Qutbi Bohras

[Grayson]

It might be true STS intended Mazoon to be the Dai. It might not.
It might be in writing. It might not. We can't know further on this matter unless it's actually touched upon by people concerned with it.
In this day in age, it falls upon the Syedna of the time to make the decision of Nuss.
Your reasoning isn't flawed; I'm inclined to agree with it.
But there's no assertion to these past claims.
It's the discrepancies of the present that's most concerning. Even if the past is an influence of it, Syedna is an individual entity that could've redirected this issue as he pleased.
Uncertainty of whether he presently intended for what's happening (or even knows about it) is my core issue, that I feel is shared by some others.
Yes, I'm willing to consider Syedna human. As well as the people around him.

[Sceptical]

Yes, I'm willing to consider Syedna human. As well as the people around him.

Like all men, he could not foresee that he would become aphasic ... It's sad but true.

Although Taher Saifuddin mullah would have wanted Syedi Kozema become the 53rd Dai, Mullah Burhanuddin is the one to decide the name of his successor as Dai-uz-zaman.

I don't understand why SMB mullah have waited so long to perform nuss on his Son and "created" this controversy.
God works in mysterious ways.

[aftabm]

How does it matter, even if Syedana knew what he is doing. He clearly didnt do appoint a successor till very late, because of political situation at hand. He would have surely known, if he had appointed any one, there would be in-fightings.

Even if, he had appointed some one else (for that matter, Mazoon), it would have not made any difference to general populace. The whole system has been corrupted and evolved, as cult.

[aftabm]

The Inside Story Revealed

They(the senior reformists) believe this hilarious and most childish rumour mill (and branding this as hilarious and childish is by the reformist themselves who know that this entire conspiracy theory is only a imaginative fantasy of some idiots) being circulated is actually doing harm to the reformist lobby by creating greater confusion within the rank and file of the reformist population who are worried about their own sense of belonging to the community, whereas the ordinary DBs have not even bothered to give a glance to this rumour-mongering.

Why would we (Reformist) be bothered and confused about this in-fighting (even if it is rumoured one). We really do not care about what goes inside your "holier-than-thou" Qasr -E-Aali. We would rather sit on fence and see this whole tamaasha of Nass-bandi.

[humanbeing]

Kothar knows how to make hay when confusion shines. Since the 100th birthday celebration; loot, ziyafats, hoobs, donation and various forms of taxation has increased and implemented strongly. One can feel the desperation in the Kothari thugs of collating monies with all hands out.

Those who claim that nass was clear and unambiguous are down right liar. There are clear and unambiguous points that are highlighted to show that nass event is fabricated and cannot hold valid proof of sucession. Just brushing the mess inside the carpet. Trying to convert a lie into a truth by blatant barking and shouting.

If kothar has integrity and honesty, they should make the nass video public as well text of misaak.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the ordinary DBs have not even bothered to give a glance to this rumour-mongering.

then why has your zarda (meetha chawal) quid johnny supplied the draft of a protest letter to all abde bohras to send to hindustan times and just sign their name at the bottom???! he is shouting himself hoarse from the rooftops while jumping up and down in a hysterical frenzy, his junglee beard and saaya flapping about in the wind..!!

you bloody liar and kotha pimp!

[Al Zulfiqar]

Lets have a poll who is lying and who is closer to the truth.

a perfect example of apocryphal logic and double entendre'.

so a liar will lie 'truthfully' on a poll, is it? will he still remain a liar? it's like asking who is a hypocrite to an audience. those who raise their hands and truthfully answer they are hypocrites, they are definitely NOT hypocrites!

pata nahi kahan kahan se aa jatey hai ghadey ke sardaar yahan...!!

[pheonix]

the ordinary DBs have not even bothered to give a glance to this rumour-mongering.

then why has your zarda (meetha chawal) quid johnny supplied the draft of a protest letter to all abde bohras to send to hindustan times and just sign their name at the bottom???! he is shouting himself hoarse from the rooftops while jumping up and down in a hysterical frenzy, his junglee beard and saaya flapping about in the wind..!!

you bloody liar and kotha pimp!

AZ, do you keep a beard?

