Are Bohras safe in Pakistan?

[incredible]

for most bohra these days, wordly sucess is the only success, and this rolce roys of syena is like proof for them, that they all are jannati...

bohra would abuse and throw stone on Imam ALI(s) if he would come today and claim of being true IMAM OF TIME.

[JC]

Very correct Incredible!! The current Kothar had NEVER been with Imam Ali and his sons. They have just USED them so how can they tolerate them?? They are ALL what Imam Ali and his sons were NOT.

[ghulam muhammed]

Maulana Abul Kalam Azad: The Man Who Knew The Future Of Pakistan Before Its Creation

Congress president Maulana Abul Kalam Azad gave the following interview to journalist Shorish Kashmiri for a Lahore based Urdu magazine, Chattan, in April 1946. It was a time when the Cabinet Mission was holding its proceedings in Delhi and Simla. Azad made some startling predictions during the course of the interview, saying that religious conflict would tear apart Pakistan and its eastern half would carve out its own future. He even said that Pakistan’s incompetent rulers might pave the way for military rule.

According to Shorish Kashmiri, Azad had earmarked the early hours of the morning for him and the interview was conducted over a period of two weeks. This interview has not been published in any book so far — neither in the Azad centenary volumes nor in any other book comprising his writing or speeches — except for Kashmiri’s own book Abul Kalam Azad, which was printed only once by Matbooat Chattan Lahore, a now-defunct publishing house. Former Union Cabinet Minister Arif Mohammed Khan discovered the book after searching for many years and translated the interview for COVERT

http://www.newageislam.com/articledetails.aspx?ID=2139

[ghulam muhammed]

Young, educated and dangerous

An analysis of 900 biographies of Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives killed between 1989 and 2008 chips at the argument that youngsters in Pakistan take to terrorism out of poverty and deprivation alone

The recent analysis of 900 biographies of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) operatives killed between 1989 and 2008, thus, fits the pattern that has been established though the powers that be in Pakistan seemingly refuse to read the writing on the wall. The LeT cadres were found to be well-educated compared to Pakistani men, and the bulk of the recruitment was from Punjab.

They are picked young with 90 per cent of the militants joining the LeT before they turned 22. The youngest recruit this study threw up was 11, the oldest, 30. The mean age when a recruit joins LeT is 16.95 years and the militants’ median age at the time of death is 21. Among the 900 biographies, the youngest age at which a militant died was 14. While this analysis shows that some of the best educated men of Pakistan were sent to Indian Kashmir to die, it challenges the perception that they are all products of religious education offered through the madrassas. Religious education in all likelihood supplemented non-religious education rather than the former serving as a substitute for the latter. The amount of time fighters spent at a madrassa was less than three years on average. Fewer than five per cent of fighters had attained a sanad (a formal certificate signifying completion of a defined religious curriculum).

“While certainly not the norm, at least 18 biographies in our data set describe connections between LeT fighters and immediate family members (i.e. fathers or brothers) who are currently serving or had served in Pakistan’s army or air force. In several of these cases, the militant’s father had fought with the Pakistani Army in the 1965 war in Kashmir and/or during the conflict in 1971 over the status of then East Pakistan. In one case a militant’s father was described as a senior officer in the Pakistan army.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/y ... 599089.ece

[rang]

on Tuesday the 13th of April 2013 a young Bohra Bhai ( Around 28 years) and a professional Chartered Account by the name of Ali Asghar Khambat wala S/o Shoaib Bhai Khambat Wala Resident of Barkat e Haydari Karachi was shot in the Stomach. The Bullet Pierced his Liver and now he is strugging for life in ICU at Agha Khan Hospital. SMS FOR DUA HAS BEEN CIRCULATED ALL OVER THE CITY.

[ghulam muhammed]

on Tuesday the 13th of April 2013 a young Bohra Bhai ( Around 28 years) and a professional Chartered Account by the name of Ali Asghar Khambat wala S/o Shoaib Bhai Khambat Wala Resident of Barkat e Haydari Karachi was shot in the Stomach. The Bullet Pierced his Liver and now he is strugging for life in ICU at Agha Khan Hospital. SMS FOR DUA HAS BEEN CIRCULATED ALL OVER THE CITY.

Is there a mention of it in ANY of the kothar sponsored websites ??? Dua for Shifa-e-kulli for the Dai appears everyday on these sites but what about dua for the ones who die at the hands of some hardcore fundamentalists.

[Al Zulfiqar]

SMS FOR DUA HAS BEEN CIRCULATED ALL OVER THE CITY.

mola ni dua chhe...

[rang]

Just when I was writing in this Forum, Ali Asghar fought for his last Breath and expired at 5:00 PM. Every eyes wept at the funeral. Married just 18 months Back . No consolation from Jamat or Kothar up till writing. Now Bohra must understand their Destiny and faith is in Allah's Hand. Their is no one other then Allah who is merciful and beneficent.

