Why Cults Are Mindless

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Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by Conscíous » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:52 pm


Mindless obedience keeps religious cults together.
Published on August 6, 2012 by Nigel Barber, Ph.D. in The Human Beast


Whenever some cult clashes with the law, the public is fascinated, and horrified, by the capacity of leaders to control members. Perhaps the members surrender all of their property. Or they are sworn to celibacy so that the leader has sexual access to all of the women after the manner of the David Koresh cult destroyed in a Waco, Texas, fire (1). Or they drink poison on command as in the Jonesboro, Guyana, tragedy.

The secret recipe of all such cults may be in the members rather than the leaders. Social psychologists discovered that members get very attached to cults that ask a great deal of them.

When a lot is asked

Research on U.S. communes suggests that organizations need to be quite demanding to get their members committed enough to stay the distance. When sociologists Richard Sosis and Eric Bressler (2) studied 83 19th-Century communes in the U.S they found two intriguing patterns. The first was that more demanding communes lasted longer. Bigger sacrifices engendered greater emotional commitment to the group.

The communes could be extreme. Some required vegetarianism, or celibacy, or surrender of all worldly possessions to the collective. The more demanding a religious commune was, the greater the level of cooperation it elicited from members and the longer the community survived. Groups with fewer than two costly requirements lasted less than ten years, on average. Communes that had between 6 and 8 burdensome costs lasted for over 50 years and those with more than 11 were still in business after 60 years.

Costly commitment helped groups stick together only in religious communities which offers a fascinating glimpse into the socially cohesive function of supernatural beliefs.

Secular communities were particularly unstable, generally lasting less than ten years. Contrary to the pattern for religious communities, the more demanding secular communities folded more quickly. Indeed, the most demanding secular community closed its doors after only a year.

Why was there such a difference between religious and non religious communes? Evidently, sacrifices made for the community are interpreted differently for members of religious communes compared to secular ones.

Ratcheting up the costs of membership works well only for religious communities. A supernatural belief system can justify heavy membership costs in terms of a higher purpose. Without supernatural justification members might ask themselves why they are paying so much to be in the commune. Lacking a religious justification, they may conclude that they are being exploited, by the leadership. The logical solution is to leave.

When they are backed up by a religious belief system, communes can tolerate considerable inequality. This may be illustrated by differences in permissible sexual behavior.

Sexual inequality

A secular commune requiring celibacy from all male initiates would be destabilized by the free sexual expression of the leader.

Yet, that sort of inequality may work if members believe that the leader is a divine incarnation. Something close to this scenario played out in the David Koresh cult (the Branch Davidians), that was wiped out in a fire following a standoff with federal authorities near Waco, Texas, in 1993 (1). Evidently, Koresh had free sexual access to female members consistent with his divine status whereas other men were expected to be celibate (3).

So religious cults that survive for more than a few years are characterized by blind obedience. The really difficult question for relatives, clinical psychologists, and researchers is why inductees are so willing to surrender their autonomy in the first place.

Yet, cults are not unusual in this respect. Mindless obedience to authority figures is evident in many other settings. These include the army; Greek societies; sports organizations with their Byzantine rules; business corporations with their company men (and women); and the groupthink of political life. World religions can also be included, of course.

Mindless obedience is good for the cult but it is generally not good for the member. The same principle applies to entire countries. The less inequality there is, the better the quality of life experienced by everyone (4).

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Dangerous Cult Leaders

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Unread post by Conscíous » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:33 pm

Dangerous Traits of Cult Leaders
Published on August 25, 2012 by Joe Navarro, M.A. in Spycatcher


One of the questions that I am often asked by students of criminology and psychology is how do you know when a cult leader is “evil” or “bad”? These of course are vague descriptors to some extent but I get the question, “When is a cult leader pathological or, better said, a danger to others?” This is a valid question in view of the historical record of suffering and hurt caused by various cult leaders around the world.

I am sure others have addressed this issue before and I realize that it comes with its own minefield as many religions started out as cults - I am simply not going to enter that fray. But the question is valid from the point of view that there are people out there who are cult leaders and who do great harm to others emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, physically, or financially.

From my studies of cults and cult leaders during my time in the FBI, I learned early on that there are some things to look for that, at a minimum, say caution, this individual is dangerous, and in all likelihood will cause harm to others.

Having studied at length the life, teachings, and behaviors of Jim Jones (Jonestown Guyana), David Karesh (Branch Davidians), Stewart Traill (The Church of Bible Understanding), Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara (Aum Shinrikyo), Joseph Di Mambro (The Order of the Solar Temple aka Ordre du Temple Solaire), Marshall Heff Applewhit (Heaven’s Gate), Bhagwan Rajneesh (Rajneesh Movement), and Warren Jeffs (polygamist leader), what stands out about these individuals is that they were or are all pathologically narcissistic. They all have or had an over-abundant belief that they were special, that they and they alone had the answers to problems, and that they had to be revered. They demanded perfect loyalty from followers, they overvalued themselves and devalued those around them, they were intolerant of criticism, and above all they did not like being questioned or challenged. And yet, in spite of these less than charming traits, they had no trouble attracting those who were willing to overlook these features.

