mili ne rahe..

Ane pachi hasta hua farmayu ke
"Saas em na samjhe ke maro dikro to ena baira si ghani mohabbat kare che ane wo ehno thai gyo"
na na kyare bhi em na samajh jo mard to ena baira si mohabbat karsej ne..

Ae mumenin ni jamaat
Kyare bhi sina ma kino na rakhjo..
Jem ke shadi ma card aapta agar bhuli gya hoe koi ne to wo bhi ene card na aape,

Misunderstanding na thae, misund. si rishtao na rishtao tuti jae che

Bhai bhai si alag thai jae che

Mard bairao si alag thai jae che

Em nahi ke wo waat nahi karto to me su kaam aage rai ne waat karu.. na na biradaro em kyare na karjo

Agar misund. hoe ane kae samajh ma na aawe waat to waaram war puchjo .. lekin rishto na todi dejo

Pachi farmayu ke bairao lihaaz ma rahe ena, em nahi ke bahar jae to eno lihaaz j bhuli jae,

Khuda ta'ala tamne hifazat ma rakhjo, shetano na teero si bachawjo, Aamin

Khuda ta'ala apna aa shan na daai apna mola sayedna aali qadr mufaddal saifuddin tus ne sehat ane aafiyat ma aapni umr sharif ne qayamat na din lag daraz ane daraz karjo

Forwarded as received

summer123
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by summer123 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:42 am

This letter has been sent to Kinana BS :

Bhai saab, as you are already aware of yesterdays incident during General bethaq
Since me and my daughter were left mehrum I no longer request but demand for a special arrangement to be made for mothers with children like me to get the sharaf of qadambosi officially
My daughter landed up with a bleeding nose and I am left with severe shoulder injury
There was a lapse of management which led To a stampede
Also, I don't think burhani guards are eligible to enter the ziyafat today due to the chaos and trauma Dy have put us through yesterday in the tent
My only question is why the discrimination was done as ladies were not allowed to enter with kids
Men were allowed n General Bethaq with one child
There has to be a correction abt the incident
I have full faith that you will do everything possible to seek justice for us
We have never doubted your leadership
We have been very thankful to you and are indebted in many ways as your concerted efforts has brought Dubai jamaat to where it stands today
You have been a great leader all this while
But there are members who misuse there khidmat and status
Which is very disturbing for us the common public
From this incident I feel it's best that I join any khidmat n misuse my rights as the rest of them are presently doing
Maybe Dats the only way to get through Moula TUS

Forwarded as received

think_for_yourself
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:09 am

confusedaboutnass wrote:
Crater Lake wrote:Is there any limit to the goondagiri of the MS jamaats? Is this even legal? what kind of insecurity drives these people to make such threats? Are Silicon Valley
Professionals going to let a bunch of Taliban types dictate to them who they can associate with?!!!

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:45:16 -0800
Subject: Urgent
From: bod.anjumanejamalisj@gmail.com
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com

There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.

Khuda Ta'ala Aqa Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS Moula ni umr shareef ne taa roze qayamat sehat na malabis fakhera ma daraaz karjo. Aameen.

Abeede Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS
AEJ BOD
Ha! Just yesterday in Dubai, MS mentioned in chelum waaz about the importance of accepting shaadi izan and how it is important not to look at who did what in the past.

When will the hypocrisy end??
Let's see... Does this mean That MSLovers cannot attend Sunni Muslim friend's wedding next because they revere Awwal who is a dushman of Ali a.s.?

haqniwaat
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:17 am

summer123 wrote:Chehlum waaz mubarak Dubai H1436:
Ae mumenat behno me tamare kahu che gor si sunjo
* Tame tamara mard ni ta'at karjo
* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kida bager sadaqo bhi na kare
* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kare bina ghar si bahar na jae, agar bina khabar kide chala jae to aasman ane zamin na farishtao ena upr laanat pade che , jiwar lag ke wo paacha wali ne ena ghare na wale
So all women who follow mufaddal bs are now following these commandments?!

kimanumanu
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:21 am

It is obviously a reference to the daughters of SKQ.

