Bohra SMS Duniya

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WiththenameofAllah
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:25 am

zinger wrote:
There is a difference between an official sanction and an over-zealous aamil saying it.
This will never be made officially because even they know the wrath that can fall on them
SMSes and whatsapp messages and emails referring to Dai as Kaaba and all is fine because these are circulated internally but let them declare it officially and see what will happen then
Ok So if it is not official it is right and SMS the guider to the truth is not even willing to stop this shirk ? Take example of Mola Ali (A.S) what was his role to guide people to Allah to develop taqwa. If you say these sms and messages as they are not official but still correct then the people sending these should be outcast.
zinger wrote: This is an outright and blatant lie. the pics can be in the halls or other areas that are outside/above/besides/under the main Masjid area but not in it. like the hall for instance.
Ok no pics of SMS i agree too in masjids but what about videos of SMS . I have spent some time in a masjid in Pakistan where SMS video was on projectors and people will pray nicely in front of it.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:25 am

zinger wrote: also, i have often seen people saying how the masjid has pictures of the Dai.This is an outright and blatant lie. the pics can be in the halls or other areas that are outside/above/besides/under the main Masjid area but not in it. like the hall for instance.
Correct, masjids cannot have anyone’s pictures. Also there are several other rules that kothar violates :

Masjids have a video projection screen mounted before Qiblaah, so when A/V are relayed, people are sitting on masala or otherwise facing the Qiblah and going all emotionally spiritual raising their Namaste palms in devotion, respect, love or worship whatever you want to call it.

Particularly in Kuwait Markaz, there are many video projections screens, where they have kept SMS photo as a screen saver, you get the drift, photo frames are replaced with digital projections.

Any place where namaaz is offered regularly is similar as masjid. Therefore it must not hold any particular pictures.

Many markaz, serves meals at the place where namaaz is performed, in my information, this is also not allowed as per Islamic understanding. Common sense also says, food and drink shall not be served, we have seen many fist fights and disappointments over spilled “chai” on white masalllahs and bhaari ridaas ! people are also ill mannered and leave the rubbish and left overs at the same place where they are praying such as date seeds, tea cups, wrappers, water bottles.
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Sorry for diversion of topic here :
What I wish to convey is ; All these bravado and sense of superiority of being better muslims than others is a farce. Kothar does not prioritize instilling etiquettes as similar to that of collecting funds or force submission (kadambosi). Few years back there was a militant style enforcement of beard and topi by Kothari amils, mullahs and sheikhs. Ridiculing people in public and creating ruckus in nikaahs, misaaq, nisbat and even fatihaa.

Under guidances of present Kothari mullahs, bohras are becoming dangerously hypocrites inwardly and outwardly, there is lack of compassion for own brethren as well as for outsiders. Like masters like followers, bohras have become abdes. Sadaka, nazar mukaam, kaffarat all acts of individual charity is now channeled to kothar. Bohras are deprived of the psychological benefits of helping someone , this deprivation is making bohras into insensitive, self+ kothar centered zombies.

There is a immense lack of basic etiquettes and compassion towards our very own in markaz and masjids and jamatkhanas.
Men and women are refused seating in ganged up thaals of friends and relatives.
Stealing footwears is an extreme inconvenience
Littering in masjids and markaz
Above are common misbehaviours of people, but the kothar that claims the superiority breeding, can take strict efforts to instill a sense of etiquettes similar to the takwa and aqeeda they have planted for donating monies to their coffers.

Changing the people’s misbehavior to compassionate etiquettes would be a real test of their walayat and not throwing cash bags. But does kothar want that ? they encourage hooligan behavior themselves. Shamefully they take pride in showing the madness as walwala, further encouraging such hooliganism.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:17 am

humanbeing wrote:
zinger wrote:There is a difference between an official sanction and an over-zealous aamil saying it.
This will never be made officially because even they know the wrath that can fall on them.
Which world you are in bro ! Kothari Amils and mullahs have time and again preached that Dai is the haqiqi kaba and kissing his photo has similar sawaab to that of kissing hajr-e-aswad. How more official can it get !