These personality traits stand out as the first warning to those who would associate with them, but there are many others. Here is a collection of traits that I have collected over the years about cult leaders that give us hints as to their psychopathology. This list is not all-inclusive nor is it the final word on the subject; it is merely my personal collection based on my studies and interviews that I conducted in my previous career.

If you know of a cult leader who has many of these traits there is a high probability that they are hurting those around them emotionally, psychologically, physically, spiritually, or financially. And of course this does not take into account the hurt that their loved ones will also experience.

Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Narcissists Among Us) you should watch for and which shout caution, get away, run, or avoid if possible:

1. He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.
3. Demands blind unquestioned obedience.
4. Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.
5. Has a sense of entitlement - expecting to be treated special at all times.
6. Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives putting others at financial risk.
7. Is arrogant and haughty in his behavior or attitude.
8. Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.
9. Takes sexual advantage of members of his sect or cult.
10. Sex is a requir requirement with adults and sub adults as part of a ritual or rite.
11. Is hypersensitive to how he is seen or perceived by others.
12. Publicly devalues others as being inferior, incapable, or not worthy.
13. Makes members confess their sins or faults publicly subjecting them to ridicule or humiliation while revealing exploitable weaknesses of the penitent.
14. Has ignored the needs of others, including: biological, physical, emotional, and financial needs.
15. Is frequently boastful of accomplishments.
16. Needs to be the center of attention and does things to distract others to insure that he or she is being noticed by arriving late, using exotic clothing, overdramatic speech, or by making theatrical entrances.
17. Has insisted in always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.
18. Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others, communication is usually one-way in the form of dictates.
19. Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.
20. Behaves as though people are objects to be used, manipulated or exploited for personal gain.
21. When criticized he tends to lash out not just with anger but with rage.
22. Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.”
23. Refers to non-members or non-believers in him as “the enemy.”
24. Acts imperious at times, not wishing to know what others think or desire.
25. Believes himself to be omnipotent.
26. Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.
27. Is superficially charming.
28. Habitually puts down others as inferior and only he is superior.
29. Has a certain coldness or aloofness about him that makes others worry about who this person really is and or whether they really know him.
30. Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.
31. Treats others with contempt and arrogance.
32. Is constantly assessing for those who are a threat or those who revere him.
33. The word “I” dominates his conversations. He is oblivious to how often he references himself.
34. Hates to be embarrassed or fail publicly - when he does he acts out with rage.
35. Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.
36. Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.
37. Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.
38. Rigid, unbending, or insensitive describes how this person thinks.
39. Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.
40. Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or outside world.
41. Monitors and or restricts contact with family or outsiders.
42. Works the least but demands the most.
43. Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”
44. Seems to be highly dependent of tribute and adoration and will often fish for compliments.
45. Uses enforcers or sycophants to insure compliance from members or believers.
46. Sees self as “unstoppable” perhaps has even said so.
47.Conceals background or family which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.
48. Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself – in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”
49. Has taken away the freedom to leave, to travel, to pursue life, and liberty of followers.
50. Has isolated the group physically (moved to a remote area) so as to not be observed.

When the question is asked, “When do we know when a cult leader is bad, or evil, or toxic?” this is the list that I use to survey the cult leader for dangerous traits. Of course the only way to know anything for sure is to observe and validate, but these characteristics can go a long way to help with that. And as I have said, there are other things to look for and there may be other lists, but this is the one that I found most useful from studying these groups and talking to former members of cults.

When a cult or organizational leader has a preponderance of these traits then we can anticipate that at some point those who associate with him will likely suffer physically, emotionally, psychologically, or financially. If these traits sound familiar to leaders, groups, sects, or organizations known to you then expect those who associate with them to live in despair and to suffer even if they don’t know it, yet.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:31 pm

This is a good checklist...I think if this is a definition of a cult. The characteristics that applies to Bohra leadership are

1. He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.
3. Demands blind unquestioned obedience.
4. Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.
5. Has a sense of entitlement - expecting to be treated special at all times.
6. Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives putting others at financial risk.
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8. Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.


15. Is frequently boastful of accomplishments.
17. Has insisted in always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.
18. Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others, communication is usually one-way in the form of dictates.
19. Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.


22. Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.”
23. Refers to non-members or non-believers in him as “the enemy.”