UnhappyBohra
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:24 am

haqniwaat wrote:
summer123 wrote:Chehlum waaz mubarak Dubai H1436:
Ae mumenat behno me tamare kahu che gor si sunjo
* Tame tamara mard ni ta'at karjo
* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kida bager sadaqo bhi na kare
* bairao ehna mard ne khabar kare bina ghar si bahar na jae, agar bina khabar kide chala jae to aasman ane zamin na farishtao ena upr laanat pade che , jiwar lag ke wo paacha wali ne ena ghare na wale
So all women who follow mufaddal bs are now following these commandments?!
For once he talks sense. I would love for my wife to ask my permission before she goes to Costco and then OBEY me when I say NO :lol:

think_for_yourself
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:28 am

UnhappyBohra wrote:
haqniwaat wrote: So all women who follow mufaddal bs are now following these commandments?!
For once he talks sense. I would love for my wife to ask my permission before she goes to Costco and then OBEY me when I say NO :lol:
Sorry pal, your wife is recepient of lanat of asman and Zameen farishtas on her Costco trips.

haqniwaat
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:34 am

The only reason I personally even believe in this religion - in fact, in Islam itself - is because of Syedna Qutbuddin. Otherwise, with all the nonsense that has been going on for decades, without him being there showing continual sabr, I would have lost my faith altogether. It is because of Syedna Qutbuddin that I was inspired to keep on going, no matter what nonsense was spewed by the powerful. I am sure that I am not alone in this frame of mind. Like the shehzadas abused Burhanuddin Mola RA - and it's obvious now in various videos and especially the final Ashara - after the stroke, they have been abusing his wishes for decades. Only those who have true faith will see through this smoke and eventually, the mirrors will crack and fall.

kimanumanu
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:37 am

I wonder what he would say to Malala Yousafzai - maybe someone should arrange an audience with her?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjGL6YY6oMs

haqniwaat
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:47 am

Crater Lake wrote:...There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.
AEJ BOD
This reminds me of the time during Burhanuddin Mola's RA era when Shabbir Yamani, who was then Syedna Qutbuddin's assistant, went crying to Syedna Qutbuddin because people were told not to come to his family's shaadi. He had written a very strong arzi accusing mufaddal bs. Now that same Shabbir Yamani is doing $amalat$ in mufaddal bs' raj. You never know who can turn on a dime.

DisillusionedDB
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:28 am

kimanumanu wrote:I wonder what he would say to Malala Yousafzai
Malala ne to ghar no kono ikhtiyar karwo joiye .. aa su kare che .. em .. em na thai .. aam kai karaai .. ghair mardo saathe Nobel prize leva jai che .. ghair mardo saathe stage par speech aape che .. su su thai jayi .. ghanu khotu kare che.

SBM
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:34 am

Crater Lake
This letter should be sent to DOJ Civil Right department US Attorney will investigate this case as this is social boycott and US Attorney takes this very seriously specially coming from the Non Profit Religious Authority,
Here is the contact
Central District of California Main Phone: (213) 894-2400
Central District of California Fax line: (213) 894-0141
By Postal Mail
Correspondence to the Central District of California, including the U.S. Attorney , may be sent to:
United States Attorney's Office
Central District of California
312 North Spring Street
Suite 1200
Los Angeles, California 90012
Alternatively they can also contact ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union in San Fransisco)
Since it is in writing you have proof of this Baarat nonsense

haqniwaat
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:53 am

Submitted to the FBI as follows:

FAITH-BASED PERSECUTION
The 1,000-year-old Dawoodi Bohra community of roughly two million followers worldwide recently split after the passing of the 52nd Da'i (religious leader) in India. Due to the split in leadership, the minority followers of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin (fatemidawat.com), are being persecuted in various ways around the world. Recently, an email was sent by the San Jose congregation to all followers not to attend the wedding of one of the followers of Syedna Qutbuddin. As a non-profit organization with tax-free status, I don't believe that according to the laws of the United States, this congregation in San Jose can threaten anyone not to attend anything.

Here is the email and the congregation's info is below it along with definitions of Gujarati words:

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:45:16 -0800
Subject: Urgent
From: bod.anjumanejamalisj@gmail.com
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com

There are strong indications that there is shaadi in Muslim Tyebjee's family in the next few days. All jamaat mumineen are expressly warned to not attend any such event. If the AEJ BOD learns that a jamaat member has attended this shaadi, strict action will be taken against such member.

AEJ BOD
[Anjuman-e-Jamali (San Jose, California)
Phone: Amilsaheb Ammar Bhaisaheb: 408-839-5872 * Shk Aliasgar Taquee: 408-221-6029 * Shk Zoaib Rangwala: 408-828-1438
Email: sj-jamaat@anjuman-e-jamali.com]

shaadi = wedding; jamaat = congregation; mumineen = faithful.

SBM
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:46 am

Where is our Resident Profiler when we need him :)
Whose rights he will defend? Is it legal in state of California to do these kinds of activities since he is from California too..

Ozdundee
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:43 pm

Bohras who have big manly chests and those who don't wear girls bangles should ignore the threat and ask the Jamaat Ayan ..Hollywood style ...go ahead and make my day. That is is if Tayebji agrees the wedding becomes a reformist show! If I was invited I would have gone surely !