[Saiyaad]

Just when I was writing in this Forum, Ali Asghar fought for his last Breath and expired at 5:00 PM. Every eyes wept at the funeral. Married just 18 months Back . No consolation from Jamat or Kothar up till writing. Now Bohra must understand their Destiny and faith is in Allah's Hand. Their is no one other then Allah who is merciful and beneficent.

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

[think]

the reason of him breathing is because of shifa e kulli, stop asking allah for shifa e kulli and let the natural turn of events continue. you will see this meek skin and bones will reside in a more comfortable place.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Just when I was writing in this Forum, Ali Asghar fought for his last Breath and expired at 5:00 PM. Every eyes wept at the funeral. Married just 18 months Back . No consolation from Jamat or Kothar up till writing. Now Bohra must understand their Destiny and faith is in Allah's Hand. Their is no one other then Allah who is merciful and beneficent.

inna lillahe wa inna ilaihe rajeun

may allah provide strength, courage and solace to his family and grant him eternal peace, peace which passeth all human understanding.

[ghulam muhammed]

Just when I was writing in this Forum, Ali Asghar fought for his last Breath and expired at 5:00 PM. Every eyes wept at the funeral. Married just 18 months Back .

A very sad incident indeed. One can imagine the plight of his parents who have lost their son who was just in his youth and the wife who was married to him just 18 months back.

May Allah (swt) give courage to his family to overcome this tragedy. May his soul rest in peace. Ameen !

[seeker110]

There are so many young women in iddat now a days its such a calamity.

[think]

what ever happened to shifa kulli and mojizas of muffi. Nothing absoloutly nothing. It is about time the ignorant bohris came to their senses and realized that muffi is not to be trusted. He is running has dad's business. Any one with money is his friend and the sooner he can get the ignorant bohris money in his pocket the sooner he can target another. He has nothing to do with the bohris religion because this religion has already gone to the dogs. Muffi is a business man and should be treated as such. keep a far distanceaway from his goonda henchmen also.

[Reporter]

No country for Shias
Aakar Patel July 31, 2013
First Published: 00:38 IST(31/7/2013) | Last Updated: 00:40 IST(31/7/2013)

Attacks against the Shias of Pakistan are now so frequent and so normal that they are seen in run rate terms.
Last Friday, after 57 Shias were murdered by two suicide bombers near Peshawar , the police told a New York Times reporter that “it’s like Ricky Ponting playing cricket.”
There has been an attack by the Taliban every day for the past five months in the frontier province, the report said. The militants have also gone after the army and the government, but local Shias remain a special target.
In Balochistan, Shias have been hunted down with such frequency that their killing does not even make it to the front pages. I have been writing columns in Pakistani papers for years, and I have noticed the casual manner in which these deaths are reported. Often, they involve the stopping of buses and the execution one after the other of all Shia passengers. These Baloch Shias are easy to identify because they are Hazaras, a community with Mongol ancestry.
In January, more than 120 of them were killed after a suicide bomber detonated himself in a snooker hall in Quetta . Cruelly, a bomb was then set off in an ambulance to also go after the rescuers.
In Pakistan ’s largest city Karachi , a bomb killed 48 Shias in March. The targeting of the community is possible because it has separate mosques and unique religious processions. There is also segregation of Shias in Pakistani cities, just as Muslims live apart in India , and this has always been so.
For a few years now, however, the demand has been that the Shias be apostatised. Mohd Fayyaz, a candidate in this year’s election from Karachi told the BBC: “We don’t want to murder Shias. We want them to be declared non-Muslim in the National Assembly. That is what we’re working towards.”
Why are the Shias of Pakistan so hated? One reason has to do with Pakistan ’s use of militias against India and in Afghanistan . The Lashkar-e-Taiba is part of the Ahl-e-Hadith, a group Fayyaz is part of. In Balochistan and southern Punjab the Shia killers are from the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, drawn from the same cadre as the Jaish-e-Mohammad.
The promotion of these groups by the State has meant that their ideology has also come to be seen as acceptable. And so the army and ISI are to blame.
The other reason, the main one, is actually the fault of politicians. Pakistani law emphasises religious and sectarian division. This can be directly attributed to Jinnah’s politics, and the actions of his lieutenants.
Pakistan’s constitution discriminates against Hindus, Sikhs and Christians, who are banned from holding high office. In the 1960s, President Ayub Khan wrote the law that barred non-Muslims from becoming president.
After him, in the 1970s, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto banned non-Muslims from becoming prime minister. Bhutto also constitutionally apostatised the Ahmedis, who are forbidden religious freedom.
And then, under President Zia-ul-Haq, came the turn of the Shias. This was done in 1980 through altering the penal code. A law was introduced that criminalised anything said against ‘any of the righteous caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaaba) of the Holy Prophet description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both’.
Now the Shia belief is that the only rightful successor to the prophet was his son-in-law Ali. They consider the other caliphs not righteous, as the law demands they do, but as usurpers. And so the introduction of this law made the practise of Shia doctrine a crime.
When the state itself discriminates in this manner, it is not surprising that society has gone the way it has. The constant emphasis on inclusion, which India ’s founding fathers wisely stressed, has no parallel in Pakistan .
The ideological state insists on purity, and it should not surprise us that the state in Pakistan has begun to eat its own. The remarkable thing is that Jinnah, himself a Shia, did not know this and believed, or at least maintained, that Pakistan would be a pluralist society despite its founding along communal lines.
Today it is no longer accepted in Pakistan that he even thought this. A famous speech he made four days before Partition assuring all Pakistanis equality is lost and there is no audio record of it.
Six months after Jinnah’s death, his picked successors took the logic of Partition ahead and declared that ‘sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone’.
They promised democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, but ‘as enunciated by Islam’. Minorities were given ‘adequate provision’ to ‘freely profess and practise their religions’. Zia arbitrarily removed the word ‘freely’ and its status in the constitution is now uncertain.
Today, Pakistan is the most violent place on earth and the victims of the terrorist violence in it are Muslims. The violence has become normalised and its levels and frequency no longer draw out any change in thinking, or any real alarm, in the government, civil society or the media.
Pakistanis often write that despite the predictions of doom, their nation is surviving. They are wrong to anticipate it as a big event. The collapse of the Pakistani state is happening not with a bang, unless it is the bang of the suicide bomber. It is coming with a slow, boring repetition.
Aakar Patel is a former Gujarati newspaper editor and a columnist for Mint
The views expressed by the author are personal.