[think]

thinking people do not worry about saya, kurta or beard. Just answer the question. It is only the small people like the bhaisahebs who want to get importance so they dictate. Know of one who dictated to the bride what she should wear for her wedding. He asked her to make sure she wore red colour otherwise no nikah. The girl had made a golden wedding dress not knowing that the bhaisaheb would want red. such is the happenings of the little guy hungry for iomportance.

[seeker110]

Bride would be glad to wear red, only if bhai saheb wears pink rida. If you throw a rock at saifee mahal it will definitely hit stupid. They all got their learning from Bolta Quran.

[Maqbool]

whereas the ordinary DBs have not even bothered to give a glance to this rumour-mongering.

You are liar. Go on this site http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 44475.aspx and observe how the bohras are giving threats to Mugda and Hindustan times. See their language which clearly shows how they are trained.

Use your brain at least when you cook some thing. You are trapped in it and will not be consumed by yourself.

[Al Zulfiqar]

AZ, do you keep a beard?

which size and type do you require? we keep them in different lengths from goatee's to trimmed, full face, from 6" upto 2 feet long, junglee-savage type, birds nest type, fu manchu type, alfonso albuquerque style, baba ramdev style, and in various colors from black, grey, salt & pepper, white, dark brown, mehendi, and also made to order.

we carry upto 500 beards at any given time in stock. please visit our 'abdesyedna deeni melabis' shop opposite raudat tahera, muffy building, first floor. we also carry all manner of bohra topi's, feta's, pagree's, readymade hijaars, kurta-saaya sets, ridhas, syedna's bayans and qasre aali majlis and rasme saifee cd's, pagla and istiqbal videos, lace, sequins, embroidery materials, namazi jodi's, full namaaz kits, tasbeehs, and huge variety of syedna photos with framing service.

we proudly count the majority of zaadi's and zaadas as our regular clients. we also provide home delivery and tailoring and complete fitting services for std's, beards and even deeni underwear. we can either sell or rent against deposit. many abdes use our rental services at the time of nikaah, darees, mayyat, khatna etc to obtain the perfect looking beard, feta, kalgee, sehra etc.

our motto is 'satisfaction' at most reasonable rates.

[Rising Star]

^ great this is fitted answer for stupid abde question.....

[S. Insaf]

Among the eight sons of Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb only his eldest son Qayed Johar Bhaisaheb Izzuddin and Malekul-Ashtar Bhaisaheb Shujauddin were known to the community. Though Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Saifuddin’s name was some what known to a section of the community as it had resounded in some incidents of internal disputes.
Syedna Saheb’s other sons Huzefa Bhaisaheb Mohiyuddin, Idrees Bhaisaheb Badruddin, Quse Bhaisaheb Vajihuddin and Ammar Bhaisaheb’s name were hardly known, they were at the most known as Amil or Sahebe-Dawat.
Like his father Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb, it was the duty of Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb to declare his successors at an early age and then train him and make him popular by keeping him in his association. Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb’s sons Mohammad Burhanuddin (son of Husena I-saheba), Esmail Bahsaheb Shihabuddin, (son of Vazira I-saheb), Yusuf Najmuddin, Qasim Hakimuddin (sons of Fatema I-saheba), Khuzema Qutbuddin, Husain Husamuddin, Hatim Hamiyuddin, Abbas Fakhruddin (sons of Amena I-saheba) were all very well known all over the community as they were timely projected by their father, Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb. Why he could not do so is best known to him. He never shared his seat either with his Mazoon or Mukasir.
Inspite of all this, Syedi Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, once declared as successor, should have been more careful in building his image as next Dai-ul-Mutlaq. But he was a product of so called “Royal family” that has by humiliation, torture, insult and threat made the entire community their slaves and brainwashed Bohras to make sure that they will accept whatever bullshit dished out to them. Syedi Mufaddal Bhaisaheb made a mistake in considering Bohras mere baboons. But he made fool of himself by narrating a fake story that he can talk to the persons who are dead, buried under and gone.
In general Bohras had no problem in having their meals at home. But he started a catering service of serving paid-Tiffin at home, which was going to be failure was foregone conclusion.
Again since the Bohras are convert of Hindu Brahmins cleanliness is in their genes. Keeping their locality or mohalla clean was possible when all the Bohras of a place used to live in one area. But in most of the towns and villages that is not the case today. Therefore the “Cleaning Campaign” was just for publicity. He should have run a Campaign for providing clean water and better sanitation facilities to Bohra houses.
Bohra community is the only community where in general people do not indulge in drugs and drinking. As far “Anti-addiction program” is concern all the TV challenges every day are conducting such programs.
The fact is that today so much corruption in our administrations and Jamats that no scheme can become successful.
Still Allah had given one more chance to Dai-in-waiting. He went to Karachi. On his reaching there number of Bohras died and injured in two bomb blasts. It was his duty to stay there and help them by spending some amount of money from his purse and using his influence with the Pakistan government. But he immediately fled from there leaving behind Bohras in pain, agony and fear.
Syedi Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should abolish Wajebat, Sabil and Raza systems if he really wants to do something fruitful for the community