And an over zealous amil cannot utter such blasphemy without his master’s instructions. The haqiqi kaba theory is an official message spread by present Kothari clergy. Apart from regular bayaans, there was a special sabak session wherein the amil exclusively explained this haqiqi kaba theory. The explanation is fantastically blasphemous !
i completely agree. i personally find it extremely disturbing. but perhaps you did not understand what im saying. im not denying it. im admitting it happens. im just saying that they are smart enough to not declare it officially.

by official, i mean a written farman from kothar/badri mahal/saifee mahal/vazarat etc or whatever is the official office

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:20 am

WiththenameofAllah wrote:
zinger wrote:
There is a difference between an official sanction and an over-zealous aamil saying it.
This will never be made officially because even they know the wrath that can fall on them
SMSes and whatsapp messages and emails referring to Dai as Kaaba and all is fine because these are circulated internally but let them declare it officially and see what will happen then
Ok So if it is not official it is right and SMS the guider to the truth is not even willing to stop this shirk ? Take example of Mola Ali (A.S) what was his role to guide people to Allah to develop taqwa. If you say these sms and messages as they are not official but still correct then the people sending these should be outcast.

Yes, i agree it is completely wrong and even more unfortunate that no one is doing a damn about it...
zinger wrote: This is an outright and blatant lie. the pics can be in the halls or other areas that are outside/above/besides/under the main Masjid area but not in it. like the hall for instance.
Ok no pics of SMS i agree too in masjids but what about videos of SMS . I have spent some time in a masjid in Pakistan where SMS video was on projectors and people will pray nicely in front of it.
No body prays in front of the screen. maybe one or 2 people might be completing some namaz but that does not mean that they are praying namaz. if the entire jamat does it, then tell me. but maybe they are completing sunnat namaz, who knows. best not to cast stones unless you are completely blameless. remember what Christ said

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:27 am

humanbeing wrote:
zinger wrote: also, i have often seen people saying how the masjid has pictures of the Dai.This is an outright and blatant lie. the pics can be in the halls or other areas that are outside/above/besides/under the main Masjid area but not in it. like the hall for instance.
Correct, masjids cannot have anyone’s pictures. Also there are several other rules that kothar violates :

Masjids have a video projection screen mounted before Qiblaah, so when A/V are relayed, people are sitting on masala or otherwise facing the Qiblah and going all emotionally spiritual raising their Namaste palms in devotion, respect, love or worship whatever you want to call it.

Particularly in Kuwait Markaz, there are many video projections screens, where they have kept SMS photo as a screen saver, you get the drift, photo frames are replaced with digital projections.

Disagree. before the namaz, atleast in our jamat, the screen is rolled up so that one is looking only at the kibla nothing else. and if the screen cannot be rolled up, then the projector goes blank so nothing is telecast. sometimes, the immamat prayer of whichever masjid the AV was about is kept on. nothing wrong in that im sure



Any place where namaaz is offered regularly is similar as masjid. Therefore it must not hold any particular pictures.

Agree. but no one prays in the halls, the passages etc. so... understand what im saying.


Many markaz, serves meals at the place where namaaz is performed, in my information, this is also not allowed as per Islamic understanding. Common sense also says, food and drink shall not be served, we have seen many fist fights and disappointments over spilled “chai” on white masalllahs and bhaari ridaas ! people are also ill mannered and leave the rubbish and left overs at the same place where they are praying such as date seeds, tea cups, wrappers, water bottles.

that is possible because a markaz does not have enough space. if it had a large enough space then a masjid could be built there.
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Sorry for diversion of topic here :
What I wish to convey is ; All these bravado and sense of superiority of being better muslims than others is a farce. Kothar does not prioritize instilling etiquettes as similar to that of collecting funds or force submission (kadambosi). Few years back there was a militant style enforcement of beard and topi by Kothari amils, mullahs and sheikhs. Ridiculing people in public and creating ruckus in nikaahs, misaaq, nisbat and even fatihaa.

agreed. it is a sad state of affair. learn to be a better human being, then a muslim, then a shia, then a fatimid shia and then a dawoodi bohra

Under guidances of present Kothari mullahs, bohras are becoming dangerously hypocrites inwardly and outwardly, there is lack of compassion for own brethren as well as for outsiders. Like masters like followers, bohras have become abdes. Sadaka, nazar mukaam, kaffarat all acts of individual charity is now channeled to kothar. Bohras are deprived of the psychological benefits of helping someone , this deprivation is making bohras into insensitive, self+ kothar centered zombies.

