How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:39 am

Humsafar has summarized the efforts to slow down kothar’s juggernaut very aptly.

Money is the fuel to their power and greed, stop feeding these monsters and bring them down from their arrogance.

MSB is big business venture now in Kuwwait Jamaat, they are creating a school out of public money and in the end kothar will take the credit, moreover bohra kids are heavily charged on fees because limited customers (only bohra kids can be admitted).

Many sheikhs and mullahs approached my family to collect donations, hwever I shared the reality of this scheme to my family and better sense prevailed, mullahs and sheikhs were shown the door.

No gold was given, no najwa, no ikram, no salaam to amil. Sabeel and wajebaat are paid on my terms with amount that I decide.

These mullah and sheikhs were given taste of their own medicine or shall I say “Jazz”. When they tried to extort money out of us by emotional Jazz of maula and his ehsaan karam, we too gave them back saying “Maula maate Jaan haazir che ! Maal nahi !!” “aap humara Jaan lai lo ! Maal nahi male”

Ha ha ha ha !! I m surely gonna get a dark RED on my safaai chitti (warkatul tarkhees)

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:49 pm

askz wrote: the janab abdeali bhaisaheb of pune is the don of pune as he is the only aamil perhaps residing in pune since last 15 years on the same position because he is the bro of dr. moizbhaisaheb(52nd's son in law)showing his influence.
the chief or head amil of pune - abdeali - is a known goonda and one of the worst amils in the bohra world. his father hatimbhaisheb, was previously the amil of pune since early 60's. i dont remember for sure, but i believe he passed away sometime in the late 70's. abdeali succeeded his father, so he has been around for almost 35+ years. he presides over 20 amils of markaz's/masjids spread all over pune and a total bohra community of almost 25,000 bohras.

abdeali dabbles in real estate, precious stones, luxury cars and antiques. many of his deals are done with the underworld with whom he has strong connections. he is a shrewd networker, keeping close links with police, mp's, corporators, politicians etc. he openly challenges anyone that try and remove me if you can and also claims that not a 'single parinda can fly in pune without his knowledge'. why would the higher powers remove him when he delivers more than they expect from him?

although I have left pune decades ago, i still maintain close contacts with a vast circle of bohras there; family, friends, childhood buddies etc, many of whom have become sheikhs with their new found wealth and some of them are even on jamaat committees. they share 'inside stories' with me and all admit that abdeali is a very shrewd and wily operator who knows how to use people and even when to discard them. he has an elephantine memory and can remember exactly who or what each puneite bohra is doing and what is their status. i have been told that whenever kothar requires funds in a hurry, abdeali is one of the few amils who can deliver and more. he is ruthless at arm twisting, bullying and blackmail and has every rich bohra by his marbles, knowing their individual weaknesses. if he was a politician, he would be in the top echelons in delhi, such is his prowess and proficiency.

i believe there are a few amils in the same infamous league - chennai, surat, mombasa, sharjah and maybe some more i am not aware of.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:52 pm

humanbeing wrote:MSB is big business venture now in Kuwwait Jamaat, they are creating a school out of public money and in the end kothar will take the credit, moreover bohra kids are heavily charged on fees because limited customers (only bohra kids can be admitted).
I thought the creation of that school was ceased? If not, isn't it still illegal (as mentioned previously) and if so, how did they weasel their way into getting this passed?
humanbeing wrote:Ha ha ha ha !! I m surely gonna get a dark RED on my safaai chitti (warkatul tarkhees)
Ironic considering we associate Red with Imam Hussain. Perhaps you won't get one at all. :wink:

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:24 pm

Red with Imam Hussain and Green with the Dai. :wink:

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:38 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:why would the higher powers remove him when he delivers more than they expect from him?
This is the reason that the Dai's last visit to Pune was extended for almost a month. Abdeali was given a target of collecting Rs.500 crores but insiders say that he exceeded the target by leaps and bounds, the daily multiple ziafats, scores of hadiyats, mafsusiyats and nikahs plus the daily qadambosi of almost 2000 bohras with the entry ticket prized at Rs.5,052/- !!!