[voice]

I don't understand why SMB mullah have waited so long to perform nuss on his Son and "created" this controversy. .[/i]

For all those who use there brain and are not blind,
every body has the same question in mind.
The reason is not so hard to find,
these are part of tactics of different kind,
Qutbi Bohra sect has now opened its fronts,
and for there rights now they are not lagging behind.

[think]

Is this not proof beyond doubt that the 52nd and his entire family is staying at saifee hospital while mazoom has occupied saifee mahal. Even the kitchens of saifee hospital are cooking labraiz pakwaan for the family instead of food for the sick.

[think]

you are asking the impossible from muffi. I have seen and studied him for quite some time. He is a Joker. He is a little guy that needs his toys and there are many a brainwashed abdes that are happy to oblige.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Syedi Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should abolish Wajebat, Sabil and Raza systems

if he does that he will abolish himself and his evil, ayyash, parasitic family...!!!

[think]

zulfi ,you forgot the most imporatnat and free for kother which is the phook. it is sold packed in fancy dabbas also in bhindi bazaar.

[pheonix]

AZ, do you keep a beard?

which size and type do you require? we keep them in different lengths from goatee's to trimmed, full face, from 6" upto 2 feet long, junglee-savage type, birds nest type, fu manchu type, alfonso albuquerque style, baba ramdev style, and in various colors from black, grey, salt & pepper, white, dark brown, mehendi, and also made to order.

we carry upto 500 beards at any given time in stock. please visit our 'abdesyedna deeni melabis' shop opposite raudat tahera, muffy building, first floor. we also carry all manner of bohra topi's, feta's, pagree's, readymade hijaars, kurta-saaya sets, ridhas, syedna's bayans and qasre aali majlis and rasme saifee cd's, pagla and istiqbal videos, lace, sequins, embroidery materials, namazi jodi's, full namaaz kits, tasbeehs, and huge variety of syedna photos with framing service.

we proudly count the majority of zaadi's and zaadas as our regular clients. we also provide home delivery and tailoring and complete fitting services for std's, beards and even deeni underwear. we can either sell or rent against deposit. many abdes use our rental services at the time of nikaah, darees, mayyat, khatna etc to obtain the perfect looking beard, feta, kalgee, sehra etc.
our motto is 'satisfaction' at most reasonable rates.

You are the master of dodging simple questions. Question is simple, "do you keep a beard? "

[Al Zulfiqar]

You are the master of dodging simple questions. Question is simple, "do you keep a beard? "

and you are the master of hypocrisy. your question was simple and so was my answer. i told you my business is keeping and selling beards to abdes like yourself.

[voice]

Apart from fabrication of Nass, "Syedi Mufaddal Bhaisaheb made a mistake in considering Bohras mere baboons. But he made fool of himself by narrating a fake story that he can talk to the persons who are dead, buried under and gone.
In general Bohras had no problem in having their meals at home. But he started a catering service of serving paid-Tiffin at home, which was going to be failure was foregone conclusion.
Again since the Bohras are convert of Hindu Brahmins cleanliness is in their genes. Keeping their locality or mohalla clean was possible when all the Bohras of a place used to live in one area. But in most of the towns and villages that is not the case today. Therefore the “Cleaning Campaign” was just for publicity. He should have run a Campaign for providing clean water and better sanitation facilities to Bohra houses.
Bohra community is the only community where in general people do not indulge in drugs and drinking. As far “Anti-addiction program” is concern all the TV challenges every day are conducting such programs.
The fact is that today so much corruption in our administrations and Jamats that no scheme can become successful.
Still Allah had given one more chance to Dai-in-waiting. He went to Karachi. On his reaching there number of Bohras died and injured in two bomb blasts. It was his duty to stay there and help them by spending some amount of money from his purse and using his influence with the Pakistan government. But he immediately fled from there leaving behind Bohras in pain, agony and fear."
(excerpt taken from posting by S. Insaaf on another thread)

