call a spade a spade

[think]

let us have the strength and conviction to clearly state that the bohri's are of shia faith.
let us not be like our leaders; curse the three khalifas and when life and limb is in danger we change statements. There is no substance in saying we are bohri's and we are not sunnis or shia's but a different religion headed by the dai and his prince and princesses and the staff of bhaisaheb's, amils, sheikhs and mullas . Let us stand and state forthright that we are shias and bohri is just a culture just like memons who are sunni's.

[Al Zulfiqar]

let us have the strength and conviction to clearly state that the bohri's are of shia faith.
let us not be like our leaders; curse the three khalifas and when life and limb is in danger we change statements. There is no substance in saying we are bohri's and we are not sunnis or shia's but a different religion headed by the dai and his prince and princesses and the staff of bhaisaheb's, amils, sheikhs and mullas . Let us stand and state forthright that we are shias and bohri is just a culture just like memons who are sunni's.

think,

did you 'think' over your statements before putting them down here? they make no sense. in fact when you ask for strength and moral conviction you contradict your dai and his establishment.

let us examine and analyse your posting. if the dai and his abdes have the strength and moral conviction to state their stance clearly it would go somewhat like this:

"we are dawoodi bohras and the true momeneen. although we 'claim' to be shias and muslims, we have no respect or affiliations with them by way of belief or practise. in fact we believe that they are all stupid and rabid dogs barking up the wrong tree and are destined for eternal hell-fire. we hold them in contempt and prevent our bohras from attending any shia vaez as we consider it useless, mischievous, and of no benefit. they have no knowledge of the quran and are worshipping an illusory kaaba. their religious authorities do not possess haq. our syedna is the only and real natiqe quran, haqiqi kaaba and haq na saheb."

if there is even an infinitesimal grain of honesty in the dai and his bohras, they should proclaim the above statement with all the strength at their command and with complete moral conviction. they should shout it from the rooftops and announce it through loudspeakers throughout muslim and shia localities all over the world, but esp. in india and pakistan and then be ready to face the consequences, come what may.

what i have written is only of the truth. ask any bohra about sunnis - he will wrinkle his nose in disgust at their mention. ask any bohra about other shias - he will say that they have no common-sense or a wise leader to guide them as they are misguided. don't we proudly claim that we are the only ones guaranteed jannat? then why not say it out loudly with "strength and conviction to clearly state it" ??

[pheonix]

don't we proudly claim that we are the only ones guaranteed jannat? then why not say it out loudly with "strength and conviction to clearly state it" ??

Because the crazy lunatics will kill us.
If they lay down weapons and are prepared to listen, then we will know how much pride and conviction(rational) we have in our beliefs.

[ghulam muhammed]

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
don't we proudly claim that we are the only ones guaranteed jannat? then why not say it out loudly with "strength and conviction to clearly state it" ??




Because the crazy lunatics will kill us.

If they lay down weapons and are prepared to listen, then we will know how much pride and conviction(rational) we have in our beliefs.

Mr.Asghar Ali Engineer and other well read reformists always wanted a public debate with the Dai or his represantative which they never got and needless to say that the reformists would never come with weapons, so lets make a beginning, first put your own house in order and then think about the wahabis and talibans !

[Humsafar]

That's a good point GM. We also want Pheonix's masters to "listen" to us about our "pride and conviction(rational) we have in our beliefs", but they always come to us with weapons. They have beaten us, molested us and even killed us. Now, it seems the tables have turned and see how he is gorvelling for "dialogue".

[think]

other than that most importantly they have butchered our belief system ,hurt our faith and emotionally disrupted our families, inciting father against son, wife against husband etc. and made non thinking vegetables of our children. moula moula ghanu jivo, mare skin na tamne shoes banvi do, maro time tamare saiva ma barbad kare do, mari family ne tamara slave banavi do, ane bija no haq looti ne tamne sona ne gaini api do and more and more attrocities.

[lawyer]

who am I?

ALLAH QURAAN MUHAMMED follower, and who ever is associated with MUHAMMED(s) have my respect and love.....




and if I am not wrong whole QURAAN teaches the same thing.....