Dawoodi Bohra Forum

AgnosticIndian wrote:No harm in meeting people or gurus of different faiths.

Of course there is no harm in meeting people of different faiths. Point is:

This haaath jorwanu in namaste form is firstly a hindu custom,
secondly it's what Bohras do to Dai and this picture shows they worship Hindu Gurus, and therefore
The HYPOCRISY.

Intention of meeting such gurus will make all the difference between right and wrong !

No harm in namaste greetings !! it is the intentions in one’s heart that makes all the difference !

Hasanpir ma koi raees che.... emna paase ek Ghodo che... tya na amil ye bhai ne sheikh banwa nu kidhi to e kahe ke maara Ghoda ne banawi do... jyaare bhi amil kahe ene sheikh banwa nu to ek aj waat kare ki maara Ghoda ne sheikh banawi do... to hamna Mufaddal Mola gaya hasanpir to amil ye aap ne araz kidhi ki aam yaha na ek raees ne main sheikh banwa nu kahiyu to ek aj waat kahe che mara Ghoda ne sheikh banawi do.... Mufaddal Mola ye kidhu ki problem su chhe, banawi do Ghoda ne sheikh... amil kidu ke mola Ghoda ne kewi reete sheikh banawi sake...

To Molaye farmayu ki GHADEDA O ne SHEIKH banawi rahya chhe to aa to GHODO chhe !!

wise_guy wrote:these people are not abdes for sure. Look at their attire and face. Plain kurta pyjama n clean shaven. So obvious. Progressives can't even understand this much. They are so agile in recognizing everything otherwise

ghulam muhammed wrote:[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x7 ... 9/tjsv.jpg[/img]

someone ought to knock some sense into thier heads. these pics should be sent to Badri/Saify Mahal for action to be taken against them.

Attending a discourse is one thing, no harm there. i have been to a discourse of SS ravishankar, but sitting with folded hands like that sends out the wrong signal

Zinger
Attending a ravi sankar “Art-of-Living” is more like self development seminar, there is very little religious about it, (poly or monotheism types)

Attending such saadu baba sessions are religiously motivated, it is this ignorance and dependence which even kothar thrives on !! kothar will surely reprimand them… the only reason is … they have sabaks, why go anywhere else…

humanbeing wrote:Zinger
Attending a ravi sankar “Art-of-Living” is more like self development seminar, there is very little religious about it, (poly or monotheism types)

Attending such saadu baba sessions are religiously motivated, it is this ignorance and dependence which even kothar thrives on !! kothar will surely reprimand them… the only reason is … they have sabaks, why go anywhere else…

agreed. this is what the kothar shoudl ask them, are our sabaks not enough that they have to go to a hindu sabak

Zinger
agreed. this is what the kothar shoudl ask them, are our sabaks not enough that they have to go to a hindu sabak

Zinger Bhai
Why blame these poor souls when SMS and his Goons have faith in the testimony of an ordinary Hindu for Daiship then the word of Mazoon
I suppose these Abdes see nothing wrong in going to Hindu Baba when they see their own Dai is hugged by Baba Ramdeve and getting a lesson about Yoga they think if Dai can hug and learn then why not them.

SBM wrote:

Zinger
agreed. this is what the kothar shoudl ask them, are our sabaks not enough that they have to go to a hindu sabak

Zinger Bhai
Why blame these poor souls when SMS and his Goons have faith in the testimony of an ordinary Hindu for Daiship then the word of Mazoon
I suppose these Abdes see nothing wrong in going to Hindu Baba when they see their own Dai is hugged by Baba Ramdeve and getting a lesson about Yoga they think if Dai can hug and learn then why not them.

Zingerbhai. Our sabak means which Muffy dawat ones or Fatemidawat ones ?

Do you know how lucky abdes are , nowadays it's a good choice ...it's like we get both favours ...one you pay twice the cost and get one servicing the other pay nothing and get a serve too.

I have you tube choice if you want Sunni or Shia too. Which is free but then where's the fun...so uncontroversial .

But those abdes who like real Hindu style may want to look for someone they can wholeheartedly human worship attend these swami styles.