There is a immense lack of basic etiquettes and compassion towards our very own in markaz and masjids and jamatkhanas.
Men and women are refused seating in ganged up thaals of friends and relatives.
Stealing footwears is an extreme inconvenience
Littering in masjids and markaz
Above are common misbehaviours of people, but the kothar that claims the superiority breeding, can take strict efforts to instill a sense of etiquettes similar to the takwa and aqeeda they have planted for donating monies to their coffers.

Changing the people’s misbehavior to compassionate etiquettes would be a real test of their walayat and not throwing cash bags. But does kothar want that ? they encourage hooligan behavior themselves. Shamefully they take pride in showing the madness as walwala, further encouraging such hooliganism.

humanbeing
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:27 am

zinger wrote: by official, i mean a written farman from kothar/badri mahal/saifee mahal/vazarat etc or whatever is the official office
Kothar never provides written preachings to anyone other than their authorized agents, which are AMILS. However I believe that, this theory of Haqiqi Kabaa was quiet popular few months ago and there were several sessions and majlises where AMILS emphasized on this theory to a point that it get settled in minds of the abdes.

There are Risala-Shareef, Irshadaat or Farman from vazaratus saifiyaah which are printed documents sent to these AMILS and they narrate it to general public. Sometime they are circulated amongst public to kiss the document and return it to AMILS.

Kothar is not foolish to let those documents out in public. However this haqiqi kaba theory is official from Dai’s office.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by alam » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:09 pm

humanbeing wrote: . However this haqiqi kaba theory is official from Dai’s office.
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Be it known that misaals from Dawat-e-Hadiya to jamaats worldwide were conceived, written, edited and mulled over by miscreants working under guise of khidmat under Burhanuddin Maula's reign. . . rarely did Aqa Maula himself mull over and dictate text of misaal sharifa.

when you say something is Official from Dai's Office - be aware that Dai's office was hijacked by self-interest from a small group of bullys and big wigs in the likes of Kalimuddin sahib, Hakimuddin Saheb and BJ Mudreka, etc etc., starting 20-30 years ago. USed to be they couldn't and wouldn't manipulate Abbasbhai sahib and Shabbirbhai sahib until after wafaat. Now they are under siege, like the rest of Saifee mahal and badri mahal who are fearful of their lives and families if they dare to question SMS. If you think the regular mumin is under pressure from kothar,, you are clueless about the reality. Even the word "Kothar" these days is meaningless, because there really is no "one" color in Kothar... there are many colors and hues.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:50 pm

alam wrote: Be it known that misaals from Dawat-e-Hadiya to jamaats worldwide were conceived, written, edited and mulled over by miscreants working under guise of khidmat under Burhanuddin Maula's reign. . . rarely did Aqa Maula himself mull over and dictate text of misaal sharifa.

when you say something is Official from Dai's Office - be aware that Dai's office was hijacked by self-interest from a small group of bullys and big wigs in the likes of Kalimuddin sahib, Hakimuddin Saheb and BJ Mudreka, etc etc., starting 20-30 years ago. USed to be they couldn't and wouldn't manipulate Abbasbhai sahib and Shabbirbhai sahib until after wafaat. Now they are under siege, like the rest of Saifee mahal and badri mahal who are fearful of their lives and families if they dare to question SMS. If you think the regular mumin is under pressure from kothar,, you are clueless about the reality. Even the word "Kothar" these days is meaningless, because there really is no "one" color in Kothar... there are many colors and hues.
I agree. Let's not make all of this black and white. There's a lot of grey here.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:35 pm

PANORAMIC VIEW OF BOHRA THAALS

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by level_headed » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:12 pm