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:36 pm

Fatima nagar is locality with sizeable number of bohras and more coming in from waagar region of rajasthan. It heavily needs a markaz or masjid. But decades have passed and nothing has happened. People of Fatima nagar run here and there for plot of land for Ramadan event.

Husaini Baag at camp also charges heavily for personal functions, after paying hefty sabeel, bohrass have to shell out even more on personal occasions.


Hey good point about RED on safaai chitti, (association with imam Hussein) I can proudly carry one now !! and answer back to ponga sheikhs when they refuse me a service !!

I m going to have a rough ride this year’s Ramadan wajebaat, my balance sheet looks pretty empty !!! ha ha ha .. but I look forward to the confrontation !

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:47 pm

Grayson wrote: I thought the creation of that school was ceased? If not, isn't it still illegal (as mentioned previously) and if so, how did they weasel their way into getting this passed?
Unauthorized MSB in the basement of central markaz was closed down, after that, regional markaz mostly khaitan & salmiya became MSB to carry out the academics. I really wonder how they manage to carry on operations. I feel sad for those kids who are trusting this thugs, giving away their most precious learning years.
Collection for MSB in Mahboula is sstill going on, they have various schemes to collect funds, big fat donation unit of KD 2700 or daily contribution of 250 fils from every willing abde. Major collection will happen in Ramadan when they have captive audience and captive bakras at time of wajebaat.

MSB will be setup under Indian Education board and will be registered as Indian school, however they may only admit bohra students ( its commercially non viable idea). This would result in heavy fees and inflated cost of operations. But why would kothar worry, cost concern is never their problem !

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:01 pm

anajmi wrote:Red with Imam Hussain and Green with the Dai. :wink:
Nah, apparently Green's with Imam Hasan. According to a rivaayat of ours. I'll let you pick out the Dai's color.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:04 pm

Brother HB,

Please continue updating us on the developments of this situation. It's most illuminating.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:18 pm

Looks like you missed the "Green" joke!!

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:30 pm

anajmi wrote:Looks like you missed the "Green" joke!!
No, I got it. Just saying to use a different color. I'm sure you could think of one.
(Back on topic.....)

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:04 pm

Now I am absolutely sure you missed the joke. Let me explain. Green is normally associated with moolah. Using some other color wouldn't make the joke. Now do you get it? Man, you ruined my joke!!

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:23 pm

anajmi wrote:Now I am absolutely sure you missed the joke. Let me explain. Green is normally associated with moolah. Using some other color wouldn't make the joke. Now do you get it? Man, you ruined my joke!!
Took a different joke. Thought you associated green with illness. Although it could be argued moolah-hoarding is also one. Sorry about that.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:32 pm

Took a different joke. Thought you associated green with illness.
And your suggestion about using a different color? How would that still make this illness joke that you thought about?

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:39 pm

It wouldn't. In that rivayat red is for Imam Husain, green Imam Hasan. The suggestion to use a different color is humorless. I'm rather fond of green; and considering the aforementioned comment, it's association with Imam Hasan.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:43 pm

Then again Red and Green are also associated with the Mario Bros. so I suggest we move on from matters so trivial (and our ridiculousness in arguing over it).

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:55 am

Then again Red and Green are also associated with the Mario Bros.
Correct, but there is something called "context", a concept that you still do not have a grasp on.

So, my point was simple. Do not make comments on posts of which you do not understand the context (and you do not understand the context of most of them). That way, we can all move on without these senseless diversions.

To say that red is for hussain and green is for Hassan, no matter what the context is, is being childish and foolish. If that were the case I would never be able to buy red or green underwear (not that I have red or green underwear :wink: ), cause if I were you, I would start maataming every time I put them on!!

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:51 am

A lesson on context is rather rich coming for you considering a prior conversation rested on you intentionally ignoring it. Then again, it all depends on whether or not it supports your view :wink: .

"no matter what the context is", lol really? Cool.