Jago mumin jago
ek nawo khulaso
Ratlam ane pura alame imanya ma aqa mola ye feze mawadil burhani ni thali muminin ne barkat na waste ane har ek muminin ne ek jiwu jaman mile te waste a shuru kidu 6 par ratlam ma feze mawadina (old)
Membar mujaffar sabu wala ajiz rang wala ane m.mustufa barud wala
A fiz ni khidmat karata hata khidmat kiwi ke 10 10 hazar selery ane bakra ni zabihat thai to mundi siry paya pehla bani ne shk.murtuza chakki wala m.juzar seketry mujaffar sabu wala m.mustufa barud wala ajiz rang wala ane akbar bhai hamid na ghare poche kem ke ye khidmat karta tha to hene ziyada zarurat hati ane akbar bhai hamid mujaffar na samdhi 6 ye waja se ye bhi spestiol
Ane pay sa ni bhi jarurat to mujaffar ane ajiz ni bairawo bhi khidmat kare roty dekhwa ni ane 5 5 hajar selary lai hal ma ratlam dawte bhai sahab padjara ane a sab khulaso ratlam na koimumin ye kidu or a bhi khulaso thayo ka aqa mola na waha si je garib mumin waste muwast awe 6 ye huna ma se bhi ye mumin na thali na nam par 7 hajar kati ne pay apta hata to dawat na saheb ghana naraz thaya ke mola muwasat sa mate mpkle 6 tamne malum 6 ye sub membar ne hataya ane ajiz rangwala ane mustufa barud wala se ghano gussa ma hisab mango to 2 we san thai gaya ane koi jawab na bano pachi bad ma hisab apwa nu kidu je hal tak apo nathi ane ap se bhi kase ajiz to car ane 2 new moped baira bachcha waste ane ghar ne new colour new farnish karai lidu to hawe hisab apwu bhi mushkil or koi wat bhi nai ratlam na mumin bhi bhola 4 diwas boli ne rahi jase par nai jago mumin jago

Bhaiyo... We ourselves can see and feel the change of time.......

Just before few months in our messages what we were getting ? Mojizas of Dai ... what are they doing... where are they going ? And nowadays what we are getting in our messages.... Jokes of Dai and his gang.... all their nonsense doings... funny pics of Amils and Saheb Dawat... pics of their collecting money from hard working people...

These so called Royal family has ruined our society completely... Everything is going according to their plan... Everything started after the Udaipur scandal and rise of Bohra youth. We people speak 'Youth' as a bad word or gaali but has anyone noticed that SHABAB and YOUTH have the same meaning.... After the Udaipur scandal, kothar planned to make our people live like slaves... They changed the system of society completely... Each and every power they took in their hands... Before, the Amil was suppose to give just Raza or permission... but now after the Amil gives Raza he warns us on each and every occasion we want to do... from a child's birth Akika, Misaq, engagement, marriage or funeral.. that how much salam.. how many people to invite.. menu they give... you cant burst crackers or partake in your wedding, no dance and music. They planned us to sit under their feet and kiss it... so no one will ever try to rise like the Youth... no one will argue and can ask them any questions... coloured Safai chithi came... long beard and topi... no bank and insurance jobs... in fact they don't want anybody to work in private sector... they always tell to do own business because if we work we can learn many things from other people.. They just want us to disconnect from the rest of the world... if we see from our own mind that whatever they are telling us to do... they themselves are not doing it. They tell us not to dance and play music or partake in our marriage ceremony... But they are playing Band Baja and dancing and crackers worth millions of rupees in Dai's birth anniversaries... They tell us not to eat of a Hindu's hand but they are eating... They tell us not to keep relationship with other society people but they are doing business with them.. What these Kothar Royals think ?? Are we foolish or blind.. everybody understands each and every thing .. but cant say anything to them because all are scared, afraid of Barat from society and Barat of not only that particular person but Barat of his complete blood relatives.. So the Royal kothar, their elected Amils, Amil's elected chamchas all have become officers and treat us like criminals.

Allah's Masjids are turned into entertainment halls with huge LCDs and projector screens with every now and then showing old DVDs of Molas vayez or opening of a masjid or Mola performing ziarat or their birthday celebration.. people sit till late night to watch the DVDs.. Please look around you while Mola's DVDs are playing.. people are either sleeping or talking or playing with their mobile phones, tired, frustrated and most of them are waiting for food.. These jamatkhanas is also the main game of Kothar's plan. What is the first necessity of life ?? FOOD !!... if they don't serve food after any occasion then see how many people come to Masjids or Markaz. They have made us foolish, cowards, selfish.. You listen to any other religious preachings rather then Dawoodi Bohras and will see that all other religions talk about mankind, help other human beings no matter whatever religion he is... in our vayez they tell us to help only mumenin... and everything for ourselves only.. so that's why we all have made ourselves the best in this world.. we look at other people other religions as rubbish.

They have fixed in our mind that ONLY we people, only dawoodi bohras will be granted entry to Jannat no matter what our deeds are, no matter what good or bad you have done. if you are with Dai and you believe in him then no one can stop you from entering HEAVEN after you die...

Our whole life they have asked us to give every now and then... new name of a new TAX. No one is bothered to know who is taking money, where the money is going... any chamcha of local amil stands up with a polythene bag and goes masalla to masalla and takes money... tonnes of gold is taken in the name of Ma Fatema Zehra's Zari Mubarak... we feel very proud when we see Saifee Hospital but has anyone noticed that majority of the hospital staff is non-bohras and no special discount is given to Bohras... they build schools with public money and then charge high fees.