Do as SBM says but Just keep the copy of the email .

I would also send the Jamaat ayan an email , let's get everyone on this site bombard them with protest email, and tell them what we think of their threats and what we will do about it!

Admin please move this topic under Jamaat issues ..it is a smoking gun!

haqniwaat
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:04 pm

I strongly encourage all US citizens to report the above shaadi email to the FBI. It's very easy to do - simply go here - https://tips.fbi.gov/. Remember that you are sending information to the US government and you must complete all of your contact information as required.
Also, the aamil Ammar is not a US citizen and is simply here on a visa. He is the nephew-in-law of qaid johar the laanat-partier and the nephew of behlul, the king of Los Angeles. I, for one, as an American citizen, do not want hatred-spewing civil-rights-abusing aamils to be allowed into the United States. I suggest that the people in San Jose begin to utilize their rights as American citizens.

SBM
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:11 pm

Br Haqniwaat
In addition to sending to FBI, it should also be directed to US Attorney in Central District of California since FBI investigates and here in this context there is no investigation to be done rather reporting to US Attorney for action. Please do remember FBI only investigates and then present it to US Attorney for action and it is US Attorney who decides to take it to next level.
Also this should be reported to local news media. Some one should send it to the local news paper and inform the local TV channels.

fustrate_Bohra
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:01 pm

If possible this dhamki wala email should be broadcast in india too.

SBM
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:40 pm

fustrate_Bohra wrote:If possible this dhamki wala email should be broadcast in india too.
As if Indian justice system and Media really cares? :roll: They are in the pockets of Kothari Goons

seeker110
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:37 pm

It costs them money to jump each obstacle. It just opens a new door for the govt., rishwatkhores.

alam
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by alam » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:01 pm

Regarding that wedding in San jose, it seems that Sending an email is far easier with the click of a button, rather than making a public announcement which can be recorded and transmitted. Or a phone call that can be recorded. Hope people in that San jose Jamaat who receive such phone calls will be recording them. Never know, people become stupid and would be far better if the san jose Ayaaan would leave threatening voicemail message. :shock:

seeker110
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:18 pm

This is the second instance of its kind. First time it was during Ramzan.

New
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by New » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:14 pm

In the past there was an e-mail from the SJ jamat with regards to Muslim bhai. It said that no one should keep acontact with him. That email should provide more ammunition in the civil rights issues. Has some one a copy of that?
After the festivities are over, recommend to Muslimbhai to file a suit of defamation and also for recovering the cost of no shows because of the threat. The Jumat should lose its tax exempt status. Show the connection of persecution of minority linking to Muffy and stop him coming to the USA.
The quetion is who is going to dol all that? Most of us are chiken abdes among dawoodi bakras.
There is should be ample evidence of persecution as lanats, public excommunication in Azad Maidan, beating up of 3 sons of SKQ in Raudat to Tahera. I am sure local jamats have given lanats which may have been recorded.

dawedaar
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by dawedaar » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:18 pm

Infact, emails are easier and hard proof which can never be deleted or tempered because they are stored on the server of the service provider. The court also takes email as solid evidence and emails have been crucial in many court judgements in the past.
alam wrote:Regarding that wedding in San jose, it seems that Sending an email is far easier with the click of a button, rather than making a public announcement which can be recorded and transmitted. Or a phone call that can be recorded. Hope people in that San jose Jamaat who receive such phone calls will be recording them. Never know, people become stupid and would be far better if the san jose Ayaaan would leave threatening voicemail message. :shock:

kimanumanu
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:24 pm

New - this was posted by you in another thread:
New wrote:Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 16:34:37 +0530
Subject: Urgent
From: sanjoseamil@alvazarat.org
To: sj-jamaat@googlegroups.com
Salaam un Jameel
All mumeneen are kindly requested to refrain from contacting Muslim tyebjee. He has pledged his allegiance against Mufaddal Moula Tus. The point of contact for all jamaat related queries will now be
Sh Aliasgar taquee : Wali mulla
Sh Zoeb rangwala : Anjuman E Jamali joint Secretary.

Was Salaam
Abde Syedna Aali Qadar Tus
Ammar Mudreka BS, Aamil Saheb San Jose CA

I know Muslim bhai personally, He had given selfless service to the San Jose jamaat for years. Just on mere suspicion, his name was removed from the bank account without his knowledge 3-4 months ago. These are our leaders who effectively control our jaan and maal, deen and duniya and finally jannat and jahhanam. Sun Nirrali Shaan Chhe.

Please, accept our sincere thanks, we are your friends for ever.