When I initially said the following it wasn't addressed to you as shocking as it may seem. Your grasp on my subsequent words is flattering; particularly the need to analyze the syntax and choice of diction in order to construct a rebuttal that's only selectively accurate and to take is so true to assumption. I'd do the same to explain myself except it's getting ridiculous. (The offer still stands privately if you're that ocd over it.)

Not engaging in further insults; provoke all you want. My response to you ends here. (Go on, have the last word. Make it clever.) Peace.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:13 am

When I initially said the following it wasn't addressed to you as shocking as it may seem.
Not shocking at all. People try to side step all the time when pushed into a corner. This is an open forum. An address to one is an address to all whether you like it or not.

I am sorry, but if I have taken your words out of context it's because most of the times I have no clue what it is that you are saying. You need to probably come down on the ground level while talking to us. Mario bros, I understand, shakespear pretense, I do not.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:29 pm

Grayson wrote:
Your grasp on my subsequent words is flattering; particularly the need to analyze the syntax and choice of diction in order to construct a rebuttal that's only selectively accurate and to take is so true to assumption.
if ever there was a desperate need to take a headache pill, now is one.. !!

pata nahi kahan kahan se aa jatey hai ghadhe ke sardaar aur sheikh chilli yahan...

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:41 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

if ever there was a desperate need to take a headache pill, now is one.. !!

pata nahi kahan kahan se aa jatey hai ghadhe ke sardaar aur sheikh chilli yahan...
Get over it.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:54 pm

i understand that you make a very good bheja fry? perhaps you should set up a stall near gateway of india.. then no terrorists will ever dare to invade us again!

or better still, if you can infiltrate saifee mahal to debate mansoos, kothar's juggernaut will be stopped single-handedly! mansoos will collapse with stress and hypertension when faced with your barrage of verbal artillery and surrender meekly. then both you and bohra spring can install your own dai and rule happily ever after.
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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:56 pm

Ummm... sure. I guess you're right. Can you stop getting so personal now? Thanks.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:07 pm

Grayson wrote:Ummm... sure. I guess you're right. Can you stop getting so personal now? Thanks.
no need to be so modest. it will be a personal triumph for you defeating the evil kothar single-handedly and for once, in you, we will have a dai who can spout journalese and plato rolled into one. what a delightful and delicious bheja fry that will be! as the new dai, we will have an entire 8 lakh bohra community whose ribs will be fractured from mirth.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Grayson » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:08 pm

Flame flame go away, burn again another day.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by reluctantreligist » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:48 am

Another monumental monument of deceit"saifee hospital"
How such a huge hue and cry was made during building of this hospital,how they got contributions from every bohri through their idle and dubious talk.The result a fantastic running business enterprise.conveniently all the contributions of all the bohris forgotten.there is is no special provision for any bohri at all.the land on which it is built itself is grabbed. How can we expect wisdom and goodness from a leader who is a perpetual fraud.
How we bohris have such a short memory that we dont question anything.

I know this is a kind of whining board only,but what i like is at least we can share our frustration with other likeminded people.It gives me great relief to share my thoughts.
However wishing for a miracle where some stalwart is able to pull of a major sting operation on the complete kothar with the dai involved,someone who could produce irrefutable evidence in the court of law.and corner ,punish all these fake godmen.
Perhaps when this miracle happens my faith in god will be reinstated.till then will remain a reluctant religist almost bordering on being atheist.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by genesis » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:18 am

Reluctantbohrist ;-
"However wishing for a miracle where some stalwart is able to pull of a major sting operation on the complete kothar with the dai involved,someone who could produce irrefutable evidence in the court of law.and corner ,punish all these fake godmen".


Speak to Tarun Tejpal and his nosey-men. He will skillfully infiltrate his gang in the 3-piece kurta saaya hijaar and give you enough material to pull down hijaars.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by think » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:10 am

Yes, for sure Tarun Teijpal is the person to expose these hoodlums.

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Re: How can we stop Kothar’s juggernaut?

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:15 pm

Another source for exposing the Money laundering and other human rights issues of the Kothar is the Sabrang.com, you type Syedna in the research column and get a lot of his misddeeds chronicled there, for example here is one:

http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/mar00/spreport.htm