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:03 pm

level_headed wrote:deleted
That's what has happened to the brain of qaid the laanat proclaimer! :lol:

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by alam » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:14 pm

In the name of Kothar, everyone gets lumped into one category from the POV of the ills that face the dawoodi bohra community. It is time for people to openly stay in touch with the ground reality in today's changing world and go beyond what is immediately perceptible, to connecting the dots, becoming a keener observer of human behavior surrounding them, and to question and not take things at face value. There is simply no way that in today's ground reality there is ONE "Kothar" - there is way too much complexity and turmoil in the "home of Kothar" itself. There is unease and tension and turmoil within, and people within the inner echelons are trying to figure out how to destroy the evil empire they find themselves in. They realize that they can sell their skills, their loyalty but at the end of the day, they can't sell their soul to something their conscience can't agree with. There are a more than a handful of KOTHARIs who are looking at their khidmat (aka employment) in a completely different light.
I am simply asking forum writers to become sensitized to the issue that there are many in Kothar who don't see eye to eye with SMS policy, philosophy and tactics, and that there are many different facets to Kothar than is readily comprehensible to the innocent bystander. when in doubt or in trouble, they invoke the power and authority of al-vazaarat, but at the end of the day, they find themselves grappling with the same soul-searching of distinguishing between right from wrong, truth vs falsehood, greed vs compassion.
There is no need to rejoice either, because as I said before, their hands are tied in chains that are far tighter and firmer in its clasp than on the ordinary citizens of this nation of Bohrahood.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:48 pm

alam wrote:In the name of Kothar, everyone gets lumped into one category from the POV of the ills that face the dawoodi bohra community. It is time for people to openly stay in touch with the ground reality in today's changing world and go beyond what is immediately perceptible, to connecting the dots, becoming a keener observer of human behavior surrounding them, and to question and not take things at face value. There is simply no way that in today's ground reality there is ONE "Kothar" - there is way too much complexity and turmoil in the "home of Kothar" itself. There is unease and tension and turmoil within, and people within the inner echelons are trying to figure out how to destroy the evil empire they find themselves in. They realize that they can sell their skills, their loyalty but at the end of the day, they can't sell their soul to something their conscience can't agree with. There are a more than a handful of KOTHARIs who are looking at their khidmat (aka employment) in a completely different light.
I am simply asking forum writers to become sensitized to the issue that there are many in Kothar who don't see eye to eye with SMS policy, philosophy and tactics, and that there are many different facets to Kothar than is readily comprehensible to the innocent bystander. when in doubt or in trouble, they invoke the power and authority of al-vazaarat, but at the end of the day, they find themselves grappling with the same soul-searching of distinguishing between right from wrong, truth vs falsehood, greed vs compassion.
There is no need to rejoice either, because as I said before, their hands are tied in chains that are far tighter and firmer in its clasp than on the ordinary citizens of this nation of Bohrahood.
very well said. and it not just the kothar, its all of us

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:36 pm

level_headed wrote:deleted
that's what needs to be done to muffu

WiththenameofAllah
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:33 am

zinger wrote: No body prays in front of the screen. maybe one or 2 people might be completing some namaz but that does not mean that they are praying namaz. if the entire jamat does it, then tell me. but maybe they are completing sunnat namaz, who knows. best not to cast stones unless you are completely blameless. remember what Christ said


It happens in developing countries but not in Dubai as here rules are very strict and there is a shurta in the masjid keeping an eye on all the activities.Other things like the books of duas that have pictures of mola on the cover page are also in front of women when they are praying , is not mola considered a na mehram to women? How about praising Mola in the masjids and haath jor k kaharay hojana.. These are some v basic things that we all see each day in the masjid the change can only happen if we start noticing these things how much they are against the principles of Tawheed.

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ASHARA ANOUNCEMENT - USA

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:37 am

In Bakersfield, California, USA – Shehzada Taher bhaisaheb will deliver Ashara Mumbaraka waaz with the raza and Doa of Syedna Qutbuddin TUS. Mumineen in North America are urged to partake the barakaat of ‘ilm of Aale Mohammed and the remembrance and Noha of Imam Husain SA.