[ghulam muhammed]

The Jamaat is presenting some object made of gold to Mansoos on his PR yatra to Rawalpindi. Also a bohra guy seen in the background and standing on the dias is dressed in black pathani suit and not the traditional saya/kurta and is also clean shaved :-

[img]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/530/sq6q.jpg[/img]

[think]

The guy in the black suit has a lot of money. It does not matter if he does not have a dadhi or if he does not have a qoumi libaas of saaya qurta . He could very well be there without a topi also. The way the topi is resting on his head ,it appears he does not wear a topi on a regular basis also. My guess is , he may be a bohri married to a punjabi as there are a bunch of them like that in Pindi.

[jamanpasand]

His name is Saleem Mandviwala. He is a buddy of Asif Ali Zardari.

[think]

is it a big secret about the character of zardari. as I said , for the kothar, money talks and bullshit walks.

[think]

he probably played a big role in the hosting of mansoos and his entourage in pindi including most important the sfety and security.

[ghulam muhammed]

His name is Saleem Mandviwala. He is a buddy of Asif Ali Zardari.

If friends of corrupt leaders can do away with the self imposed Kothari libas and wear pathani suits and be clean shaved then don't be surprised if you see an abde in Surat wearing a Gandhi cap and half sleeve khadi kurta and sharing the dias with Mansoos as his only qualification could be that he is the buddy of the butcher of muslims, Narendra Modi !!

[think]

There has to be some secret deal between saleem mandviwala and mansoos. you rub my back I rub yours.
I am certain, saleem mandviwala being a shrewd bussinessman cannot be brainwashed into thinking that mansoos will hold his hand and take him to jannat. tranfer of moolah and black and white may have played a role also.

[think]

if this is the mandviwalla of mandviwalla motors then i know his mamma aint raised no fools.

[JC]

Dawat Nee Haree Bharee Vadi ma bhee bohra SAFE nathi ....

[ghulam muhammed]

The price of our soul?

Without having an exit strategy in place to undo its consequences, we sold Islam to the gullible and innocent people of Pakistan

Everything is on sale in Pakistan. Human beings and their souls, their bodies, their loyalties, their honesty, their commitments, their professionalism, their ideas and even their faith has a price. The only prerequisite to get a good deal is the amount of dough that one is willing to put in, more the dough better are the results. Lately, this phenomenon of selling our principles and fidelity at a fair price — which in all likelihood is our national heritage — has received worldwide recognition and appreciation. Even the Americans, who we love to hate, could not ignore it anymore and have started acknowledging our talent publicly. After all, they have decades long business relationship with us, and one day or another they had to figure out the reality themselves. Nowadays, some of them say: “Pakistanis can sell their mothers for a few thousand dollars.” I wish it was untrue, but unfortunately, it is a hard allegation to vindicate when we have put our domestic and foreign policies on sale on multiple occasions.