Then, he made another blunder mistake in Rampura by saying,

"Burhanuddin moula pase lakhon farishta che...tame aankh bandh kari ne yaad karso ne moula na naam ni tasbih karso toh moula ehma si ek farishta ne mokalse tamari madad vaste ...kehse ke jaon aa momin ni madad karo ne ae aavse ....ae farishta aavse ....josh ma farmayu"

At least Mazoon saheb is free from all these fabrications that`s why he is getting support from people who are not merely blind but use there mind.

[ghulam muhammed]

It is reported that majority of bohras residing at the northern end of Mumbai suburbs i.e. from Bhayander to Virar have joined the Mazun camp !!

[think]

That is good news. The west has also started questioning muffi, specially those who have been taken for a ride by muffi and his goons.

[HumzaAli]

It is reported that majority of bohras residing at the northern end of Mumbai suburbs i.e. from Bhayander to Virar have joined the Mazun camp !!

where is mazoon these days? Mumbai?

and when can we expect open declaration of this new sect?

[HumzaAli]

Mazon shud make a website and put all the evidence they have of successorship for open world.

[asad]

It is reported that majority of bohras residing at the northern end of Mumbai suburbs i.e. from Bhayander to Virar have joined the Mazun camp !!

Till he gets hold of Bohri Mohalla near Raudat Tahera he will not be taken seriously. but than also its a good news.

[HumzaAli]

It is reported that majority of bohras residing at the northern end of Mumbai suburbs i.e. from Bhayander to Virar have joined the Mazun camp !!

Till he gets hold of Bohri Mohalla near Raudat Tahera he will not be taken seriously. but than also its a good news.

kothar has already installed many goondas in bohri mohalla in order to keep monopoly atleast at rodat tahera.

[Humsafar]

One could say "ye to hona hi tha". With so much at stake there was bound to be a falling out in the "royal family" sooner or later. This whole controversy hinges on nuss business, whether it was done on Muffadal sahab or not. Despite the scrappy evidence that has been drummed up, Muffadal and his coterie also have the advantage of controlling the reins of power and have the propaganda machinery at their disposal. Bohras, abdes that they are, will tend to blindly follow him. So in balance, the Muffadal camp will be the winner in the end, with whatever scotch-taped nuss they have to support their claim.
But the Mazoon camp can't even tout such a flimsy evidence. They only have the old man's (Taher Saiffuddin) wish and an alleged letter to go by. This does not amount to even half-nuss. In fact he faces complete nuss-bandi. So if Mazoon saheb and followers break up, one wonders how would they justify and legitimise the breakup. They have no doctrinal legitimacy (whatever it's worth) and will only be seen by most Bohras as selfish and power-humgry. Citing old man's wish is not going to cut it, and is not a good enough reason to divide the community.

[Grayson]

On the contrary, reverence for Syedna Taher Saifuddin runs high. It helps that it's been propagated for years by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin himself to the point where he's the most celebrated Dai in our history. Questions concerning the legitimacy of Syedi Mufaddal bhaisaheb wouldn't suggest the Dai is against Syedna Taher Saifuddin's alleged desire to have had Mazoon saheb take over daawat so much as it would question if Mufaddal bhasaheb and his brothers are not being usurpers in turn.

While it's true the latter has an advantage of numbers, as there still seems to be a good deal of people wondering if nuss on Mufaddal bhaisaheb even took place, knowing that Syedna Taher Saifuddin did irrefutable nuss on Mazoon saheb would likely overcome doubt in regards to Mufaddal bhaisaheb. Thus, Mazoon would have a doctrinal legitimacy even greater than Mufaddal bhaisaheb, even if he has a less number of initial supporters.

Ofcourse, all this is contingent on Syedna Taher Saifuddin's intention being true and legitimate proof stating such being propagated widely. If it's a claim as intangible as Mufaddal bhaisaheb's, then yes, Mazoon saheb stands on flimsy(er) ground.