Making Mullas and Sheikhs are like making toys with China Clay.. I know a person... he is below average in education but somehow he made good money.. few years back he went to Saifee Mahal to pay WAJEBAT.. before the final procedure one of the amil saw that he is giving a huge amount for wajebat so the amil told him to leave wajebat and he will try to make him MULLA with this much amount plus wajebat and the man became Mulla and sadar of local area and people kneel down before him !!!

Received by whatsup:

This is a true story:
One recently titled sheikh of Dawoodi Bohra was talking to his friend sheikh, who has got title of sheikh one and half year earlier.
Sala to murakh baniyo! Tu ye saikhpanu 52 lakh ma lidhu ane me ye fakat 2.5 lakh ma. Tu sacho business man nathi.
Lo kaho aama kon murakh banyu ane kon che e jene aa banne ne murakh banaviya!

ghulam muhammed wrote: long beard and topi... no bank and insurance jobs

Last i checked, beard is part of Sunnat e Mohammad SAW. We can argue on other things but what is the argument against a topi and beard for a Muslim really?
And Riba is haraam. So if Syedna Burhanuddin RA has shielded us from it, we are so proud of it!

Surprising what makes these find mention in your post?

They tell us not to dance and play music or partake in our marriage ceremony...

Not sure what you meant by "partake in our marriage ceremony"...

They tell us not to eat of a Hindu's hand but they are eating...

'They' tell us ... because they are supposed to disseminate the teaching. Like it, take it. Believe it, practice it.
Where is the coercion? Haq is haq and the Imam uz zaman and his Naib in Satr are Haq.

For anyone else, why must we (mumineen) care?

They tell us not to keep relationship with other society people but they are doing business with them..

Example? Who has asked us to not keep relationship with "other" society? This is 'news' literally, sorry!

Many other points i beg to disagree but surely you may have had experiences that may have led to this beliefs.
Allah ta knows best.

Bro adna_mumin,

Please understand that this was a watsup msg circulated in some Bohra circles and not my individual opinion although many would agree to most of the observations and disagree to some. You have some valid points which are true but its important to understand the context in which it is written. The thread itself states "Bohri SMS Duniya".

And Riba is haraam. So if Syedna Burhanuddin RA has shielded us from it, we are so proud of it!

But it is okay to advertise about 15% interest on Bombay Paint and Chemical (posted some where on this forum from a relative of Syedna)
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/images/forum/ ... paints.jpg

Modern Day Bohra Couple

[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... 5/yuu2.jpg[/img]

Faiz ul Mawaid al Burhaniyah

Al hayy ul Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA ne chikoli ghani pasand hati.

Aap Maula RA na irshaad mutaabiq har Jumoa na din Saifee Mahal ma chikoli banavaa ma avti ane ehma qasre aali na sahebo pote roti banavta.

Aap Maula ni iqteda karta hua aapna mansoos Syedna Aali Qadr Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS nu farman ane khushi che ke Faiz ul Mawaid al Burhaniyah ni thali ma chikoli banava ma aave ane sagla ne mokalwa ma aawe.

Aa farman ne maathe chadhavta hua apna yahan Faiz ul Mawaid al Burhaniyah (Sharjah) ni Thaali ma har
mahina ma ek waar chikoli banaawa ma aavse Inshallah.

Sagla Mumenaat Chiloki Waaste Roti Banava Ni Khidmat Ma Shamil Thai ane Maula Tus Ni Khushi Hasil Kare em sagla si Iltemaas che.

It is strong rumour that due to conflict with qaid zoher B.S & Muffadal B.S, Dr Moiz B.S has acknowledge and confirmed in press conference that announcement of NASS in London & Rozat was bogus.

Has anyone heard about this or can confirm?

@Subcon11
where do you get news from? MARS?

wishful thinking!

Bro Akhtar Wahid,

The subject message is doing rounds in Bohra circles but its far from the truth.

bohrabhai wrote:Aa farman ne maathe chadhavta hua apna yahan Faiz ul Mawaid al Burhaniyah (Sharjah) ni Thaali ma har
mahina ma ek waar chikoli banaawa ma aavse Inshallah.

I recently heard there was gold collection drive in Sharjah in past few days for the new zarih construction of Ali.