From fd website.
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SYEDNA MESSAGE OF CONGRATULATION & DOA: Indian Mars Mission

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:38 am

SYEDNA TUS MESSAGE OF CONGRATULATION & DOA: Indian Mars Mission

indian mars missionSyedna Qutbuddin TUS congratulates the Indian nation on the successful entry into orbit of “Mangalayaan” (Mars Orbiter Mission). On 24th September 2014, it was sent into orbit around Mars by the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO). It is a proud moment for all Indians that our nation is the first nation to successfully insert a satellite into orbit in the very first attempt.

Mankind’s journey to space is a testament to the power of the Human Intellect. The exploration and discovery of the intricacies of space and planets is cause for us to pause and meditate on the power and omnipotence of our Creator and our purpose in life. It is an occasion to draw us to God. As the 51st Dai stated in his qasida:

Syedna Qutbuddin TUS prays for the success of the mission and for further advancement of our Nation in all fields.

http://fatemidawat.com/instructions/

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:04 am

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:04 am

Do not pay brother , trust Allah your daughters will get married and you will also live peacefully i this temporary world. Ameen

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:19 pm

bohrabhai wrote:
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Disgusting. I would switch to Syedna Qutbuddin TUS.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:51 am

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/azizpoonaw ... -responds/

found this blog written by an abde.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by abad 65 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:10 am

I shabbir and Eliza jaroli, residing inside the roza of moulai Adam shaheb. We have been a victim of cruelty of shaikh aunnali and since past one and half year we are deprived of basic facilities like light in order to torture us to leave our house. Since 22-9-2014 our water supply has also be disconnected. We are living here since last 50 years and we are serving as mujawar in rozat of moulai Adam shaheb. In 2002 due to communal riots we had been terminated from our job. And this is what we gain for the services rendered by us for so many years??
Now they want us to evacuate the house without any alternative of it?
Where shall we go?
Whom to ask for help?
Who will give us shelter?
Also we are fighting it legally but we have least hope of getting justice for now
I request you to convey this message as much as possible so that we can get some favourable action in favour of us. And in hope that it becomes and eye opener message against the wrong operations of DPT.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by dawedaar » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:50 pm

u nailed it! can't phrase it any better!
humanbeing wrote: Sorry for diversion of topic here :
What I wish to convey is ; All these bravado and sense of superiority of being better muslims than others is a farce. Kothar does not prioritize instilling etiquettes as similar to that of collecting funds or force submission (kadambosi). Few years back there was a militant style enforcement of beard and topi by Kothari amils, mullahs and sheikhs. Ridiculing people in public and creating ruckus in nikaahs, misaaq, nisbat and even fatihaa.

Under guidances of present Kothari mullahs, bohras are becoming dangerously hypocrites inwardly and outwardly, there is lack of compassion for own brethren as well as for outsiders. Like masters like followers, bohras have become abdes. Sadaka, nazar mukaam, kaffarat all acts of individual charity is now channeled to kothar. Bohras are deprived of the psychological benefits of helping someone , this deprivation is making bohras into insensitive, self+ kothar centered zombies.

There is a immense lack of basic etiquettes and compassion towards our very own in markaz and masjids and jamatkhanas.
Men and women are refused seating in ganged up thaals of friends and relatives.
Stealing footwears is an extreme inconvenience
Littering in masjids and markaz
Above are common misbehaviours of people, but the kothar that claims the superiority breeding, can take strict efforts to instill a sense of etiquettes similar to the takwa and aqeeda they have planted for donating monies to their coffers.

Changing the people’s misbehavior to compassionate etiquettes would be a real test of their walayat and not throwing cash bags. But does kothar want that ? they encourage hooligan behavior themselves. Shamefully they take pride in showing the madness as walwala, further encouraging such hooliganism.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:39 pm

Forwarded as received :

URGENT for all Jamat Committee members (Please pass to all of them)

When vayez is held in the afternoon and/or evening in Hong Kong and other European and American countries to facilitate the mumins there, why cant the same be held in the evening in the Indo sub continent ?