Among all the commodities on display, religion, for all its sensitivities and passions by far has the best prospects to attract the customers. Moreover, we have acquired a tremendous amount of experience in dealing with it both as an import from the Arab countries and as an export to Afghanistan, China, Iran and India. To be self sufficient, we also have learnt to process it in many of our madrassas, mosques and even in public schools for national consumption. As an ideology on sale, experience tells us that religion is highly potent, dangerously appealing and remarkably violent, a perfect combination to win any war. Nonetheless, it is too inflammable to maintain peace. If used imprudently by the state without taking strict cautionary measures, as we have done in the last 35 years, it can turn out to be the ‘femme fatale’ for the nation and wreak havoc in the basic framework of any modern society. This, in itself, can be the reason why many countries have refused to use it as a tool to promote patriotism.

After the invasion of Afghanistan, we, as a matter of policy, thought it was the only rhetoric that could unite our deeply fragmented nation to go into someone’s else’s war and still believe at the same time that it was their own. Without having an exit strategy in place to undo its consequences, we sold Islam to the gullible and innocent people of Pakistan. Heedlessly, we kept on sowing the seeds of a plant whose fruits were inevitably going to be poisonous. Ultimately, the poison grew all over our bodies and infected every organ as extremism, sectarianism, and fundamentalism. Retrospectively speaking, perhaps our problem was not as much going into the war against the Soviet Union as much as it was our lack of a comprehensive strategy on getting out of it once the ‘mission was accomplished.’

One decade was more than enough to bring a radical shift in the whole society. Religion, beyond the domain of politics crossing into the borders of public service, seeped into every aspect of our daily lives during that period. Ubiquitous and pervasive, we could increasingly find it in the shopping plazas, glamorised in the government offices, displayed in the restaurants and even publicised in the entertainment business. Slowly, it become an integral part of our thought process, a yardstick with which we would evaluate honesty, professionalism, talent, character and even personal integrity. There was no escape.

Somehow, the whole society was transformed and its values redefined. We discussed the piety of the ruler instead of the legitimacy of his tenure and instead of the public mandate we relied upon his religiosity. Ignoring every clause in our own unanimously approved constitution, we turned around and began to value personal virtues over national service. And questions like, if he offered prayers five times a day or more, if he fasted in Ramadan, if he woke up in the middle of night to supplicate, if he regularly paid Zakat in full (even if he missed to pay taxes) and if he went to perform pilgrimage (at the government’s expense) took over the national discourse instead of the right to rule and the importance of democratic process.

To make a long story short, in a matter of a few years, Islam became the most powerful tool to compensate for professional deficiencies, to overcome the lack of talent, and fulfil the absence of creativity. This culture still persists today and may actually be growing faster than we can imagine. For a journalist, a few verses of Quran can make him a distinguished scholar, an honest expert working only to please the Creator, a messenger of sufis who ‘rarely’ break their silence about the future of Pakistan and an insider who knows about the most ‘powerful’ living mystics in the world.

An incompetent retired military officer can become a well respected defence analyst with the knowledge of some Ahadees from Sahi Bokhari, a commander who can negotiate both with the hardliners and the west effectively. A bureaucrat with some knowledge of Islamic traditions and partial information about the life of Prophet can become a renowned historian. An architect can be qualified as a sufi if he knows some facts about some mystics; a cricketer can be transformed into a preacher; a singer can host an inspirational religious show if he grows a beard; a student of mysticism is promoted as the ‘Mehdi’ after he has spent few years in training with a man who thought could be a prophet; and an ‘Islamic’ show host can be on his way to become world famous Howey Mandel of Deal or no deal by acquiring some religiously motivated overtones.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... f2go.gmail

[ghulam muhammed]

After the terrorists dastardly act of bombing a church in north west Pakistan which killed over 78 people, a Pakistani citizen had posted the following on facebook :-

"To Al-Shabaab and the Pakistani attackers and indeed everyone and all others who have turned the blood of civilians into such a cheap commodity and whom we are so clearly cursed to have to know as co-religionists: the connection ends there.

You never touched anything except that you destroyed it, you never entered a legitimate cause except that you corrupted it, you never came across the sanctity of human life except that you violated it, and you never tried to act in the name of Islam except that you polluted it.

Allah, His Messenger and we the laity are free from your murder and your misguidance.

You thought you were doing Muslims a favour by examining them, letting them out if they passed your creed test and then slaughtering the remaining non-Muslims?!

Being the right colour, having the right surname, knowing the name of the Prophet's family members, being from the right sect and anything else from your pathetic understanding of Islam, might have been your sick way of making yourselves feel better before you started slaughtering innocent people, but it will not save you. Be sure of that. For indeed Allah does not like the Transgressors."