25. Believes himself to be omnipotent.
26. Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.

30. Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.
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35. Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.
36. Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.
37. Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.
38. Rigid, unbending, or insensitive describes how this person thinks.
39. Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.
40. Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or outside world.
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43. Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”

45. Uses enforcers or sycophants to insure compliance from members or believers.

47.Conceals background or family which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.
48. Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself – in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:57 pm

One definition of a cult is: “Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader”. To me, this aptly describes most God-men and their followers. There are numerous reasons why these cults form, some of the key ones are:

Because they can – These spiritual ‘Leaders’ get so much adulation and obeisance from their followers, that forming a cult, in their minds, is the logical conclusion.

The strong need to have someone to look up to – Human beings are hard wired to obey, take orders, and look up to a benevolent person. To some this Leader is God, to others it is a God-man. Independence, Objectivity, and Self Reliance are not instinctive to human beings, but looking up to someone comes naturally.

Belief in the “Godly” and “Magical” abilities of the Leader – This trust in the Leader varies from belief in their abilities around breathing techniques, to thinking that the Leader is a personification of God. No doubt, the followers of Puttaparthi Sai Baba are now waiting for him to re-incarnate, this ridiculousness stems from the fact that in their mind, Sai Baba was God himself or a messenger of God, with a direct phone line. Once someone believes in the Godliness of someone, they fail to see the most basic deception and tricks.

Obsession / Addiction – People become addicted to the cult lifestyle, and the leader becomes an all encompassing presence in their lives. People who belong to cults are similar to drug or alcohol addicts, they have a perverse need which blinds them from the ability to think clearly.

The cult model of spiritual movements in India has become so ubiquitous that it is all too easy to replicate. The prerequisites for becoming a religious cult leader include:
◾ Ability to spew nonsense at any given time, the ability to make up stuff as you go is very helpful.
◾One must adorn some fancy attire, and refuse to conform to normal standards of hygiene.
◾Tweak some preexisting breathing or yoga technique, give it a fancy name, and boom, you have a product to sell.
◾The ability to state the obvious like it’s a revelation.
◾Claim to know the answer to everything, but refuse to articulate when asked. Just obfuscate, blabber, and generally try not to make sense. Yes, these guys have all the answers, just ask them.
◾The ability to perform the most elementary of magic tricks.

As the God-men and their inner circles laugh all the way to the bank, with the money they swindle from people, what can we do, to address these travesties? The best defense against these tricksters and fraudsters, is basic common sense. Their enemies are Reason, Logic, Evidence, and most of all Free Inquiry. God-men probably fear a free-thinker the most. In a free society, free associations of people won’t and must not be stopped. Stupidity and Nuttiness can not be banned or made illegal, but people can and must think for themselves. Trust, but verify.

http://politicsmonitor.com/?p=358

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by Liberalguy » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:22 pm

Why such informative and intellectual posts hardly get replies whereas all mindless chatter goes on on stupid posts

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:48 pm

Hey guys which ever side SMS or SKQ side you are following just read this and understand this and you should be very clear in your mind. After this knowledge if you are still a blind follower than the one is clearly showing the character that he/she is just looking for someone to rely on for the sentimental convenience and for which such many today even the few of us are paying the heavy price.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:38 pm

As the God-men and their inner circles laugh all the way to the bank, with the money they swindle from people, what can we do, to address these travesties? The best defense against these tricksters and fraudsters, is basic common sense. Their enemies are Reason, Logic, Evidence, and most of all Free Inquiry. God-men probably fear a free-thinker the most. In a free society, free associations of people won’t and must not be stopped. Stupidity and Nuttiness can not be banned or made illegal, but people can and must think for themselves. Trust, but verify.
Anyone who is looking for support for his or her stupidity, please contact fayyaaz. He will fight for the right of people to continue to be stupid.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:14 pm

Anjami

I did not get the fayaaz that you mentioned but in the days of pheron the name was referred as Moosa

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:20 pm

Whaaaaaaaat!!!!!???

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:36 pm

In the days of pheron if someone tried to show them of their wrong belief and preach against idol worship n believe in one God, people referred him as mad man. The person named here according to the Christian n Islamic scriptures his name was Moses or Moosa

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:55 pm

Those were the days of pheron. Today if someone calls you a mad man and if you assume that your name is Moosa then you probably are a mad man.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:43 am

these people call every body mad.
nothing strange in it though.
they follow umaayads islam.
and he has openly declared there is no nabi and wahi, but an imagination of a mad man.
they wont accept it in zahir though.
some zahir-batin logic eh?
mr taizun pls help.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:37 am

Anjami

Those were the days of pheron n these are the days of SMS/SKQ. There were blind followers than who in spite of prophetic revelation did not realize their blindness and there are blind followers today who in spite of progressive revelation can not realize their blindness.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by alam » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:12 pm

The phenomenon of "Awe" has relevance to this thread, so instead of starting a new thread, I bring the discussion here for whomsever it fascinates. We Bohras have a tradition over the last 100 years of being "Awe-struck" with the
1. Person of the Dai or Dai's Family
2. Person Representing the Dai or Dai's Family
3. Persons representating Institution of Royalty
4. Events and Sermons, bayans and chanting that put people in a hypnotic trance of being in Awe with the Preacher and the Preachings

Here is an article from Huffington Post to get started:

"
AWE Boosts Belief in the Supernatural, Study saysBeing in awe makes us more likely to believe in a higher being, a new study suggests.