Is it that people in our country are less important, uneducated, useless and unemployed that they are being forced to leave their jobs, have offices closed and force children to take leave from schools and attend vayez ?

Cant we change the timing of vayez ? Why is it so sacred that vayez must be done in the morning ? Is it mentioned in Al Quran in whom we all believe ?

Imagine the benefits it will bring to the entire community. Hope this appeal will not be taken otherwise.

Alihussain from Bangladesh.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by chocoman » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:11 pm

Bro GM, I hope you're doing well, I just want to know from where did you get this message, induced by Ali Hussain uncle. I know him very well although he doesn't know me at all, since I live in a different country.

This man is a bonafide business man, his mammoth influence amongst the bohras and even amongst the government official in its own country of Bangladesh, has made look up to him as a role model. Ali Hussain uncle has helped countless bohras. I have seen him couple of times when he's come down to Pakistan, I have over heard people talk about his shrewdness but to me the man is an absolute gem. He is one of the reason that makes me proud to be a dawoodi bohras.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:32 pm

chocoman wrote:Bro GM, I hope you're doing well, I just want to know from where did you get this message, induced by Ali Hussain uncle. I know him very well although he doesn't know me at all, since I live in a different country.
Bro chocoman,

I seriously don't know this gentleman and the subject message was sent to me by a friend in Mumbai who obviously must have got it from someone else, you pretty well know how these messages go viral.

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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:03 am

LOL on this whatsapp message literally it not SMS at times at fault but the abdes...


Name of mufaddal moula


M. Mansoos of Mohammed
U. Ummat na chalavnar
F. Faiz na denar
A. Anwar ne jari na karnar
D. Dai ul mutlak
D. Dawoodi kom na rehber
A. Aali Qadr
L. Lailatul Qadr na maulud

Mufaddal. Maula zindabad
Delete mat karna.

YA ALLAH
YA REHMAN
YA RAHEEM
Ye sms 6 logo ko zarur send krna. 1 ghante me Apko 1 achi khabar milegi.
Ye baat 100% sahi hai.

think
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by think » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:39 am

Mr.Ali Hussain from Bangla Desh; your point is very well taken and does need an appropriate response.
There is no hard and fast rule for gham and bukaa of Imam Hussain and no time set either.
I think people all over the world are smart and intelligent if given the resources and understanding. today there are scientists and philosophers in India , Pakistan and other underdeveloped countries also. so your point that vaez is held during the morning hours because people are ignorant or jobless does not stand to reason. the shia majlises are held even in the evenings in Karachi and other places. It is mostly dependant on the local community and if the majority can attend at a certain time. If there is not enough participation from the public during the morning hours and the local amil finds he is speaking to the four walls then time will change. It is upto the local community participation and not on the convenience or should I say it the whims and fancies of the local amil. This so called royal is less than ordinary. but since the ignorant give them the power they will abuse.
just to give you an example. A zada in houston always came late during ramadaan for evening prayers and made people wait even after maghrib to break the fast. People spoke. They did not care whether he showed up late for prayers. azaan for maghrib was given on time and fasts were ended on time regardless whether this zada showed up or not. It is upto you and the local community.
jusat as a note. one does not need a special time of the day to remember the sacrifices of the grandson of the holy prophet m.p.b.u.h.

truth seeker100
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by truth seeker100 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:09 pm

Gr8 Moments for mumineen worldwide. PM Modi mentioned Bohra Samaj's financial wisdom in his speech, while addressing d NRIs n Indian Americans at Medison Square Garden event. Also, our mumineen in the USA were allotted separate block and attended in iur traditional attire of Saya Kurta Topi. It was an honour indeed, no doubt due to our beloved AqaMoula tus. Long Live Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin Aqa.
PM Modi mentioned n gestured towards where Momeneen were sitting when ye talked abt Loans n how Money lenders loot poor ppl
He Said "ye mere Bohra Samaaj k bhai bakhoobi jante hai"
Hinting towards Interest free Loans "Qardan Hasana"

WiththenameofAllah
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Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

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Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:17 pm

What is it ? Cant understand much gujrati ? Now there will be dress codes for mohram ?