Further there is an email issued from the jamaat that Ramadan masallah space allocation will be done only if all the below criterias are met:
1. Each Baalig member of the family has completed misaq in the last two months and Sharjah Jamaat records are updated for the same.
2. Participated in Ta'lim al Quran Survey
3. Muharamat form must have been submitted
4. Sabil - Personal and Shop/Establishment for 1434 is cleared
5. Wajebaat 1434 H should be cleared
6. No default on Qardan Hasana from Faize-Burhani, Taiyebi Qardan Hasana schemes, Muvasaat Qardan or any other Jamaat overdues
7. Dependent son of the age 18 years or above should have a separate Sabil ID even though he may still be studying or not employed, dependent son whose Sabil ID has been created in last two years but still Sabil not paid, must pay their Sabil dues.
8. e-Jamaat verification must be completed
9. Newly arrived members should have their e-Jamaat transferred to Sharjah and Transfer-In procedure completed at the Jamaat office
10. Photo in Imani Shear should be uploaded on http://www.anajmishj.org.
11. Personal data such as email, mobile nos., residence & office nos., Mohalla must be updated
12. Masjid Project Fund amount must be cleared.

So i guess, they are in a collection overdrive. Now namaaz in masjid during Ramadan is also subject to clearance of all dues and submitting to their authority.

I guess someone who is Sharjah resident here and recepient of the email should forward it to Awaqaf trust in Sharjah. This will clearly expose the jamaat. They are anyways having hard time with Awaqaf.

Br. Aymelek,

You cant use this link. I have reported you can also do

http://www.awqaf.gov.ae/ContactUs.aspx? ... =ContactUs

I have not heard anything from Sharjah regarding gold collection. No announcement in Masjid.

moula tus ma arz kidi ke platform per saglu bethwanu intezaam kidu che to te waqt phatak bund hatu moula tus karam farmawi gaari ma si utri ne phatak na niche si jhukine phatak cross kari padhara ajab ahsaan moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya viramgam
aaliqadr toh aaliqadr che !!!

ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro adna_mumin,

Please understand that this was a watsup msg circulated in some Bohra circles and not my individual opinion although many would agree to most of the observations and disagree to some. You have some valid points which are true but its important to understand the context in which it is written. The thread itself states "Bohri SMS Duniya".

I did not realize that it was not opinion but a forwarded msg, my apologies as i seem to have attributed them to you.
However was only addressing the points raised.

One realizes the hollowness of those arguments where instances used such as in this message are known non-truths; can be dismissed as such.
Neither do they add to the experience of reading.

SBM wrote:

And Riba is haraam. So if Syedna Burhanuddin RA has shielded us from it, we are so proud of it!

But it is okay to advertise about 15% interest on Bombay Paint and Chemical (posted some where on this forum from a relative of Syedna)
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/images/forum/ ... paints.jpg

Wont make riba halal even if some engage in it. I believe this is irrespective of who engages in it.
Please carry on to expose the dubious relatives or otherwise.

DumbaJamaat wrote:moula tus ma arz kidi ke platform per saglu bethwanu intezaam kidu che to te waqt phatak bund hatu moula tus karam farmawi gaari ma si utri ne phatak na niche si jhukine phatak cross kari padhara ajab ahsaan moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya viramgam
aaliqadr toh aaliqadr che !!!

Way to Go Muffy!
Exemplary Behavior!
People should not ride two wheelers because they are dangerous, but you can cross the rail tracks on a red signal????

DumbaJamaat wrote:moula tus ma arz kidi ke platform per saglu bethwanu intezaam kidu che to te waqt phatak bund hatu moula tus karam farmawi gaari ma si utri ne phatak na niche si jhukine phatak cross kari padhara ajab ahsaan moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya viramgam
aaliqadr toh aaliqadr che !!!

Exemplary Law Abiding behavior Great example in following road safety rules...This is exactly what I want my dai to teach my kids!

DumbaJamaat wrote:moula tus ma arz kidi ke platform per saglu bethwanu intezaam kidu che to te waqt phatak bund hatu moula tus karam farmawi gaari ma si utri ne phatak na niche si jhukine phatak cross kari padhara ajab ahsaan moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya viramgam
aaliqadr toh aaliqadr che !!!

1. muffy seems to be reinforcing the widely held view that he is not only a misogynist, but also crazy, ducking under a closed railway crossing..!! maybe these photos should be sent to the railway authorities so that they can prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.
2. what was his hurry in crossing the tracks? it was not so that "moula tus taake ziyada waqt aapi saka ane mumineen qadambos thaya", but because if the gate opened after 10 mins, he would lose a substantial amount of the haraam ni kamai from idiot abdes!
3. he was probably leading a whole posse' of subservient abdes across the tracks so that like the pied piper of hamelin he could have them all cut down like rats by the onrushing train. a superb example of 'vinaash kaale viparit buddhhi'

muffy deserves a full length satire made on him. would be a huge box-office sell-out. i can think of a star cast consisting of john cleese, lars nielsen, steve martin, woody allen, nigel hawthorne, richard palin, mr. bean (rowan atkinson) and the marx brothers, with groucho marx playing h.h. muffy.

any suggestions on casting?

Glenn Close - busaheba Zohra.

plz ignore this comment.