Researchers from the University of Southern California and Claremont McKenna College found that awe-inspiring moments seemed to boost belief in God and the supernatural. In addition, experiencing awe increased the feelings of discomfort from uncertainty -- which researchers said might explain the increased belief in the supernatural from experiencing awe.

"Many historical accounts of religious epiphanies and revelations seem to involve the experience of being awe-struck by the beauty, strength or size of a divine being, and these experiences change the way people understand and think about the world," study researcher Piercarlo Valdesolo, a psychological scientist at Claremont McKenna College, said in a statement.

The findings, published in the journal Psychological Science, involved five experiments. In one of the experiments, study participants were assigned to either watch scenes from BBC's Planet Earth, which were meant to inspire awe, or clips from a non-awe-inspiring news interview. Then, the participants were asked about the levels of awe they felt after watching the videos, as well as how much they felt that some higher being/non-human being had a role in the unfolding of life's events.

The ones who watched Planet Earth reported feeling more awe and were more likely to believe in a higher being, compared with those who watched the news clips.

In another experiment, researchers found that awe-inspiring clips seemed to promote feelings of intolerance of uncertainty. "The irony in this is that gazing upon things that we know to be formed by natural causes, such as the jaw-dropping expanse of the Grand Canyon, pushes us to explain them as the product of supernatural causes," Valdesolo said in the statement.

In addition to promoting belief in the supernatural, research has shown that awe can boost feelings of life satisfaction. That research, published last year in the same journal, also suggested that time seems to slow down when we are in awe. "

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by khokawala » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:42 pm

Also cults like one headed by muffy or khozzy have things like mola,punk nu pani,qadambosi, sajdo,

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:17 am

We as Muslims are warned not to worship the Prophet as he is just a messenger. Only Allah is worshipful.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by alam » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:50 pm

seeker110 wrote:We as Muslims are warned not to worship the Prophet as he is just a messenger. Only Allah is worshipful.
So what happens when we worship Allah. What is worship to begin with? Is it a recognition of a power superior to ourselves as human, and with that recognitioni, comes a sort of a reverence or recognition of our own limitation as homo sapiens?

What is worship? I'm asking from an epistemological standpoint.

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:36 am

Roughly translated, worship is ibadah. Ibadah, Mabood, Abd they all come from the same root word. Abd is one who serves, the slave, the servant. Mabood is the one who is the master. Ibadah is the act of serving. This is worship. You obey the one that you serve, you revere the one that you serve and strive to follow every one of his commandments to the best of your abilities. You bow down before the one you serve. You are conscious about the one you serve at all times, ensuring that you do not do that which will anger or disappoint the one you serve.

This is how the bohras treat their Dais. Hence the bohras, worship their Dais. The bohras no longer strive to serve Allah. They strive only to serve the Dai. They have taken the qualities of Allah and given them to the Dai. The dead Dai has become Al-Hayy!!

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:57 am

anajmi wrote:The dead Dai has become Al-Hayy!!
One of the glorious names of Allah attributed to a human. Nauzobillah. Remember "To Allah belong the most beautiful names"

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:13 am

DisillusionedDB wrote:
anajmi wrote:The dead Dai has become Al-Hayy!!
One of the glorious names of Allah attributed to a human. Nauzobillah. Remember "To Allah belong the most beautiful names"
Al asma wal husna...to Him belongs the most beautiful names

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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:51 am

[quote="anajmi"]Roughly translated, worship is ibadah. Ibadah, Mabood, Abd they all come from the same root word. Abd is one who serves, the slave, the servant. Mabood is the one who is the master. Ibadah is the act of serving. This is worship. You obey the one that you serve, you revere the one that you serve and strive to follow every one of his commandments to the best of your abilities. You bow down before the one you serve. You are conscious about the one you serve at all times, ensuring that you do not do that which will anger or disappoint the one you serve.

in older times when slavery was there,
slave used to serve his master and master used to call him abd.
so worshipping that master is allowed or lawful?
in present day IS also beleives in enslaving non muslim and sex with non muslim females and captives.
so they are thier masters whom they are made to serve--so worshipping them is also allowed right?


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Re: Why Cults Are Mindless

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Unread post by alam » Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:22 am

This is horrific blatant terror on women by the iSIS group.